Re: FLUXLIST: Re: On the disagreement
this is really reminds me of the old hat about what is dada and who is dada. history repeating its dada. why not be a flux ? flux away!cheers!On 19/07/06, Madawg Painterofdark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It baffles me.. why one would feel that they> need/want/deserve/feel> in-titled to the fluxus label on their work or> selves.> DavidWhy in the heck not put the label of Fluxus on your work if you want to. By saying that it's this or thatlimits it. The whole point is that it's free (at leastfor me). We've got enough art police on the arthistory channel. I do a lot of work that isn'thistorically accurate fluxus but it still is Fluxus to me-because I feel that it is in my heart. That makesit Fluxus! Fluxus is not a thing you can pointto-which is why I resist in calling it an artmovement.It may mean something else to Allison Knowlesor Ken Friedman but they're not here right now are they? I am here right now and Fluxus is what I say itis here right nowand I say its Weetabix...sothere..Madawg__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: On the disagreement
> It baffles me.. why one would feel that they > need/want/deserve/feel > in-titled to the fluxus label on their work or > selves. > David Why in the heck not put the label of Fluxus on your work if you want to. By saying that it's this or that limits it. The whole point is that it's free (at least for me). We've got enough art police on the art history channel. I do a lot of work that isn't historically accurate fluxus but it still is Fluxus to me-because I feel that it is in my heart. That makes it Fluxus! Fluxus is not a thing you can point to-which is why I resist in calling it an art movement.It may mean something else to Allison Knowles or Ken Friedman but they're not here right now are they? I am here right now and Fluxus is what I say it is here right nowand I say its Weetabix...so there.. Madawg __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: FLUXLIST: Re: On the disagreement
Is this "The" David, Allan? -Don ( I'm sorry Fluxlisters. I've been gone five days and reading my 200 plus emails, 10 of which might be relevant. Perhaps I should go to page 15 first?) http://www.donaldboyd.blogspot.com/ http://fluxuswest.blogspot.com/ http://fluxusmuseum.blogspot.com/
RE: FLUXLIST: Re: On the disagreement
There really is no special reason that one should "feel that they need/want/deserve/feel in-titled to the fluxus label on their work or selves". But there is also no special reason that should prevent one using the label either. Like all labels, the Fluxus label can potentially supply information and disinformation simultaneously. Labels are like avatars or shortcuts. If someone says that they produce Fluxus work, or Fluxist work, or Fluxus inspired work you have a good starting point for understanding their work. If a person describes herself as a Fluxus artist one will (assuming one knows what Fluxus is/was) have a good idea about the kind of art that person produces - on the other hand the label in this case might also lead to confusion as the "Fluxus Artist" may or may not have been associated with Historical Fluxus. For example, Yoko Ono is a Fluxus artist who no longer (to my knowledge) creates Fluxus art, whereas Allen Bukoff may also be a Fluxus artist, but he became associated with Fluxus post-Maciunas. Then there is the large group of us who create Fluxus-inspired art which can be described as being Fluxus, Fluxus-like, Fluxus or womething else. I don't think that it is inaccurate for any of these artists/writers/performers to describe themselves as Fluxus artists. I think that the description of Fluxus as "an attitude" remains most useful. It allows for the historical entity of Fluxus that existed until 1978 - while also allowing for the living Fluxus being created from the late 1950s until (and beyond) the present day. Fluxus is (and was) always in flux, changing and evolving, and like Intermedia, it exists in more than one dimension simultaneously. There is the historical dimension, the attitudinal dimension, and a taxonomic (what kind of object) dimension to Fluxus - what Fluxus "is" depends on the dimension being described. Allan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 10:10 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: FLUXLIST: Re: On the disagreement It baffles me.. why one would feel that they need/want/deserve/feel in-titled to the fluxus label on their work or selves. I wouldn't consider the things that I make and do to be Fluxus, rather I might note that my inspiration and theory is sometimes derived from fluxus or more accurately parts of fluxus, Just as some folks associated with Fluxus were inspired by, shared and developed theories that stemmed from DADA and earlier Avant Gardes or the idea that Cage transformed Duchamp's ideas of the ready made and distinction into his ideas on music and composition (4'33") Why do we need to use Fluxus as a label? I taught a section on Fluxus in a 3d design/intro to sculpture class a few years ago. I had my students research Fluxus starting with Dick Higgins 'A child's history of Fluxus' all the way up to the 'Performance Workbook'. They were then asked to develop their own Fluxus scores and perform them the next class. The results were wonderful and I was really amazed at how much they understood the material and made it their own, though I wouldn't consider my students to be Fluxus artists. They were inspired by Fluxus and what they did was create works derivative of the ideas and formats they found in Fluxus. Even though we may make works that stem from the ideas in fluxus, We can't just call ourselves Fluxus artists. So where is the solution? Are we Fluxus or are we not? Who is Fluxus? How do we distinguish between the fluxus of today and the fluxus of yesterday? Owen has a very nice way of doing this, he describes what he does as not fluxus but 'fluxist'. For me Fluxus is an idea that seems to permeate the lives of those who discover and continue to research it and it continues to spread and mutate into many forms and ways of doing things. -David
FLUXLIST: Re: On the disagreement
It baffles me.. why one would feel that they need/want/deserve/feel in-titled to the fluxus label on their work or selves. I wouldn't consider the things that I make and do to be Fluxus, rather I might note that my inspiration and theory is sometimes derived from fluxus or more accurately parts of fluxus, Just as some folks associated with Fluxus were inspired by, shared and developed theories that stemmed from DADA and earlier Avant Gardes or the idea that Cage transformed Duchamp's ideas of the ready made and distinction into his ideas on music and composition (4'33") Why do we need to use Fluxus as a label? I taught a section on Fluxus in a 3d design/intro to sculpture class a few years ago. I had my students research Fluxus starting with Dick Higgins 'A child's history of Fluxus' all the way up to the 'Performance Workbook'. They were then asked to develop their own Fluxus scores and perform them the next class. The results were wonderful and I was really amazed at how much they understood the material and made it their own, though I wouldn't consider my students to be Fluxus artists. They were inspired by Fluxus and what they did was create works derivative of the ideas and formats they found in Fluxus. Even though we may make works that stem from the ideas in fluxus, We can't just call ourselves Fluxus artists. So where is the solution? Are we Fluxus or are we not? Who is Fluxus? How do we distinguish between the fluxus of today and the fluxus of yesterday? Owen has a very nice way of doing this, he describes what he does as not fluxus but 'fluxist'. For me Fluxus is an idea that seems to permeate the lives of those who discover and continue to research it and it continues to spread and mutate into many forms and ways of doing things. -David