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Myself and some russian art student frends always haunt the trash sites in neighborhood as many art and architecture students throw ouyt otf good stuff--also at end o the ter many stdets as you mentioned, give up--and so leave behnd in their lockers and laying abt al manner of materias also rummage around constryuction sites--you'll find n end of good materials! some of thw rokesr in my area now know me and save things for me--all kinds of great stuff-- aso check out art supplies etc stores on trash night for when they throw out things used for smaples--papers, pens, etc etc markers and so on--discontinued lines depending on the city and the shool you can really feast along with the flies on what is thrown out yad sales often afford good materials of all srots when i was in advanced placment in fremch for two years sponsored by the french gov't--w had to memorize thousands of lside in the manner you mention name, date, painter, school to which it belong, influences it showed as well as those it engendered etc evrything from truly wild dada works to the most boring of the accepted works of the various nineteenth century bourgeous salon painters that was toughest exam i had ever had to tke--lasted two days--i was put in the french native language speaker section--as many in new hampshire, where i ws bussed to school as our village in vermont was too small for anything past sixth grade--there are many people in northern nh who work in the sawmills and the forests--lumberjacks and carpeneters like many of my relatives for generations--who speak only french despite being citizens of the usa the exams were given by jesuits in a Concrod nm--the capital--we were bussed down or driven by our teachers--exams were in spoke, written, writing essays on spot, grammar, history, art identification, etc etc etc man those Jesuits were a tough lot! i did win two years running firt place and plaques and books from french gov't--which alone helped me get nto college-- (i was also living a lot in frnace in those days which allowed me to be able to speak french so well--now i am pretty rusty though still read it everyday so as not to forget outright--) i think though that beig an artist arady you are going to have a garand old time as i think you are already regarding the art school experience as a kind of art process/project of your own its own right--and so will turn all to your own inimitable advantage! much appreciate your news from the front! onwo/ards! dave baptiste
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Hi Disco, Not too late at all, I still don't have all the projects, anyway. I'm on a studio tour next weekend so I'm getting ready for that this week (after the day job *sigh*). I'm going to try and present the various works differently, which demands rumination aplenty. I'd like text from everybody that didn't send something, or I guess I could look at some of the emails sent about the various projects early on. I have a random system of choosing which body of work is shown - actually my cats choose at the same time on alternating Wednesdays by nabbing one from a bowl of folded papers. Vladimir is the best at this as he has aspirations towards paper shredding. Best, PK Devon Paulson wrote: Great job Dave, I relly enjoyed that. Patricia, you did a great job too getting it up. It looks great. Hay Patricia, I would like to include a text with mine- is it too late? Disco From: Patricia dave baptiste chirot http://www.fluxus.org/FLUXLIST/timepiece/dbc/ _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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hi dave, your timepiece is just wonderful. every page filled with much to see and think about. and PK deserves much thanks in leading us to this fine project and presenting it so skillfully. bests, carol :) David Baptiste Chirot wrote: a thousand thousand thanks for the brilliant presentation! i think those whose dedicated work went into putting these up should be listed as collaborators on the works as they look "better than the original"! thank you also to Pk for the briiant idea for the project as learned a lot doing it-- i much appreciate the group/collective work of many of the projects on this list and as well the hard work and dedication of those involved in making the production os such high qulity of presentation! is a joy and honor to be participant-- dave baptiste On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, Patricia wrote: To All, Posts of the Timepiece Project will be posted from time to timenot in any particular order, but put forth by chance. dave baptiste chirot http://www.fluxus.org/FLUXLIST/timepiece/dbc/ Do give this some time, it's well worth it. Best, PK P.S. Thank you, thank you Allen Bukoff for transferring this from the Yahoo site I originally set up over to the fluxus site, so that we don't have to suffer those pop up boxes. -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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e or snail mail? From: Patricia Hi Disco, Not too late at all, I still don't have all the projects, anyway. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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either way... I'm at 137 Sixth St. Pacific Grove CA 93950 if you want to snail Devon Paulson wrote: e or snail mail? From: Patricia Hi Disco, Not too late at all, I still don't have all the projects, anyway. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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At 3:54 PM -0500 9/16/00, David Baptiste Chirot wrote: never having been to art school wd be glad to learn of what all goes on there--do they provide good access to lot of free materials? Ha! Would that they did. Free clay is about the only material you'll ever get in abundance. Everything else requires significant investment and outlay. Is the ink in printmaking free? The paper isn't. Lots of light, time, others and often space. Alas, no materials. Though some schools have materials at a discount and you can even score at term's end when students decide they'll never paint or draw again. Nor does art school have reverse slide exams, as they should: Sketch the "Night Watch" by Rembrandt, model the "Burghers of Calais" by Rodin, block out an 1879 still-life by Cezanne. Identify and script the "Auntie Fluxus event 2-2 for Eryk." Illustrate the similarities and the differences of a Greek Kora and a contemporary fashion model. Instead you are generally required to identify slides with name, date, title and sometimes all the rest. Nice and neat, easy to grade. Some people are naturally good at this little trick, others massively deficient though possessed of a detailed and accurate plastic memory, just not much corpus collosum activity twixt verbal and visual. (Personally, I was fortunate not to have a lot of trouble affording art materials, but I have severe psychological restrictions on defacing exquisitely made supports and wasting gorgeous gobs of materials. Luckily, I have given myself leave to destroy, remake and vitrify clay, though not too much.)
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a thousand thousand thanks for the brilliant presentation! i think those whose dedicated work went into putting these up should be listed as collaborators on the works as they look "better than the original"! thank you also to Pk for the briiant idea for the project as learned a lot doing it-- i much appreciate the group/collective work of many of the projects on this list and as well the hard work and dedication of those involved in making the production os such high qulity of presentation! is a joy and honor to be participant-- dave baptiste On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, Patricia wrote: To All, Posts of the Timepiece Project will be posted from time to timenot in any particular order, but put forth by chance. dave baptiste chirot http://www.fluxus.org/FLUXLIST/timepiece/dbc/ Do give this some time, it's well worth it. Best, PK P.S. Thank you, thank you Allen Bukoff for transferring this from the Yahoo site I originally set up over to the fluxus site, so that we don't have to suffer those pop up boxes.
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Posts of the Timepiece Project will be posted from time to timenot in any particular order, but put forth by chance. dave baptiste chirot http://www.fluxus.org/FLUXLIST/timepiece/dbc/ brilliant well done look forward to next instalment -Roger
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Great job Dave, I relly enjoyed that. Patricia, you did a great job too getting it up. It looks great. Hay Patricia, I would like to include a text with mine- is it too late? Disco From: Patricia dave baptiste chirot http://www.fluxus.org/FLUXLIST/timepiece/dbc/ _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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Dear Devon--and Pk: many thanks--i believe Pk deserves so much of the credit for superb job both in having the idea and rvn more f presentation! am quite stunned by it devon i have meant to write to you for eons i did recieve yr letter and projects and urging to "coming back at ya" via mail--i had for nearly a month before winding up in emergency room a very serious sinus infection which kind of limited anything i did to the minimum for a day just te know i had done something, hence the long lamented reply that they are delightfully here (due to many preivous near death experiencs with hospitals am always terrified that if i go in wil never get out aive! so idiotically tempt fate by staying away long as possible--figuring bettter just to croack ,be lt among the trees or some place outdoors or in my shack--) (recall first time in hospital with borken back begging the priest to given me medal with words to effect to allow me to die beside side of road or whether--much as Catholics used to wear those medallions saying "in case of emergenices notify a roman catholic priest--of course they don't condone suicide so wdn't go along with this!) i hope all goes well in school--something abt the Fall and school always a season of great excitement and promise! all those new books and people to meet! never having been to art school wd be glad to learn of what all goes on there--do they provide good access to lot of free materials? any good exchanges with students and teachers' good way to hone one's ideas is via such contacts-- just remember that for an artist/poet all is grist for the mill! we are all thieves and cannibals of many sorts--and so always find something of use--whether going along with and learning some basic and useful things or rebelling agassnt its useless meaning aspects as it tries out understanding our own such responses, and we are better able to articulate and examine our responses, ideas, etc not to mention you have the fluxlist and other loons to kept in touch with--so some good stories to tell! onwo/ards with the projects and work! all best dave baptiste
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Hi Disco, Glad the lab found your photosguess that new assistant down there's gonna work out all right after all ;-) cheers, Sol.
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Snails? Petals? Princess P is quaking. Is there another way? (however, glad what was once absent is not now missing) Prin. Pet. al. Devon Paulson wrote: OH MY GOD! The lab found my photos so my missing timepiece project is no longer missing, hence the failure to exhibit my absent timepiece project yesterday. It will be snail mailed to Princess Petal tomarrow! Now that is disco DISCO Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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what wonderful news! i'm so happy for you. bests, carol :) Devon Paulson wrote: OH MY GOD! The lab found my photos so my missing timepiece project is no longer missing, hence the failure to exhibit my absent timepiece project yesterday. It will be snail mailed to Princess Petal tomarrow! Now that is disco DISCO Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Patricia: I'm revisiting mine, so it will be forthcoming when: soon file not found oops cristine wang2000
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Great job, Patricia! how did you get the audio "ticking" neat!
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http://www.geocities.com/pk_harris/eight.html A fine page indeed! Thanks. cheers, Sol.
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Hi Christine: Thanks. The ticking is just a sound I downloaded on the 'net and put it in a loop. The Geocities "Page Builder" has some pretty simple stuff to accomplish bells and whistles (or in this case ticks). If only I knew how to get rid of those little Yahoo boxes. At 03:00 AM 07/14/2000 EDT, you wrote: Great job, Patricia! how did you get the audio "ticking" neat!
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Devon: Many thanks for presenting your time ideas re time entropy Am auditing a class in Philosophy and Film--mainly decided to do so to see again many of the great films have not seen in some time--SUNRISE, STRIKE, MOTHER, MAN WITH A MOVIE CAMERA, some Brakhage--this just in first weeks--also POTEMKIN--and some other recent short films-- there is a Japnaese exchange student in class and I am helping her with the readings, which is good as helps me make sure to be attentive with them understand them as much as possible-- we are reading together the first three chapters of Gilles Deluze's Cinema Movement-Image--the first volume of his two vol. set re cinema the first chapters may be of interest to you as they are concerned with ideas of movement in relation to time and representation in the works of Bergson, in particular his 1896 MATTER AND MEMORY--and in turn in relation to film-- re art entropy--there's a great little book by Rudolf Arnheim from I believe it is U Cal Press, 1971--the title is either ART AND ENTROPY or ENTROPY AND ART--he cites at one point as examples the work of Malevich and of Robert Smithson--the latter especially, both in his Earth works and in his essays--wrote a good deal and thought a good deal on entropy--Malevich does as well in his essays, though from a different viewpoint--concerned with non-objectivity--whereas Smithson is concerned more with matter-- the Smithson are collected in his WRITIINGS, also from U Cal Press--the updated version from 1996 I think it is--the layout is smaller than the first edition, but includes a few more pieces of interest than the first edition-- one of the most important re photography and time and entropy is his A TOUR OF THE MOnUMENTS OF PASSAIC, N.J.- you might find that of great interest in relation to your project-- it is humorous we have nearly the same time for the project--though in a relative sense, it may be not so nearly the same--as where are you in space?-- i am in Milwaukee, WI USA so that is continental united states central time-- wd highly recommend the Arnheim and the Smithson-- also the later advances in entropy studies leading to the discovery of negentropy--in relation to art--are in ORDER OUT OF CHAOS by Ilya Prigogine and Isabelle Stengers (NY: Bantam, 1984) -- "Ain't it high time" drawled the Sheriff, "to git rid of them clocks? I mean the Good Lord when He made the world only talked bout days. Didn't mention no hours nor minutes. Let's just plain old shoot out them clocks and let the sun do the talkin'." One wag pointed out that a sundial basically did this--and old Sheriff Holcomb plumb shot him in the foot. "Gol dang it! Always got t' be some know-it-all gummin' up the works--when life should just be kept plain and country simple." --dbchirot On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Devon Paulson wrote: David wrote: i picked my time as five o'clck in the afternoon--as the first time i thought of as that poem by Federico Garica Lorca kept beating in my head Oddly enough the time I selected is 5:17 in the afternoon. I set an alarm on my watch so its exact. At that exact time, I am placing a chrome clock (that I put on a little stand) on the ground and I am photoing wherever I am for the next 21 days. I am using a clock as representing time- something that exists outside of entropy. The city or highway or whatever is in the background is representing entropy as it is naturally degenerating and running down. That is the nature of everything but time (and maybe some other things that I can't think of right now). The two contrasting ideas are represented by the photograph. This is a representation of a pair of representations. Anyway kids, I'll be off. Just thought it was odd that Dave and I are almost doing it at the same time. disco Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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From: David Baptiste Chirot it is humorous we have nearly the same time for the project--though in a relative sense, it may be not so nearly the same--as where are you in space?-- i am in Milwaukee, WI USA so that is continental united states central time-- I am in Los Angeles, so that's Pacific time- what is that a two hour difference? isco Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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i'm doing my TIMEPIECE project with my trusty little device the i-zone camera. :) carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Baptiste Chirot wrote: It is rather overwhelming to learn of the methods others are employing for their projects-- as mine are very lowtech-- Sounds wonderful. I am also not someone who can make programs. I'm doing drawings instead, of a changing state of a plant. To focus on another being. AK
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Well said, I have that very same book : ) Oh, My, here it is July 10 (or is it June 10?) so, PLAY BALL!!! David Baptiste Chirot wrote: Okay, I understand now, thanks PK. It's the same method Bill James uses for differentiating between peak value and career value in Sabermetics, the system he developed for a better understanding of a baseball player's statistics. (I'm thinking of his discussion of Warren Spahn's values in the system, which helped me to "get it". It's on page 439 of THE BILL JAMES HISTORICAL BASEBALL ABSTRACT; Villard Books: New York, 1988) play ball! dave On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Patricia wrote: DaveBP: Means if you were napping in the grass and andy warhol took a picture (with film in his camera) you would be longer than you would be tall, vis a vis standing in the sun prior to napping in the grass, whence you would be taller than you are long, but what if Andy Warhol didn't have any film in his camera. It's very confusing, what with you listing and all. To starboard. Listlessly, yet remaining on, your pard in format, PK David Baptiste Chirot wrote: Fast Fingers Freddy, Hurry Hands Harry and Debby Dip and Peggy Pick-- "busy are their hands, and full/their urgent need/blessed with speed" PK: I can't take this lying down: what do you mean by "a horizontal format"? does that mean a kind of linear layout, from left to right? i tend to list to starboard, so need to get the coordinates "straight" thanks dave ps --am sending queries to the list, my apologies, as i don't know who the people in the group are yet-- On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Patricia wrote: "busy hands are happy hands" --my fourth grade elementary school teacher, Miss Dillingham Okay, kids, ur all lyin in ur hammocks drinkin lemonade or beer, and I guess about six of us will industriously muster the energy to actually go vertical once a day and do this, (although I guess one could remain horizontal), so One image, same thing, or words or painting or drawing or whatever at the same time every day from the 10th of July ' til the 31st - if you will keep them in a horizontal format in the same size, it would be appreciated (in keeping with summer, horizontal, yes?) No size preference, just send 'em to me when you're done, by email or snail mail and I'll do.something...sorry, I have to take a nap, now. P.K. Harris 137 Sixth St. Pacific Grove, CA 93950 USA allen bukoff wrote: "Time don't mean thing to me? / I've got life to go " --George Jones prison song "People say that I'm lazy. But it takes all my time." -- Joe Walsh
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Patricia/all here's my contibution, updated constantly http://alexvcook.homestead.com/files/timepiece.htm Styled after On Kawara, who has done the finest body of work about chartiung time. Alex requires a Javascript enabled browser to view it From: Patricia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: TIMEPIECE Project Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:00:56 -0700 "busy hands are happy hands" --my fourth grade elementary school teacher, Miss Dillingham Okay, kids, ur all lyin in ur hammocks drinkin lemonade or beer, and I guess about six of us will industriously muster the energy to actually go vertical once a day and do this, (although I guess one could remain horizontal), so One image, same thing, or words or painting or drawing or whatever at the same time every day from the 10th of July ' til the 31st - if you will keep them in a horizontal format in the same size, it would be appreciated (in keeping with summer, horizontal, yes?) No size preference, just send 'em to me when you're done, by email or snail mail and I'll do.something...sorry, I have to take a nap, now. P.K. Harris 137 Sixth St. Pacific Grove, CA 93950 USA allen bukoff wrote: "Time don't mean thing to me? / I've got life to go " --George Jones prison song "People say that I'm lazy. But it takes all my time." -- Joe Walsh Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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here's my contibution, updated constantly http://alexvcook.homestead.com/files/timepiece.htm I'm feelin' it, I'm feelin' it! disco Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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hi patricia, is it too late or me to join the project? i would like to do it but what do you mean by horizontal, are they all supposed to be in a horizontal row? i'm confused. excellent held interview, must have been fun to do, perfing all the way. think i need another cup of tea. best, c :)
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Hiya, Sorry to confuse. Just mean horizontal works or shots. Not too late, just start shooting or drawing or writing on the 10th, every day at the same time, once a day, from the 10th to the 31st. Don't have to paste on anything unless you want to. Let me know if this isn't clear. I'm just having my first cafe. Bless, PK Carol Starr wrote: hi patricia, is it too late or me to join the project? i would like to do it but what do you mean by horizontal, are they all supposed to be in a horizontal row? i'm confused. excellent held interview, must have been fun to do, perfing all the way. think i need another cup of tea. best, c :)
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hi patricia, thanks, count me in. cu, c :) On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, Patricia wrote: Hiya, Sorry to confuse. Just mean horizontal works or shots. Not too late, just start shooting or drawing or writing on the 10th, every day at the same time, once a day, from the 10th to the 31st. Don't have to paste on anything unless you want to. Let me know if this isn't clear. I'm just having my first cafe. Bless, PK Carol Starr wrote: hi patricia, is it too late or me to join the project? i would like to do it but what do you mean by horizontal, are they all supposed to be in a horizontal row? i'm confused. excellent held interview, must have been fun to do, perfing all the way. think i need another cup of tea. best, c :)
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DaveBP: Means if you were napping in the grass and andy warhol took a picture (with film in his camera) you would be longer than you would be tall, vis a vis standing in the sun prior to napping in the grass, whence you would be taller than you are long, but what if Andy Warhol didn't have any film in his camera. It's very confusing, what with you listing and all. To starboard. Listlessly, yet remaining on, your pard in format, PK David Baptiste Chirot wrote: Fast Fingers Freddy, Hurry Hands Harry and Debby Dip and Peggy Pick-- "busy are their hands, and full/their urgent need/blessed with speed" PK: I can't take this lying down: what do you mean by "a horizontal format"? does that mean a kind of linear layout, from left to right? i tend to list to starboard, so need to get the coordinates "straight" thanks dave ps --am sending queries to the list, my apologies, as i don't know who the people in the group are yet-- On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Patricia wrote: "busy hands are happy hands" --my fourth grade elementary school teacher, Miss Dillingham Okay, kids, ur all lyin in ur hammocks drinkin lemonade or beer, and I guess about six of us will industriously muster the energy to actually go vertical once a day and do this, (although I guess one could remain horizontal), so One image, same thing, or words or painting or drawing or whatever at the same time every day from the 10th of July ' til the 31st - if you will keep them in a horizontal format in the same size, it would be appreciated (in keeping with summer, horizontal, yes?) No size preference, just send 'em to me when you're done, by email or snail mail and I'll do.something...sorry, I have to take a nap, now. P.K. Harris 137 Sixth St. Pacific Grove, CA 93950 USA allen bukoff wrote: "Time don't mean thing to me? / I've got life to go " --George Jones prison song "People say that I'm lazy. But it takes all my time." -- Joe Walsh
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Remember the old Cheech and Chong routine, "What I did Last Summer?" Basically the same routone repeated over and over word for word--I got up, i went to look for a job, I stopped at the corner drug store, I hung out. (am sure somebody else remembers it better than i. "it's been a long . . . time . . . man . . ." etc) is one piece = eight and a half by eleven, or are all 21 to fit in that size together when "time's up"? "Time don't mean thing to me? / I've got life to go " --George Jones prison song dbchirot On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Patricia wrote: Owen and all, Sorry to be nebulous, but I can tell you they won't be stamps : ) I can only tell you I will figure it out between July 10-31. Probably a web event. The same item, event or thought, etc. once every day. Keep them small, small izone, reduced photos, small drawings, words, whatever. If they could fit on one 8 1/2 x 11 sheet, that would be ideal. Bests, PK Owen Smith wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes: If any of you are interested in doing this, July 10-31, every day, one item, event, thought, over and over, every day, record the change or nonchange. I have a friend who will put them online as a time project. He is a doctor. Every day, mind you, takes discipline. Who wants to participate? Sure, but what will become of the photos???, flip books, quicktime movies, web site, books, stamps, mail art, or?? Owen
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I think "far out" was in that song somewhere. Anyways, I was thinking it should be limited to one page because so many fluxlisters would want to jump on the Zen minimalist everyday experience of it all, but since we only have about 6-7 so far.how 'bout if we see how it goes by Friday. If participation remains low, 1 page is fine, 3 pages each max? The oracle shall announce Friday : ) PK David Baptiste Chirot wrote: Remember the old Cheech and Chong routine, "What I did Last Summer?" Basically the same routone repeated over and over word for word--I got up, i went to look for a job, I stopped at the corner drug store, I hung out. (am sure somebody else remembers it better than i. "it's been a long . . . time . . . man . . ." etc) is one piece = eight and a half by eleven, or are all 21 to fit in that size together when "time's up"? "Time don't mean thing to me? / I've got life to go " --George Jones prison song dbchirot On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Patricia wrote: Owen and all, Sorry to be nebulous, but I can tell you they won't be stamps : ) I can only tell you I will figure it out between July 10-31. Probably a web event. The same item, event or thought, etc. once every day. Keep them small, small izone, reduced photos, small drawings, words, whatever. If they could fit on one 8 1/2 x 11 sheet, that would be ideal. Bests, PK Owen Smith wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes: If any of you are interested in doing this, July 10-31, every day, one item, event, thought, over and over, every day, record the change or nonchange. I have a friend who will put them online as a time project. He is a doctor. Every day, mind you, takes discipline. Who wants to participate? Sure, but what will become of the photos???, flip books, quicktime movies, web site, books, stamps, mail art, or?? Owen