Re: [fonc] The end of technology has arrived

2013-07-24 Thread Murat Girgin
Someone during the decline of Commodore Inc. and Amiga.

Amiga is a great computer, but Commodore is not innovating anymore.
Everyone knows that IBM and it clownes can never catch up (with their
sloppy graphics and sound) and Apple is not really an innovator (still
playing with cassette tapes.) These are pretty much the only players I know
in the game, so I'm convinced that the technology is doomed. We'll all use
Amiga 1200s forever.

(Sorry, couldn't resist)



On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:18 PM, John Pratt jpra...@gmail.com wrote:


 In the first place, Steve was very conservative when it came
 to hardware and advances; relatively few things pushed the edge
 technologically, in terms of achieving some kind of science future.
 Three-dimensional displays exist, but no one ever explored that option.

 From 1999 onwards, the focus of Apple was to produce commerce,
 not advance the state of products overall.  Most everything
 he did from 1997 to 2011 simply leveraged the work that had been
 done previously and repackaged it.  Bitter failures at NeXT and
 massive success at Pixar led to the candy coating of Apple products,
 in which all progress underneath the covers ceased abruptly.

 But now Apple is unaware of this and they are still riding forward into
 a wall.  They don't know that they are riding into a wall because they
 are just rehashing and rehashing things written in the 1980's and 1990's,
 which weren't, in the first place, as advanced as people envisioned them
 to be able to be in the 1950's even.

 Since Microsoft follows Apple in large part and SGI is basically
 gone, no one leads the world except Apple.  So if Apple does not
 incorporate
 a technology, it will never become mainstream.  No major competing
 operating
 systems exist anymore and no one is even thinking like that.  And since
 Google is
 only splitting itself when it gets into hardware and not staying on track
 with web,
 it cannot really overcome this, either.

 This is really the end game, for all of technology.
 If Apple never improves itself in this regard, never thinks at a
 fundamental
 level, if it never examines the faults that Steve borrowed from PARC
 without
 examining the conceptual underpinnings, Apple will just decline, as is
 the case right now.

 Everything that was aspired in the 1990's is now a narrowly-defined
 reality:
 video exists in all formats and is available in any way possible.  Audio
 and
 music are consumable in all ways.  All information is basically
 transmittable
 as quickly as one really wants it given technology.  Speed the computers
 up by
 10x and it won't make much difference anymore.

 Stock analysts and news journalists can't see that the underpinnings of
 technology have now hit a wall.  Go ahead and make a watch or whatever.
 Real observers know that technology is over; it is just in its last throes.

 Once you define a tablet in the form of an iPad, no one can do anything
 else.
 Now that a mobile phone is synonymous with a touch pad, no one can think
 of anything else.  Mankind has boxed itself in and it is all over.




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Re: [fonc] The end of technology has arrived

2013-07-24 Thread David Barbour
Your pessimism does not seem justified. And I'm quite looking forward to
the future of heads up displays and augmented reality.

http://www.meta-view.com/
https://www.thalmic.com/myo/
http://awelonblue.wordpress.com/2013/07/18/programming-with-augmented-reality/




On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:18 PM, John Pratt jpra...@gmail.com wrote:


 In the first place, Steve was very conservative when it came
 to hardware and advances; relatively few things pushed the edge
 technologically, in terms of achieving some kind of science future.
 Three-dimensional displays exist, but no one ever explored that option.

 From 1999 onwards, the focus of Apple was to produce commerce,
 not advance the state of products overall.  Most everything
 he did from 1997 to 2011 simply leveraged the work that had been
 done previously and repackaged it.  Bitter failures at NeXT and
 massive success at Pixar led to the candy coating of Apple products,
 in which all progress underneath the covers ceased abruptly.

 But now Apple is unaware of this and they are still riding forward into
 a wall.  They don't know that they are riding into a wall because they
 are just rehashing and rehashing things written in the 1980's and 1990's,
 which weren't, in the first place, as advanced as people envisioned them
 to be able to be in the 1950's even.

 Since Microsoft follows Apple in large part and SGI is basically
 gone, no one leads the world except Apple.  So if Apple does not
 incorporate
 a technology, it will never become mainstream.  No major competing
 operating
 systems exist anymore and no one is even thinking like that.  And since
 Google is
 only splitting itself when it gets into hardware and not staying on track
 with web,
 it cannot really overcome this, either.

 This is really the end game, for all of technology.
 If Apple never improves itself in this regard, never thinks at a
 fundamental
 level, if it never examines the faults that Steve borrowed from PARC
 without
 examining the conceptual underpinnings, Apple will just decline, as is
 the case right now.

 Everything that was aspired in the 1990's is now a narrowly-defined
 reality:
 video exists in all formats and is available in any way possible.  Audio
 and
 music are consumable in all ways.  All information is basically
 transmittable
 as quickly as one really wants it given technology.  Speed the computers
 up by
 10x and it won't make much difference anymore.

 Stock analysts and news journalists can't see that the underpinnings of
 technology have now hit a wall.  Go ahead and make a watch or whatever.
 Real observers know that technology is over; it is just in its last throes.

 Once you define a tablet in the form of an iPad, no one can do anything
 else.
 Now that a mobile phone is synonymous with a touch pad, no one can think
 of anything else.  Mankind has boxed itself in and it is all over.




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Re: [fonc] The end of technology has arrived

2013-07-24 Thread John Carlson
Leap motion just came out.  And Kinect before it.  These open up a
dimension, but probably not too different than other 3D devices.  Let's
what happens...
On Jul 24, 2013 9:26 PM, John Pratt jpra...@gmail.com wrote:


 If you introduced the Dynabook today, would people use it?  That's
 now the problem.  They would have used it, probably, several years ago,
 but now they won't.

 The landscape itself is now reduced to a patch of grass.  There is now
 a single way to do a certain thing and that thing is fixed.  There is one
 way
 to do everything.  So in a way, it isn't just that the technology won't
 advance
 further, but that the cognitive environment has narrowed to a pinpoint.


 On Jul 24, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:

  Why so pessimistic?
  Your message reminds me numerous articles from the past,
  that tech hit the wall, and now humanity has to stop and think what to
 do next.
 
  The universe is full of yet undiscovered, and who knows how many
 days/years
  separates us from another great discovery. Yes it may be not in the
  field related
  to electronics or computing, nor related to the fate of Apple and
  today's flagships of technology.
  Who knows, maybe after a hundred years our descendants will consider
  our today's level of
  technology in computing as something ridiculously slow, ineffective,
  and resource-hungry.
 
  On 25 July 2013 00:18, John Pratt jpra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  In the first place, Steve was very conservative when it came
  to hardware and advances; relatively few things pushed the edge
  technologically, in terms of achieving some kind of science future.
  Three-dimensional displays exist, but no one ever explored that option.
 
  From 1999 onwards, the focus of Apple was to produce commerce,
  not advance the state of products overall.  Most everything
  he did from 1997 to 2011 simply leveraged the work that had been
  done previously and repackaged it.  Bitter failures at NeXT and
  massive success at Pixar led to the candy coating of Apple products,
  in which all progress underneath the covers ceased abruptly.
 
  But now Apple is unaware of this and they are still riding forward into
  a wall.  They don't know that they are riding into a wall because they
  are just rehashing and rehashing things written in the 1980's and
 1990's,
  which weren't, in the first place, as advanced as people envisioned them
  to be able to be in the 1950's even.
 
  Since Microsoft follows Apple in large part and SGI is basically
  gone, no one leads the world except Apple.  So if Apple does not
 incorporate
  a technology, it will never become mainstream.  No major competing
 operating
  systems exist anymore and no one is even thinking like that.  And since
 Google is
  only splitting itself when it gets into hardware and not staying on
 track with web,
  it cannot really overcome this, either.
 
  This is really the end game, for all of technology.
  If Apple never improves itself in this regard, never thinks at a
 fundamental
  level, if it never examines the faults that Steve borrowed from PARC
 without
  examining the conceptual underpinnings, Apple will just decline, as is
  the case right now.
 
  Everything that was aspired in the 1990's is now a narrowly-defined
 reality:
  video exists in all formats and is available in any way possible.
  Audio and
  music are consumable in all ways.  All information is basically
 transmittable
  as quickly as one really wants it given technology.  Speed the
 computers up by
  10x and it won't make much difference anymore.
 
  Stock analysts and news journalists can't see that the underpinnings of
  technology have now hit a wall.  Go ahead and make a watch or whatever.
  Real observers know that technology is over; it is just in its last
 throes.
 
  Once you define a tablet in the form of an iPad, no one can do anything
 else.
  Now that a mobile phone is synonymous with a touch pad, no one can think
  of anything else.  Mankind has boxed itself in and it is all over.
 
 
 
 
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