RE: FLUXLIST: What is fluxus? (sigh)
I don't think I'll be reading any Art News reviews seriously for awhile. -Don http://www.donaldboyd.blogspot.com/ http://fluxuswest.blogspot.com/ http://fluxusmuseum.blogspot.com/
Re: FLUXLIST: What is fluxus? (sigh)
from Art News: Fluxus is an art movement based on the ephemeral with one-time performances and do-it-yourself kits made with pieces of paper,handwritten notes and bits of string. I guess I'd better get started on my string project... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: FLUXLIST: What is fluxus? (sigh)
Fluxus is a base movement on the ephemeral performance with one-time kits, and do-it-yourself pieces of paper, made with handwritten string and bits of art notes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Madawg Painterofdark Sent: 25 March 2006 20:24 To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: What is fluxus? (sigh) from Art News: Fluxus is an art movement based on the ephemeral with one-time performances and do-it-yourself kits made with pieces of paper,handwritten notes and bits of string. I guess I'd better get started on my string project... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 24/03/2006
FLUXLIST: What Is FLUXUS?
FLUSS , Stream, Changes Nothing stays the same for a long time Magnetic FLUX Fluxus is alive Fluxus is buried Fluxus is changing Don't repeat yourself Keep doing new things. Keep the FLUX Ruud Janssen °´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*´° Travelling Art Mail IUOMA P.O. Box 10388 5000 JJ Tilburg NETHERLANDS http://www.iuoma.org MAIN INFORMATION http://iuoma.blogspot.com MAIN BLOG http://tampublications.blogspot.com PUBLICATIONS http://tamruud.blogspot.com PROJECT http://www.fluxusheidelberg.org FLUXUS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since 28-6-2002 there is a Group home page : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iuoma where all members can join and leave messages. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18-3-2005
RE: FLUXLIST: What Is FLUXUS?
I first heard of Fluxus in the late 1960's. From the little I knew of it, it was the use of simple materials to make ephemeral objects and events. I thought that there was an Eastern element in the thught and feeling. With time, I became aware that it was also involved with having an idea involved with the objects/event--a conceptual approach, combined often with humor. This of course from vague and sketchy knowledge-- A gull is wheeling by outside my window. Circling the quiet Sunday streets, checking out the trash left from saturday's action. With the streets in Sunday quiet, the gull is free to roam the pavements, the alleys, the streets. Only a few staid churchgoers are out, and they never disturb the solemnity of the Sabbath. The gulls know this and keep wheeling, honking now and then in the cold breeze. I pour ink that friend gave me, a wondrous gift of bottles of Parker from France. Pouring out onto the imprinted and incised clay, putting down paper, making prints of street-found images, word and letter fragments, sketches of abandoned language and site/sights/cites, to bring them forth with care and attention. They sing of touch, the passing touch of hands, and sign presence passing, from the cave paintings on through time--they live in this and also in their own moment. All these events take place in a continual flow. Memories, images, dreams, the immediate scene. The body moving. The heart and all it aches with. I want to touch things not there, yet vidily with me. Each gesture, each line carries this in itself--perhaps secretly, perhaps peripherally. It is there, seen and unseen. "The world as we see it is passing." "The One whose Oracle is at Delphi neither speaks nor concels but gives signs." "The most beautiful world is a heap of rubble tossed down at random." "Look under your feet." What does this have to do with Fluxus? It is the gulls, the air, the pavements, the passersby, the parking lot, the shifting light, the ink, the clay, the ltterings, the incsied forms the hands, the eyes, the body. These are al presnt in the present--as apresent--a gift, found. That moment to me is fluxus--this simulataneity of things in movement. There is the element of mysticism (Taoism) and also of the conceptual--that is, what the materials lead the hands to form, the eyes to see, the ears to hear. The materials themselves are filled with ideas there to be found and danced with. I know my sense of Fluxus has nothing to do with what may be written in all the books on it I have seen and never read. (Sometimes I think I should--but that day has yet to come.) To me it is simply the acting in time--and the making of this--ephermally--and also as a score. It is a way of life that is a way of making--from a gesture never to be repeated to a notation in paint, a rubBEing in lumber crayon. I would say that the one thing of all the things called usually Fluxus that I know well of and practice is Mail Art. To me this is freedom in community/communication. In that way I also feel Fluxus forms a community/communication. To be a Fluxus person is to participate in this, share it, and keep moving onwo/ards. There is ever at each instant this movement. Fluxus is in the movement and in the moment. The only of the old guard Fluxus I ever met was Dick Higgins. We spoke of scores, notations, the visuality of this.I happened to have at that moment--we were riding subway inEdmonton, Canada--a copy of the SIX FILLIOUS scores book. He had a broken arm at the time (June 1997). I also heard him give a talk re visual poetry and make proposals re organizing it in some fashion, as part of an academic discipline. I was opposed to this, and found it to be to me if I would look at it now,(and as I did then, in regards to visual poetry) --I would think of it now as non-Fluxus. I just lit a cigarette with a square blue lighter. The smoke curls in the air coming in through the window, in the fragile light of a Milwaukee March day. That to me is a Fluxus event--right here in this moment, this epemeral smoke as I also am making a notation of it. (Writing to you--now--of this as it happens.)I can turn and make with ink and paint and clay and paper also --mixing in the cigarette ashes as they furl and fall--a notation of this event--the Cigarette Smoking Event and its Event Score. That to me is fluxus From: "Ruud Janssen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: FLUXLIST: What Is FLUXUS? Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:52:57 +0100 FLUSS , Stream, Changes Nothing stays the same for a long time Magnetic FLUX Fluxus is alive Fluxus is buried Fluxus is changing Don't repeat yourself Keep doing new things. Keep the FLUX Ruud Janssen °´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*´° Travelling Art Mail IUOMA P.O. Box 10388 5000 JJTilburg NETHERLANDS http://www.iuoma.org MAIN INFORMATION http://iuoma.blogspot.com MAIN BLOG http://tampublications.blogspot
Re: FLUXLIST: What Is FLUXUS?
When I clicked on the link I got a message saying the file couldn't be found - must be Fluxus. Reid On Sunday, March 20, 2005, at 04:26 AM, Crispin Webb wrote: http://www.crispinwebb.com/mac/apan1.mov I am trying to make some video as a web project and have found a way to make a file very small tell me if it loads ok.. crispin is that fluxus or academia --- Ruud Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FLUSS , Stream, Changes Nothing stays the same for a long time Magnetic FLUX Fluxus is alive Fluxus is buried Fluxus is changing Don't repeat yourself Keep doing new things. Keep the FLUX Ruud Janssen °´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*´° Travelling Art Mail IUOMA P.O. Box 10388 5000 JJ Tilburg NETHERLANDS http://www.iuoma.org MAIN INFORMATION http://iuoma.blogspot.com MAIN BLOG http://tampublications.blogspot.com PUBLICATIONS http://tamruud.blogspot.com PROJECT http://www.fluxusheidelberg.org FLUXUS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since 28-6-2002 there is a Group home page : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iuoma where all members can join and leave messages. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18-3-2005 PLEASE CHECK OUT MY WEBSITE http://www.crispinwebb.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
RE: FLUXLIST: What Is FLUXUS?
And I got a QuickTime window with no image or audio. The message was waiting for www.crispinwebb.com... Very Fluxus, no? Allan ar -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Reid Wood Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:52 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: What Is FLUXUS? When I clicked on the link I got a message saying the file couldn't be found - must be Fluxus. Reid On Sunday, March 20, 2005, at 04:26 AM, Crispin Webb wrote: http://www.crispinwebb.com/mac/apan1.mov I am trying to make some video as a web project and have found a way to make a file very small tell me if it loads ok.. crispin is that fluxus or academia --- Ruud Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FLUSS , Stream, Changes Nothing stays the same for a long time Magnetic FLUX Fluxus is alive Fluxus is buried Fluxus is changing Don't repeat yourself Keep doing new things. Keep the FLUX Ruud Janssen °´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*´° Travelling Art Mail IUOMA P.O. Box 10388 5000 JJ Tilburg NETHERLANDS http://www.iuoma.org MAIN INFORMATION http://iuoma.blogspot.com MAIN BLOG http://tampublications.blogspot.com PUBLICATIONS http://tamruud.blogspot.com PROJECT http://www.fluxusheidelberg.org FLUXUS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since 28-6-2002 there is a Group home page : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iuoma where all members can join and leave messages. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18-3-2005 PLEASE CHECK OUT MY WEBSITE http://www.crispinwebb.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
Re: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
Yes indeed. And I hope you've seen the film of Ack's story made by Sleeze Steele - quite amazing, they actually made the suit. John At 01:30 PM 5/26/2004 -0400, you wrote: Ah...something to go with Al Ackermans Vienna sausage suit! We could even cook up a food-based fashion show. Sure, it would probably smell pretty bad Or better yet, we could waste a lot of time planning it, but never quite accomplish anything! Hands up those of you who remember the Miss General Idea pagent. BG From: John M. Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/05/25 Tue PM 12:49:49 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? How about sewing all those omlettes together to make a suit? John At 12:35 PM 5/25/2004 -0400, you wrote: Hullo RS! Well, you know, all this is you am or is you ain't my fluxus stuff bores me silly. Besides, I've been spending a lot of time working with butter and eggs. Now, I've got an entire room filled with omlettes that I don't know what to do with. I'm thinking insulation. Or possibly Ebay. Perhaps a bathmat. Also, I've just changed my email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I've been trying to get majordomo to accept my new application. Oh Mr. Bukoff... can you give us a little help in this direction? And you, Roger Dodger? Are you well? Kiss Kiss Badgergirl -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um... __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___ __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___
Re: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
Ominous, I would say. Although, some days I'm just really easy to invoke. Other days, well, less so. BG That's twice I've thought of you in the last week. Weird, eh? -Roger -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um...
Re: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
Oh, yes please!! I've got a slew of badgers I owe letters to. Perhaps I'll send them the omlettes as well (although I know they prefer Oreo cookies smeared with jam, as do I). I will send you something useless and flat in return. Badgergirl From: michael leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/05/25 Tue PM 02:55:33 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? ---Are the omlettes badger shaped? I only ask because I've just discovered a badger shaped notebook made especially for the National Trust( I think its made from recycled badger hair) and possibly they would buy the badger shaped omlettes from you for use as bathmats, coasters or doilies? Its worth thinking about. Anyway, the badger shaped notebook is yours, Badgergirl, if you want it? I don't know why I've kept hold of it for so long because the chances of me ever writing to a real badger are very slim. Michael badgergirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hullo RS! Well, you know, all this is you am or is you ain't my fluxus stuff bores me silly. Besides, I've been spending a lot of time working with butter and eggs. Now, I've got an entire room filled with omlettes that I don't know what to do with. I'm thinking insulation. Or possibly Ebay. Perhaps a bathmat. Also, I've just changed my email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I've been trying to get majordomo to accept my new application. Oh Mr. Bukoff... can you give us a little help in this direction? And you, Roger Dodger? Are you well? Kiss Kiss Badgergirl -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um... Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
Re: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
Ah...something to go with Al Ackermans Vienna sausage suit! We could even cook up a food-based fashion show. Sure, it would probably smell pretty bad Or better yet, we could waste a lot of time planning it, but never quite accomplish anything! Hands up those of you who remember the Miss General Idea pagent. BG From: John M. Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/05/25 Tue PM 12:49:49 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? How about sewing all those omlettes together to make a suit? John At 12:35 PM 5/25/2004 -0400, you wrote: Hullo RS! Well, you know, all this is you am or is you ain't my fluxus stuff bores me silly. Besides, I've been spending a lot of time working with butter and eggs. Now, I've got an entire room filled with omlettes that I don't know what to do with. I'm thinking insulation. Or possibly Ebay. Perhaps a bathmat. Also, I've just changed my email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I've been trying to get majordomo to accept my new application. Oh Mr. Bukoff... can you give us a little help in this direction? And you, Roger Dodger? Are you well? Kiss Kiss Badgergirl -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um... __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___
RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
Badgergirl asks - And you, Roger Dodger? Are you well? I am indeed, thank you. I was visiting an infant school in Shoeburyness today and saw a road sign which said Beware of Badgers. Well, actually it was a red triangle which simply said Badgers. I would have stopped to photograph it but I was in a stream of medium to slow moving traffic at the time. That's twice I've thought of you in the last week. Weird, eh? -Roger -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um...
RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?/the Badger State (where i live)
Esteemed Ones: with all the tlak of badgers-- i like iin the Badger State--Wisconsin, usa-- the mascot/image of the sports teams (formidable ones i may add--including 3 Rose Bowl wins in last ten years and several Big Ten Championships in american college football)--are called The Badgers--and the mascot is "Bucky Badger"--for his buckteeth--ferocious forward strolling on two legs badger--! once wrote to ask badger girl if she was from Wisconsin--but isn't-- i grew up in Vermont, the Catamount being our mascot--a wild cat that is supposedly extinct yet occaisionally still claimed to be sighted-- i live in Milwaukee --the mascot/symbol of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee is a black panther--and Marquette, in a very controversial decision, changed from being the Warriors, which offended American Indian groups, to the Golden Eagles-- the State Motto is: forward have always liked that one--in which of the four directions moving forward?--towards where?-- well, as the song says, "On Wisconsin"--!follwoing our Badger leader-- From: "Roger Stevens" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:47:04 +0100 Badgergirl asks - And you, Roger Dodger?Are you well? I am indeed, thank you. I was visiting an infant school in Shoeburyness today and saw a road sign which said Beware of Badgers. Well, actually it was a red triangle which simply said Badgers. I would have stopped to photograph it but I was in a stream of medium to slow moving traffic at the time. That's twice I've thought of you in the last week. Weird, eh? -Roger -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no!That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um... Get 200+ ad-free, high-fidelity stations and LIVE Major League Baseball Gameday Audio!
Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?/the Badger State (where i live)
In a message dated 5/26/04 3:28:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i like iin the Badger State--Wisconsin, usa-- I thought it was Michigan???
RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
Hullo RS! Well, you know, all this is you am or is you ain't my fluxus stuff bores me silly. Besides, I've been spending a lot of time working with butter and eggs. Now, I've got an entire room filled with omlettes that I don't know what to do with. I'm thinking insulation. Or possibly Ebay. Perhaps a bathmat. Also, I've just changed my email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I've been trying to get majordomo to accept my new application. Oh Mr. Bukoff... can you give us a little help in this direction? And you, Roger Dodger? Are you well? Kiss Kiss Badgergirl -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um...
RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
How about sewing all those omlettes together to make a suit? John At 12:35 PM 5/25/2004 -0400, you wrote: Hullo RS! Well, you know, all this is you am or is you ain't my fluxus stuff bores me silly. Besides, I've been spending a lot of time working with butter and eggs. Now, I've got an entire room filled with omlettes that I don't know what to do with. I'm thinking insulation. Or possibly Ebay. Perhaps a bathmat. Also, I've just changed my email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I've been trying to get majordomo to accept my new application. Oh Mr. Bukoff... can you give us a little help in this direction? And you, Roger Dodger? Are you well? Kiss Kiss Badgergirl -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um... __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___
RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
---Are the omlettes badger shaped? I only ask because I've just discovered a badger shaped notebook made especially for the National Trust( I think its made from recycled badger hair) and possibly they would buy the badger shaped omlettes from you for use as bathmats, coasters or doilies? Its worth thinking about. Anyway, the badger shaped notebook is yours, Badgergirl, if you want it? I don't know why I've kept hold of it for so long because the chances of me ever writing to a real badger are very slim. Michael badgergirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hullo RS! Well, you know, all this is you am or is you ain't my fluxus stuff bores me silly. Besides, I've been spending a lot of time working with butter and eggs. Now, I've got an entire room filled with omlettes that I don't know what to do with. I'm thinking insulation. Or possibly Ebay. Perhaps a bathmat. Also, I've just changed my email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I've been trying to get majordomo to accept my new application. Oh Mr. Bukoff... can you give us a little help in this direction? And you, Roger Dodger? Are you well? Kiss Kiss Badgergirl -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um... Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um...
RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um...
Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
Let's talk about Fluxus. Our Great Friend Ben Patterson, whose 70th birthday is to happen on May 29th, has decided to celebrate it on the summit of the mount Fuji. As he likes to do things well (doesn't he? Owen, Alan, Ken, you can join in here ;-), As he hates planes, As he still embodies, among others, the very pure flux of fluxus (which means an incredible mixed-up of heteroclit stuff that-has-something-in-common-somewhere-and-represent-the-Grace-in-itself-but -nobody-knows-what-or-how, one-can-just-feel-one-is-at-the-perfect-place-to-be-at-the-very-moment-one-h as-to-be,doing-the-exact-thing-to-do-to-add-some-more-beauty-to-our-world-th at-most-of-people-won't-notice-even-though-anyone-can) As he knows his Little Fluxus Illustrated by heart He has decided to get up to there by the Transsiberian first, then by the Transmongolian, then by ferry-boat, then by train, then by foot . Three details: He left from Berlin, where Emmett Williams and Ann Noel brought him to the train He will perform about 30 fluxus concerts all along the way to Japan, realizing though a very old dream of Maciunas (for the ones who really cares, see the planned schedule for Fluxus concerts in the very first fluxus newsletter (around may 62) in the catalogue FLuxus etc.) He has financed the whole operation all by himself (he sold out a very nice graphic about the project and put his own money for the remaining expenses) You can check that on our website at http://www.4t.fluxus.net/40p-a-lo.htm and it's even in English ;-))) But the very, very, very nice thing, is what Our Great Friend Takako Saito did when she learned about Ben's project. She sent him some seeds in a very nice and fragile box, (the one she usually uses to perform Silent Music) that Ben will have to realease on Mount Fuji once at the top. This already so nice. But she did even better. She sent seeds in very nice and fragile boxes to the closests friends of Ben , and asked them to release them on the 29th of May, in his honour. To me this is actual secret Fluxus. In fact the actual Fluxus Bertrand - Original Message - From: Alan Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 3:30 PM Subject: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? secret fluxus thank you for an interesting and eloquent response. re: Discussions of history, criticism, or theory occupy a tiny fraction of list volume - significantly less than 5%. List members seem to consider the suggestion that we discuss these kinds of issues from time to time a bad idea. We gather that this has been the case on Fluxlist in the past. I don't think that this is viewed as a bad idea, however problems have arisen due to the sheer nature of fluxus. a major problem, i feel, is that due to an inherent need for classification fluxus has become something that it never actually was. this is a point that i have made before. in my opinion fluxus can not be viewed as a single entity, a group, a movement discussions of history, criticism etc is that often all we hear is the same thing, repeated over and over again. i admit, i have not come up with anything new myself and am more than willing to listen. also, many of the participants of the fluxlist are artists in their own right, working in a very wide range of disciplines. they create, perhaps their energies are focused elsewhere, i know mine certainly are. many of us have read widely around fluxus, others are concerned with certain areas or artists, many listmembers have been involved in recurring fluxus discussions - perhaps it's just that many of us are waiting for something new to pop up. i personally dont see the point of rehashing old arguments, we can refer to the archives for that. the influence of 'fluxus ideals' on contemporary practise is more interesting to me as it brings up the 'what is fluxus?' question, which i've already stated - i haven't seen an answer which satisfies me as yet (hopefully, owen, bertrand et al can join in here) alan
Re: FLUXLIST: What is Fluxus?
George Free wrote: Actually, I didn't find this account that idiosyncratic. For example, Eric's effort to distance Fluxus from what Maciunas tried to define it as is one that can be found in varying degrees in a lot of the original accounts of Fluxus. I must say that Eric's participation on Fluxlist often left me disappointed but this article was pretty interesting from several points. whilst one can distance from Maciunas I think the whole Fluxus phenomenon would not have happened without him, he was the engine if you like..and Fluxus was the car that had been around for years (ideologically) but now it could finally go somewhere. As with most experimental art it leaves precious few traces unless someone shouts about it and Fluxus was born out of Maciunas's desire to shout about it. The thing to remember is that Maciunas did define Fluxus and whilst one can distance Fluxus from Maciunas in some ways it does not take long before one arrives at a completely different place. Let's be honest without Maciunas we would have just had Neo-Dada Festivals instead of Fluxus Festivals. I thought the point that Fluxus represented what was possibly the first international organization of artists was interesting. That's one of the most impressive things. I appreciate Eric's effort to distinguish living Fluxus from what some art scholars try to turn it into -- and would like to learn more about that. For example, the attempt to define Fluxus as a movment begining and ending with Maciunas seems highly contentious I think the Maciunas-centric view comes from two points. 1) it's the only explanation that is conceptually/historically easy to absorb. 2) Gilbert and Lila Silverman don't want to wake up one day to realise they've spent their fortune on some crappy plastic boxes - if the end isn't firmly associated with the end of Maciunas then Maciunas's place in Fluxus falls because in the years since his death many other Fluxus artists have produced large bodies of work, in turn this would reduce the value of Maciunas-produced artefacts. So there seems to be an economic argument for certain historical perspectives. The Fluxus Codex is the best example of this. From his remarks, I also understand now why he attacks the notion that Fluxus stemmed from the encounter with Cage, etc... Well I think Eric is trying to point out how important the European contribution was..that Fluxus isn't just some New York thing? It would be a good use of Fluxlist to discuss this article... Well, I'm pleased to see I'm engaging in good use ;-) cheers, Sol.
Re: FLUXLIST: What is Fluxus?
Actually, I didn't find this account that idiosyncratic. For example, Eric's effort to distance Fluxus from what Maciunas tried to define it as is one that can be found in varying degrees in a lot of the original accounts of Fluxus. I thought the point that Fluxus represented what was possibly the first international organization of artists was interesting. I appreciate Eric's effort to distinguish living Fluxus from what some art scholars try to turn it into -- and would like to learn more about that. For example, the attempt to define Fluxus as a movment begining and ending with Maciunas seems highly contentious From his remarks, I also understand now why he attacks the notion that Fluxus stemmed from the encounter with Cage, etc... It would be a good use of Fluxlist to discuss this article... cheers, George On Sat, 01 Sep 2001, allen bukoff wrote: More discoveries. Eric Anderson's idiosyncratic view of Fluxus: http://www.performance-festival-odense.dk/whatis.html
FLUXLIST: What is Fluxus?
More discoveries. Eric Anderson's idiosyncratic view of Fluxus: http://www.performance-festival-odense.dk/whatis.html
FLUXLIST: What is Fluxus?
Ben Vautier on Fluxus http://www.ben-vautier.com/ click on what is fluxus? It's partially en Englais PK
FLUXLIST: What is Fluxus?
From Hannah Higgins, "The Fluxus Reader" Edited by Ken Friedman FLUXUS FORTUNA " 'Round and round it goes and where it stops nobody knows.' " George Brecht "Fluxus artist George Brecht has compared Fluxus to a Wheel of Fortune, as moving in place and time, as an object of some uncertainty, whose stopping point is not yet clear. He is certainly not alone in the assignation of a gaming spirit to the group. There are many artists working in the rich tradition of Flux-games. Robert Filliou, for instance, made a spinner of twenty-four different hands and a dial in 1964. Filliou's wheel exposes the irony in Brecht's statement. Where the wheel of Fluxus stops is not the point, since the hands are both different and the same. Fixed ends, it seems are anathema to the idea of "fluxing" or flowing. as many Fluxus scholars and artists have pointed out over the years It does not folow, however, that Fluxus is anything and everything. In the words of Kristine Stiles, Flusus is a 'voluntary association' of people. As such, Fluxus is as diverse in its beliefs and practices and any sociality is. Thus, unless the artists are subject to an overriding ideological interpretation of their beliefs and actions, they will show themselves to be both highly pluralistic and in some form of communication (both by agreement and disagreement) with each other."
Re: FLUXLIST: What is Fluxus? What is Dada?
Marc asks: for such a long time i'm thinking about the question, what the difference between DADA and FLUXUS is? I think the most important thing to realise is that many of the similarities between Dada and Fluxus are superficial. Many people think of the performances at the Cabaret Voltaire and compare them to Fluxus events. Perhaps the most important thing is intent: In other words what was each group trying to achieve? The Fluxus events were designed as a simple actions that could be realised by anyone. This was not the case with Dada performances which were really much closer to theatre than performance art. Dada did not offer the general public a chance to perform Dada works in the way that Fluxus did/does. I think that perhaps Dada is like an uncle to Fluxus, offering advice and possibilities rather than instructions and method. But Dada and Fluxus are often linked in the mind, perhaps Duchamp is the glue that binds them together? Most importantly Dada did not possess the democracy of Fluxus. Dada retained class distinctions which Fluxus ignored. Fluxus is open to all, Dada was not. Dada was more politicised than Fluxus although Maciunas(but not Fluxus as a whole) had similar (communist) political leanings. Dada was not concerned with intermedia. Fluxus was. The early manifestations of Fluxus-type works (1958 onwards) were labelled Neo-Dada by the commentators of the day. Perhaps early on Fluxus was closer to Dada in being somewhat "anti-art"...certainly Maciunas held this position. However Fluxus was/is the sum of it's participants and was/is a paradigm as oppose to a distinct movement like Dada. This is why Fluxus is still functioning now in the 21st century whereas Dada died fairly quickly and had to be reincarnated in surrealist work. So anyway, these are difficult questions. I really think that Dada is best described as an organised attack on the artistic culture of its day. I see Fluxus as a creative paradigm for artistic activity, to me Fluxus offers a system of creative production in which one considers what one has created, the media one has used and the effect this creation has in the external world. The results of such consideration then provide the basis for future work. In this aspect Fluxus is like a scientific approach to creativity. Dada on the other hand is the use of a new creativity to subvert traditional modes of creativity, there is no interest in the essence and impact of creativity itself as there is in Fluxus. I think that Maciunas's early vision of Fluxus was as Neo-Dada. I think it is thanks to the vast number and variety of participants in Fluxus over the years that it has become so much more than that. Of course I may be wrong. The best explanation is that Fluxus feels different to Dada. Fluxus is heavier and is unlikely to hurt when you try to pick it up. cheers, Sol.
Re: FLUXLIST: What is Fluxus? What is Dada?
Marc asks: for such a long time i'm thinking about the question, what the difference between DADA and FLUXUS is? But Dada and Fluxus are often linked in the mind, perhaps Duchamp is the glue that binds them together? To me Duchamp figures largely in the connection between Dada and Fluxus- his formulation of the ready-made. This idea was important to Fluxus. Ben Vautier has been quoted as saying "Without Cage and Duchamp, Fluxus would have been impossible." or something to that effect. Most importantly Dada did not possess the democracy of Fluxus. Dada retained class distinctions which Fluxus ignored. Fluxus is open to all, Dada was not. Dada was more politicised than Fluxus although Maciunas(but not Fluxus as a whole) had similar (communist) political leanings. Dada was not concerned with intermedia. Fluxus was. Here I disagree. What about Dada poetry and collage which is an intermedial form? The simultaneous use of words and pictures in visual art is something we can attribute to Dada and this is intermedial. Reed
