Re: FLUXLIST: Calling All Fluxworkers: The Birdwatchers Corner
Excellent stuff, Allen! Alan and Caterina were played on air last Thurday, this Thursday is on hiatus but I will return next wednesday after that. I have some ideas. I would really encourage every fluxlister to think about getting some sound together, it's very easy and a whole different kind of medium. The more the merrier. -e. allen bukoff wrote: Eryk, I can't download alan bowman's mp3 but I am sure this is just as good if not better: a recording of me raking early fall leaves outside this afternoon and intermittently saying "Dick Higgins" (2 minutes and 50 seconds). Get it hear: http://www.allenbukoff.com/sound/rakingleaves2004.html I believe this is the only "sound thing" I have ever done. Cheers, Allen B On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 02:50:34 -0400, Eryk Salvaggio wrote: Hear Ye, Hear Ye! A Call For All Audio Artists or Artists Who Have Audio and Audio That Has Artists WSCA - FM of Portsmouth, NH presents: "The Birdwatchers Corner" hosted by Eryk Salvaggio Thursday Nights: Midnight to Two AM We are calling for any interested artists to submit soundscapes, sound design, radio documentaries, dj mixes, found sound, spoken word etc for on air broadcast Tedium is Tolerated and Excess is Embraced Help Us Fight Money Broadcasting Banality! email: eryk at salsabomb dot com feel free to point us toward mp3s (but please don't email us with them!) Yours -e.
Re: FLUXLIST: Calling All Fluxworkers: The Birdwatchers Corner
Ahhh, you know me- stickler for list etiquette! -e. allen bukoff wrote: Eryk, we have new "rules" on Fluxlist since the last time you were here. It is now considered very bad form to respond to or even acknowledge any of my posts. A word to the wise is sufficient. AB Excellent stuff, Allen! Alan and Caterina were played on air last Thurday, this Thursday is on hiatus but I will return next wednesday after that. I have some ideas. I would really encourage every fluxlister to think about getting some sound together, it's very easy and a whole different kind of medium. The more the merrier. -e. allen bukoff wrote: http://www.allenbukoff.com/sound/rakingleaves2004.html
Re: FLUXLIST: more birds watching!
Wonderful Alan! Your piece was played tonight on the title-and schedule-tweaked "Birdwatchers Report", and I hope to give a listen to the new ones soon... Thank you! Anyone else, keep them coming! -e. Alan Bowman wrote: thank you zoe, eryk and paul! there's another similar piece up now 'deepfear', there's also a midi piece composed from peoples e-mails to me an from the contents of michael leigh's bag! http://xoomer.virgilio.it/n.waugh/ http://xoomer.virgilio.it/n.waugh/ http://xoomer.virgilio.it/n.waugh/ cheers alan typing with one hand, burping the baby with the other! - Original Message - From: zoe marsh To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 3:19PM Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: birdwatching I like it alot! please do more! Here's an mp3 to downloadhttp://xoomer.virgilio.it/n.waugh/environment1dub.mp3 What type of MSN user are you? Take our quick quiz and find out!
Re: FLUXLIST: The Birdwatchers Corner
Not yet, no. :( -e. allen bukoff wrote: Eryk, is this radio station/your show going to be available online? AB Hear Ye, Hear Ye! A Call For All Audio Artists or Artists Who Have Audio and Audio That Has Artists WSCA - FM of Portsmouth, NH presents: "The Birdwatchers Corner" hosted by Eryk Salvaggio Thursday Nights: Midnight to Two AM We are calling for any interested artists to submit soundscapes, sound design, radio documentaries, dj mixes, found sound, spoken word etc for on air broadcast Tedium is Tolerated and Excess is Embraced Help Us Fight Money Broadcasting Banality! email: eryk at salsabomb dot com feel free to point us toward mp3s (but please don't email us with them!) Yours -e.
FLUXLIST: Calling All Fluxworkers: The Birdwatchers Corner
Hear Ye, Hear Ye! A Call For All Audio Artists or Artists Who Have Audio and Audio That Has Artists WSCA - FM of Portsmouth, NH presents: "The Birdwatchers Corner" hosted by Eryk Salvaggio Thursday Nights: Midnight to Two AM We are calling for any interested artists to submit soundscapes, sound design, radio documentaries, dj mixes, found sound, spoken word etc for on air broadcast Tedium is Tolerated and Excess is Embraced Help Us Fight Money Broadcasting Banality! email: eryk at salsabomb dot com feel free to point us toward mp3s (but please don't email us with them!) Yours -e.
Re: FLUXLIST: birdwatching
This is great, Alan. Any more? (And anyone else?) -e. Alan Bowman wrote: Eryk (and other Fluxlisters who may be interested) Here's an mp3 to download http://xoomer.virgilio.it/n.waugh/environment1dub.mp3 It's a 'remix' (ha ha) of a soundscape piece imaginatively called 'environment1', which is part of a series of so far 4 such pieces - cunningly named environment, environment2, environment3 and environment4. oh such imagination! Anyway let me know if you manage to download it. I'm thinking of putting up a different piece every few days. If anyone is interested let me know and I'll mail you when a new piece goes up. alan visit the FREEFORMFREAKOUT ORGANISATION online! http://art.supereva.it/alanfffo.superdada/ yep the freeformfreakout.org domain is still out of service, credit card address conflicts!! bodes well doesn't it?!?
FLUXLIST: Re:
Okay, looks like I'm off this list, too. Cheers, -e. -IID42 Kandinskij @27+ wrote:
Re: FLUXLIST: URL for fffo new york red wine incident!!!!!!!!!
Can I post the Take a Cat piece to my haiku list? -e. alan bowman wrote: dear all, erm, pressed send by mistake here is the information again (with URL!) dear all, the freeformfreakoutorganisation is somewhat bemused to present the freeformfreakout organisation new york red wine incident http://digilander.iol.it/freeformfreakoutorg/newyork/ http://digilander.iol.it/freeformfreakoutorg/newyork/ http://digilander.iol.it/freeformfreakoutorg/newyork/ http://digilander.iol.it/freeformfreakoutorg/newyork/ this site contains a collection of scribbles and texts which go some way to showing the effect of 3 bottles of red wine and half a bottle of prosecco on the FFFO. They were produced in the last of George Maciunas' Fluxhouses, which, obviously didn't do anything to improve things!
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #3
People used to pray to the people they loved when the planes were coming down. Now, we have cell phones; there is something tragic in this improvement, and I do not believe in god or cell phones. Roger Stevens wrote: so, countries who harbour terrorists will be attacked because so many innocent people died we'll make sure we kill a few more along the way... makes sense and it seems to me that there are plenty of terrorists in England, not to mention Ireland, that maybe the USA should bomb us while it's about it... XXX Roger Dragonfly Dream adds - -- While I am not a Christian or a believer in God, I do believe in the power of prayer. I don't really pray the way most folks do but I do send my voice to spirit. Due to our nations tragic loses on Tuesday I am sending a piece of a cyber prayer chain out in the hopes that others might add to the chain and send good wishes, healing, and peace out to the world.
FLUXLIST: fluxus as anti terrorism
I proposed this to other mailing lists but I'd like to present it here as well. My idea is to make an event of eating at a middle eastern owned restaurant in the next week, and possibly on a regular basis afterward, with as many people as you can. 1. It brings money to these businesses which will suffer needlessly as xenophobia inevitably grows rampant, in particular racism against middle easterners. 2. It will make part of their culture, the food, into your own. 3. You will have dinner with your friends, and at this point this should be considered momentous. 4. It shows a solidarity in the face of witch hunts- that we are not afraid, that we believe in people regardless of race, and that we would rather be kind and wrong than vile and right. -e.
Re: FLUXLIST: New Happy Ears
Roger, here are some new Fluxus Scores for inclusion in your book. New Fluxus Scores by Eryk Salvaggio 1. 6 to 8. 2. 12 to 35. 3. 0 to 1. 4. 5 to 9. 5. Love. 6. 23 to 19. 7. 14 to 0. 8. Cancellation due to scheduling conflicts over use of the field. 9. 10 to 1.
Re: FLUXLIST: all's quiet
I always had gools. -e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/12/01 8:42:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Game continues like tag i've often wondered how do you spell gools as in, my gools, 1 2 3 in 'hide and go seek' or in tag, the area you might be touching and be safe from potential taggers gools or gules or ghoules (ghosts and...) guuls gooolesss perhaps this word was indigenous to my area? perhaps all these years i have misheard another word? hello?
Re: FLUXLIST: diastext
This is fascinating Kathy. Let me know if you find out what it is. My guess is its a kind of code talking, notice who it was sent to [white power newsgroups.] But are white supremacists smart enough to know how to use code? Either that or its a hoaxjuts some guy with a random text generator. -e. Kathy Car Trouble Forer wrote: Can someone please tell me what the following is about? I tripped over it a while ago looking for someone and have been waiting for a right time to ask. Our sixth millivoltmeter was to recall Bregman Hattie half his pyrometers. According all a belch it was no armadillo from sanction, all synod though all journey; or considering me he opposite run an insidiously tasteless aggregation among their discouraging identification, a heartbreak who had voted minus my spice. That yachtsman - seventy from a many - nor I have mine unease portray appeasement, and lest categorically escape her severity if badly before informally a balmy collage came your purporting astuteness. My clause modeled to him as we clomped me. Have they heard you? Onto latter fetid zombies, it may be dead unknowing off her bestubbled change either satisfy unless it has properly confirmed me. Regarding nineteen relishes they were beyond the tune, demythologizing onto our adolescence. Their pilgrim wanted opposite him lest we peeked me. Strategically he flattered on a cooling. Either have they not predict towards quite every scandal? He has not been every strange tug. They viewed and expressed once I were aloud inclosed, nor the intereference towards them judged thus wus. Have we vacated us? Behind eight masterpieces they were between every believer, favoring down our college. Zp, before you are a differentiation, chuck that alveolus, or be into no grumble rather thousand good. Have you pioneered us? How do they resent from you soon? Our fourteenth prince was to excite Marshall Katya all your fixers. Spite individual satirical australites, it must be determinedly heroic beside my hebephrenic sportsmanship either decorate like it has outside merited us. Hell, unless I are a fella, keep another topography, minus be regarding the anticoagulation with forty directly. He imagines unless he was fusiform opposite his amity to coalesce its notation within hamburger over how he, beneath their north recurrent assault, had crumpled it a sparkle. It has not been a raucous inure. Sharply it enabled on a harping. This tapis - nineteen along the same - and we have mine wildlife dignify diagnosis, either though conveniently nudge my drainage lest exquisitely whether perhaps no sparse deployment knew her sneaking hotel. Their black developed including me like you leapt him. It has not been no thoroughgoing mask. Without store we summarize to pleasure amongst every structures rupees when we need restrict towards her determing lookout, and it is wordlessly finishes than we have not unselfishly had a culmination pending rumbling it securely if its noncommittal steelmaker. Hallelujah, as they are no sham, poke this must, neither be rather every oppression for two daintily. Following priory they travel to recheck depending every youths restaurants when you shall rescind against their exaggerating polyethylene, minus he is downwind stirs so we have not agreeably had a prolusion of publicizing her impudently because her affable sorcery. Message 2 in threadFrom: NSWPP ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Subject: Electric Utilities Faulted on Y2K Readiness Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power Date: 1999/09/09 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offth=9d75caa2b9cf9a32,31seekm=7315E236.9D47B69C%40welts.com#p charm=magic
Re: FLUXLIST: position announcement 1
That was the best thing I have seen on fluxlist in eternity.. m'lore wrote: position announcement 1 shifting from a sitting position [i] stand up m.
Re: FLUXLIST: test x
Okay. This topic seems done. If anyone else has something disparaging to say about Eric/Tamas, it seems like it's already been said. Lets talk about other things. Has anyone heard anything about the game show exhibit at the Mass Moca? I went there a few weeks ago. It was the first time I had seen any of the fluxus work in person. It also had contributions from a few net.artists and whatnot. At one point, there was the Yoko Ono Nail piece, with the hammers and a bucket of nails, which confused a seven year old girl to no end. She couldn't understand why the nails and hammers were out in the open if people weren't allowed to put nails into the canvas, on account of all of the enormous Do Not Touch The Art signs. It was pretty great, and probably the best critique of Yoko Ono's work I'd heard. -e. John Blower wrote: At 11:32 AM 7/14/01, you wrote: StAubryThomas: Piss off, will you. The High/Hugh is not remotely amusing, and is, in fact, tedious in the extreme. Slide back to your burrow like a good rodent, will you? Now, about planting... High! On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Carol Starr wrote: MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING It's about Parity, Sisterhood, Leave. Hugh! a101a Cheers! John Blower/FeNiKs Business Communications 795 Mammoth Rd, #23, Manchester, NH 03104 V: 603 668 5601 F: 707 220 7490 Trainer at Large/Ace Copywriter http://www.feniks.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FLUXLIST: More marching fo(u)rth
CAKE RECIPE FOR NOAM CHOMSKY 1999 Make a cake. Detonate with explosives. Using only the remnants of the detonated cake, bake a new one. Apply frosting in pattern of American flag. -eryk salvaggio allen bukoff wrote: Last December five corrupt rightwing justices on the US Supreme Court planted the seeds of what increasingly looks and acts like a fascist government. Today we ate cake. http://www.nutscape.com/july4th/cake.jpg
Re: FLUXLIST: i need snail and e
- set up a page asking for the information. - make a list of keywords, search the web for sites relevant to those keywords, and add the contact info to the list. [If it truly is relevant, few people will mind.] - Check email lists for artists interested in the stuff you'll be promoting. Search yahoogroups.com for your keywords. If you can, try to find mailing lists run by universities and school art groups. Just some ideas. -e. alan bowman wrote: Is this a snail mail list or email list? Both, I need an International list of artists, curator, galleries, critics, newspapers, journals and collectors, (Gasp!) for both snail and e mail purposes There is an existing list but it needs updating and expanding, and as i have a bit of free time before i start work proper, i thought i'd begin trying to find out how this is done for myself. (show a bit of initiative, you know!) 1st stop - Fluxlist Thanks for the responses and thanks in anticipation for any future advice :-) alan
Re: FLUXLIST: mailing lists-help wanted
Is this a snail mail list or email list? alan bowman wrote: dear all, i have to compile a (predominantly Fluxus related) mailing list for a gallery the trouble is, i've never done this before and i'm not really sure where to start does anyone have any helpful suggestions? I would be most grateful! Thanks alan
FLUXLIST: 1000 Ridiculous Tragedies
We have the desire to alert the Fluxus [and Fluxlist] community of a new service created by the people who brought you Tanks and Bubblegum, the one38.org website, and the five7five mailing list. This service involves the mailing of several envelopes per year to your home. It is, in its traditions, a variation on the fluxbox, only cheaper, and different. http://www.one38.org/1000/setup.html We will have issues which are organized by various artists- so, if you are interested, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We encourage you to browse our website, which is very different now than you may remember one38.org to be. It would be very good if you went and sent this to others who may be interested.
Re: FLUXLIST: fluxus engineering
And finally, a solid definition of fluxus: Fluxus concentrates on the development, sale, and support of procedures and software tools for engineering and life sciences. These tools and procedures are developed either by Fluxus itself or by cooperation partners or associated institutes and companies. The motivation is to make people's lives easier and safer, and to help fundamental medical research. Fluxus is not high-profit oriented. Instead, activities are strategically focussed onto applied innovative research which are either of intrinsic value (eg engineering safety, medical) or of long term commercial value (eg engineering efficiency). alan bowman wrote: http://www.fluxus-engineering.com
Re: FLUXLIST: the pictures!!!!!!!!
This might be late, but I've found that designing for netscape usually leads to decent results on IE, excepting certain javascripts. -e. Sol Nte wrote: can someone s'plain me why my site worked with IE and not Netscape? then I can try and fix it. thanks to all for your kind comments and patience! Hi Alan, People have already identified the fact that your slashes were the wrong way round. However the best way to avoid stuff not working under Netscape is to install Netscape on your machine as well as IE so you can test in both browsers before you upload. Even then you may still get the occasional error but by and large it makes life a lot easier having both major browsers installed. I know there're a few other browsers out there too like Opera but I think if something works okay in IE and Netscape then it's okay. Of course Lynx is a whole other matter ;-) BTW - Pictures were much enjoyed by me in IE, nice bit of hobnobbing with the flux and famous :- cheers, Sol.
FLUXLIST: Ebay Art
Part of Website Unseen #11 by MTAA, produced by Eryk Salvaggio. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1434614536
Re: Fwd: Re: FLUXLIST: Lumpy Air, or Fluxus e-mail poems
Haha... I came to this thread late I think and have no clue what the hell is going on :) bryne bitte sadist bee ear brian bit ye? said it-- beer brine bit jee sed tit be ear keen put z se t it pe e ar and french stuff... Maybe I don't want to know whats going on? :) Narcissus In Paradys wrote: Shouldn't Eryk have a say in this little ditty? C'mon baker... let's hear it! *Grins* ~Davyde == "When the last human has died, trees shall cover the earth." "Man is the dream of the dolphin." _ Get premier, free, fast, 6Mb web-based email at --- http://www.nabou.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Zen and Fluxus
Aaron, I've sent a text to the list that didn;t seem to make it through but might show up later on or something. Anyway, I have a list you may be interested in which is dedicated to a fluxus-esque variation on the haiku forms. There is an archive here: http://www.one38.org/alphabet/ And instructions for signing up are on http://www.one38.org/lists/ We are limited exclusively to exchange of haiku and haiku variations with no discussion, which excites some people and ostracized others. If you're of the former group, do feel free to sign up. Thanks for giving me a chance to plug. :) -e. Aaron Kimberly wrote: Cecil touchon wrote: Hi Aaron Kimberly, So tell us what you found regarding the connection between Zen and Fluxus. I would love to hear about that. Cecil Touchon Hi Cecil, What I learned in a brief survey of texts I had to condense into a 20 page paper. As with all things Fluxus, it wasn't an easy thing to pin down. But there are so many fleeting references to Zen in regards to Fluxus, that it was an issue in need of expansion. Not all Fluxus members were into Zen, and not all artists/performers who were into Zen were Fluxus. It was important to me to not centralize the movement too much in the US since the contributions from Europe and Asia were important. I had to look, on one hand, to the phenomenon of Buddhists monks leaving Asia to teach in North America and Europe - and the challenges that posed to modernism. Then I also had to look at the introduction of the "avant garde" in Asia where Buddhism was already readily available. I began the paper with John Cage: - his studies with D.T. Suzuki - his use of chance and the I Ching - indiscriminate use of sounds (which included audience participation) - how this related to other art like Abstract Expressionism Then I talked about the George Maciunas paradigm: - cohesively organized, documented and charted - his public/social interests and Leninist influences - I discussed, with the use of a few Maciunas quotations how he used the lingo of Zen, but really didn't embody it. e.g.. his miss-use of words like "Ego" where Buddhism is concerned. However, he also coined phrases like "Neo-Haiku Theatre" which were most useful for my topic. The portable, humorous, elegant, repeatable, iconoclastic, anti-sublime, implicative qualities of Fluxus is where I dive in to Zen. I compare the Fluxus aesthetic of eloquent humour with Zen teaching practices where humour is both an arrow penetrating the ego, and a signifier of understanding. Then, I discuss at length Haiku - especially in conjunction with Yoko Ono and her Instructions. Ono's conceptual use of language is paradoxically used to rest the mind. The viewer must respond intuitively. The empty state, she suggests, is beyond duality. Likewise, the Zen koan is language meant to penetrate beyond the semiotics of language. That's it in a nutshell...a "boy this got long" nutshell. Cheers, Aaron
FLUXLIST: [Fwd: RHIZOME_RAW: sonic flux_sonic circuits VIII (announcements)]
10.13.00 Walker Art Center launches two interactive sound projects as part of Sonic Flux series. http://www.walkerart.org/pa/sonicflux/ This series explores the ideas of a selection of seminal composers and Fluxus artists. This basis for the series was originally inspired by the Sonic Youth album SYR4 Goodbye 20th Century (http://www.walkerart.org/calendar/0006/details/garden2.html ). JOHN CAGE Known for his iconoclastic use of chance-determination in his compositional works, John Cage also worked to create the system from within which the chance operated. As a self-generating system which brings together elements from a variety of Cage's work, the online piece creates a Cagean environment of unforeseen relationships and fortuitous happenstance. STEVE REICH Based on his score Six Marimbas, the online piece demonstrates the composer Steve Reich's use of the phase-shifting principle he is known for. By breaking down the musical structure of the piece into a set of visual elements, some of which are then rotated, the piece allows for creating a shift in time, or phase-shift, between several canons of sound. Produced by Trudy Lane with Jeff Feddersen, Justin Bakse, and Justin Braem, these projects will be demoed as part of the Sonic Circuits VIII Festival, Nov. 2-3, information below. A Yoko Ono project will be launched in March 2001, in conjunction with an exhibition at the Walker Art Center. ++ Thursday, Novembe 2, 8 pm GODARD'S ALPHAVILLE WITH NEW LIVE SCORE BY SCANNER http://www.walkerart.org/calendar/0011/details/SONIC.html The Walker hosts an evening with London-based digital media artist Scanner, who presents a newly scored, live sound-track interpretation for Jean-Luc Godard's classic 1965 film Alphaville. Scanner, internationally known for his digital media manipulation and found-sound scavenging, is also a musician, writer, curator, media critic, and minimalist antihero whose eclectic mix of activities places him at the crossroads of academic and digital pop culture. This live music-film performance kicks off the eighth annual Sonic Circuits festival of electronic art created by explorers on the frontiers of technology. The festival, which runs from November 2-4, features performances, family events, and exhibitions that bring home the surprising degree to which electronic art has influenced people and cultures worldwide. For more information on Scanner and other Beggars Banquet artists, try their Web site. Copresented with the American Composers Forum, Leonardo Electronic Almanac, Futureperfect, and the U of M School of Music. +++ Friday, November 3, 8-11 PM Future Perfect 10: Sonic Circuits VII http://www.futureperfect.org/ at the Landmark Center St. Paul Ambient room :Hosted by Lilith Satoshi Shinozaki, Mike Croswell (Metaphor), Chuck Zwicky, John Vance (Rexor/Wrong). DJ room: Hosted by DJ Drone (dave Jaros), with DJ Chris Mindflux, DJ Andrew, DJ Code Blue and FP mainstay TS Mainstage: Paul Higham , John Jindra , Paul Aiken from Appliancide / Unconditional Loathing, Big Daddy Jr. and the Spook (former Shape Shifter/Ousia/Passage), Susan Rawcliffe, Pop groop Pleasant Stitch, Fred Teasley (Ousia) and a few more yet to be mentioned. All night installations from Zaftig and The Radar Threat. New Media room (curated by Leonardo's Craig Harris) featuring Telemusic #1 by Steve Bradley and Randall Packer. ALSO ON THE WALKER HOMEPAGE (http://www.walkerart.org). Future Perfect: Sonic Circuts VIII will be webcast and broadcast live on TV (cable channel 35 in Saint Paul) Steve Dietz Director, New Media Initiatives Walker Art Center subscribe Webwalker: http://www.walkerart.org/gallery9/webwalker/ Steve Dietz Director, New Media Initiatives Walker Art Center subscribe Webwalker: http://www.walkerart.org/gallery9/webwalker/ + /creative juices flowing...? - Rhizome.org - post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - questions: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/unsubscribe/ - give: http://rhizome.org/support + Subscribers to Rhizome Raw are subject to the terms set out in the Subscriber Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/subscribe/
FLUXLIST: Re: opening today october 12 : pavu.com [GNou Tongs PLan] #4 - TeaSing Fred Party
The pavu guys are so great, you never even need to have a clue about what the hell is going on to enjoy it. :) ".pavu.com" wrote: Dear friends and colleagues pavu.com welcomes you today october 12th in the 'Tea sing Fred' Sofa Desks at 6 pm GMT+2 on IRC. There you'll find the possibility to invite your favourite dance partner amongst some of the net.art most renowned femme fighters for the NEXT TSF Party scheduled for october 19th 2000! Turn to the left! Turn to the right! Step forward and invite your favourite partner on the Dance Floor ! NEXT TSF : http://pavu.com/TSF
FLUXLIST: new announcement list.
New announcement list. http://www.one38.org/tanksandbubblegum/ -e.
Re: FLUXLIST: Tired of Fluxus?
Do you do anything on this list besides trash Ken Friedman? Sincerely. I'm curious. Or art for that matter? Are you still making art? Seems you have a lot of time on your hands, to be so dedicated to trashing Ken Friedman. I'm more fluxus than you or ken. My name is eryk salvaggio. I am sick of people who do nothing but bitch and moan all day. -e. Eric Andersen wrote: One of the problems with the Fluxlist is that it is so much based on mythology and ignorance. E.g Bertrand wrote: "The ridiculous way that Eric Andersen still say that Ken Friedman came to late to be a truly Fluxus artist." I never said that. What I did was to inform the list that none of the artists initially associated with Fluxus ever saw Ken Friedman as an artist. To us he seemed to be an agent and promoter. And that most of us would have preferred that he promoted something else. Also with some satire I pointed to the fact that he claims to have made Fluxus work i 1956, being 6 years old and 6 years before the first festivals in 1962. Be kind enough to quote me correctly. Eric Andersen
Re: FLUXLIST: Tired?
No, cuz I know what I am. haha. The zen version: I know you, but are you also me? -e. John Lorenzini wrote: good for Eryk Salvaggio right on! oh, and I was wondering if you have ever found yourself in an argument that goes a little something like this I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I?...
FLUXLIST: Succesful Performance Artist
Hello fluxlisters: http://theonion.com/onion3633/performance_artist.html I think we'd all get a kick out of this one. -e.
Re: FLUXLIST: performance score
Yes, me too. We all need a publishing house that publishes only crap! How else would I make a living? -e. Narcissus In Paradys wrote: Meryl, I am a young man trying to make a living as a writer. Please send me the mailing address of your publishing house. If all you publish is really crap, I might stand a chance. ~David Streever --- "meryl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I work for a large publishing house (as a production editor). We publish crap. My, oh my, could I send you passages and pages from raw manuscript or 1st pass pages that would bring tears to your eyes. And possibly other body parts as well. We publish a series of mystery novels in which the protagonist is a cat. Mangled cliches are our stock in trade. -- i dream of books made of nothing but misquotes, maplapropsism, mangled cliches, errata,the most seemingly b alnd juxtaposd with the horrific--in short, a kind of National Enquirer piece of "illiterature"! == "When the last human has died, trees shall cover the earth." "Man is the dream of the dolphin." _ Get premier, free, fast, 6Mb web-based email at --- http://www.nabou.com
Re: FLUXLIST: performance score
Reminds me a bit of the REM video for "Stand." 1. Stand in the place where you live. 2. Now face North: Think about direction. 3. Wonder why you haven't before. 4. Stand in the place where you work. 5. Now face West. 6. Think about the place where you live. 7. Wonder why you haven't before. Not too direct a connection to the song but kinda. :) Don Boyd wrote: LAST DAY OF SUMMER PERFORMANCE SCORE by Don Boyd, FLUXUS WEST, 2000 1. Step outside at noon today, September 21, 2000, if you can. 2. Look North, up to the sky, take a deep breath and say, "It was a wonderful summer!" 3. Then turn and look East at the horizon, take a deep breath and say, "Welcome Fall!" 4. Turn and look South at the ground, take a deep breath and say, "This is a great day!" 5. Turn and face West, take a deep breath, look anywhere you want and say what you want. Tkae your time, performance is over.
Re: FLUXLIST: performance score
Ah, well- the REM version was catchier- and you could dance to it! :) -e. Narcissus In Paradys wrote: Actually, sounds like the invocation to the Four Quarters, or the Calling of the Elements. 1. Face the North. Call the Spirits of the North. 2. Face the West. Call the Spirits of the West. 3. Face the South. Call the Spirits of the South. 4. Face the East. Call the Spirits of the East. This form of ritual is ingrained in the subconcious of anyone from any culture- part of the cultural/genetic memory. It has many parallels in many cultures, and the above is only a simplified version. --- Eryk Salvaggio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reminds me a bit of the REM video for "Stand." 1. Stand in the place where you live. 2. Now face North: Think about direction. 3. Wonder why you haven't before. 4. Stand in the place where you work. 5. Now face West. 6. Think about the place where you live. 7. Wonder why you haven't before. Not too direct a connection to the song but kinda. :) Don Boyd wrote: LAST DAY OF SUMMER PERFORMANCE SCORE by Don Boyd, FLUXUS WEST, 2000 1. Step outside at noon today, September 21, 2000, if you can. 2. Look North, up to the sky, take a deep breath and say, "It was a wonderful summer!" 3. Then turn and look East at the horizon, take a deep breath and say, "Welcome Fall!" 4. Turn and look South at the ground, take a deep breath and say, "This is a great day!" 5. Turn and face West, take a deep breath, look anywhere you want and say what you want. Tkae your time, performance is over.
Re: FLUXLIST: What is the Millennial Workbook?
Actually, I'd prefer emailed contributions for the millennial edition. However, my address is: Eryk Salvaggio 8 Diana Drive Salem, NH 03079 David Baptiste Chirot wrote: Dear friend Eryk: thanks so much for the elucidation i will go straight to the Bible and have my life irrevocably changed and be baptised anew in the waters of oblivion seriously though--i have many many old scores o send yr way (as opposed t "old scores to settle"!--gawd forbid we start getting out old hatchets that shd have long ago been buried let alone shot guns and the like, a real feud of the old fashioned variety!) so will get them in the mail s i like so much yr idea of the above all simplicity and clarity away with all the high falatun' ultratechnological special effects blowhardedness of so much of what passes as "spectacle" any more! esp when the true pyrotechnics are provided for us free of charge--though laden with the charge of electricty--in thunderstorm, volcanos, earthquakes, tornados--you name it--avalanches, flash floods-- as wellas outbreaks of deiseases, riots, wars, reigious revivals--you name it we usre do live among a busy world of billions of creatures--humand and nn human--not to metniton spirits and etc--and the wonderful ways of old mther nature! never a dull moment! well i will get these scores off to you-- though i do find verywhere nottations of the most marvelous sort--cracks in walls and sidewlaks, the patnas of dust and rust--arrangeents of rubbihs, the palimptsests of layerngs of posters on telephone poles, tire marks and animal tracks--the caligraphies of tree branche agsint the sky or shadowed on walls--the relfectins of windows moving with the shifts of light-- notations everywhere, singing and signing and ignalling., calling out--urging us to dance or be in call and response! onwo/ards! dave baptiste ps please make sure i have yr address crrect eryck--i believe is in nh? (Live Free or Die)
Re: FLUXLIST: Meeting Fluxlist Members
Aha. I don't recall disliking either of you, just got terrible vibes from the Dennys you chose to meet. I still get complimentary comments about that post. Melissa McCarthy wrote: In regards to a reasonably recent post about the meeting of the Ffunctions and ... oh, now I've forgotten, was it PK? And didn't Allen Bukoff and PK meet recently? I've met Eryk Salvaggio (though *he's* probably sorry about that! :-)). I've also met Jeremy Bushnell, if he's still on the list -- he and I are on our second round of postcard exchanges during the month of February...details if desired. In NYC this past February I met Joy Stick -- her on-line name, real name out of mind just now. Just recently met Reed Altemus, and performed Fine's "Clothespin piece" and Ken Friedman's "Lemon Score" (not sure of title) -- and had good beer and delicious Indian food in the bargain. Also met, through the list, though not sure if he lurks or not, Zac Denton in Atlanta last week. It's always great to put faces with names, and makes for an interesting event in itself, to arrange a meeting, often without phone contact, and no identifying features, and discover other artists. So, anyone in the Northeast: I'm not opposed to *some* travel, and would enjoy meeting others. Planning travel with a layover in Boston? Airport meetings are fun Melissa Lovely in New England this time of year Laconia (central) New Hampshire Melissa McCarthy Hours: whimsical or by appointment Adult, maybe; grown-up, never! [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: Fluxus Workbook: Millenial Edition #1
There are easier, safer downloads at http://www.mp3.com/myamazingrobot But the actual riot-causing recordings aren't there. :) -e. Patricia wrote: Yep, my download got the "dreaded blue screen" error. meryl wrote: Couldn't download your stuff due to (endless) technical difficulties.
FLUXLIST: What is the Millennial Workbook?
The millenial workbook is simply a collection of new performance scripts. The old workbook can be seen, and used, if you're at all like me, as a new religion: http://www.nutscape.com/fluxus/homepage/fpw_indx.html Of course, simplicity of the score is crucial as they are to be performed as music; if you notice, the sparse nature of the instructions is a key piece of the beauty of these pieces. While people are welcome to write scripts for the book, I was hoping merely to "collect" scripts that are already existing. But who amm I to stop the party? If you get inspired by the old school workbook, send one in, wether to the list or to me directly. -e.
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus, of course
ddyment wrote: i lost all hope after someone claimed they were more fluxus than either ken or eric. perhaps it was a joke that i didn't get. That was me. It was true. You don't get the joke. Now I have lost all hope. Tata, -e.
FLUXLIST: Fluxus Workbook: Millenial Edition #1.
I talked recently to Allen Bukoff about the start of a new Fluxus Workbook which would be a collection of scripts archived and treated as a legitimate follow up to the Fluxus Workbook. It would simply be called "Fluxus Workbook: Millenial Edition 1." Yeah, Pompous I know. Script collection begins now. -e.
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus Workbook: Millenial Edition #1.
Apparently Patricia is disturbed by the call for new work to be archived for a new edition of the fluxus workbook. Contrary to popular belief; the ideology of the fluxus movement, as stated by George Maciunas, was to liberate art from everyday life, to abolish legitimacy and aggrandizement of the artist. Fortunately for us, that means that the collection of scripts will not have rules or qualifications. Entries are still being accepted. Patricia has made the first entry: "OH SHIT" FLUXUS PERFORMANCE FOR PATRICIA: 1. Split up the factions. 2. Let them know the rules. 3. Qualify. 4. Call it the Neo-Dada-Fluxlist-In-Flux-Workbook. It was Brad's Ascii art. Confused by objections to progress; -e. Patricia wrote: Oh, please. Actually, I started this with Oh, shit, and probably should have stayed with the scatological reference. Let's call it the Neo-Dada-Fluxlist-In-Flux-Workbook for Those Who Qualify. And do let us know the rules. The qualifications. And the subject matter. And how we split up the factions. And will the performances be in the form of argumentation? I think I'm joining the Bay Area Dadaists, they smile a lot. Oh, and Heiko, thanks for the ascii - it was great. PK
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: Fluxus Workbook: Millenial Edition #1
Hi Josh. It was a typo. Settle down, child. No need to break out the precious quotation books. Maybe the anti-fluxus project should dedicate itself to separating art and life for a while. Some irony might be good for you guys. You obviously need to lighten up. PS: === ANTIFLUXUS EVENT #x+1 FOR JOSH RONSEN: 1. Create No Art without down payments. 2. Construct elaborate explanations. 3. Correct typos with manifestos of ideology. === Josh Ronsen wrote: Eryk Salvaggio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contrary to popular belief; the ideology of the fluxus movement, as stated by George Maciunas, was to liberate art from everyday life, to abolish legitimacy and aggrandizement of the artist. Do you mean "liberate" or "integrate"? I was under the impression that "art" was seperated from "life" and Fluxus activities tried to bring them together, or abolish the distinction, or at least make art "without being raised on a pedestal; it is simple, concrete, and everyone is able to produce it" (Gunter Berghaus). -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: Fluxus Workbook: Millenial Edition #1
yee haw! I ended a show once with a riot...audience storming stage and throwing our equipment offstage...some of the live performances are taped and you can hear them at ftp://quixot.rug.ac.be/MP%26G_11H.dbh%21/MyAmazingRobot/robot.html "Oh Baby" in particular was the tour de farce. meryl wrote: Well, I feel better for having read that (below from Eryk). I was beginning to think it was all in my head (and it may still be), but for a list supposedly interested in what is surely the funniest "art movement" of the 20th century, ya'll sure are EARNEST. I think performing until the entire audience departs and the janitor finally asks you to leave would be a tremendous amount of fun (and a lot more work than you may realize). Argle Bargle BadgerGirl ------ From: Eryk Salvaggio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Re: Fluxus Workbook: Millenial Edition #1 Date: Fri, Sep 15, 2000, 7:09 PM Hi Josh. It was a typo. Settle down, child. No need to break out the precious quotation books. Maybe the anti-fluxus project should dedicate itself to separating art and life for a while. Some irony might be good for you guys. You obviously need to lighten up. PS: === ANTIFLUXUS EVENT #x+1 FOR JOSH RONSEN: 1. Create No Art without down payments. 2. Construct elaborate explanations. 3. Correct typos with manifestos of ideology. ===
Re: FLUXLIST: earthquaketimequestion
1:38 http://www.one38.org What I was doing at: 1:38 Patricia wrote: At approximately 1:38 a.m. on Saturday, September 2, 2000, the earth quaked at the epicenter of Napa County, California, USA, which was approximately 100 miles North of P.K. Harris' overnight stay. (Hi!!! Changing tenses, wait a minute.) I experienced approximately 200 frames (of art) swinging on 4 walls for 8 seconds. Nothing down, nothing broken, just approximately 200 frames swinging on 4 walls. Imagine the sight and sound. And the emotions the event evoked. What were you doing at 1:38 a.m. U.S., Pacific Coast Time, on September 2, 2000? PK
Re: FLUXLIST: poptones record label
This has been addressed before. Simple: Cut and Paste Collage Sanpling, unlikely fusions, a preoccupation with cultural implosion; not to mention Beck says its connected, and by my means of thought, that means it is. Heiko Recktenwald wrote: A simple question: On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Eryk Salvaggio wrote: http://www.poptones.com/sayso.html Has some interesting ideas and artists; some fluxlist people into the fluxy side of music and Beck's record collection What is it that makes Beck so fluxish exept Al Hanson ? may dig it; if you need more incentive, there's Elvez -e.
FLUXLIST: poptones record label
http://www.poptones.com/sayso.html Has some interesting ideas and artists; some fluxlist people into the fluxy side of music and Beck's record collection may dig it; if you need more incentive, there's Elvez -e.
Re: FLUXLIST: Calling PK Harris/NotAllenBukoff
The answer for all of them is of course #2! Carol Star wrote: hi, i don't know anyone in the pix and neither does kikusan or michael so the prize goes to someone who knows them all. glad you had a good time at kinkos. how zany. bye, carol :) Patricia wrote: Is Painting Dead? Oh, and What About Art? - the Quest Continues - So elated over the wonderful conversation Allen Bukoff and I had about the future of Art, repurcussions of Art School and Eryk Salvaggio's future, , yet so depressed over my identity crisis (still confused I might actually be Allen Bukoff, despite the sign I carried to the contrary), I traveled to San Francisco in search of painters. Couldn't really find the aforenamed pigment person, but, in stead, talked with many mail artists, Fluxus collectors, photographers, conceptual artists and zine publishers about this subject and others Can you match the name (number) to the photograph (letter) of the mail artists, fluxus collectors, photographers, conceptual artists and zine publishers in THIS quiz? If you are the first lucky matcher upper girl/guy, you will win an historical graphic work of Post Flux Kinko epehemera, and maybe other stuff, too. http://www.geocities.com/pk_harris/IdentityQuiz.html?967456510260 Best of Luck!!! Not Allen Bukoff (?)
Re: FLUXLIST: Calling PK Harris
I have, in fact, painted three canvasses in my life; two of which were taken by friends and are hopefully treasured possesions. One hangs in my bedroom. One, my favorite, is a photo pasted to a spray painted canvas which was then covered with silver paint marker. I've also painted the occasional warehouse loading dock and supermarket; not sure if that counts. Essentially though I stopped painting as soon as I discovered digital media; though I do have computer assisted drawings which show what happens when one tries to paint with a computer: http://www.one38.org/1993/old1.jpg I was 13 and I'm not sure how seriously I took it. :) Essentially, though, a painting will never compare to digital art until it becomes interactive. And yes, thats a challenge. In the works for one38: A flash or java controlled representation of a canvas which would be the worlds first (I believe) completely collaborative painting. I'll let you know. allen bukoff wrote: hi particia, allen, great pixs. what else did you two clever people do at kinkos. please tell all as it is of great interest We went to a nearby restaurant and spent all of our time talking about Eryk Salvaggio and how we both believe that he will be a great painter someday after he realizes that painting is the ultimate forum for artistic expression and competition. You'll find a glimpse of this future at http://www.fluxus.org/FLUXLIST/people/pkh.html
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havanna
Where does one find the facets catalog? "Porges, Timothy" wrote: Take a look at the Czech movies made in the mid-sixties: Loves of a Blonde, Closely Watched Trains, Fireman's Ball. etc. Dusan Makevejev's early work was done in good old Yugoslavia-that-was. Dziga Vertov might be too pre-everything for you, but he was great and there are tapes available. If you like silents, Aleta, Queen of Mars is amazing. Damn, I might have her name wrong, though. Look at the Facets catalogue: it's organized by country, and you'll find lots of cold-war period work from central and eastern europe. -Original Message- From: Eryk Salvaggio [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 8:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havanna Trying to steer the Cuban discussion into art topica [as revolutionary art is always a fave discussion topic of mine:] Oddly enough, the sundance channel just played "A History Of Underdevelopment," a documentary made in Cuba about the disappearance of hope in Cuba post- Castro It was certainly not an invigorating film, ending with the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Speech Castro gave about how Cuba would not back down, how they were United as a nation, that this was a test of thier independance and unity as a nation- and of course, they backed down. Fitting ending I think... Does anyone know of any other movies made within Communist Regimes? I was fascinated by a look at Animation in the Soviet Union on Bravo's animation festival a while back; but these films seem very hard to find in the USA. mn wrote: A big jail??? Oh, please. The Cold War is over. Would you say the same thing about Mexico? How about any other third world country. How much time did you spend there? Where did you go? Any tourist with $$$ is king anywhere. About a week ago I saw this documentary about Cuba and recycling. It doesn't actually seem like a paradise to Cubans. The embargo kind of sucks. It never cleared to me when the embargo started and when it, if it has, stopped. Me thinks in France tourist with dollars isn't king, but more likely a court jester. At least speaking just Finnish and bad English wasn't adored in Paris back in late eighties. mn
Re: FLUXLIST: poetry and revolution was: havana
"Tis Nobler to never get paid than to bank on shit and dismay." -silver mt. zion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/27/00 12:06:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 'Tis happier to be dead to die for beauty than to live for bread Off with their heads! Let them eat cake! "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees". -- jay marvin http://www.onthecanvas.com/
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havanna
Trying to steer the Cuban discussion into art topica [as revolutionary art is always a fave discussion topic of mine:] Oddly enough, the sundance channel just played "A History Of Underdevelopment," a documentary made in Cuba about the disappearance of hope in Cuba post- Castro It was certainly not an invigorating film, ending with the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Speech Castro gave about how Cuba would not back down, how they were United as a nation, that this was a test of thier independance and unity as a nation- and of course, they backed down. Fitting ending I think... Does anyone know of any other movies made within Communist Regimes? I was fascinated by a look at Animation in the Soviet Union on Bravo's animation festival a while back; but these films seem very hard to find in the USA. mn wrote: A big jail??? Oh, please. The Cold War is over. Would you say the same thing about Mexico? How about any other third world country. How much time did you spend there? Where did you go? Any tourist with $$$ is king anywhere. About a week ago I saw this documentary about Cuba and recycling. It doesn't actually seem like a paradise to Cubans. The embargo kind of sucks. It never cleared to me when the embargo started and when it, if it has, stopped. Me thinks in France tourist with dollars isn't king, but more likely a court jester. At least speaking just Finnish and bad English wasn't adored in Paris back in late eighties. mn
FLUXLIST: poetry and revolution was: havanna
"Revolution is made possible by making hope possible, rather than despair convincing." -Hunter S Thompson If you don't think it is possible to capture hope in art, then I don't know what you are doing in art, no offense. Take a look at the films and carnivals filmed in the middle of Nazi Germany, the idealistic slogans in Czeckoslovakia in 1968, even Andrej Tisma in Sarejevo before he switched to militant insanity. If there is one spark of hope in an oppressive culture, it is the responsibility of the artists to find it, and hope it spreads, and the more little sparks, the more likely there'll be a wildfire. As far as that woman who stopped writing poetry to feed her children- that doesn't make any sense to me. How does a poet stop being a poet? Its impossible. Theres a trick to not losing poetry, its called writing it down. Scratch it into wood. I also find the idea that ones poems are from a finite resource a bit religious and corny. Poetry is everywhere, it is a substance that washes through you like air, all you lose is your inability to breathe, see, or hear. It can't get used up; what an awful idea, perpetuated by the people who have lost themselves and are too tired to find it again. Poetry is not a luxury to a poet; to a poet, its an unshakeable [though beautiful] disease. -e. Kathy Forer wrote: At 11:07 PM -0700 8/25/00, Eryk Salvaggio wrote: But I also have heard, numerous times, of the art there, and all of it deals with the need for the spirits of people to be elevated out of the extreme poverty and structure. Is it possible to address this in art? Even given the need for heroic overcoming, can the artistic spirit triumph in such dire circumstances; If art exists there, it can't be so extremely hopelessly impoverished. Art too can't live without nourishment, it mostly fails in the face of insurmountable extremes. A story about the poet who had to stop so she could feed her children; when they had grown and she had some freedom she couldn't write either, her work had gone, either used up or lost.
Re: FLUXLIST: HAVANNA VOTATION
If narvis gets unsubbed, I leave voluntarily. So maybe you can all kill two birds with one stone -e. "St.Auby Tamas" wrote: High! Should "narvis ...pez" [EMAIL PROTECTED] be expulsed from the Fluxlist for his ignominious, boring, blockhead CIA-blahblah or not? Yes -No - Hugh! a101a
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: havanna
Hm, maybe there is more than one mindset in Cuba? Maybe some people idealize america, and some people idealize Castro? I know that when i was in Amstterdam I found a couple who hated amsterdam- one of the "free-est" cities in the world- and were trying to get back IN to Cuba. But I also have heard, numerous times, of the art there, and all of it deals with the need for the spirits of people to be elevated out of the extreme poverty and structure. Just my two pesos. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not the palce to argue about Cuba. But I will tell you that I have sat in my friends' home and watched American TV (NYPD Blue) on a Russian set. I also know the Cubans can hear US radio because my station gets into Cuba after 12 midnight EST. Enough said. Think what you wish. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:26 am -0400 25/8/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the little game we play with the Cubans: they see American TV and think the streets are paved with gold here, But when they get here they find that it's not so. wrong they didnt see american tv, or european tv, or latinamerican tv they only see cuban tv, one channel, the fidel channel. people want to be free, and construct antenas to see wireless tv or radio, or any signal to bypass this channel People leave Cuba because of economics. not at all they leave because they want to be free If we would lift the embargo things on the island would get better. wrong again there is no one embargo we have two embargos one from usa one from cubans from usa the embargo is economic from cuban is ideological and technological i was there with a group of left-intelectual people we meet with the culture minister he said: "we must stand the shield of our national identity against yanqui imperialism" The Cuban economy grows at about the rate of 6 to 7% a year. It would grow faster if the blockade were lifted. Here in this country corporate interests are now running more and more of most people's lives. Most media i.e. radio, TV, print are owned by big companies with just a few owing most. Read the Communications Act of 1996. The only thing that saves us here is that we have material wealth. But we live in a highly managed society. Latin America would be far better off if this country would keep its hands off. There is no cold war in Cuba. Only the insane economic war between Cuba and the US Most in Cuba are far better off than say their counterparts in other Latin American countries. Viva Fidel! Jay h, jay, did you like fidel? this is because you dont live there. ...pez Ps: a joke one cuban gay said to another "in US people have free expression. any body can said: fuck clinton" "also in cuba we have that: any body can said, fuck clinton too"
FLUXLIST: Art School
The Best Advice for American Art Students: Get the hell out of art school, as fast as you can. Art Majors making art is like Poli Sci Majors getting elected. Find something you love that can influence your art- thats why I am going to school for psychology/comparative religion with a minor in multimedia/literature. The problem with art school is you still end up limited to design jobs and unemployment. Or you teach, which I've heard is the biggest myth since- poli sci majors getting elected? I can assure you that I am happier at in my pretentious east coast university than I would have been at my pretentious east coast arts college; I have friends who have spent time at both and have discovered that both economically and as a matter of personal growth, my friends who (still into art) went into other routes are much much happier. In other countries it seems more likely that one makes a living from art school degrees; where in the USA the NEA budget was gutted in the 80's and even 8 years of "liberal" rule has not seen it returned. Also, its absurd to think that your art can be made better by some institutionalized curriculum. My favorite example is this sound artist working as a teacher who refuses to let students use percussion- no matter what they want to do, simply because she makes ambient music herself. Who needs that? You can find your own way in art. Unless, of course, you are a painter, in which case, go to art school, because you're already fucked. Devon Paulson wrote: I am going to be going to California Instatute of the Arts, affectionatly refered to as CalArts, this fall, so I will have nothing but time to do art. In fact, I am sure I'll be sick of it. I start in about three weeks and am getting more and more nervous. I think it's the money issue more than the work, I mean, I do art every day anyway. Did anybody go to CalArts? I'd like some inside info. disco From: "meryl" Artists are very nearly worthless to most Americans (or so it seems to me). If we don't take time for ourselves when we can, no one will make a gift of it. Alas. I don't mean to sound unduly bitter (yes, she does! oh, what a lie!), but I've been slogging through grant applications all morning. (Ready for the ritual burning right about now, you betcha!) Kiss-Kiss Badgergirl Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Professionalism
Art students have some hope, they're just misdirected idealists. They'll succeed when they quit being art students and just realize they were never better artists than they were when they were five and did the stuff that seemed to make sense in a weird way. Like my first fluxus artifact, age 13, a black frame with a gray corkboard behind glass, framing the word "rainbow" written in black and white. I think some kids come out of grad school for art theory and forget what art is; remembering the mumbo jumbo and continuation of certain schools and practices and the "gradual synthesis of progressive art and traditional forms." Success for an art student is determined by how early you transfer to a liberal arts college. There sure are a lot of art student amorphisms. Anyone else? "You know you're an art student when..." -e. Reed Altemus wrote: AK Professionalism is an anathema. Wearing the trappings of an artist is an anathema. Fluxus Art Amusement is 100% amusement exactly half of the time. The most interesting history of Fluxus is the history which starts with Maciunas and Flynt and ends with mail art, which is an avocation. The most unfortunate part of participating in Fluxlist is that professional artists are allowed to participate also. Words of wisdom today? This list is rife with professionals and art students. I am nearly ready to quit. RA
FLUXLIST: Vegan Fluxus Events for RA
VEGAN VAUDEVILLE (FOR REED ALTEMUS) 1. Abandon animal products. 2. Lose half of your weight. 3. Lose half of your remaining weight. 4. Continue wearing the same sized pants. - FLUXUS FOR VEGANISM 1. Perform any given fluxus piece. 2. Replace all nouns with "Tofu" or "Soy." [as a fellow vegan, I have performed script 1] Reed Altemus wrote: meryl wrote: You're right though, people (Americans in particular)are taught very early on that pleasure is "bad" and that self indulgence is always a sign of weakness. All the flux artists I know of (particularly those most active in the 50s and 60s) seemed to understand this or faked it remarkably well. I There were definitely some drinkers in the crowd- Emmett Williams with his "In Vino Veritas" and Dick Higgins with a borderline alcohol problem. believe that pleasure is at the heart of most good art (well, pleasure and vaudeville to be painstakingly accurate). I believe in total hedonism as a valid "lifesytle" (insofar as I believe in "lifestyles"). Crowley had it right you know, "Do What Thou Will Shall be the Whole of the Law." Good old Uncle Al...one of the last men to know the value of a good sideshow. I used to practice total hedonism. I smoked, I ate meat, watched porno etc.It did bore me after a while though. Now I'm a bit older and I realize that there's was something missing i.e. taking care of my health! So I quit smoking which definitely would have killed me eventually considering how much I smoked. And went vegan for a diet and started excercising. I guess you reach a certain point where you say "Whoa!" I still hate excercising though. One Fluxus proposal by the mail artist Mark Bloch was to walk on a jogging paths and offer the joggers cigarettes. I thot that was very funny. There's always Max Stirner "The Ego and His Own" too. Indeed, blah, blah, blah, woof, woof, woof. Clearly too much time on my hands today. Exactly under the sun Badgergirl (it was Beuys who changed my life. i get the feeling that people don't realize how funny he was.) YEEE! Beuys definitely. I just purchased a set of his postcards and they're really terrific. I did a mock version of his Fluxus Zone West rubber stamp not too long ago. -- RA
FLUXLIST: Friedman and Andersen: Fluxpunks
Eryk Salvaggio is more fluxus than Eric Andersen or Ken Friedman would ever want to be. Ken did not have a gentle sense of humor. [I like Ken. But he did not have a gentle sense of humor.] Eric Andersen does not contribute to fluxus except to complain. This makes me think he is Dutch, perhaps even Belgian. [I appreciate Erics approach to fluxus. I wish he continued it.] The list has unfortunately degenerated since discussion of fluxus history has lost its focus: ironically, I was one of the main champions for a return to the creation of modern work rather than academic discussion of the past. What I longed for was a serious discussion of new work on the level of the old; which Ken did not manage to do very well (old work and new work were rigidly seperated, and no bridge was drawn between the two, in any sort of interesting manner.) Meanwhile, however, the list is now merely production with very little conceptual juice. No offense pals. I like that its a beehive, I just wish we'd take the honey a little more seriously. Ken is gone, and Eric states that Ken claimed to know the only true history of fluxus, but still, Eric hardly steps up to plate to bat his version of various events. A Friedman/Andersen exchange might have been fun to watch. Interesting to learn from; to make up our own minds. Its a shame Ken left the list; but its a bigger shame that Eric Anderson may as well not be here, by his level of participation.
Re: FLUXLIST: Censorship?
FYI, I recieved this email 4 freakin times, so if you are being censored its probably majordomo built in defenses against spam. Eric Andersen wrote: This mail was sent to Fluxlist, Ken Friedman and me some hours ago. Why hasn't it appeared on the list??? Ciao Eric ## High! Actually Ken has unsubscribed from Fluxlist. IPUT recalls the process: 1. On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Ken Friedman wrote: (...) Internet petitions do not work. (...) - 2. Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:42:04 +0200 From: "St.Auby Tamas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fluxlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Internet petitions do not work High! On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Ken Friedman wrote: Internet petitions do not work. Eric Andersen - after extensive research - have informed me that it was the internet petition more than anything else that made the bureaucrats in Sao Paulo Bienal realise the consequences, and reconsider their decision concerning Ivo Mesquita. Hugh! aa --- 3. (Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 07:47:58 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ken Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Offlist note) (...) many of Eric's claims are also sheer fabrications and lies (...) --- 4. Since IPUT doesn't believe in the notion of private, recieving the above "offlist note" by Ken Friedman IPUT have forwarded it to Eric Andersen. --- 5. Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:24:10 -0400 From: Eric Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Offlist note (fwd) Sender: Eric Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "St.Auby Tamas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Tamas, I enjoyed immensly the reaction from your mail-friend in Oslo. Can I tell him that I know about it and how it pleased me? All the bests Eric 6. Date: 28 Jul 2000 To: Eric Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (St.Auby Tamas) Subject: Re: Offlist note (fwd) High, dear Eric! Can I tell him that I know about it and how it pleased me? Sure. Especially, because it's evident for him that you know about it. I would accept with pleasure if you would tell him that Tamas St.Auby is a notorious liar, he is not an artist., not even a non-art-artist., but a monomaniac, boring bureaucrat, who thinks he is the only expert of Fluxus and all, who is an uncurable solipsist - or something like that. Hugh! aa 7. Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:59:26 +0200 To: "St.Auby Tamas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ken Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please keep my private correspondence private if you wish to exchange email. Status: RO X-Status: A Dear Tamas, Why the hell did you involve me in correspondence with Eric Andersen? Private correspondence ought to be private. Now you've started things up again. He doesn't like you any more than he likes me. (...) --- 8. Date: 3 Aug 2000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (St.Auby Tamas) Subject: Re: Please keep my private correspondence private if you wish to exchange email. Cc: Eric High, dear Ken! On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Ken Friedman wrote: Private correspondence ought to be private. I'm sorry, Ken, IPUT doesn't believe in the notion of private. If one shares anything it is immediately ought to be collective in the holy name of Techne. Noone should, can oblige IPUT to keep the shared in private. IPUT enjoys glasnost.y. He doesn't like you any more than he likes me. Yes, we know. It's because Mr Andersen doesn't trust. anymore the secretary of IPUT, because she knew, but - althought she had some obscure love-st.ory with him while they met at a Landsbergis-party some years ago in Toscana) didn't tell to him what Szaraz Belshar wrote to Ben Vautier about him: Eric Andersen is a notorious liar, he is not an artist., not even a non-art-artist., but a monomaniac, boring bureaucrat, who thinks he is the only expert of Fluxus and all, who is an uncurable solipsist.(.) (Well, the laughter exploded when Vautier wrote it to Benjamin Patterson who then wrote it to Mr. Andersen who wrote back that it was him who wrote it first. to IPUT about himself who then wrote to Ms. Belshar - and all this happened during one afternoon between 5 countries . Did you hear that?) (...) - 9. Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:43:03 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (St.Auby Tamas) From: Ken Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Public forum. Dear Tamas, I don't agree with your idea of broadcasting private correspondence, but if you feel everything ought to be public, then go right ahead and publish what you want.
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: fluxpunk
I agree with all these sentiments and was thrilled to see anyone spraypainting 1400's graffitti on the wall. Unfortunately, the end result is that Eryk Salvaggio was fluxus way before Eric Andersen or Ken Friedman were fluxus. :) David Baptiste Chirot wrote: This ongoing discussion re who is the more flux, the real flux, the true flux, the public, the private-- after a while becomes very sad. There is too much to be done to be lost in personal quarrels, which are presented to others as though every one is to take sides in a battle which is not theirs. It reminds me of the military draft, political speeches, campaign mudslinging, negative advertising and the lot. It also reminds me of a period in which I was living in an abandoned house in Cambridge, MA. At first it was just myself and one other fellow--I have written to fluxlist a bit about it in a letter re AM Fine. What I but briefly mentioned in the letter is that after a period of time the place was full of runaways, punk rockers, skin heads, hardcore kids, various comers and goers dropping by for a party. Often the discussion would turn to such topics as--"I was a punk before you were a punk", "I was going to shows before you were". "you didn't meet so and so man, and I did", "I forgot more than you'll ever know about being a punk", "I've been part of more scenes than you have" and the like. "rich suburban kids are punk and hardcore is the people's music". Often nasty fights would break out, first verbal, then physical. These were always followed by prolonged rumour assaults, the making public of private grievances and "secrets" and so on. In moments of anger or drunkness or desperation, friend sold out friend and made matters worse. The spiral of division made for the break up of a community spirit, the breakup of several bands and the eventual arrival of the police, summoned it was often thought by some punks who had the money to just move out to an apartment and let the others take the punishment they deserved. Since I was the oldest person living there, one night I was asked what I thought was a kind of historical figure for punk. I said they had always been around. Someone asked for an historical example--the first person that came into my head was Francois Villon--I noted he was from the 1400s and so not one of the earliest punks, but a good fellow for some punk rock lyrics--and proceeded to spray paint some on the wall, and give an impromptu lecture re maitre Francois. Happily, within days there were borrowed, stolen and second hand copies of Villon floating around. A bunch of us started composing some ballads in the Villon style subject matter to be performed as hard core songs--and making xerox collages again--making use of the life we were leading there instead of worrying about who is more this than someone else, or more that than someone. One of the best parts of fluxlist is that there are so many projects going on--Roger brought out a book, there's the timepiece projects, the alterations of the Josh story, the cookbook, the box, the stationary bicycle event, the Boulez and other projects-- There have also been many good historical postings and much research and documentation done by many--I think of Owen and Reed especially for example--and many others--Alan Bowman's projects, ideas from Alex, Devon, Patricia, Allen Bukoff, Carol, Melissa, Heiko, Erik S.--everyone ones comes across-- It's more constructive to focus on this than on personal quarrels which will only lead to divisions and name calling and decisions on what is more or less "flux", on anger colored opinions, and a Rashoman drama of what really happened according to whom. All this does is involve people in disputes which lead away from work being done, ideas exchanged and a sense of coummunity. Is better to focus on and exchange ideas and information re the historical development of flux, or the actual fluxus works, documentations, events and so on--the scholarly work the constructive work to be done, and the new work to be done building from/with that-- of course it will not be the historical fluxus, it is now something other--yet that is as it is--there is no need to quarrel over the relation of one to the other in the sense of who owns what proportion of the property, as though fighting over the interpretations of a will-- as the saying goes: "Two maggots were fighting in dead ernest/Ernest". It is better to recall the idea of Robert Filliou: "the Eternal Network"-- --dbc
FLUXLIST: Comic Strip
http://infoslut.org/wtm/ A new comic series by Eryk Salvaggio.
FLUXLIST: Dung beetles (was: Prank Phone Call Performances)
Well ann, thanks for that lovely scenario; but what i was suggesting was not that anyone had a responsibility to hear anyone out but that it could in the long term provide a good deal of inspiration and could end up being worth the time. I by no means asserted that anyone should get raped in order to see what they come up with during the endeavor, and I think the tone of your response was absurdly confrontational. (I'm not sure if calling for my rape is a violation of the fluxlist code of conduct, by the way.) My post merely suggestive that, on the thread of transgression, that that which we automatically censor, ignore, delete, can oftentimes be dealt with in a creative manner, rather than to simply ignore, delete, or censor it. You will note that my post dealt exclusively with the value of threats and hang ups and though acknowledging obscenity did not attempt to carry on about its glorious virtue. But now perhaps I should. One person pornography is another persons beautiful documentation of decay; I suggest to everyone on the list the film "Henry Fool" to see what happens when things are treated as filth on account of not understanding them Look at Burroughs, Kerouac, Neil Cassidy, Allen Ginsberg. The beats took obscenity to a whole new level of art; perhaps the deterioration of the values in america and the world will now form a new obscenity that of which fluxlist will deem incapable of transmission and censor, censure and moderate. While in fact I didn't even see the offending post and doubt it was such an attempt at art, what would have happened if it was? Look a little closer at the pile of dung, my friends, one never knows how glorious the beetles inside it will be colored. ann klefstad wrote:
Re: FLUXLIST: Dung beetles (was: Prank Phone Call Performances)
I considered the "lacking empathy" remark a dis, by all means, and found it an unusually strong reaction to a discussion of the phone as a medium. But hey, I guess you can pull that off when you're a list owner. In my experience I have been the target of several prank phone calls, including and not limited to threats of local gang members, jealous former boyfriends of girls I was dating, and the random, useless drunken prank of a random number. The horror, for me, is interesting in that it does serve as an uncomfortable invasion of personal space- the most intimate of spaces, in fact, the ear. To me this proves that the intimacy of the telephone is a very delicate thing; and that which is delicate is a good source of inspiration. If it can provide horror, it should be able, as a medium, to provide bits of beauty as well. I have no idea what that had to do with me being a sociopath, but hey. -e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eryk, I didn't see Ann's post as dissing you at all, I think she was just saying prank phone calls don't seem as artistically interesting to women who've experienced the violence and hatred aimed at them. I don't think she was calling for your rape either, just asking that you -- who seemingly do have a large and wonderful capacity for imagination -- imagine what it would feel like to actually be the target of such violence and hatred . . .
Re: FLUXLIST: happY nEw earS
I second that! It really was a good collection I just got it today and was tres impressed. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many thanks to Roger Stevens for the wonderful compilation of random word text sound groupings or, fluxist-inspired poetry by members of fluxlist a pleasure to have been part of it... thank you again, kindest regards cristine wang
FLUXLIST: [Fwd: RHIZOME_RAW: Interesting item on eBay web site item#365775032: Jessi Buchanan Interactive Art Experience!]
I saw this item for sale at eBay, the world's largest personal trading community, and thought that you might be interested. Title of item: Jessi Buchanan Interactive Art Experience! Seller: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Starts: Jun-23-00 13:35:35 PDT Ends: Jul-03-00 13:35:35 PDT Price: Currently $36.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=365775032 Item Description: Interactive art project!22" x 28" Oil on stretched canvas, signed by the artist. Offbeat, wacky, strange artwork by outsider Jessi Buchanan.(Jessi Buchanan is my brush name. If you buy my art, you can find out who I really am - AS IF YOU CARE!) Here's the deal: you bid on my painting, then email and tell me what you want on it. It's that simple! For example: Bob places the first bid for $.01 and says "how about a cat?" No problem! I paint a cat. Frida comes along and places her bid of $.25 and says "I think a mermaid would be nice!" You got it, Frida! Zoe bids $.50 and says "I hate that cat that Bob asked for, can you put a watermelon on its head?" Your wish is my command, Zoe! Watermelon it is! You get the idea. Bid as often as you want, and suggest more stuff! How far will it go? How many bids will I get? Will I even get one? Time will tell! A couple of important notes:Keep in mind that a bid means that you are committing to buy this thing if you win, however it turns out!Also, I will interpret your suggestions AS I SEE FIT! Hey, I'm an artist! Artistic license! Artistic license! I will begin work on the painting as soon as I get the first suggestion. Then, I'll provide daily updates of my progress. Suggestions will be added to the painting in the order that they are received. Buyer pays $10.00 shipping in U.S. See Other Paintings by Jessi Buchanan Visa and Mastercard accepted through PayPal On Jun-23-00 at 15:21:36 PDT, seller added the following information: Original blank canvas: On 6/23 Cat Boy placed the first bid and requested a big, fat eggplant: On Jun-23-00 at 16:54:42 PDT, seller added the following information: On 6/23 Janet wanted a fish: On Jun-23-00 at 18:47:20 PDT, seller added the following information: Lemurgurl asked for a...you guessed it! A lemur! What a surprise! On Jun-23-00 at 19:58:54 PDT, seller added the following information: SPHN asked for a couple of plastic army men shooting the eggplant. "Die eggplant!" they scream: On Jun-24-00 at 06:10:21 PDT, seller added the following information: Lori wants a jack'o'lantern crying for the eggplant: On Jun-24-00 at 12:38:53 PDT, seller added the following information: This page is getting too big, and it's taking too darn long to load! Hit reload on your browser to see the latest version of the painting. To see a summary of the first day's action, click HERE! On Jun-24-00 at 12:53:06 PDT, seller added the following information: Janet wants an earring on something, and leaves the choice of where to put it up to me. Hmmm, that lemur sure has big ears... Cat Boy is back! I'll let him put it in his own words: "Boys will be boys, but aren't those green army men getting a little hungry by now? Wait! Look over there! I see their mother calling them to dinner! She's tempting them with a cherry pie!" puddlewonderful says "can you fit your VAMPIRA on there somewhere?" On Jun-24-00 at 21:07:33 PDT, seller added the following information: SPHN says "I believe my army men drove up in a 1976 AMC Pacer. Most of them were painted lime green, or turquiose? in color. Great if the door was open, showing their half eaten corn dogs on the seat. The men didn't realize they were coming on to the eggplant enemy when they started eating lunch." I decided to exercise my artistic license on this one and paint the Pacer as the special red, white and blue Bicentennial Edition - with the rally package interior! On Jun-24-00 at 21:38:29 PDT, seller added the following information: To see a summary of the second day's action, click HERE! On Jun-25-00 at 06:08:20 PDT, seller added the following information: Eric says "I'd like to see a mobile home maybe in front of the Pacer." Well, this might not be what you have in mind, but when I hear "mobile home" I think Airstream! A 1953 Airstream Flying Cloud, to be exact! On Jun-25-00 at 07:27:05 PDT, seller added the following information: bigsidfan says "I would like to see Godzilla, who is mad at the army men (they always manage to mess with him when he's busy stomping Tokyo)." I have opted for the original guy-in-a-suit Godzilla, not the whimpy 1998 CGI movie lizard. Notice that he is holding one of the army men: this explains the mysterious "third corndog" in the Pacer. On Jun-25-00 at 09:01:30 PDT, seller added the following information: Metatron says "I want peter pumpkin eater saying "that gourd sure is sumthin' fine" to the weeping jack o' latern" Metatron ups his own bid to say "i also wanna see a bust of Karl Marx
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: trial [freedom from transgression]
If Piss Christ was transgression for transgressions sake, it did a good job: It managed to be beautiful and offensive at the same time. "if the revolution is not beautiful it is useless." Accidental discourse is really the only kind. everything else is masturbation. -e. ann klefstad wrote: Transgression as an end in itself , as a gesture, is empty. The negative dialectic fits the contours of what it is meant to critique so tightly that it supports it.
Re: FLUXLIST: wild horses couldn't drag me away
This is brilliant. Consider this a second to any motion it may call for. David Baptiste Chirot wrote: First-- In joining any list, one is made aware of the rules and guidelines of the list. One enters into a contract with these in joining. Of course, with time and experience, one may find oneself disagreeing with the tenor and tenets of the list. This often happens. An interesting question would then be, how to work for a positive, constructive change, if one cares enough about the issues and events of the list--how to effect this--without resorting to "flaming" or to simply leaving and beginning a new list, which may incorporate those changes one sees fit and inviting others to join this. The bottom line is that one is aware from the outset of the guidelines, rules--and has entered into a contract of one's own volition. (Unless of course coerced by say, having to join it for a class or peer pressure etc) That said, the issue of the censored person--any question of censorship is disturbing. Two other lists I am on have had to deal with this--one decisively, according to its tenets, the other indecisevely, and the problem drags on. In that way, the flamer (as in "flaming asshole", often--: "he's a real flamer"--meaning this)--the flamer has accomplished her/his goal and made buffoons of the others. Eventually, this too leads to censorship, but in more hypocritical fashion. There is a Zen parable relating to this idea of "beating a dead horse": A master and his pupil are on a journey through mountainous and deeply forested country to an isolated temple. On the way, they encounter a a dangerous, rushing stream. A beautiful young woman stands at the edge of one side, with a heavy sack. She is afraid to cross, though she must. The master puts her atop his shoulders and carries her across. They part ways, she taking another path. Many miles and hours later, the pupil says to the master--"why did you pick up that woman? Isn't it against our vows?" The master replies: "I put the woman down at the edge of the stream. You have been carrying her ever since". As a child I often noticed the strange fact that very intelligent people often yearned to demonstrate their intelligence--whether it was of their own conception and self-proclamation or bolstered by "proofs" in the way of tests, grades, degrees and so on-- they yearned to prove this by argumentation. Rapidly, the principles and questions of the arguments were abandoned, and it became a clash of personalities. Victory would somehow prove not only intelligence but a certain kind of might. "Might makes right"--"the squeaky wheel gets the grease"-- And so one received one's first lessons in sophistry and rhetoric. Thinking of this question of "putting principles before personalities", came across an interesting quote from Kierkegaard, cited by the Surrealist painter Andre Masson in an essay called "Painting is a Wager" (written in 1941 and included in THEORIES OF MODERN ART Edited by Herschel Chipp. Berkeley: U Cal Press, 1968; 436-40. The Kierkegaard quote is appended as a note by Masson, p. 440). I think it applies well to the kind of arguments and such that employ mere power plays connected with personalities rather than an essay in the action of a generative questioning and understanding of actions, events, questions, examples--and lead to more thought and work rather than the excruciating noise of ever louder amplifiers, leading to demogogery and the like. (Demi-god-ery for example.) Kierkegaard: We must not take the word contradiction in the mistaken sense in which Hegel used it and which he made others and contradiction itself believe that it had a creative power. Though personally I often enjoy the "witz" as Bertrand calls them (jokes) and participate in them, I also, like Bertrand, joined the list hoping to find a continual learning and opening up of questions which are involved with the history and events and ideas and objects of Fluxus, and their relations with other art/performance questions. Also, one hopes to contribute to this-- The agreement or disagreement is not so important as what one may find--and be able to make use of! Which raises the old question of the artist/maker as thief-- or--speaking of wagers as Masson and someone on the list did--that famous wagerer Pascal's proposition that "it is not the elements that are new, but the order of their arrangement". Which bears on the question raised on the list of the constancy or not such of nature--the question entropy/negentropy. (Two good books on this are: ART AND ENTROPY by Rudolf Arnheim (U
Re: FLUXLIST: Trial by e-jury
If you don't like america, Brad, why don't you go to China, see how you like it there! Bertrand et Claudia CLAVEZ wrote: FREE BRAD BRACE NOW!! LET HIM GO OUT OF THIS CENSURED PLACE NOW!! as he seems to ask for... bertrand
[Fwd: FLUXLIST: How many listserv discussion list subscribers does it take tochange a light bulb?]
Forwarded from John Hopkins at Neoscenes: -- How many listserv discussion list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? Answer: 1,331 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light bulb has been changed 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs 53 to flame the spell checkers 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to another list 203 to demand that cross posting to other lists about changing light bulbs be stopped 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts *are* relevant to this mail list 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs 33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too." 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversey 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ 48 to propose new change.lite.bulb newsgroup 47 to say there is already an alt.light.bulb newsgroup 143 to ask if anyone ever did change the lightbulb --
Re: FLUXLIST: art stories, puns, silly jokes
Not sure if this got in yet, but the Warhol burger cooks in fifteen minutes. while the DamienHirstBurger is loaded with preservatives.. (ugh. This is giving me a stomach ache. :) David Baptiste Chirot wrote: Yes and when dinner was served, where did Vincent van Gogh? On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Patricia wrote: Gosh, I forgot the thrill of the Rauschenberger, studded with capers... Patricia wrote: However, the FrancisBaconBurger can be very tasty, and kinda makes ya salivate while you dive into it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Monet-onnaise was French cuisine until I read the message dated 6/20/00 9:16:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] who wrote: don't forget lettuce, tomato "manet's"...-r
Re: FLUXLIST: Faith vs Art ( was Lord H's reply to 6 things)
Blah indeed. Make first, ask later, and hope you hit a sacred cow somewhere along the way, thats where the art comes to life- without aim and without intention just some revolutionary accidents + some brave mistakes however, I supsect a lot of left-leaning people don't fully "get" my "clean" avant-garde explorations because it doesn't kill any sacred cows of the right Bla.
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: Allen Bukoff
"Allen Bukoff" is actually a collective of artists in Prague. It means "Fluxus Indian" in Czechoslovakian. Don Boyd wrote: Ronsen, Josh wrote: Is Allen Bukoff a Willem de Ridder prank? No, Josh, Allen is very much himself.- Don
FLUXLIST: Sacred/Holy Cows
And maybe the "holy cows", if they are to be attacked, are better hit, par hasard. But I dont know of any "holy cows" worth to be attacked now. Maybe labor etc... Starbucks. Mass Media. The Gap. Dr Laura. Religion. Atheism. US Cultural Warfare. Nihilism. Money. Consumerism. Advertisements pandering to children. McDonalds, Disney, Etc. Big Tobbacco. Exploitation: Women, Men, Animals, Environmental. Maybe some of these things are not sacred cows and maybe the damage they pose is minimal- sky scrapers are as natural as trees- but they are sacred cows. Everything should be questioned and I make this statement not because I believe in the core of meaninglessness and absurdity but because when you question everything the real meaning of life becomes more apparent. Call it God if you want- I ain't. It would be interesting to work on a Fluxus Direct Action Score Book for Political Change and Education. Base it on neither left or right wing politics but as a horizon-widener. Creative solutions to sacred cow worshippers. Changing the world through art- like guerilla gardening, for example. Seems Fluxus to me. Maybe not. Maybe its 138 again.
Re: FLUXLIST: fluxus research or fluxus parody?
"All the authentic Fluxus artists consider the Fluxlist to be a truly absurd parody." But isn't it true that all the authentic Fluxus artists consider FLUXUS to be a truly absurd parody?
FLUXLIST: free art games 2
All Creation is an Act Of Destruction: Guerilla Gardening and Grafilthy. 1. Graffilthy * Graffitti's natural progression: Super Soakers, filled with paint, creating a Jackson Pollack Landscape. The differential between art and reality meets an all time union. * The new Militant left declares a war and fights it with the combination of childish things (vandalism, waterguns) and artistic tools (paint, guerilla art.) Inherently it is a satire of the Militant Right. * Graffilthy has merged with performance art on several occasions. Wearing goggles, bicycle helmets and kneepads, on a bicycle with a water gun, an unidentified Graffilthy Perpetrator runs through town ringing his bell and spraying paint. * Even authorities are disinterested, going so far as to refuse to call it "vandalism." Teachers, College Professors, Doctors and Dentists have all remarked on its prettiness. The landmark bridge was coated with pastel paints, which remain today. * As with any underground art movement, there are rumors abound: that the graffilthy movement is sponsored by the city as part of the desire to modernize Boston. That news reports have identified it, with its proper name. http://beaconhilltimes.com/times_feature4.mv?2425 http://one38.org/graffilthy/ 2. Guerilla Gardening: The Response to Graffilthy * Balance is an essential piece of any artistic endeavor. As a result, there is a new flipped version of graffilthy: Guerilla Gardening. * Groups of youths with Ski Masks and pick up trucks jump from the truck into traffic circles, parking lots, sidewalks, with green watering cans seeds. Rakes if neccessary. The seeds are planted and the location is placed on a Map. * The groups care for these seeds on a daily basis in the same manner, though often for the sake of convienience the spectacle is reduced, and shifts are rotated. * Soon, the city is overrun by broad, colorful splashes of paint at eye level, and legions of self-perpetuating flowers on the ground. Its Relation To The Internet: Through the internet, both movements have been able to become inexplicably intertwined with the street cultures of various cities that it would perhaps never reach otherwise. Streetwise is slowly coming to mean net.savvy, and previously local scenes for Graffitti artists are getting smaller- increasing the desire to top a larger collective pool. This means an essentially immense increase in the collective quality of graffitti artists. When one gets up in Utah, one can also be seen by the artists in London. Essentially, net.savvy has led to a desire to literally have a style war with everyone in the world. As a result of this networking, which has occured for several years, though now, with cable and computer access more popular than ever before, it has reached an all time high. The product of this has been the formation of the Graffitti Avant Garde. Graffilthy is aware of the internet, sharing the same ideologies that Graffitti and the net share: the desire to be seen, to put forward art and ideas instead of merely recieving them from established sources. Just as early electronic music and Graffitti were tied together, the internet and Graffitti will enjoy in the 21st century a symbiotic relationship which could change the realm of internet art to involve a more direct sense of action and real-time, non virtual results.
Re: FLUXLIST: fluxus research or fluxus parody?
My personal definition of Fluxus, which, I have learned, is but one in the multicolored rainbow of Fluxus- is simply: Fluxus As Haiku. "Art which connects or generates a moment of direct insight into nature or psychology." This is based on my fluxus as haiku theories of yesteryear, and by no means is it a complete definition, its been enough to keep me happy. There are smaller aspects that I have enjoyed however: Fluxus as Imploding Anarchy. = Fluxus as a response to sociological constructs of order by creating its own order: Ie; inventing new games and limitations in order to supersede, compliment, or ridicule the rules of our established social order and fabric. Fluxus as Outsider == To create with the flux umbrella gives one the right to explore ones personal creative motivations as opposed to the continuation of the art worlds academic discourse. Unfortunately, this has not held very purely among the remaining fluxus artists, who have now created a fluxus discourse on its own. Leading us to: Fluxus as Anti-Fluxus To be truly Fluxus in the post-Maciunas world means shunning any desire to be accepted by the remaining group, it means an ignorance of discourse (not an ignorance of the work, mind you, but a deliberate ignorance for academic discussion of the work) and it means playing with fluxus in the way that fluxus played with the art world: knock it down, respect it, mock it, destroy it, contribute to it, add to it, delete from it. (Is this discourse? Maybe- but for the love of god, never concern yourself with "discourse.")
FLUXLIST: poetry
The butterflies have got a secret agenda. They want to kill us all with chaos theory Shatter our televisions with electrical storms forcing us to stare at each other by candlelight listening to that typhoon tapping against our windows. They conspire as caterpillars and go underground, preparing and training like Iranian Guerillas or the guys who kidnapped Patricia Hearst. In summer, the revolution begins opening wings like the flames of riots Shattering our beer bottles, to show us real intoxication; stealing our glances from hamburger gardens and the clean glass shopping malls. Kamikaze Butterflies! they refuse to eat; a hunger strike for our souls A propaganda campaign against human anxiety and they beg us to join their army.
FLUXLIST: haiku list
All this poetry has made me check the registration roster for the haiku list at egroups.com, and I don't see many fluxlist people. The place is ideal for those writing scripts, events, or poetry based on direct insight into nature (haiku) or psychology (senryu) Syllable Count is meaningless as its a very open list- currently involving cut ups, birdwatching hints and sunflower seed instructions There is no discussion whatsoever (less ego) just poetry- responses are sent to the individual writers If there is anyone interested in subscribing to send works or just to get a batch of zen in thier inbox on a daily basis just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This isn't spam I promise :) but if you know anyone who might be interested please spread the word. -e.
Re: FLUXLIST: HIDING EVENTS alan bowman 1999#8
These Hiding events are absolutely terrific. Its good to see work on the list.
Re: FLUXLIST: As seen on TV
YES! allen bukoff wrote: Think I should turn this into a rubber stamp? Name: seen.gif seen.gifType: GIF Image (image/gif) Encoding: base64
FLUXLIST: Query
Anyone (Canadians?) know where I could get information
on what multimedia artist katarina soukup ("radio bicyclette")
is doing these days? I saw radio bicyclette in amsterdam and
found it to be perhaps the most compelling work of art I have
seen, perhaps ever.
-e.
FLUXLIST: Easter, The Avant Garde, and Alban Berg
Due to its outline form, this text may not be properly formatted for all programs. Apologies in advance. A. Easter Rabbits and Early Work. 1. Feet. a. Create two enormous cardboard feet. b. Cover them with pink paint and glitter. c. Lead them from an easter basket out to the street. d. Stop at a train track. e. Sprinkle red paint liberally. 2. Fertility. a. Fill plastic easter eggs with: 1. condoms. 2. altered textbooks images of women giving birth to chickens. 3. altered text book images of chickens giving birth to rabbits. 3. Background: a. Third and youngest member of the Second Viennese School b. Early life 1. Born into a well-to-do Viennese family 2. Began composing songs while in his early teens 3. Circle of friends included other artists and intellectuals a. Painters: Gustav Klimt, Oskar Kokoschka b. Writers: Stefan Zweig, Peter Altenberg 4. Studied formally with Schoenberg 1906-1910 B. Easter Baskets and Chamber Concerto for Piano, Violin and 13 Wind Instruments 1. Yellow: "The Biohazard" a. yellow easter basket. b. green artificial grass. c. A plastic bag filled with used tissues from the previous year, ground into a powder. 2. Blue: "The Childrens Gift." a. Marshmallow Peeps. b. An assortment of candy bars. c. A chocolate rabbit. d. Orange Chocolate. e. Various inexpensive cards and trinkets. 3. Red: "Untitled." a. Pages are cut from "Mille Plateaux" by Gilles Deleuze, "Alice in Wonderland" and "Peter Pan," as well as "Walden Two" By BF Skinner. b. Pages are pasted in random order via paper mache into the form of a three foot tall rabbit holding in one hand an easter egg and in the other, a phallus. c. The paper mache creature is set on fire and videotaped. The video tape is treated as the artwork itself, and is stored in a bag containing the ashes. 4. Chamber Concerto for Piano, Violin and 13 Wind Instruments (1925) a. Use of architectonic construction b. First movement (theme with variations): 240 measures theme 30m.variations: 30, 60, 30, 30, 60m. (respectively) c. Second movement (240 measures) 1. Arch form 2. Second half recapitulates material of the first half in reverse d. Third movement (Rondo) 1. 480 measures in length (balances out mov't 1 2=480m.) 2. Music of first and second movements are combined. C. The Easter Egg Hunt. 1. The Hiding Places. a. an easter egg is placed inside the carcass of an infertile steer. b. an easter egg is placed inside a womans vagina, and is removed during menstruation. c. an easter egg is placed in with various "regular eggs," thus bridging the esoteric and divine. 2. Inside the Easter Egg. a. a plastic easter egg contains the disembowled head of a chicken. b. various haiku poems. c. various texts about consuming the body of christ, with egg yolk. d. jelly beans. 3. Stylistic differences with Webern a. Webern typically uses a single row rigidly for a single composition. b. Berg alters the row from movement to movement in the Lyric Suite. c. Diatonic aspects of Berg's tone rows: 1. Sequences of rising or falling 5ths. 2. Sequence of rising or descending scalar passages. D. Lent. 1. Abstinence. a. eat no meat during lent, besides fish. [Alban Berg Information by David Papandrew.]
Re: FLUXLIST: cheery poem
OH, and here I had thought it was because rainwater, when under the third full moon and, having buried an egg under an oak tree, would make one pregnant! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: let your raincoat be a laugh Wouldn't that lead to a high rate of pregnancies? Sorry, don't understand - is this a language/ translation thing? Sorry. "Raincoat" is slang for prophalactics (spelling?) -- those rubber sheaths used to restrain conception.
Re: FLUXLIST: passion for fashion
Flux Clothes (Unrealized Potentialities) 1. A Hand Bag Made of Human Hands. (Note: This artifact is never to be manufactured) Flux Clothes: (Realized Potentiality) 1. A Hand Bag A group of young women in lab coats and black glasses follow an attractively dressed, fashionable woman around for an hour, using thier hands together to form a purse which behaves in the same fashion as any store-bought hand bag, including the holding of objects. SHERRY wrote: so apparently I need to focus in my painting 3 class. However I'm no good at exhausting ideas I like beingscatteredaround. but i have to focus cause I'm commanded to and it might be goodforme, who knows. Well, I'm doinga fluxus clothing line. So far I've bought this cheap pleather micheal jackson thriller like jacket and have painted Maciunas's face on it and Flux you! above it in metal letters. Very punk rock. Next to follow is Yoko ono on the butt of a vinyl skirt and again flux you (sorry to sit on her face, really :O). I was thinking maybe you guys could buzz around some ideas for me to get my gears going. Anything goes. I'llbe displaying them by wearing them with my friends although my prof keeps insisting on somesort of gallery thing. Well I'll focus but galleries... pllph! any ideas reactions are welcome, focus! SHERRY * *** *** ***http://absurd.poc.net *** *** Revolution: it's a good way to revolt *** ??? * * ??? $ !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*?*?*?*!*!*!*! *
Re: FLUXLIST: MP3
Gerald O'Connell wrote: - well, I already started one such interactive project - the twist being that I'm collaborating with myself over an 18 year time gap ! I've been digging into my archive back to 1982 and discovering stuff I'd forgotten, and then taking samples from it and reprocessing the original material with contemporary stuff blended in. Whoa. Thats awesome. I am suddenly quite happy that I keep all the wavs of my electronic music stuck on CD, especially lately, as the music I have been making is extrememly representative of the time span I am making it in. In a few years, I'm sure it would be wonderful to see how where I was then has taken me and "remix" the work accordingly. The music is quite nice, as well, you may consider mentioning the manner in which it was made on your site. Also, since so many fluxlisters are working with MP3.com, why not set up a "fluxlist" station, where we set up a stream of various fluxlist music. Maybe change the "DJ" every week. Sambience at http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/85/lives_of_angels.html is the first such opus. Unsettling. I feel like a medium raising his own ghost... I like this idea of a collaborative approach, with several people building up a track by email or whatever... Gerald O'Connell http://www.wonderport.com
FLUXLIST: My Amazing Robot
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/85/my_amazing_robot.html The first fluxlist house band is now on mp3.com enjoy!!!
