Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:47:08 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message 
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 Hello Arnt:
 
 What's your line here?

..oneliner.  Hmmm.  I see Knoppix' ppmtompeg assumes you set up 
a parameter file.  Oh well, you can still have another box running
netcat and ppmtompeg, (and your primary box running FlightGear): 

..install and run fgfs with  --jpg-httpd=port , to enable the screen
shot http server on the specified port, say, on port 12345.

..on the movie maker box:  nc -l FGbox 12345 |ppmtompeg -realquiet \
/home/knoppix/fg-movie-parameter-file, details in man nc and man 
ppmtompeg on any box run up with a Knoppix disk or running linux.

..similar schemes movie making schemes:
http://spot.river-styx.com/viewarticle.php?id=12
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-enc-images.html
http://www.google.com/search?num=100hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8q=%22encode+movie%22+jpeg+Linux+networkbtnG=Search

.._many_ ways to skin this cat, even if my little oneliner-on-knoppix
scheme died, it needs a parameter file on the movie maker box.  ;o)
http://www.google.com/search?num=100hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8q=ppmtompeg+%22sample+parameter-file%22btnG=Search

..eh, just found the parameter file saves my oneliner scheme with a 
 REMOTE machine user executable parameter file  line.  ;o)

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RE: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-23 Thread Vivian Meazza
Martin

 Hello Vivian:
 
 When FG is running and from the Tool Bar I chose File Browse Internal
 Properties Instrumentation. There are two; the 2nd is the nearest, but
 relates to heading indicator and path. This refers to the Seahawk and is
 for
 xml. Nothing here refers to TACAN!

Look in fileinstrumentationtacan

Not

Fileinstrumentation[1]

You should see a wide range of parameters relating to TACAN, including the
station name. This should be 'USS Nimitz TACAN' if the Nimitz is not present
or not in range this may read 'China Lake TACAN'
 
 If I am looking in something wrong, then point me in the right direction.
 In
 fact the only mention, as far as I can see is in Equipment Radio
 Settings.
 Here you see the default 029Y setting.

That is the correct channel for Nimitz/China Lake
 
 For the Seahawk, as I mentioned, none of the instruments direct you to the
 Nimitz, but back to KSFO as the default. Having the cockpit laid out like
 a
 Cessna, does not help, as one's vision is very restricted for visual
 flight!!!
 

Er, you are using the 3d cockpit built from the Pilot's Notes with
adjustable seat height? Nothing to do with the Cessna at all. If you are,
then the TACAN range and bearing are displayed on the dials on the left
panel, just by the hook raise lower switch. You can adjust the FoV as well
(as in all ac) the view should be as good as, if not better than the real
thing, well except for peripheral vision, of course.

Vivian


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RE: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-22 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Quoting Vivian Meazza:

 Fred

 I can reproduce the 737 problem here at will. I have some spare time
 Wednesday, morning or afternoon for a debug session if that would help

I don't have any spare time before Sunday. If it is ok, I must prepare a debug
kit before.

-Fred


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RE: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
Fred

 Quoting Vivian Meazza:
 
  Fred
 
  I can reproduce the 737 problem here at will. I have some spare time
  Wednesday, morning or afternoon for a debug session if that would help
 
 I don't have any spare time before Sunday. If it is ok, I must prepare a
 debug
 kit before.
 

At your service, sir. Monday would be good, rather than Sunday.

I'm beginning to find more bugs. The Seafire cannot be started under
Win-0.9.9. The {} keys don't seem to work.

Vivian


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Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-22 Thread Curtis L. Olson

dene maxwell wrote:


Hi Curt,
Is c:\windows\applog\fgfs.lgc the right file to look at?
That file comes out at 54kbyte on my attempt to startup. Contains alot 
hex numbers, who is this going to be useful to?




I have no knowledge of that file.  Does it contain FG related messages?

Curt.

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Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-22 Thread Curtis L. Olson

Vivian Meazza wrote:


At your service, sir. Monday would be good, rather than Sunday.

I'm beginning to find more bugs. The Seafire cannot be started under
Win-0.9.9. The {} keys don't seem to work.
 



I had trouble with that one too I think, but it turned out to be 
something system related ... i.e. engine needs fuel to run, full 
mixture, that sort of thing.  Something critical defaulted to off.


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Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-22 Thread Gerard ROBIN
Le mardi 22 novembre 2005 à 15:07 +0100, MPCEE French Bureau a écrit :
 Hello Alistair:
 
 Thank you; Nimitz is placed on my FGv9.9. Some observations, after having
 read the Read Me file etc: What is the keyboard control for raising and
 lowering the hook? When toggling the cockpit instruments, to use the TACAN,
 the ADF and DME are not functioning when seeking out the Nimitz. From the
 aerial shot, that was posted, it was possible to find her. The ADF is still
 functioning for the direction of KSFO and you find yourself heading back
 over the hills! One other point is it possible to place the Nimitz in any
 other location randomly, like when you choose your start airport, it is
 floating in the sea in that vicinity, like it is with the default setting.
 As an example, as an ex FAA aircrew (I had used the Seahawk for dummy deck
 training at RNAS Culdrose) but was frontline with Gannets (849 sqdn) on the
 Ark Royal in the mid 60's etc, but flying training was in Malta. To revisit
 these parts with a carrier is what this is all about. The Enterprise, during
 Vietnam, located from Subic Bay is another. Helicopters are another
 scenario, with Whirlwinds, Wessex Mk3s and later Sea Kings, before being
 transferred to the first RN Phantoms when they arrived from the US. This was
 the time for me to decommission in January 1972.
 
 Sorry, a little reminiscing here, but I am hoping to use my favourite
 workhorse, Concorde, to do circuits and bumps on the Nimitz!
 
 Thank you for your time
 
 Martin

Hello Martin,

No, 
don't apologize about reminiscing, you could go on hours and hours,
telling us how that was working, and give your remarks about the
mistakes we could have done. 

Cheers

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Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-22 Thread Gerard ROBIN
Le mardi 22 novembre 2005 à 15:07 +0100, MPCEE French Bureau a écrit :
 Hello Alistair:
 
 Thank you; Nimitz is placed on my FGv9.9. Some observations, after having
 read the Read Me file etc: What is the keyboard control for raising and
 lowering the hook? When toggling the cockpit instruments, to use the TACAN,
 the ADF and DME are not functioning when seeking out the Nimitz. From the
 aerial shot, that was posted, it was possible to find her. The ADF is still
 functioning for the direction of KSFO and you find yourself heading back
 over the hills! One other point is it possible to place the Nimitz in any
 other location randomly, like when you choose your start airport, it is
 floating in the sea in that vicinity, like it is with the default setting.
 As an example, as an ex FAA aircrew (I had used the Seahawk for dummy deck
 training at RNAS Culdrose) but was frontline with Gannets (849 sqdn) on the
 Ark Royal in the mid 60's etc, but flying training was in Malta. To revisit
 these parts with a carrier is what this is all about. The Enterprise, during
 Vietnam, located from Subic Bay is another. Helicopters are another
 scenario, with Whirlwinds, Wessex Mk3s and later Sea Kings, before being
 transferred to the first RN Phantoms when they arrived from the US. This was
 the time for me to decommission in January 1972.
 
 Sorry, a little reminiscing here, but I am hoping to use my favourite
 workhorse, Concorde, to do circuits and bumps on the Nimitz!
 
 Thank you for your time
 
 Martin
 
I did not answer your question.

For the Hook: upper case O  (like Observatory) = hook down  and o
= hook up




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RE: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
Curt

 Vivian Meazza wrote:
 
 At your service, sir. Monday would be good, rather than Sunday.
 
 I'm beginning to find more bugs. The Seafire cannot be started under
 Win-0.9.9. The {} keys don't seem to work.
 
 
 
 I had trouble with that one too I think, but it turned out to be
 something system related ... i.e. engine needs fuel to run, full
 mixture, that sort of thing.  Something critical defaulted to off.
 


Er ... I'm the author of that model: I don't think it's a system problem. I
can't get the magnetos to switch on, either by using {} or the clickable
panel. It works under Cygwin.

Vivian 


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Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-22 Thread Curtis L. Olson

Vivian Meazza wrote:



Er ... I'm the author of that model: I don't think it's a system problem. I
can't get the magnetos to switch on, either by using {} or the clickable
panel. It works under Cygwin.

 



The controls work as advertised here.  Both magnetos on, both fuel cocks 
on, prime five times with I (aka capital 'i', not ell, not one.)  Hit 
the starter and the engine fires to life for me here on linux.  You 
don't say what system you are having problems with ... is it the MSVC 
windows build?


Curt.

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RE: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
Martin

 
 Thank you; Nimitz is placed on my FGv9.9. Some observations, after having
 read the Read Me file etc: What is the keyboard control for raising and
 lowering the hook? When toggling the cockpit instruments, to use the
 TACAN,
 the ADF and DME are not functioning when seeking out the Nimitz. From the
 aerial shot, that was posted, it was possible to find her. The ADF is
 still
 functioning for the direction of KSFO and you find yourself heading back
 over the hills! One other point is it possible to place the Nimitz in any
 other location randomly, like when you choose your start airport, it is
 floating in the sea in that vicinity, like it is with the default setting.
 As an example, as an ex FAA aircrew (I had used the Seahawk for dummy deck
 training at RNAS Culdrose) but was frontline with Gannets (849 sqdn) on
 the
 Ark Royal in the mid 60's etc, but flying training was in Malta. To
 revisit
 these parts with a carrier is what this is all about. The Enterprise,
 during
 Vietnam, located from Subic Bay is another. Helicopters are another
 scenario, with Whirlwinds, Wessex Mk3s and later Sea Kings, before being
 transferred to the first RN Phantoms when they arrived from the US. This
 was
 the time for me to decommission in January 1972.
 
 Sorry, a little reminiscing here, but I am hoping to use my favourite
 workhorse, Concorde, to do circuits and bumps on the Nimitz!
 

Could you describe the TACAN problem in more detail please? In particular if
you open the property browser, under /instruments/TACAN you can see what
station the TACAN is receiving, etc.

Vivian


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RE: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
Curt

 
 Vivian Meazza wrote:
 
 
 Er ... I'm the author of that model: I don't think it's a system problem.
 I
 can't get the magnetos to switch on, either by using {} or the clickable
 panel. It works under Cygwin.
 
 
 
 
 The controls work as advertised here.  Both magnetos on, both fuel cocks
 on, prime five times with I (aka capital 'i', not ell, not one.)  Hit
 the starter and the engine fires to life for me here on linux.  You
 don't say what system you are having problems with ... is it the MSVC
 windows build?
 

Good, I'm delighted that it works as advertised under Linux ... phew. As I
said, works under Cygwin too. It seems to be a MSVC windows build problem,
although I still have one more thing to try.

Vivian


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Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-22 Thread dene maxwell
it contains what looks like hex dumps interspersed with some file names that 
are FG related.


If this isn't the appropriate file where does FG log too?

Dene



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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 06:52:20 -0600

dene maxwell wrote:


Hi Curt,
Is c:\windows\applog\fgfs.lgc the right file to look at?
That file comes out at 54kbyte on my attempt to startup. Contains alot hex 
numbers, who is this going to be useful to?




I have no knowledge of that file.  Does it contain FG related messages?

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RE: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-22 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Quoting Vivian Meazza :

 Curt

 
  Vivian Meazza wrote:
 
  
  Er ... I'm the author of that model: I don't think it's a system problem.
  I
  can't get the magnetos to switch on, either by using {} or the clickable
  panel. It works under Cygwin.
  
  
  
 
  The controls work as advertised here.  Both magnetos on, both fuel cocks
  on, prime five times with I (aka capital 'i', not ell, not one.)  Hit
  the starter and the engine fires to life for me here on linux.  You
  don't say what system you are having problems with ... is it the MSVC
  windows build?
 

 Good, I'm delighted that it works as advertised under Linux ... phew. As I
 said, works under Cygwin too. It seems to be a MSVC windows build problem,
 although I still have one more thing to try.

Could you try the c172 ? It seems to me I tried taht recently. On a french
keyboard, it is a combinaison of 2 keys but it worked. I will try again this
evening.

-Fred

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Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-22 Thread Frederic Bouvier
 Is c:\windows\applog\fgfs.lgc the right file to look at?
 That file comes out at 54kbyte on my attempt to startup. Contains alot hex
 numbers, who is this going to be useful to?
 
 
 I have no knowledge of that file.  Does it contain FG related messages?

 it contains what looks like hex dumps interspersed with some file names that
 are FG related.

 If this isn't the appropriate file where does FG log too?

Dene, send the file to me ( privately ). I will see if it is useful.
It is a file generated by your version of windows. See here for details :
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/rsadmin/htm/arp_rslogfiles_v1_1s8l.asp

-Fred

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RE: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
Fred

 Quoting Vivian Meazza :
 
  Curt
 
  
   Vivian Meazza wrote:
  
   
   Er ... I'm the author of that model: I don't think it's a system
 problem.
   I
   can't get the magnetos to switch on, either by using {} or the
 clickable
   panel. It works under Cygwin.
   
   
   
  
   The controls work as advertised here.  Both magnetos on, both fuel
 cocks
   on, prime five times with I (aka capital 'i', not ell, not one.)  Hit
   the starter and the engine fires to life for me here on linux.  You
   don't say what system you are having problems with ... is it the MSVC
   windows build?
  
 
  Good, I'm delighted that it works as advertised under Linux ... phew. As
 I
  said, works under Cygwin too. It seems to be a MSVC windows build
 problem,
  although I still have one more thing to try.
 
 Could you try the c172 ? It seems to me I tried taht recently. On a french
 keyboard, it is a combinaison of 2 keys but it worked. I will try again
 this
 evening.
 

I was guessing that the AZERTY keyboard might have crept in there. What is
the key combination, I could try that as well.

V.


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Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-22 Thread Frederic Bouvier

Vivian Meazza a écrit :


Could you try the c172 ? It seems to me I tried taht recently. On a french
keyboard, it is a combinaison of 2 keys but it worked. I will try again
this
evening.
   



I was guessing that the AZERTY keyboard might have crept in there. What is
the key combination, I could try that as well.

 

I just tried again. [] and {} are functional. At least the switch move 
and I hear a click, even in the seafire, and I can start the bo105.
The button is also clickable. All this with the same binary that is 
included in fgsetup-0.9.9.exe, but with my CVS base package.

On an azerty keyboard } is generated by 'AltGr' + ')'.

-Fred




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Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-22 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Selon Frederic Bouvier :

 Vivian Meazza a écrit :

 Could you try the c172 ? It seems to me I tried taht recently. On a french
 keyboard, it is a combinaison of 2 keys but it worked. I will try again
 this
 evening.
 
 
 
 I was guessing that the AZERTY keyboard might have crept in there. What is
 the key combination, I could try that as well.
 
 
 
 I just tried again. [] and {} are functional. At least the switch move
 and I hear a click, even in the seafire, and I can start the bo105.
 The button is also clickable. All this with the same binary that is
 included in fgsetup-0.9.9.exe, but with my CVS base package.
 On an azerty keyboard } is generated by 'AltGr' + ')'.

It's ok here after installing fgsetup-0.9.9.exe

-Fred

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Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:07:07 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Sorry, a little reminiscing here, but I am hoping to use my favourite
 workhorse, Concorde, to do circuits and bumps on the Nimitz!

..guys, the  --jpeg-factory  server works for all ports of FG-0.9.9?  
With that, and another box wget'ing the jpeg's, and a wee oneliner,
he can make screen shot movies.  ;o)

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RE: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
Fred

 
 Vivian Meazza a écrit :
 
 Could you try the c172 ? It seems to me I tried taht recently. On a
 french
 keyboard, it is a combinaison of 2 keys but it worked. I will try again
 this
 evening.
 
 
 
 I was guessing that the AZERTY keyboard might have crept in there. What
 is
 the key combination, I could try that as well.
 
 
 
 I just tried again. [] and {} are functional. At least the switch move
 and I hear a click, even in the seafire, and I can start the bo105.
 The button is also clickable. All this with the same binary that is
 included in fgsetup-0.9.9.exe, but with my CVS base package.
 On an azerty keyboard } is generated by 'AltGr' + ')'.
 

I fixed that one - I moved the Spitfire from my cvs directory into the
default directory in the base package, but otherwise unchanged. All OK. Is
there a bug or not?

Vivian


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RE: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-21 Thread MPCEE French Bureau
Hello Curtis:

Windows comes with a debugger. It's an operation in from the IE browser 
Internet Options  Advanced then you can able or disable bugging
information. I use it a lot because of the vast number of sites where the
creators have no idea how to set up script! It will pinpoint the line and
the error. Is this what you have in mind?

By the way, how do I get to the Nimitz or rather where is it?

Thank you


Martin


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Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to
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dene maxwell wrote:

 Hi
 What happens in the code after the Generating Sky Elements message
 is displayed? What external elements could influence the program's
 behaviour in this area? (Screen Res, Clouds, computer peripherals..what?)

 I would down load the source files but I only have dial-up access and
 would still be downloading it when the discussion was about v2.9.9!!!

 I really want to help, but need some guidance to get started


Perhaps turn up the logging level so you can get more fine grained (and
a higher volume of) messages and that might isolate your crash a bit more.

Also useful would be to run the code in a debugger and get the exact
location of the crash, but that's probably beyond what we can ask of
non-developers (especially on windows platforms that don't ship with any
kind of default compiler or debugger.)

Curt.

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Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-21 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Monday 21 November 2005 20:36, MPCEE French Bureau wrote:
 By the way, how do I get to the Nimitz or rather where is it?

On the Wiki there's a Carrier-Howto which ought to answer all  your questions.

http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/flight_gear/aircraft_carrier_howto.cfm?wpid=209315

Cheers,

AJ

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Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-21 Thread Curtis L. Olson

MPCEE French Bureau wrote:


Hello Curtis:

Windows comes with a debugger. It's an operation in from the IE browser 
Internet Options  Advanced then you can able or disable bugging
information. I use it a lot because of the vast number of sites where the
creators have no idea how to set up script! It will pinpoint the line and
the error. Is this what you have in mind?
 



Errr, really?  I really doubt it, but but please prove me wrong, and 
tell us the line and the source file of the error!  It would really 
help.  If you give us something that looks like a screenshot of the blue 
screen of death with registry values and physical memory locations of 
the crash, that is nearly useless.  We need/want to pin point the 
location in the original source code of the crash.



By the way, how do I get to the Nimitz or rather where is it?
 



No idea ...

Curt.

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Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-21 Thread Christian Mayer
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MPCEE French Bureau schrieb:
 Hello Curtis:
 
 Windows comes with a debugger. It's an operation in from the IE browser 
 Internet Options  Advanced then you can able or disable bugging
 information. I use it a lot because of the vast number of sites where the
 creators have no idea how to set up script! It will pinpoint the line and
 the error. Is this what you have in mind?

No. This is a JavaScript debugger that works only on webpages.

We need a real debugger that debugs executables (the exe files). One
comes e.g. with Microsoft Visual Studio (that you can get for free
nowadays).

CU,
Christian

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Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-21 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Selon Curtis L. Olson :

 MPCEE French Bureau wrote:

 Hello Curtis:
 
 Windows comes with a debugger. It's an operation in from the IE browser 
 Internet Options  Advanced then you can able or disable bugging
 information. I use it a lot because of the vast number of sites where the
 creators have no idea how to set up script! It will pinpoint the line and
 the error. Is this what you have in mind?
 
 

 Errr, really?  I really doubt it, but but please prove me wrong, and
 tell us the line and the source file of the error!  It would really
 help.  If you give us something that looks like a screenshot of the blue
 screen of death with registry values and physical memory locations of
 the crash, that is nearly useless.  We need/want to pin point the
 location in the original source code of the crash.

I really doubt there is a native code debugger in Windows. I never found one.
Martin surely refer to debugging CLR code that is a bytecode more or less MS
response to Java. I also doubt it could be useful on the current binary as
debugging informations are not there (  not stripped, simply not generated for
performance reason ).

The only relevant standard tool is DrWatson that only give binary trace and
registers.

What can be done though, is running the remote debugger provided with Visual
Studio. A small exe is run on the target platform. It launch the version of the
program that was compiled with debug information, and a developer connect to the
target site and run the debugger at its side. If someone with problems is
volunteering to play the guinea pig, we can arrange a debugging session.

-Fred

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RE: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-21 Thread Vivian Meazza
Martin

 Hello Curtis:
 
 Windows comes with a debugger. It's an operation in from the IE browser 
 Internet Options  Advanced then you can able or disable bugging
 information. I use it a lot because of the vast number of sites where the
 creators have no idea how to set up script! It will pinpoint the line and
 the error. Is this what you have in mind?
 
 By the way, how do I get to the Nimitz or rather where is it

AJ's advice is good, but I am unable to find a way to start at the carrier
using FGRun. From the Cmd line this works (for me):

C:\Program Files\FlightGear-0.9.9\bin\Win32fgfs --fg-root=\program
files\flightgear-0.9.9\data --enable-ai-models --aircraft=hunter
--carrier=Nimitz --bpp=32 

Hth

Vivian


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RE: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-21 Thread Vivian Meazza
Fred

 
 Selon Curtis L. Olson :
 
  MPCEE French Bureau wrote:
 
  Hello Curtis:
  
  Windows comes with a debugger. It's an operation in from the IE browser
 
  Internet Options  Advanced then you can able or disable bugging
  information. I use it a lot because of the vast number of sites where
 the
  creators have no idea how to set up script! It will pinpoint the line
 and
  the error. Is this what you have in mind?
  
  
 
  Errr, really?  I really doubt it, but but please prove me wrong, and
  tell us the line and the source file of the error!  It would really
  help.  If you give us something that looks like a screenshot of the blue
  screen of death with registry values and physical memory locations of
  the crash, that is nearly useless.  We need/want to pin point the
  location in the original source code of the crash.
 
 I really doubt there is a native code debugger in Windows. I never found
 one.
 Martin surely refer to debugging CLR code that is a bytecode more or less
 MS
 response to Java. I also doubt it could be useful on the current binary as
 debugging informations are not there (  not stripped, simply not generated
 for
 performance reason ).
 
 The only relevant standard tool is DrWatson that only give binary trace
 and
 registers.
 
 What can be done though, is running the remote debugger provided with
 Visual
 Studio. A small exe is run on the target platform. It launch the version
 of the
 program that was compiled with debug information, and a developer connect
 to the
 target site and run the debugger at its side. If someone with problems is
 volunteering to play the guinea pig, we can arrange a debugging session.
 

I can reproduce the 737 problem here at will. I have some spare time
Wednesday, morning or afternoon for a debug session if that would help

Vivian
 


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Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou

2005-11-21 Thread dene maxwell

Hi Curt,
Is c:\windows\applog\fgfs.lgc the right file to look at?
That file comes out at 54kbyte on my attempt to startup. Contains alot hex 
numbers, who is this going to be useful to?


Cheers
Dene



From: Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:23:10 -0600

dene maxwell wrote:


Hi
What happens in the code after the Generating Sky Elements message is 
displayed? What external elements could influence the program's behaviour 
in this area? (Screen Res, Clouds, computer peripherals..what?)


I would down load the source files but I only have dial-up access and 
would still be downloading it when the discussion was about v2.9.9!!!


I really want to help, but need some guidance to get started



Perhaps turn up the logging level so you can get more fine grained (and a 
higher volume of) messages and that might isolate your crash a bit more.


Also useful would be to run the code in a debugger and get the exact 
location of the crash, but that's probably beyond what we can ask of 
non-developers (especially on windows platforms that don't ship with any 
kind of default compiler or debugger.)


Curt.

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