Re: FLUXLIST: Cage/Mesostics

2000-04-30 Thread Rod Stasick



--- Patricia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Reverence to Cage
 But just too complicated

no, *I* just made it complicated - it really is
quite easy (see my post to alan bowman).

your text:

non linear text Comes bAck to linear. i'm not
that [scheduled] to want to [be] too [playful?]
with words. i like [actinG] in a non-linEar
linear waY.

Were you trying for "CAGEY"?

(...and you think Jim Rosenberg's poetry is
EASY???)

Rod

 
 Non linear text Comes back to linear
 I'm not that progrAmmed
 To want to get tooGamey with words
 I like to  Emote in a non
 linear linear
   waY

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Re: FLUXLIST: Cage/Mesostics

2000-04-28 Thread Reed Altemus

Patricia

A poet named Meikal And from Wisconsin last year wrote a series of
"Mesostics for Dick Higgins" using words from Higgins' FOEW. They have
been published in magazines and I think also on the web, but the URL for
his website at the moment escapes me. He's also a former Fluxlist person
but I think he left the list last year too unfortunately.

RA

Patricia wrote:

 To All:

 Has anyone ever tried generating a mesostic poem, a la Cage?  I
 am having the damndest time trying to figure out how to do this -
 apparently I am too visual to read about it, and figure it out,
 or my brain cells aren't up to it - I want a diagram, who knows?

 http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88v/cage-quotes.html

 PK




Re: FLUXLIST: Cage/Mesostics

2000-04-28 Thread Rod Stasick

Patricia et al.

Miekal And is active on some other lists. I have
to say to Patricia that I wouldn't recommend the
"...Higgins" work if you're interested in
examples of mesostics. A while back, Miekal And
and I had "discussions" about this (more - a
debate). I stated that they weren't mesostics.
Since he's not here to present HIS side, it may
be unfair to bring this up...I'm not sure...Let's
just say that you can't just capitalize ANY
letters that fit what you want to spell out.

Cage created a type of writing (that was later
named "mesostics" ["row down the middle"] with
the help of Norman O. Brown) that spelled out a
name or word down the middle of a paragraph text.
They were often  referred to as "spine" letters
or "mesoletters". These letters are distinguished
by the others by being the only ones capitalized.

The two basic types of mesostics are:

50 percent mesostics: between any two
mesoletters, you can't have the second

and

100 percent mesostics: between any two
mesoletters, you can't have either.

On a computer (for me, maybe someone knows) it is
difficult to line up text vertically so that
everyone else will see the same thing. Cage DID,
on occasion, line up text horizontally with the
mesoletters capitalized.

So let's use "PATRICIA" and THIS email text as an
example:

50% mesostic: We look for the first word that has
a "p", but one that is NOT followed by an
"a"...and that would be:

Present

then we keep going thru the text (in a linear
fashion) to find a word with "a" that is not
followed by a "t":

   mAy

"t" word without an "r":

To

(and so on..):

  suRe   

(notice that i didn't use "bring", because an "i"
follows the "r" and you can't have this)

There are also words that can be added that are
known as "wing words", but maybe it's best to
continue this off-list.

I looked at the "Mesostics for Dick Higgins" site
and it's the "kinetic" version of the static text
version that Miekal And posted to our "Fluxlist"
site. It looks pretty. My concerns were with the
static text version. There would be words, for
example, - right off the bat - that would contain
sequential letters.

Anyway, it IS difficult to show someone if you're
not physically right there demonstrating or have
not read some of Cage's texts.

If you have further questions, maybe off-list may
be best.

Rod



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