Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear on ebay
I believe this person was well within their rights up until they claimed copyright over the entire work. Even if they have copyright on accompanying software they wrote to work with it, I believe they are required to license it under the GPL if they distribute it with FG. I'm pretty sure claiming copyright over it and stating (falsely) that it's prohibited to copy, modify, or distribute it is a violation. IF they removed that one bit from the page and they include an offer with the software (not the ad) to provide the sources, they'd be compliant. I'm not a lawyer though. Email them and ask them to provide the source code and a copy of the license it's released under. (They can charge a reasonable fee for processing and materials for that, but they can't refuse to do it and pointing you to the flightgear site isn't enough. THEY have to provide them.) Bob -- Delusional Mail (http://www.delusionalmind.com) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:11:43 -0500 From: Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear on ebay Here's a slightly different wrinkle (maybe) on this whole selling copies of FlightGear under dubious premises. In this case FlightGear is prominently displayed in the ebay ad, but later they claim: Copyright This item is copyrighted. Any reproduction, duplication or resale of any kind is strictly prohibited. Software included is either released under GNU or contains our protected IP. Copyright ? 2009 MT Software Solutions. All rights reserved. Is this a problem? Here's the link so you can see it all in context: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Flight-Gear-Simulator-2009-for-Microsoft- Windows-Vista_W0QQitemZ180388068783QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_PC_Video_Games_Video_Games_JS?hash=item29fff77daf Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear on ebay
Bob Faulkner wrote: I believe this person was well within their rights up until they claimed copyright over the entire work. Even if they have copyright on accompanying software they wrote to work with it, I believe they are required to license it under the GPL if they distribute it with FG. I'm pretty sure claiming copyright over it and stating (falsely) that it's prohibited to copy, modify, or distribute it is a violation. They clearly state: 'Software included is either released under GNU or contains our protected IP' which could mean they created a separate application that installs FlightGear, or something similar. Then it's perfectly legal to say you can't just copy the media as is. Software that is connecting to FlightGear using a socket connection could be non-GPL also. Erik -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear on ebay
George Patterson wrote: On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a slightly different wrinkle (maybe) on this whole selling copies of FlightGear under dubious premises. In this case FlightGear is prominently displayed in the ebay ad, but later they claim: Copyright This item is copyrighted. Any reproduction, duplication or resale of any kind is strictly prohibited. Software included is either released under GNU or contains our protected IP. Copyright © 2009 MT Software Solutions. All rights reserved. This might be perfectly legal if they, for instance, ship their own installer. Then the package can't be sold as is (because if the inclusion of their differently copyrighted software), but you are allowed to grab FlightGear from the nmedia and give it to all your friends for example. Erik -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear on ebay
Maybe there ought to be a continuous listing on eBay for FlightGear that we put there, that mentions all the other rebrands, and prominently displays the web site, that it can be downloaded freely. The idea behind the listing wouldn't be to make money, just to set the facts straight. Or something like that ... Jon -Original Message- From: Erik Hofman [mailto:e...@ehofman.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:27 AM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear on ebay George Patterson wrote: On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a slightly different wrinkle (maybe) on this whole selling copies of FlightGear under dubious premises. In this case FlightGear is prominently displayed in the ebay ad, but later they claim: Copyright This item is copyrighted. Any reproduction, duplication or resale of any kind is strictly prohibited. Software included is either released under GNU or contains our protected IP. Copyright C 2009 MT Software Solutions. All rights reserved. This might be perfectly legal if they, for instance, ship their own installer. Then the package can't be sold as is (because if the inclusion of their differently copyrighted software), but you are allowed to grab FlightGear from the nmedia and give it to all your friends for example. Erik --- --- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear on ebay
On 10/21/09, Jon S. Berndt jonsber...@comcast.net wrote: Maybe there ought to be a continuous listing on eBay for FlightGear that we put there, that mentions all the other rebrands, and prominently displays the web site, that it can be downloaded freely. The idea behind the listing wouldn't be to make money, just to set the facts straight. Or something like that ... Jon Excellent idea. Fabian -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear on ebay
Check this out: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Blender-3D-Graphics-Design-Animation-Studio-Software_W0QQitemZ180388068724QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Software_Software_SR?hash=item29fff77d74#ht_6467wt_1021 I'm pretty sure I didn't have to pay £6 for Blender when I got it :D -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear on ebay
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a slightly different wrinkle (maybe) on this whole selling copies of FlightGear under dubious premises. In this case FlightGear is prominently displayed in the ebay ad, but later they claim: Copyright This item is copyrighted. Any reproduction, duplication or resale of any kind is strictly prohibited. Software included is either released under GNU or contains our protected IP. Copyright © 2009 MT Software Solutions. All rights reserved. Is this a problem? Here's the link so you can see it all in context: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Flight-Gear-Simulator-2009-for-Microsoft-Windows-Vista_W0QQitemZ180388068783QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_PC_Video_Games_Video_Games_JS?hash=item29fff77daf Hi Curt, While I'm not a lawyer, serveral things pop out in my mind. The GNU license has been stripped and released with a no reproduction, distribution or resale clause. The copyright has been removed and replaced with there own. If they want to keep the copyright on there own installation program (as an example), then it should read as follows: Copyright © 2009 Curtis L. Olson Installation program Copyright © 2009 MT Software Solutions. The images and probably the text on that page have been copied from other sources. I'm sure the creator of the images would recognise them. The ebay listing also contains watermarks on the images is wrong. It the image was created by them or cited then fair enough. Anyway, those are the most obvious things that stands out here. Regards George The -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear on ebay
The GNU license has been stripped and released with a no reproduction, distribution or resale clause. Well, one needs to order the box and find out. If the program copyright is misrepresented also on the DVD, there is a genuine copyright problem for the seller. If it's only wrongly stated in the ebay product description but not on the DVD, then it's really a false statement in advertising which may expose them to liabilities other than copyright law. Fo a 5.99 GBP product, this box surey looks nice. And the test buyer should really take them up on their E-mail support for the product. I for one would welcome a lovey box for flightgear. Would surely look nice next to X-Plane and the various MS Flight Simulaor editions ;) Christian -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
