Re: [Flightgear-devel] fg_sqawk Version 0.2beta
Holger Wirtz wrote: big snip My current VoIP-Implementation (=Asterisk) hast all north american radio frequencies as a conference room so there _are_ may ATIS frequencies and not just 118.85 :-) 118.85 is the frequency by default if I press the change button on COM1... so if I find a way to supress ATIS in FG I can play my own ATIS when conecting to 118.85. Certainly we need a better ATIS function, but moving to /no/ ATIS function would be a step in the wrong direction. No, I think you have misunderstand (perhaps my english is not good enough - sorry). ATIS in FG is ok - but not in multiplayer mode with realtime radio. It's no problem to allow ATIS to be turned off. I haven't had a working self-compiled build since the OSG switch so can't look at the moment, but does fgfs --disable-atc exist, and if so does it disable the ATIS? If not, it could be made to, or an extra --disable-atis option could be added. What I originally assumed, was that when a real-time voice server became available, only some channels would be manned be real people (due to logistics) and that the server would communicate in some manner to each FG instance that connected to it which stations would be handled by the server and which would be handled by FG. Does that still sound reasonable, or am I misunderstanding what you've done? Cheers - Dave - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fg_sqawk Version 0.2beta
Jon, first of all: thanks for testing! There were some problems with the conference system and I fixed them yesterday (thanks Martin!). On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 10:22:56PM +, Jon Stockill wrote: [...] I've just been trying to get this running, but have run into a few problems. iaxcli seems to be linked against a shared libgsm, I've tracked down libgsm and the currently distributed source only builds static libraries, not shared. Do you have a definitive list of the dependencies? It looks like an extremely useful piece of software, and I'd love to help test it. I am not sure if I made a static or a dynamic binary of iaxcli... I will fix this soon. Until the fix is on the web you can try to compile iaxcli by yourself. It should be easy if you have libiaxclient, libspeex and libgsm installed. On Debian you only need to do $ apt-get install perl libexpect-perl libcompress-zlib-perl libiaxclient-dev libspeex-dev libgsm1-dev flightgear (Perhaps you have already some of the packages... feel free to install what you like :-) ) Or go to the folowings sites to get the sources for the library: - http://ftp.digium.com/pub/libiax/ - http://www.speex.org/downloads/ - libgsm... hm, sorry I cannot find any sites for this lib :-( Regards, Holger -- # ## ## Holger Wirtz Phone : (+49 30) 884299-40 ## ## ## ### ## DFN-Verein Fax : (+49 30) 884299-70 ## ## ## Stresemannstr. 78E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## ## ## ## ### 10963 Berlin # ## ## ## GERMANY WWW : http://www.dfn.de GPG-Fingerprint: ABFA 1F51 DD8D 503C 85DC 0C51 E961 79E2 6685 9BCF - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fg_sqawk Version 0.2beta
Holger Wirtz wrote: Hi all, I am (___very___) proud to present fg_sqawk-0.2beta. This is a simple prototype package for realtime voice communication for FlightGear based on VoIP (Asterisk and IAX2). You only need to make slightly changes to Flightgear. See the INSTALL file inside the distribution. I hope the package will not make much problems. NOTE: This is a prototype... not everything might be work as it should be. Give it a try and I will see what I can do for the next releases. If you have questions or want to help fix problems with this package please don't hesitate to contact me! http://squonk.abacab.org/dokuwiki/fg_sqawk There is still much to do: - eleminating the conference-call messages - the PTT-Key y is transmitted via the external protocol only every second, which is much to long for realtime conversation - Equalizer, that makes real radio sound (perhabs some noise in background :-) ) - ATC radio (with simple radar screen) - ... I've just been trying to get this running, but have run into a few problems. iaxcli seems to be linked against a shared libgsm, I've tracked down libgsm and the currently distributed source only builds static libraries, not shared. Do you have a definitive list of the dependencies? It looks like an extremely useful piece of software, and I'd love to help test it. Jon - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fg_sqawk Version 0.2beta
Holger, continuing my give-back to community, if you need a svn repo or mirror to the packages, feel free to contact-me. Cheers! Douglas Campos - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fg_sqawk Version 0.2beta
On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 08:46 +0100, Holger Wirtz wrote: P.S.: Does anyone know how to tell FG that I do not want ATIS on 118.85 at KSFO? Edit/remove line number 218101 in Airport/apt.dat. Also see KAMA Rick Husband Amarillo Intl on line 208997. That airport uses 118.85 for ATIS. According to AIRNAV these two airports do use 118.85 for ATIS: http://www.airnav.com/airport/KSFO http://www.airnav.com/airport/KAMA Also printed on the charts at http://skyvector.com/ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fg_sqawk Version 0.2beta
* Holger Wirtz -- Thursday 15 February 2007: FG seems to have a built-in ATIS for KSFO 118.85 That's only the standby frequency -- it's not active by default. --prop:/instrumentation/comm/frequencies/selected-mhz=123.456 --prop:/instrumentation/comm/frequencies/standby-mhz=111.111 m. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fg_sqawk Version 0.2beta
On 02/15/2007 09:25 AM, Holger Wirtz wrote: FG seems to have a built-in ATIS for KSFO 118.85 which overlaps with the realtime voice communication. My question was actually how to tell FG not to use its internaly ATIS. A better solution would be to use 122.75 for air-to-air communications, which is FCC-approved for that purpose ... rather than abusing 118.85. Reference: http://www.qsl.net/n4jri/genavn.htm - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fg_sqawk Version 0.2beta
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 09:40:11AM -0500, John Denker wrote: On 02/15/2007 09:25 AM, Holger Wirtz wrote: FG seems to have a built-in ATIS for KSFO 118.85 which overlaps with the realtime voice communication. My question was actually how to tell FG not to use its internaly ATIS. A better solution would be to use 122.75 for air-to-air communications, which is FCC-approved for that purpose ... rather than abusing 118.85. Hmmm... you misunderstand my approach for voice communication: There is a voice-server in thebackground which has for every frequency a conference room (as a simulation of radio frequencies). Ok, I have a air2air communication at 123.45 which can be easily replaced or supplemented with 122.75 - but this is also only a VoIP conference room :-) Regards, Holger Reference: http://www.qsl.net/n4jri/genavn.htm - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- # ## ## Holger Wirtz Phone : (+49 30) 884299-40 ## ## ## ### ## DFN-Verein Fax : (+49 30) 884299-70 ## ## ## Stresemannstr. 78E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## ## ## ## ### 10963 Berlin # ## ## ## GERMANY WWW : http://www.dfn.de GPG-Fingerprint: ABFA 1F51 DD8D 503C 85DC 0C51 E961 79E2 6685 9BCF - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fg_sqawk Version 0.2beta
John, On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 01:12:41PM -0500, John Denker wrote: On 02/15/2007 09:56 AM, Holger Wirtz wrote: My question was actually how to tell FG not to use its internaly ATIS. Hmmm... you misunderstand my approach for voice communication: There is a voice-server in thebackground which has for every frequency a conference room (as a simulation of radio frequencies). Ok, I have a air2air communication at 123.45 which can be easily replaced or supplemented with 122.75 - but this is also only a VoIP conference room :-) There is still something confusing about this. Please consider the following comparisons: FACT ANALOGY Radio is a broadcast medium. Any broadcast is in some ways a type of conference. Radio has a limited propagationA conference room has a limited range. size. KSFO ATIS broadcasts on 118.85 Imagine a onference room with a (and several other frequencies). boombox constantly playing in the room. No aircraft should be transmitting There should never be any VOIP on 118.85. traffic generated by ATIS. Yes right. Except as noted below, I cannot think of any reason why it would be necessary or in any way desirable to defeat the ATIS function. If there is a reason, please explain. The reason is that I would like to play ATIS trough the realtime-radio and not from FG. As I know the current multiplayer mode of FG is only a position repeater/broadcaster. But what with the other realistic things as weather and the time? I think it would be nice if someone can set the waether of the multiplayer-session and the time. Then he has also to generate the ATIS. And then it is a problem with the hard-coded ATIS from FG... Ok I am some steps in the future - sorry. The only reason to defeat the /internal/ ATIS function would be to replace it with a better ATIS function ... in which case you would need to deal with many, many ATIS frequencies, not just 118.85. My current VoIP-Implementation (=Asterisk) hast all north american radio frequencies as a conference room so there _are_ may ATIS frequencies and not just 118.85 :-) 118.85 is the frequency by default if I press the change button on COM1... so if I find a way to supress ATIS in FG I can play my own ATIS when conecting to 118.85. Certainly we need a better ATIS function, but moving to /no/ ATIS function would be a step in the wrong direction. No, I think you have misunderstand (perhaps my english is not good enough - sorry). ATIS in FG is ok - but not in multiplayer mode with realtime radio. Regards, Holger -- # ## ## Holger Wirtz Phone : (+49 30) 884299-40 ## ## ## ### ## DFN-Verein Fax : (+49 30) 884299-70 ## ## ## Stresemannstr. 78E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## ## ## ## ### 10963 Berlin # ## ## ## GERMANY WWW : http://www.dfn.de GPG-Fingerprint: ABFA 1F51 DD8D 503C 85DC 0C51 E961 79E2 6685 9BCF - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fg_sqawk Version 0.2beta
Douglas, On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 10:08:43AM -0200, Douglas Campos wrote: Holger, continuing my give-back to community, if you need a svn repo or mirror to the packages, feel free to contact-me. Thanks! We will see what are the responses for this project. If the work should be go on I will contact you! Regards, Holger -- # ## ## Holger Wirtz Phone : (+49 30) 884299-40 ## ## ## ### ## DFN-Verein Fax : (+49 30) 884299-70 ## ## ## Stresemannstr. 78E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## ## ## ## ### 10963 Berlin # ## ## ## GERMANY WWW : http://www.dfn.de GPG-Fingerprint: ABFA 1F51 DD8D 503C 85DC 0C51 E961 79E2 6685 9BCF - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
