Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
Stefan Seifert writes Attached is a patch for adding nosewheel steering, nosewheel compression and engine fan spin animations. It works, but I'm not sure if it's correct. For steering I only needed to rotate the nouterstrut object. In fact doing anything with the other objects does just nothing. I noticed that, when trying to make the tires spinning, too. Seems like everything is linked with this object, but I couldn't find something in the .ac file. Ok give me a few days I will have a look at it every thing has to be in order or the animations dont work. Cheers Innis --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
Innis Cunningham wrote: Hello Stefan That is correct those two animations are missing and if you would like to do them again that would be great. Here are the objects that now make up the nose gear. ... So rotating everything from collar down should do the steering. And compressing everthing from nlowerstrut down should do the compression. Did the wheels rotate as in aircraft rolling along the ground then no. Did they rotate as in nosewheel steering then yes I think so. Attached is a patch for adding nosewheel steering, nosewheel compression and engine fan spin animations. It works, but I'm not sure if it's correct. For steering I only needed to rotate the nouterstrut object. In fact doing anything with the other objects does just nothing. I noticed that, when trying to make the tires spinning, too. Seems like everything is linked with this object, but I couldn't find something in the .ac file. Nine Index: 737-300.xml === RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/737-300/Models/737-300.xml,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -3 -p -r1.1 737-300.xml --- 737-300.xml 16 Feb 2006 11:00:22 - 1.1 +++ 737-300.xml 15 Mar 2006 20:48:43 - @@ -62,6 +62,44 @@ /axis /animation + animation + typerotate/type + object-namenouterstrut/object-name + property/surface-positions/rudder-pos-norm/property + factor-40/factor + center + x-m-4.65/x-m + y-m0/y-m + z-m-1.02/z-m + /center + axis + x0/x + y0/y + z1/z + /axis + /animation + + animation + typetranslate/type + object-namenouterstrut/object-name + object-namerhsteercyl/object-name + object-namelhsteercyl/object-name + object-namecollar/object-name + object-namenlinkupper/object-name + object-namenlinklower/object-name + object-namenlowerstrut/object-name + object-namenoseaxle/object-name + object-nametyrern/object-name + object-nametyreln/object-name + property/gear/gear/compression-norm/property + factor0.3/factor + axis + x0/x + y0/y + z1/z + /axis + /animation + animation @@ -1519,6 +1557,41 @@ /axis /animation + animation + typespin/type + object-namefan/object-name + propertyengines/engine/n1/property + factor10/factor + center + x-m-3.31055/x-m + y-m-4.7713/y-m + z-m-1.28753/z-m + /center + axis + x1/x + y0/y + z0/z + /axis + /animation + + animation + typespin/type + object-namerhfan/object-name + propertyengines/engine[1]/n1/property + factor10/factor + center + x-m-3.31055/x-m + y-m4.7713/y-m + z-m-1.28753/z-m + /center + axis + x1/x + y0/y + z0/z + /axis + /animation + + /PropertyList
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
On Tuesday 14 March 2006 02:05, Innis Cunningham wrote: The 737-300 is the current model that should be in the basic package the old model should be totally removed or just in the FG hangar. I have a partly built cockpit shell that I am working on so if you want I can send it to you and maybe we can workout who is going to do which instruments Cheers Innis I was just going to do those 3 panels that Markus requested which are all on the forward overhead panel if I'm not mistaken. Having a 3D model to place them in and hook up the hotspots would help a lot. Maybe I'll get hooked and do the entire overhead panel. :) Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
Innis Cunningham wrote: I'd like to ask: is there some development version of the 737 available? I'm tempted to fix some animations that were in the old model, but if I had to guess, I'd say they are already done and I'd hate to waste the effort. As the 737 model has recently been replaced which version are you talking about if it is the one currently in the package, 737-300, then I guess the development package is what you see.What exact animation/animations do you think need fixing. The 737-300 is missing the nose gear animations: turning and compression. Looked at it yesterday, but it's not as easy as it was with the old model because the nosewheel seems not to be a named object anymore. Have to find out how I can give it a name. Did the wheels turn in the old model? Can't remember anymore, but they surely don't do it in the 737-300. Nine --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
Hello Stefan Stefan Seifert writes The 737-300 is missing the nose gear animations: turning and compression. Looked at it yesterday, but it's not as easy as it was with the old model because the nosewheel seems not to be a named object anymore. Have to find out how I can give it a name. Did the wheels turn in the old model? Can't remember anymore, but they surely don't do it in the 737-300. That is correct those two animations are missing and if you would like to do them again that would be great. Here are the objects that now make up the nose gear. object-namenouterstrut/object-name object-namerhsteercyl/object-name object-namelhsteercyl/object-name object-namecollar/object-name object-namenlinkupper/object-name object-namenlinklower/object-name object-namenlowerstrut/object-name object-namenoseaxle/object-name object-nametyrern/object-name object-nametyreln/object-name So rotating everything from collar down should do the steering. And compressing everthing from nlowerstrut down should do the compression. Did the wheels rotate as in aircraft rolling along the ground then no. Did they rotate as in nosewheel steering then yes I think so. Cheers Innis --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
Innis Cunningham wrote: Stefan Seifert writes The 737-300 is missing the nose gear animations: turning and compression. Looked at it yesterday, but it's not as easy as it was with the old model because the nosewheel seems not to be a named object anymore. Have to find out how I can give it a name. Did the wheels turn in the old model? Can't remember anymore, but they surely don't do it in the 737-300. That is correct those two animations are missing and if you would like to do them again that would be great. Here are the objects that now make up the nose gear. object-namenouterstrut/object-name object-namerhsteercyl/object-name object-namelhsteercyl/object-name object-namecollar/object-name object-namenlinkupper/object-name object-namenlinklower/object-name object-namenlowerstrut/object-name object-namenoseaxle/object-name object-nametyrern/object-name object-nametyreln/object-name So rotating everything from collar down should do the steering. And compressing everthing from nlowerstrut down should do the compression. Did the wheels rotate as in aircraft rolling along the ground then no. Did they rotate as in nosewheel steering then yes I think so. Thanks for the help :) I'll give it a try in the evening. And btw. the flap- and spoiler animations on the 737-300 are just great. She's a real beauty :) Nine --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
On Thursday 09 March 2006 04:37, Markus Barenhoff wrote: generator bus panel (most important): http://www.b737.org.uk/genbuspanel.jpg for those of you how are interested, i've attached the current work in progress to this mail. it includes 2 files: electrical.nas : contains the used classes (should become a general purpose elect. framework) 737-electrical.nas : contains the 737 specific stuff. Markus, I twiddled my thumbs for the past two days and I've got a partly modeled 737-300 generator bus panel in FG. http://www.freeimagelibrary.com/images/Surge/genbus2.png I still have to do some work on it including modeling the animated switch cover in the middle but hopefully it looks good enough. What I need now is that electrical system so I can start hooking lights and switches up to properties to finish the animation side off. One thing I'm not clear on is whether Innis is working on another 737. Are there two aircraft or just one that we're working on? It would be a real pity to end up with two half modeled 737s. Also can we get things into CVS? (before we end up with 5 versions on each person's hard disk.):) Regards Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
Paul Surgeon wrote: On Thursday 09 March 2006 04:37, Markus Barenhoff wrote: generator bus panel (most important): http://www.b737.org.uk/genbuspanel.jpg for those of you how are interested, i've attached the current work in progress to this mail. it includes 2 files: electrical.nas : contains the used classes (should become a general purpose elect. framework) 737-electrical.nas : contains the 737 specific stuff. Markus, I twiddled my thumbs for the past two days and I've got a partly modeled 737-300 generator bus panel in FG. http://www.freeimagelibrary.com/images/Surge/genbus2.png it looks great!!! cu markus -- Markus Barenhoff - phone: +49-40-39991368 - cell: +49-173-7215776 Stellinger Chaussee 26c - D-22529 Hamburg - Germany - Earth url: http://www.alios.org/ - mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpkey: 0xAE7C7759 fp: 79 64 AA D9 B7 16 F5 06 6A 88 5F A9 4D 49 45 BB signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
Paul Surgeon writes One thing I'm not clear on is whether Innis is working on another 737. Are there two aircraft or just one that we're working on? It would be a real pity to end up with two half modeled 737s. The 737-300 is the current model that should be in the basic package the old model should be totally removed or just in the FG hangar. I have a partly built cockpit shell that I am working on so if you want I can send it to you and maybe we can workout who is going to do which instruments Cheers Innis --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
Paul Surgeon wrote: On Friday 10 March 2006 00:36, Markus Barenhoff wrote: Paul Surgeon wrote: On Thursday 09 March 2006 04:37, Markus Barenhoff wrote: i am currently writting a simulation of the 737-300 electrical system for flightgear. it' s still work in progress. now to my question: is there someone who would like do design the pannels? :) it would be great to have them, for testing purposes, beacuse doing it the property tree is not much fun. :) 2D or 3D panels? 3D would be great, (because its all in the overhead panel), but 2D would also be nice. If also mailed with Justin Smithies, who is also working on the panels i think, maybe you should also communicate with him, so that you both do not the same work. Any idea about the size of those panels or maybe the diameter of the gauges? Getting the scale right the first time makes life easier otherwise you have to rescale, calculate new needle centers, redo the hot spots, etc. what i have found is this here: http://www.737simbuilders.com/dimensions/images/737_overhd_B.jpg it seems to not to be a 300 panel, but afaik the genereal dimensions havent changed (by the way, on that side there are also plans with dimensions for the other parts of the flightdeck: http://www.737simbuilders.com/) cu markus --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
On Friday 10 March 2006 00:36, Markus Barenhoff wrote: Paul Surgeon wrote: On Thursday 09 March 2006 04:37, Markus Barenhoff wrote: i am currently writting a simulation of the 737-300 electrical system for flightgear. it' s still work in progress. now to my question: is there someone who would like do design the pannels? :) it would be great to have them, for testing purposes, beacuse doing it the property tree is not much fun. :) 2D or 3D panels? 3D would be great, (because its all in the overhead panel), but 2D would also be nice. If also mailed with Justin Smithies, who is also working on the panels i think, maybe you should also communicate with him, so that you both do not the same work. cu markus Any idea about the size of those panels or maybe the diameter of the gauges? Getting the scale right the first time makes life easier otherwise you have to rescale, calculate new needle centers, redo the hot spots, etc. Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
Hello Markus Markus Barenhoff writes hi there, i am currently writting a simulation of the 737-300 electrical system for flightgear. it' s still work in progress. now to my question: is there someone who would like do design the pannels? :) it would be great to have them, for testing purposes, beacuse doing it the property tree is not much fun. :) Maybe all the people who are working on the 737 need to get together and work out who is going to do what.You have as it would appear done a lot of the 737 electrical system I also know that Justin Smithies is working on the same system.I am working on the 3D cockpit which is about 20% finished.It would be a shame to have people duplicating the same systems for the 737 not to mention the mess that might occur it different version of the same system are submited for inclusion. So maybe if you email me off list and we can sort out what is to be done. Cheers Innis --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
Innis Cunningham wrote: Maybe all the people who are working on the 737 need to get together and work out who is going to do what.You have as it would appear done a lot of the 737 electrical system I also know that Justin Smithies is working on the same system.I am working on the 3D cockpit which is about 20% finished.It would be a shame to have people duplicating the same systems for the 737 not to mention the mess that might occur it different version of the same system are submited for inclusion. So maybe if you email me off list and we can sort out what is to be done. We could on the other hand simply use this mailing list. That's what a development list is for. I'd like to ask: is there some development version of the 737 available? I'm tempted to fix some animations that were in the old model, but if I had to guess, I'd say they are already done and I'd hate to waste the effort. Nine --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
On Thursday 09 March 2006 04:37, Markus Barenhoff wrote: hi there, i am currently writting a simulation of the 737-300 electrical system for flightgear. it' s still work in progress. now to my question: is there someone who would like do design the pannels? :) it would be great to have them, for testing purposes, beacuse doing it the property tree is not much fun. :) the panels i need are: meter panel (nice to have): http://www.b737.org.uk/acdcmeteringpanel.jpg generator and standby panel (would be cool): http://www.b737.org.uk/gendrivestandbypowerpanel.jpg generator bus panel (most important): http://www.b737.org.uk/genbuspanel.jpg 2D or 3D panels? Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
Paul Surgeon wrote: On Thursday 09 March 2006 04:37, Markus Barenhoff wrote: i am currently writting a simulation of the 737-300 electrical system for flightgear. it' s still work in progress. now to my question: is there someone who would like do design the pannels? :) it would be great to have them, for testing purposes, beacuse doing it the property tree is not much fun. :) 2D or 3D panels? 3D would be great, (because its all in the overhead panel), but 2D would also be nice. If also mailed with Justin Smithies, who is also working on the panels i think, maybe you should also communicate with him, so that you both do not the same work. cu markus -- Markus Barenhoff - Hamburg - Germany - Earth url: http://www.alios.org/ - mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpkey: 0xAE7C7759 fp: 79 64 AA D9 B7 16 F5 06 6A 88 5F A9 4D 49 45 BB --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
Stefan Seifert writes Innis Cunningham wrote: Maybe all the people who are working on the 737 need to get together and work out who is going to do what.You have as it would appear done a lot of the 737 electrical system I also know that Justin Smithies is working on the same system.I am working on the 3D cockpit which is about 20% finished.It would be a shame to have people duplicating the same systems for the 737 not to mention the mess that might occur it different version of the same system are submited for inclusion. So maybe if you email me off list and we can sort out what is to be done. We could on the other hand simply use this mailing list. That's what a development list is for. Yes we could. I'd like to ask: is there some development version of the 737 available? I'm tempted to fix some animations that were in the old model, but if I had to guess, I'd say they are already done and I'd hate to waste the effort. As the 737 model has recently been replaced which version are you talking about if it is the one currently in the package, 737-300, then I guess the development package is what you see.What exact animation/animations do you think need fixing. Nine Cheers Innis --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
On Wednesday 08 March 2006 21:37, Markus Barenhoff wrote: electrical.nas : contains the used classes (should become a general purpose elect. framework) 737-electrical.nas : contains the 737 specific stuff. cu markus p.s. the indention of the comments seems to be a problem in the nasal emacs mode :(( So, that's the third electrical system written in Nasal. :P Ampere --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
