Re: [Flightgear-users] Running FG on win 98(not SE)
Jeremy, Thanks for the suggestions, I will probably download the cd images as $$$ is tight all our income goes into food and paying the mortgage with little left over for things like buying CD sets. A few years ago I would have just ordered of the net or run on down to my local software emporium and plunked down the cash. Now my local software place is at least 100 miles away! I use getright downloader so even if the connection closes I just redial and keep going so I can just download all night and part of the day. I downloaded about 1/2 a GIG last week prior to the crash and it was not too bad. I've got a full spindle of CD-R and lots of time. Too bad I didn't know about the primary partition deal as I followed the instructions for partition magic and I am sure it suggested moving the fat32 partition up. Well that is over as I have recovered all my files from CD and what I could salvage with LINUX. I now have everything I need to do a full install all over again if need be, took me a while to find my monitor driver, scsi drivers for my scanner etc but I now have a list and a few CD's with all program files and patches etc. Yesterday I had two HDD's all formated and running in less than an hour less loading all my software programs so any disaster will only cost a few hours time now. It was a blessing in disguise as I had put off backing up and making CD's of my old system drivers and all that stuff. I'll look at distrowatch.com and see what is suggested but it seems since you either run Debian or know a lot about it that may be my choice. Hope you will not mind if I pick your brain if I get stuck getting it going. Could I use XOSL boot loader? I had that installed the other day and it seemed easy to use and modify. Well it's after midnight and I have to be up by six to feed our flock of ducks, parrot, and finches in the morning so I'll drop a note as to what package I chose to dnload later. Thanks for all the help, Kristin --- Jeremy Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 14 February 2005 02:30 pm, Kristin wrote: Suggestions please, I don't mind downloading another flavor but with a 56k connection I don't want to have to download several to find one that works. Sorry you had problems making room for linux. Linux can be booted from either of your harddrives using the bootloaders lilo or grub or using a boot floppy. You can always uninstall the bootloaders if so desired, e.g. lilo -u. If you create a swap partition, I think that has to be a primary partition. Normally only primary partitions are bootable but lilo can boot linux from an extended partition if necessary. Windows must always be the first primary partition on the primary harddrive or it won't boot--which I re-learned the other day when I switched the WindowsME harddrive from a computer with a motherboard/cpu/memory malfunction into a computer with a Windows98 harddrive. I thought I could use lilo to toggle between ME and 98 but only the primary harddrive would boot. If windows and linux are on the same (primary) hd and you need to reinstall windows using the installation cd, windows will overwrite the MBR (wiping out lilo) so you would have to use a linux rescue cd to reinstall lilo. distrowatch.com is a good place to read about linux distributions. You should probably choose a mainstream newbie-friendly distro. Livecds are usually not designed for installation. Their primary focus is to pack as many useful programs in the available medium to showcase linux. I once installed KNOPPIX livecd on a slow 266MHz PII. However I was missing the sound driver as well as Debian's aptget which could have updated the drivers. So I had to go to the Debian website and download aptget and some other necessary files and manually install them in appropriate directories. If I had used Debian's installation cds I would not have had to deal with KNOPPIX missing parts. Unfortunately it would probably take a week or so to download a full cd over a 56K modem let only several cds. Your best bet is to purchase a basic cd for the installation of your choice from e.g. cheapbytes. Sorcerer has a small ~100meg installation cd which is menu-driven and will give install a very basic command-line linux from which you could then automatically download and install other necessary packages such as a desktop gui. Some very useful packages such as the X-window though might be 20M compressed or so. You might have to download another 100M of packages to get a very basic graphical interface. And you probably should have an intermediate level of comfort with linux. You can probably get your hardware to work properly. I once had a similar monitor problem with an older version of linux. I think I had to disable display power management using KDE's control- peripherals-display until I recompiled the kernel with APM enabled.
Re: [Flightgear-users] Running FG on win 98(not SE)
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:51:25 -0500, Jeremy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Windows must always be the first primary partition on the primary harddrive or it won't boot--which I re-learned the other day when I switched the WindowsME harddrive from a computer with a motherboard/cpu/memory malfunction into a computer with a Windows98 harddrive. I thought I could use lilo to toggle between ME and 98 but only the primary harddrive would boot. ..both will boot fine anytime the white litlle lie they are on the primary harddrive is set up, from 'info grub', 4.2.6 DOS/Windows, the primary harddrivez -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Running FG on win 98(not SE)
On Tuesday 15 February 2005 03:22 am, Kristin wrote: Jeremy, Thanks for the suggestions, I will probably download the cd images as $$$ is tight I use getright downloader so even if the connection closes I just redial and keep going so I can just download all night and part of the day. I downloaded about 1/2 a GIG last week prior to the crash and it was not too bad. I have a 56K connection at home and can sometimes manage 20meg/hr dowload at 4k/s. My sister lives 2 miles away and now has DSL and can do 200k/s so a 655K download can be done in less than a half hour. I saw Verizon laying orange cables down the road so maybe I'll have DSL soon. I'll look at distrowatch.com and see what is suggested but it seems since you either run Debian or know a lot about it that may be my choice. Hope you will not mind if I pick your brain if I get stuck getting it going. Could I use XOSL boot loader? I had that installed the other day and it seemed easy to use and modify. distrowatch lists Mandrake as the #1 distro selected by users. It's not the easiest and not the hardest. It is derived from RedHat. I haven't used RedHat in 4 or 5 yrs. There may not even be a RedHat anymore other than the commercial server edition which with support is $$$. I think that as RedHat/Fedora has gone commercial Mandrake has filled the void for a middle-of-the road non-commercial linux. In any event my first linux which I installed was RedHat 6.2 and it took me a weekend to install. The next installations got easier with automatic hardware identification and configuration. The last RedHat I used was 7.3. I've only tried Debian on two slow office machines that I had tried out with the Koppix livecd. For my home 2.8GHz athlon-xp I run sorcerer and have been very satisfied with it. Having installed both from pre-compiled binaries and from source code I prefer compiling if I have a fast enough computer. It takes longer initially to get a system up and running but then is much easier to maintain and upgrade software thereafter. In any event I would not switch back to pre-compiled distros but if I was new to linux and didn't know vi from ls from cd I would probably choose either a RedHat or Debian variant. Other major distros are probably just as good for your purposes. The smaller specialized distros might not release update cds very often which might mean you would be missing important security updates or nifty new programs and features. As I said, my first experience with linux was through RedHat which now has evolved into Mandrake but I haven't installed a pre-compiled linux in years. Best of Luck. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Running FG on win 98(not SE)
So now I am at the point where I can do almost anything, I might as well put LINUX on a drive so what version is best easiest, and will support my hardware? I'd recommend going to cheapbytes, or osdepot, or some such place and ordering a CD set of the latest Mandrake distro. It's always easier to install from CD's. No guarantees that it will install properly with your hardware, but then there never is. I also recommend that linux and windows exist on different drives. Dave ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Running FG on win 98(not SE)
On Monday 14 February 2005 02:30 pm, Kristin wrote: Suggestions please, I don't mind downloading another flavor but with a 56k connection I don't want to have to download several to find one that works. Sorry you had problems making room for linux. Linux can be booted from either of your harddrives using the bootloaders lilo or grub or using a boot floppy. You can always uninstall the bootloaders if so desired, e.g. lilo -u. If you create a swap partition, I think that has to be a primary partition. Normally only primary partitions are bootable but lilo can boot linux from an extended partition if necessary. Windows must always be the first primary partition on the primary harddrive or it won't boot--which I re-learned the other day when I switched the WindowsME harddrive from a computer with a motherboard/cpu/memory malfunction into a computer with a Windows98 harddrive. I thought I could use lilo to toggle between ME and 98 but only the primary harddrive would boot. If windows and linux are on the same (primary) hd and you need to reinstall windows using the installation cd, windows will overwrite the MBR (wiping out lilo) so you would have to use a linux rescue cd to reinstall lilo. distrowatch.com is a good place to read about linux distributions. You should probably choose a mainstream newbie-friendly distro. Livecds are usually not designed for installation. Their primary focus is to pack as many useful programs in the available medium to showcase linux. I once installed KNOPPIX livecd on a slow 266MHz PII. However I was missing the sound driver as well as Debian's aptget which could have updated the drivers. So I had to go to the Debian website and download aptget and some other necessary files and manually install them in appropriate directories. If I had used Debian's installation cds I would not have had to deal with KNOPPIX missing parts. Unfortunately it would probably take a week or so to download a full cd over a 56K modem let only several cds. Your best bet is to purchase a basic cd for the installation of your choice from e.g. cheapbytes. Sorcerer has a small ~100meg installation cd which is menu-driven and will give install a very basic command-line linux from which you could then automatically download and install other necessary packages such as a desktop gui. Some very useful packages such as the X-window though might be 20M compressed or so. You might have to download another 100M of packages to get a very basic graphical interface. And you probably should have an intermediate level of comfort with linux. You can probably get your hardware to work properly. I once had a similar monitor problem with an older version of linux. I think I had to disable display power management using KDE's control- peripherals-display until I recompiled the kernel with APM enabled. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] Running FG on win 98(not SE)
I am running or trying to run v0.9.8 fg, I have also downloaded SLAX linux Live 4.2.0 (180MB= 12 hrs) and am trying to config my mouse(not sure what com port or how to load mouse driver) linux boots but i have no mouse and am only able to TAB, ALT etc to navagate, it does support my audio and video however. anyone know how to add WINE to the mix??? I suppose I will need to add the modules to modules directory and rewrite the boot loader to call them and the mouse? Help please --- Vivian Meazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My board is a SOYO K7VEMPRO V1.0 with VIA KLE133/686B chipset. Ac97 codec audio. With AMD athelon xp2400+ cpu 256 meg ram. I have a 40GB HDD with about 25 gigs of free space and a 20GB second drive with 10 gigs free. I don't want to kill my system but could either do a dual boot or boot from floppy or CD if that would work. I guess what I am asking is any of my hardware Linux compatible? I also have a CH Flightstick PRO joystick. Which version of FlightGear are you trying to run? Those warnings re clouds were removed some time ago, if I recall correctly. The warning re sound indicates a problem with the sound card driver, as you are already aware. Realtec AC97 is known to have problems in this area. Have you installed OpenAL? So far as I know FGFS runs under Windows 98, but why not upgrade to XP or at least 98SE- your system looks to be very capable. Regards, Vivian __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Running FG on win 98(not SE)
On Thursday 10 February 2005 07:46 am, Kristin wrote: I am running or trying to run v0.9.8 fg, I have also downloaded SLAX linux Live 4.2.0 (180MB= 12 hrs) and am trying to config my mouse(not sure what com port or how to load mouse driver) linux boots but i have no mouse and am only able to TAB, ALT etc to navagate, it does support my audio and video however. anyone know how to add WINE to the mix??? I suppose I will need to add the modules to modules directory and rewrite the boot loader to call them and the mouse? Help please First check that you have /dev/mouse, e.g. ~$ ls -l /dev/mouse lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2005-02-10 12:21 /dev/mouse - misc/psaux Your computer seems fairly new (not ancient) so it probably has PS/2 connectors for the keyboard and mouse. If you're using corded keyboard/mouse then everything should be straight forward. You may need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config But first try running either xf86cfg (gui) or xf86config (text) to configure the mouse. You may have to navigate using the numeric keypad since your mouse isn't working. Specify your mouse from the list of available mice and click on apply. If all works, then save (maybe you should first make a backup of /etc/X11/XF86Config first). If you can't get things working you may have to manually edit XF86Config which is what I did to get my wheel mouse working. I added to the Section ServerLayout the following InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer I also added for my wheel mouse: Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Device /dev/mouse Option Protocol ImPS/2 Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 Option Buttons 3 #Option BaudRate 1200 #This is probably not needed! #Option Resolution 100#And neither is this! EndSection I run sorcerer and FlightGear on a similar system: ASUS A7V600-X motherboard with onboard AC97 audio AMD 2800+ 512meg 120G SATA HD NVIDIA FX5200 Turtle Beach sound card. I have no experience with SLAX livecd. However I've tried RedHat, DSL, Knoppix livecd, LNX-BBC, gentoo and sorcerer. I used to have a Windows/Linux dual boot system but found that Linux was less aggravating. The livecds are an easy way to get to know linux, but unless you install to disk they consume a lot of memory. Once you are familiar with linux you may want to give the source-based distros (gentoo, sorcerer, ..) a try, since you have a sufficiently fast system and sufficient available HD. I use sorcerer (mostly by chance) but have also investigated gentoo. If you've ever tried to update a RedHat or Debian-based system using rpmupdate or aptget and were faced with downloading 100's of megs of dependencies you'll appreciate sorcerer's sdelta feature which just downloads small patches to the source code. Sorcerer features a menu-driven installation while gentoo's installation is more manual, but the documentation (which can be read in an alternate login window (Alt-F?) is excellent. Gentoo can also be installed ready-to-go from the cd without any compilation. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] Running FG on win 98(not SE)
Kristin wrote Running FG on win 98(not SE) I sent some information the other day , since then I have been able to at least get the control panel view up but my keyboard does not seem to operate anything. I tried 9/3 combinations and the page up/down keys to operate the throttle and most other combos with no luck. Also on at least one or two aircraft I get the instrument panel displayed upside down! Last night I downloaded some MS critical updates and today I copied the following from the FGFS dos window. I did have audio the other day, perhaps I need to re-install my older sound driver. Loading # 35 of 51 clouds Loading # 36 of 51 clouds Loading # 37 of 51 clouds Loading # 38 of 51 clouds Loading # 39 of 51 clouds Loading # 40 of 51 clouds Loading # 41 of 51 clouds Loading # 42 of 51 clouds Loading # 43 of 51 clouds Loading # 44 of 51 clouds Loading # 45 of 51 clouds Loading # 46 of 51 clouds Loading # 47 of 51 clouds Loading # 48 of 51 clouds Loading # 49 of 51 clouds Loading # 50 of 51 clouds Loading # 51 of 51 clouds After Load Clouds Before SceneManager::InstancePtr()-AddLight(pLight) Before SceneManager::InstancePtr()-ShadeClouds() After SceneManager::InstancePtr()-ShadeClouds() Audio initialization failed! Unknown exception in the main loop. Aborting... Possible cause: No error After reinstalling the audio drivers I am still back to the lock up problem, I chose the 81 Cessna 2-D, SFO default and everything freezes. One of the other digest responses mentioned dual booting with Linux but I deleted the e-mail. If someone has information on where to download Linux or if my copy of Walnut Creek Linux slackware 96 could be installed and updated I would appreciate it. My board is a SOYO K7VEMPRO V1.0 with VIA KLE133/686B chipset. Ac97 codec audio. With AMD athelon xp2400+ cpu 256 meg ram. I have a 40GB HDD with about 25 gigs of free space and a 20GB second drive with 10 gigs free. I don't want to kill my system but could either do a dual boot or boot from floppy or CD if that would work. I guess what I am asking is any of my hardware Linux compatible? I also have a CH Flightstick PRO joystick. Which version of FlightGear are you trying to run? Those warnings re clouds were removed some time ago, if I recall correctly. The warning re sound indicates a problem with the sound card driver, as you are already aware. Realtec AC97 is known to have problems in this area. Have you installed OpenAL? So far as I know FGFS runs under Windows 98, but why not upgrade to XP or at least 98SE- your system looks to be very capable. Regards, Vivian ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
