Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-19 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Jack Mermod wrote:
 Hi,
      As many of the textures were originally photos, they were edited
 in .jpg format and sent to me like that. I made the careless mistake
 of simply changing the extension from jpg to png. I will convert these
 the proper way in photoshop, and commit it to the AH-1's repository,
 which can be seen here:

 http://www.gitorious.org/bell-ah-1-cobra

 If I commit my changes there, will you be able to merge the files
 directly from my repo into fgdata?

Sure. Let me know when you've sorted out the textures.  Note that
I can't guarantee I'll be able to get to it immediately, so I'll just
commit whatever is in HEAD when I get to it. Is that OK?

BTW, it's grown quite a bit since the last update - from 24MB to
38MB. You might want to see if there are any textures that can be
reduced in size.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-19 Thread Jack Mermod
Hi Stuart,
  I've converted the textures, deleted unused/outdated  
files, and done my best to keep the file size down. Now the AH-1 is  
ready to be merged.

http://gitorious.org/bell-ah-1-cobra


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-18 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Jack Mermod wrote:
 Hi,

        The Red Bull livery has been removed from this release.

 Download: http://jackmermod.bplaced.net/Files/cobra21511.zip

Hi Jack,

I had a look at committing this, replacing the existing aircraft in
git, but there seem to be some problems with the textures. The livery
menu appears to be broken, and I'm getting a lot of errors of the
form:

Warning: Could not find plugin to read objects from file
/home/stuart/FlightGear/fgdata/Aircraft/AH-1/Models/Cockpit/pilot1.png.
Warning: Could not find plugin to read objects from file
/home/stuart/FlightGear/fgdata/Aircraft/AH-1/Models/Cockpit/pilot2.png.

Is that expected, or is there an error in the zip file?

Thanks,

-Stuart

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-18 Thread Csaba Halász
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Stuart Buchanan stuar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Warning: Could not find plugin to read objects from file
 /home/stuart/FlightGear/fgdata/Aircraft/AH-1/Models/Cockpit/pilot1.png.
 Warning: Could not find plugin to read objects from file
 /home/stuart/FlightGear/fgdata/Aircraft/AH-1/Models/Cockpit/pilot2.png.

 Is that expected, or is there an error in the zip file?

Looks like quite a few of the files named .png are really jpegs:

$ identify pilot1.png
pilot1.png JPEG 512x512 512x512+0+0 DirectClass 8-bit 223.154kb

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-18 Thread Jack Mermod
Hi,
  As many of the textures were originally photos, they were edited  
in .jpg format and sent to me like that. I made the careless mistake  
of simply changing the extension from jpg to png. I will convert these  
the proper way in photoshop, and commit it to the AH-1's repository,  
which can be seen here:

http://www.gitorious.org/bell-ah-1-cobra

If I commit my changes there, will you be able to merge the files  
directly from my repo into fgdata?

Check Six,
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Jack Mermod wrote:
 Hi,

        The Red Bull livery has been removed from this release.

 Download: http://jackmermod.bplaced.net/Files/cobra21511.zip

 I find it ridiculous and a bit immature how Oliver people whine about
 a simple logo.

It is neither ridiculous nor immature.

Unfortunately the reality of the world that we live in is that
Intellectual Property licensing is very important, particularly for a
project such as FlightGear where we are all volunteers

While you may not see it as an issue, and be prepared to fight in
court, by having someone include the logo in the git repository we
would be making them, and possibly all the git maintainers, personally
liable for any infringement.

Red Bull might not care, but if they did, the costs of defending such
legal challenges would be huge, even if we were not infringing. If you
have no assets you might not be a target, but I have sufficient assets
and a wife and child to think about - it is simply not worth the risk.

Approaching Red Bull directly (as noted in the topic) seems by far the
most sensible option here. I would be very interested in what they
say, but I strongly suspect at the very least it would have some
non-commercial clause that would be incompatible with the GPL.

 If Oliver really cared about preventing fictitious lawsuits as he
 claims to, he would concentrate his efforts on the several red bull
 logos that are already in our database.

IMO these need to be removed. Could you list them please so we can get
in touch with the maintainers?

FYI, when I initially created the Pitts biplane for FG, it had a Duff
Beer livery, after the beer in The Simpsons. So, a wholly fictious
brand in a cartoon. After some discussion, we decided that this wasn't
really appropriate and it was removed from (then) cvs. So, you're not
the first to be in this position.

 If this thread is further interfered with, I will be forced to result
 to more forceful methods of having my work committed, or I may very
 well change the license back to the CC license and our community will
 have missed out on a very high quality aircraft.

I don't think posting to the FlightGear-Dev list can be considered
interfering. It is after all, a discussion group :)

It is important that these issues are discussed - and this is exactly
the correct forum for this.

I think you will find that any other git committer will want to
discuss these issues in an open forum and come to a consensus view
rather than just committing such work. I expect that they would have
exactly the same concerns as me.

This is not an issue with GPL/CC licensing. You are perfectly entitled
to release your aircraft with the Red Bull livery under the GPL - in
fact you have already done so! The issue is whether it is something
that we can risk adding to the core FG repository.

Note that to change to a CC license, you would need to get permission
from all the contributors to the aircraft. From reading the Forum
topic, it would appear to be a great example of cooperation between
many different people.

Frankly such threats of changing the license are beneath you.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread Vivian Meazza
Stuart Buchanan

 
 On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Jack Mermod wrote:
  Hi,
 
         The Red Bull livery has been removed from this release.
 
  Download: http://jackmermod.bplaced.net/Files/cobra21511.zip
 
  I find it ridiculous and a bit immature how Oliver people whine about
  a simple logo.
 
 It is neither ridiculous nor immature.
 
 Unfortunately the reality of the world that we live in is that
 Intellectual Property licensing is very important, particularly for a
 project such as FlightGear where we are all volunteers
 
 While you may not see it as an issue, and be prepared to fight in
 court, by having someone include the logo in the git repository we
 would be making them, and possibly all the git maintainers, personally
 liable for any infringement.
 
 Red Bull might not care, but if they did, the costs of defending such
 legal challenges would be huge, even if we were not infringing. If you
 have no assets you might not be a target, but I have sufficient assets
 and a wife and child to think about - it is simply not worth the risk.
 
 Approaching Red Bull directly (as noted in the topic) seems by far the
 most sensible option here. I would be very interested in what they
 say, but I strongly suspect at the very least it would have some
 non-commercial clause that would be incompatible with the GPL.
 
  If Oliver really cared about preventing fictitious lawsuits as he
  claims to, he would concentrate his efforts on the several red bull
  logos that are already in our database.
 
 IMO these need to be removed. Could you list them please so we can get
 in touch with the maintainers?
 
 FYI, when I initially created the Pitts biplane for FG, it had a Duff
 Beer livery, after the beer in The Simpsons. So, a wholly fictious
 brand in a cartoon. After some discussion, we decided that this wasn't
 really appropriate and it was removed from (then) cvs. So, you're not
 the first to be in this position.
 
  If this thread is further interfered with, I will be forced to result
  to more forceful methods of having my work committed, or I may very
  well change the license back to the CC license and our community will
  have missed out on a very high quality aircraft.
 
 I don't think posting to the FlightGear-Dev list can be considered
 interfering. It is after all, a discussion group :)
 
 It is important that these issues are discussed - and this is exactly
 the correct forum for this.
 
 I think you will find that any other git committer will want to
 discuss these issues in an open forum and come to a consensus view
 rather than just committing such work. I expect that they would have
 exactly the same concerns as me.
 
 This is not an issue with GPL/CC licensing. You are perfectly entitled
 to release your aircraft with the Red Bull livery under the GPL - in
 fact you have already done so! The issue is whether it is something
 that we can risk adding to the core FG repository.
 
 Note that to change to a CC license, you would need to get permission
 from all the contributors to the aircraft. From reading the Forum
 topic, it would appear to be a great example of cooperation between
 many different people.
 
 Frankly such threats of changing the license are beneath you.
 

This is ridiculous. We have this discussion every so often, when we are not
arguing over FlightPro Sim. Do we have to change every airliner model in the
inventory? Of course we don't. Use the bloody thing. And if ever anyone
complains say: Whoops! Sorry., and take it down, as we would for any other
copyright infringement. We ways end up with this solution.

Simples.

Vivian





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Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread Martin Spott
Vivian Meazza wrote:

 This is ridiculous. We have this discussion every so often, when we are not
 arguing over FlightPro Sim. Do we have to change every airliner model in the
 inventory? Of course we don't. Use the bloody thing.

Red Bull is known to be very restrictive sensitive when it comes to
commercial use of their trademarked material.  Therefore I'd call it
unjustifiable to put the FlightGear project at risk of facing a legal
battle.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Vivian Meazza wrote:
 This is ridiculous. We have this discussion every so often, when we are not
 arguing over FlightPro Sim. Do we have to change every airliner model in the
 inventory? Of course we don't. Use the bloody thing. And if ever anyone
 complains say: Whoops! Sorry., and take it down, as we would for any other
 copyright infringement. We ways end up with this solution.

 Simples.

I think we would be safer not having real life airliner liveries. I
recall that MSFS 2002 (or was it 2004?) used fictional liveries,
presumably to avoid this entire issue. I don't know what FS-X does.

In the case of airliner liveries there is a history of them being used
in flight simulators. IANAL, but AFAIK the fact that they have been
used for a number of years without any enforcement from the trademark
owner can be considered precedent in court that the owner is not that
fussed about the use and makes enforcement more difficult in the
future.

I just had a quick look on avsim.com to see if add-on aircraft are
being sold with real life liveries, and they are. I'd be interested to
find out what licensing they have, if any. Nevertheless, if I was a
commercial FS aircraft developer or commercial FG distributor, I'd be
quite nervous about including trademarked liveries.

As Martin points out Red Bull is very careful about their trademark
licensing  - I guess it's because they are very much a brand who
sponsors a whole load of liveried products, teams etc. on the back of
a rather sweet caffeinated drink (IMO it's a bit like Buckfast without
the alcohol ;) )

As I said above, I think asking for permission is the right approach
here, and I'd be interested in the response.

-Stuart

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-15 Thread Oliver Fels
Hi,
My development of the Bell AH-1W Cobra is far enough along where  
I feel it is time to commit it to GIT, especially in time for the new  
release. I use GIT, but I don't know enough about it to commit it  
myself. If somebody could commit it for me that would be really great.

Screenshot:
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/5017/cobra5.png

Download:
http://jackmermod.yolasite.com/resources/AH-1%2012-12-10.zip

The archive Jack has provided contains a Red Bull livery which is based on the 
RB logo as trademarked by Red Bull, Austria.

Unless it is clear that distributing this trademarked item is legal I propose 
not to include the livery into FlightGear GIT.
Otherwise legal action against FlightGear could be filed.

A clarification is currently ongoing.

Details start here: 
http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4t=10130start=195#p113224

Jack had been involved in this debate.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-15 Thread Jack Mermod
Hi,

The Red Bull livery has been removed from this release.

Download: http://jackmermod.bplaced.net/Files/cobra21511.zip

I find it ridiculous and a bit immature how Oliver people whine about  
a simple logo.

If Oliver really cared about preventing fictitious lawsuits as he  
claims to, he would concentrate his efforts on the several red bull  
logos that are already in our database.

If this thread is further interfered with, I will be forced to result  
to more forceful methods of having my work committed, or I may very  
well change the license back to the CC license and our community will  
have missed out on a very high quality aircraft.

Regards,
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2011-01-09 Thread Gijs de Rooy

Hi Jack!

AH-1 has been updated. Please check to see if everything went properly.

However, I did get these (non fatal, but ugly and slowing things down) 
warnings/errors when launching the 
AH-1 in FlightGear. All are easy to fix; except for the radar error which I 
don't understand fully. I am able
to open the file in GIMP, but not in paint. So it seems to be some sort of 
unvalid .png file...
 
Warning: Could not find plugin to read objects from file 
D:\FlightGear\data\Aircraft\AH-1\Models\Cockpit\radar.png.
osgDB ac3d reader: could not read texture radar.png
Scaling image 'D:\FlightGear\data\Aircraft\AH-1\Models\Cockpit\seatbase.png' 
from (716,718) to (512,512)
Scaling image 'D:\FlightGear\data\Aircraft\AH-1\Models\Cockpit\seat.png' from 
(624,625) to (512,512)
Scaling image 'D:\FlightGear\data\Aircraft\AH-1\Models\Cockpit\genpanel.png' 
from (450,450) to (512,512)
Scaling image 'D:\FlightGear\data\Aircraft\AH-1\Models\Cockpit\cpu.png' from 
(800,800) to (1024,1024)
Scaling image 'D:\FlightGear\data\Aircraft\AH-1\Models\Cockpit\phood.png' from 
(624,625) to (512,512)
Scaling image 'D:\FlightGear\data\Aircraft\AH-1\Models\Cockpit\text1.png' from 
(464,464) to (512,512)
Scaling image 'D:\FlightGear\data\Aircraft\AH-1\Models\Cockpit\dash.png' from 
(624,625) to (512,512)
Scaling image 'D:\FlightGear\data\Aircraft\AH-1\Models\Cockpit\firelev.png' 
from (344,344) to (256,256)
Scaling image 'D:\FlightGear\data\Aircraft\AH-1\Models\firecobra.png' from 
(2045,2048) to (2048,2048)
Scaling image 'D:\FlightGear\data\Aircraft\AH-1\Models\Cockpit\misc.png' from 
(500,500) to (512,512)
Scaling image 
'D:\FlightGear\data\Aircraft\AH-1\Models\Cockpit\circuitbreaker.png' from 
(800,800) to (1024,1024)
Scaling image 'D:\FlightGear\data\Aircraft\AH-1\Models\Cockpit\auxfuel.png' 
from (624,625) to (512,512)
Scaling image 'D:\FlightGear\data\Aircraft\AH-1\Models\Cockpit\syspanel.png' 
from (800,800) to (1024,1024)
Scaling image 'D:\FlightGear\data\Aircraft\AH-1\Models\Cockpit\tolocheck.png' 
from (500,500) to (512,512)
Scaling image 'D:\FlightGear\data\Aircraft\AH-1\Models\Cockpit\cyclic.png' from 
(800,800) to (1024,1024)
Scaling image 'D:\FlightGear\data\Aircraft\AH-1\Models\MainRotor\colors.png' 
from (534,534) to (512,512)
Scaling image 'D:\FlightGear\data\Aircraft\AH-1\Models\TailRotor\colors.png' 
from (534,534) to (512,512)
Could not find at least one of the following objects for animation:
RAlt.Bug

You probably want to fix those in time; so the AH-1 doesn't end up like this on 
the official download page...
 
And next time, please write a little summary of the changes; so we can add a 
nice commit messages ;)


Cheers,
Gijs 




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To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 18:00:04 -0800
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request


Sorry, scratch that last request. I accidentally deleted a sound file in the 
aircraft, so it crashed upon loading.


Here's the fixed version: 
http://jacksfilestorage.yolasite.com/resources/AH-1_1-5-11.zip


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2011-01-05 Thread Jack Mermod
Sorry, scratch that last request. I accidentally deleted a sound file  
in the aircraft, so it crashed upon loading.


Here's the fixed version: 
http://jacksfilestorage.yolasite.com/resources/AH-1_1-5-11.zip

Thanks,
 Jack


On Jan 3, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Jack Mermod wrote:


Hi,
 	It is time again for my AH-1 to be merged into GIT. If somebody  
could do this for me that would be great.


You can download the AH-1 package here: 
http://jacksfilestorage.yolasite.com/resources/AH-1_1-3-11.zip

Thanks!
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2010-12-19 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Stuart Buchanan wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Jack Mermod wrote:
  Everything in the package I have sent is under the GPL.

 That's great news :)

 I may not get the chance to commit this in the near future, so if
 someone else wants to go ahead, they are welcome.

 Thanks for your work.

OK, I've now committed this.

A couple of things I noticed that you've probably already got on your TODO list:
- AH1-menu.xml refers to aircraft.weapons.dialog.toggle(), which doesn't exist
- Dialogs/external-loads.xml refers to f14 throughout
- some textures aren't factors of 2 (Models/MainRotor/colors.png,
Models/marines.png)

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2010-12-16 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Jack Mermod wrote:
  Everything in the package I have sent is under the GPL.

That's great news :)

I may not get the chance to commit this in the near future, so if
someone else wants to go ahead, they are welcome.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2010-12-13 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Hi Jack,

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Jack Mermod wrote:
 Hi,
     My development of the Bell AH-1W Cobra is far enough along where
 I feel it is time to commit it to GIT, especially in time for the new
 release. I use GIT, but I don't know enough about it to commit it
 myself. If somebody could commit it for me that would be really great.

 Screenshot:
 http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/5017/cobra5.png

 Download:
 http://jackmermod.yolasite.com/resources/AH-1%2012-12-10.zip

I'd like to check a couple of licensing things before anyone commits this
to git. We've had issues in the past where people have not understood what
having something added to the main FG repository means and which has
caused problems later.

Firstly, to have this added to the git repository, it must be released under
the GNU GPL v2.

On the forum, you've stated that you are only going to release
this under some Creative Commons license:

(http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4t=10130start=60#p105539)

Have you now changed your mind, and are _all_ the authors of this happy for it
to be released under the GPL?

Secondly, are all the works on which it is based GPL compatible (sounds
graphics etc.) ?

I notice that there are some posts in the forum regarding using an FDM
from another
FG model, as well as some GPL sounds. If this is the case, then unless
the original
author has agreed to license the FDM/sounds under a different license, you
must release your work under the GPL v2, and cannot simply decide to give
your model a different license (See the GPL section 2 - your work is a
derivative
of their FDM/sounds etc).

Apologies if this is all obvious, and preaching to the choir, but it
is very important.

-Stuart

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2010-12-13 Thread Gene Buckle
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010, Jack Mermod wrote:

 Hi,
 My development of the Bell AH-1W Cobra is far enough along where
 I feel it is time to commit it to GIT, especially in time for the new
 release. I use GIT, but I don't know enough about it to commit it
 myself. If somebody could commit it for me that would be really great.

 Screenshot:
 http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/5017/cobra5.png

My.  Now isn't THAT one bad ass looking fling-wing... :)

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2010-12-13 Thread Citronnier - Alexis Bory
Jack Mermod a écrit :

  Screenshot: http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/5017/cobra5.png

Hi Jack,
At first glance I see a problem (very common) with the colors of the 3D 
model. Dark parts (that is not on the sun side) a really too dark.

The reason is that ambient values are  not equals to rgb values.  That's 
due to the default colors setting in most 3D moleling software. FG need 
to be feed with rgb and amb colors to be the same to render correct 
darkness.

You will find bellow a wide used script that replace automaticaly every 
values found in the files given as arguments:



Code of color-change.sh :

#! /bin/sh

for f in $@ ; do
  sed -i.before-color-change 
's,\(MATERIAL.*\)rgb\(.*\)amb\(.*\)emis\(.*\)spec\(.*\)shi\(.*\)trans\(.*\)$,\1rgb\2amb\2emis\4spec\5shi\6trans\7,1'
 
$f
  if ! cmp ${f} ${f}.before-color-change  /dev/null 21 ; then
  echo $f has changed colors!
  fi
done



Usage :

ale...@duck:~/flight/fg-data/git-head/fgdata/Aircraft/A-10/Models$ 
color-change.sh `find . -name *.ac`

Hope it helps,
Alexis

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2010-12-13 Thread Jack Mermod
Hi Stuart,


 Have you now changed your mind, and are _all_ the authors of this  
 happy for it
 to be released under the GPL?

Yes, I have spoken with Simon and we have decided that we will release  
under the GPL v2 in order to get it in GIT. At first we were concerned  
about FlightProSim stealing it, but I have better ways to fight back  
than using the CC license.



 Secondly, are all the works on which it is based GPL compatible  
 (sounds
 graphics etc.) ?

Yes. The sounds are actually real in flight recordings from both a  
UH-1H and an AH-1S. I have a friend that flies a UH-1H for SAR, and he  
provided the recordings that he took under the GPL.

As far as the AH-1S sounds, I asked the permission of the author of a  
video of a flight in the AH-1S for the sounds and he agreed to their  
use under the GPL.


See:  
http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4t=10130start=90#p105979


Everything in the package I have sent is under the GPL.


Thanks!

- Jack

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