Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
Latest update from the election officials: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABoard_elections%2F2011action=historysubmitdiff=2667116oldid=2666426 * * Tom * * On 17 June 2011 12:53, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote: It's now the afternoon of the 17th (UTC), and this list—of which I have the dubious distinction of being custodian—hasn't seen a single thread about the WMF board election results. I'm honestly not sure if I should be proud of or disappointed with you guys. In any case, I beg your forgiveness when I myself ask: What are the results, and why haven't they been released yet? Austin ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
Austin Hair wrote: What are the results, and why haven't they been released yet? Matanya wrote: I'm really sorry no word was said until now, but we have some technical problems. We have been working on them for last 24h, and hope they are solved. I hope (no guarantees), that results will be out in the next 24h. Sorry Matanya 14:14, 16 June 2011 (UTC) Source: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2667116oldid=2666426 Naturally I assume technical problems is a euphemism. The Election Committee seems to have completely dropped the ball, either in setting an unrealistic deadline and/or in not effectively communicating why it's been unable to meet the deadline. Pages such as http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en have simply seen their verb tense shifted. For something of this importance, the whole situation is really rather unacceptable. MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
Yes, I find this situation, especially on the part of the election committee, as something between a sign of disrespect and a sign of indifference. I think the thousands of voters and the 19 candidates, who have spent a lot of time in their pursuing their candidacy, deserve better than this. Can someone from the election committee give us a better status report? Harel Cain Wikimedia Israel / Hebrew Wikipedia On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 15:06, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Austin Hair wrote: What are the results, and why haven't they been released yet? Matanya wrote: I'm really sorry no word was said until now, but we have some technical problems. We have been working on them for last 24h, and hope they are solved. I hope (no guarantees), that results will be out in the next 24h. Sorry Matanya 14:14, 16 June 2011 (UTC) Source: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2667116oldid=2666426 Naturally I assume technical problems is a euphemism. The Election Committee seems to have completely dropped the ball, either in setting an unrealistic deadline and/or in not effectively communicating why it's been unable to meet the deadline. Pages such as http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en have simply seen their verb tense shifted. For something of this importance, the whole situation is really rather unacceptable. MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
2011/6/17 Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com: It's now the afternoon of the 17th (UTC), and this list—of which I have the dubious distinction of being custodian—hasn't seen a single thread about the WMF board election results. I'm honestly not sure if I should be proud of or disappointed with you guys. Proud :) 2011/6/17 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com: The Election Committee seems to have completely dropped the ball, either in setting an unrealistic deadline and/or in not effectively communicating why it's been unable to meet the deadline. It may be true, but please calm down. They are volunteers, too. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace. - T. Moore ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
Update from Mardetanha: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2669988oldid=2669838rcid=2608446 As far as I can say, we are very hopeful that we can announce the results within several hours, we are almost done *Mardetanha*http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mardetanha talk http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mardetanha 13:24, 17 June 2011 (UTC) Thehelpfulone On 17 June 2011 13:36, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2011/6/17 Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com: It's now the afternoon of the 17th (UTC), and this list—of which I have the dubious distinction of being custodian—hasn't seen a single thread about the WMF board election results. I'm honestly not sure if I should be proud of or disappointed with you guys. Proud :) 2011/6/17 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com: The Election Committee seems to have completely dropped the ball, either in setting an unrealistic deadline and/or in not effectively communicating why it's been unable to meet the deadline. It may be true, but please calm down. They are volunteers, too. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace. - T. Moore ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Thehelpfulone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
Amir E. Aharoni wrote: 2011/6/17 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com: The Election Committee seems to have completely dropped the ball, either in setting an unrealistic deadline and/or in not effectively communicating why it's been unable to meet the deadline. It may be true, but please calm down. They are volunteers, too. I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this, though. MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
Hello Everyone, As the Board Liaison for the election committee I would like to ask for a little more patience on their behalf. Our chosen election system has several checks and balances and it does not help matters that we are making use of an independent third party and are spread out across several time zones. Thank you Amir, as you stated: they are volunteers too. And I recall it was very hard trying to get people to volunteer for this rather thankless job (please feel free to volunteer for the next elections) That being said, I think you will not have to wait much longer. The election committee is taking the final steps towards publishing the results. Jan-Bart de Vreede Board Liaison Election Committee On Jun 17, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: 2011/6/17 Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com: It's now the afternoon of the 17th (UTC), and this list—of which I have the dubious distinction of being custodian—hasn't seen a single thread about the WMF board election results. I'm honestly not sure if I should be proud of or disappointed with you guys. Proud :) 2011/6/17 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com: The Election Committee seems to have completely dropped the ball, either in setting an unrealistic deadline and/or in not effectively communicating why it's been unable to meet the deadline. It may be true, but please calm down. They are volunteers, too. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace. - T. Moore ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
On 6/17/2011 9:31 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: Hello Everyone, As the Board Liaison for the election committee I would like to ask for a little more patience on their behalf. Our chosen election system has several checks and balances and it does not help matters that we are making use of an independent third party and are spread out across several time zones. Thank you Amir, as you stated: they are volunteers too. And I recall it was very hard trying to get people to volunteer for this rather thankless job (please feel free to volunteer for the next elections) That being said, I think you will not have to wait much longer. The election committee is taking the final steps towards publishing the results. Jan-Bart de Vreede Board Liaison Election Committee ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Thank you for this update, we appreciate it. I am disappointed that these potential problems weren't thought about previously when choosing to use a third-party. In the future, I think we need to come up with a list of potential problems to prevent situations like this. -- Joe Gazz84 - Wikimedia Wikis Home Wiki: ENWP (Retired) Meta Commons If you need to contact me, please use reply and make sure the email goes to foundatio...@wikimedia.technology-hub.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
Hi! I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this, though. I'm told that some volunteers can be extremely obnoxious too. Domas ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
Hi Just to make sure we don't jump to the wrong conclusion. This is my fourth Board election. Every time we have relied on Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org/) do be the trusted third party. Every time they have been extremely fast and flexible in their volunteer services towards us. I am extremely grateful for all that they have done. But when a call for volunteers is made, and their timezones differ from each other, the office (and tech support) and SPI-Inc, that complicates matters when several checks are needed to confirm and verify. Jan-Bart On Jun 17, 2011, at 3:33 PM, Joe Gazz84 wrote: On 6/17/2011 9:31 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: Hello Everyone, As the Board Liaison for the election committee I would like to ask for a little more patience on their behalf. Our chosen election system has several checks and balances and it does not help matters that we are making use of an independent third party and are spread out across several time zones. Thank you Amir, as you stated: they are volunteers too. And I recall it was very hard trying to get people to volunteer for this rather thankless job (please feel free to volunteer for the next elections) That being said, I think you will not have to wait much longer. The election committee is taking the final steps towards publishing the results. Jan-Bart de Vreede Board Liaison Election Committee ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Thank you for this update, we appreciate it. I am disappointed that these potential problems weren't thought about previously when choosing to use a third-party. In the future, I think we need to come up with a list of potential problems to prevent situations like this. -- Joe Gazz84 - Wikimedia Wikis Home Wiki: ENWP (Retired) Meta Commons If you need to contact me, please use reply and make sure the email goes to foundatio...@wikimedia.technology-hub.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede janb...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Just to make sure we don't jump to the wrong conclusion. This is my fourth Board election. Every time we have relied on Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org/) do be the trusted third party. Every time they have been extremely fast and flexible in their volunteer services towards us. I am extremely grateful for all that they have done. But when a call for volunteers is made, and their timezones differ from each other, the office (and tech support) and SPI-Inc, that complicates matters when several checks are needed to confirm and verify. Jan-Bart Perfectly reasonable. Best way to forestall criticism in future elections is to just be open and communicative -- before the results are late. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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Fully agreed :) On Jun 17, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Nathan wrote: Perfectly reasonable. Best way to forestall criticism in future elections is to just be open and communicative -- before the results are late. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede janb...@wikimedia.org wrote: As the Board Liaison for the election committee I would like to ask for a little more patience on their behalf. Our chosen election system has several checks and balances and it does not help matters that we are making use of an independent third party and are spread out across several time zones. Thank you Amir, as you stated: they are volunteers too. And I recall it was very hard trying to get people to volunteer for this rather thankless job (please feel free to volunteer for the next elections) It shouldn't be thankless, so let me express my sincere appreciation to Abbas, Jon, Mardetanha, Matanya, and Ryan. I know that it's not easy, and I know that getting it right is more important than getting it fast. I won't speak for anyone else's motivations, but let me be clear that I was only looking for something, anything, updating us on an overdue deadline that many of us—the candidates, surely not the least—are eagerly awaiting. And yes, it's easy to let personal curiosity get overtaken by a feeling of righteous indignation, but I have to say that a message from ElecCom would have been really nice. Austin ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
On 6/17/2011 10:01 AM, Austin Hair wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede janb...@wikimedia.org wrote: As the Board Liaison for the election committee I would like to ask for a little more patience on their behalf. Our chosen election system has several checks and balances and it does not help matters that we are making use of an independent third party and are spread out across several time zones. Thank you Amir, as you stated: they are volunteers too. And I recall it was very hard trying to get people to volunteer for this rather thankless job (please feel free to volunteer for the next elections) It shouldn't be thankless, so let me express my sincere appreciation to Abbas, Jon, Mardetanha, Matanya, and Ryan. I know that it's not easy, and I know that getting it right is more important than getting it fast. I won't speak for anyone else's motivations, but let me be clear that I was only looking for something, anything, updating us on an overdue deadline that many of us—the candidates, surely not the least—are eagerly awaiting. And yes, it's easy to let personal curiosity get overtaken by a feeling of righteous indignation, but I have to say that a message from ElecCom would have been really nice. Austin ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l I too fully appreciate the committee, I never meant to come across where I didn't appreciate them. There is absolutely no way that this election could be done without this committee. This shouldn't be a thankless committee. I just was not fully aware of the reasons for the late results, now that I am, it makes it much easier to understand. -- Joe Gazz84 - Wikimedia Wikis Home Wiki: ENWP (Retired) Meta Commons For information on the wikimedia.technology-hub.com email domain, email i...@wikimedia.technology-hub.com If you need to contact me, please use reply and make sure the email goes to foundatio...@wikimedia.technology-hub.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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Domas Mituzas wrote: I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this, though. I'm told that some volunteers can be extremely obnoxious too. Eh, don't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes you have something useful to say. MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:05 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Domas Mituzas wrote: I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this, though. I'm told that some volunteers can be extremely obnoxious too. Eh, don't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes you have something useful to say. Now, now, everyone be nice. The moderation button isn't that far from me. Austin ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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I only want to rephrase what I said back at the beginning of the thread: it's perfectly understandable if things run late (huh, Wikimania taught me this first hand). It's just that little one-sentence update on the results page that was missing and would have spared us this thread. Now, some more patience - I'll go drink something :) Shabbat Shalom from Jerusalem, Harel On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 17:09, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:05 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Domas Mituzas wrote: I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this, though. I'm told that some volunteers can be extremely obnoxious too. Eh, don't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes you have something useful to say. Now, now, everyone be nice. The moderation button isn't that far from me. Austin ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
Results are out. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en Theo On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Harel Cain harel.c...@gmail.com wrote: I only want to rephrase what I said back at the beginning of the thread: it's perfectly understandable if things run late (huh, Wikimania taught me this first hand). It's just that little one-sentence update on the results page that was missing and would have spared us this thread. Now, some more patience - I'll go drink something :) Shabbat Shalom from Jerusalem, Harel On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 17:09, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:05 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Domas Mituzas wrote: I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this, though. I'm told that some volunteers can be extremely obnoxious too. Eh, don't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes you have something useful to say. Now, now, everyone be nice. The moderation button isn't that far from me. Austin ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
Congrats Ting, Sj and Kat on your re-election. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
On 6/17/2011 7:54 AM, Theo10011 wrote: Results are out. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en Congratulations to Ting, SJ, and Kat, I'm glad that you will be continuing in your good work! Thanks also to the election committee, and just to remind them that they are not done - I'm certain people are interested in seeing the full results matrix as well, so it would be appreciated if they can release that at some point. --Michael Snow ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
Congratulations!! and thanks for the fun experience of running for the board... One thing the board might want to concern itself with now is how to allow for more change in the next elections, in other words how to counteract the built-in advantages of the incumbent(s), which in the board elections is even bigger than in usual political elections. Harel Cain Wikimedia Israel / Hebrew Wikipedia On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 17:58, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Congrats Ting, Sj and Kat on your re-election. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
Congrats Ting, Sj and Kat on your re-election. Congrats to all the participants, particularly the three re-elected incumbents: I think this was the single most predictable single outcome-- we can poke and prod individual candidates, but collectively, _as a board_ , they've never done anything too controversial. The servers keep running, the lights stay on, and the funding looks great. Re-electing all incumbents is a credit to the individuals in question and to the foundation organization as a whole. Good work everyone! Special thanks to the election committee members who had so much work to do in this process. Alec ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Harel Cain harel.c...@gmail.com wrote: One thing the board might want to concern itself with now is how to allow for more change in the next elections, in other words how to counteract the built-in advantages of the incumbent(s), which in the board elections is even bigger than in usual political elections. I suspect the board will recruit, formally or informally, the top n runners-up to help provide the usual new bloodish infusion that a normal election result provides.The global community wants to keep the keys in the current hands, but it did also point out others it likes, and we should be sure to keep engaging them at the movement-wide strategy level. Alec ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Alec Conroy alecmcon...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect the board will recruit, formally or informally, the top n runners-up to help provide the usual new bloodish infusion that a normal election result provides. The global community wants to keep the keys in the current hands, but it did also point out others it likes, and we should be sure to keep engaging them at the movement-wide strategy level. Most of these people are already involved in the foundation and meta-level, which is why they ran for the board in the first place. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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Congratulations to Ting Chen, Samuel Klein, and Kat Walsh on your reelection you have gained again the confidence of the editors so they are reasonably happy whit things as they are I wish you continue doing this great job and keeping their confidence. Thanks to all the other candidates for making innovative and interesting proposals it seems that we have not been able to offer alternatives attractive enough but I have had a lot of fun in the process and I hope all of you too. Finally thank you to Abbas, Jon, Mardetanha, Mantaya, and Ryan for your job. I would like to ask for the full pairwise results. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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Congrats Ting, Sj and Kat ... Well deserved. I personally wished to see at least one new face, though. :) Regards Tinu Cherian On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Results are out. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en Theo On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Harel Cain harel.c...@gmail.com wrote: I only want to rephrase what I said back at the beginning of the thread: it's perfectly understandable if things run late (huh, Wikimania taught me this first hand). It's just that little one-sentence update on the results page that was missing and would have spared us this thread. Now, some more patience - I'll go drink something :) Shabbat Shalom from Jerusalem, Harel On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 17:09, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:05 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Domas Mituzas wrote: I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this, though. I'm told that some volunteers can be extremely obnoxious too. Eh, don't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes you have something useful to say. Now, now, everyone be nice. The moderation button isn't that far from me. Austin ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
On 06/17/2011 10:54 AM, Theo10011 wrote: Results are out. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en Congratulations on the incumbents for their reelections. I must admit that I am simultaneously disappointed and a little bit relieved that I wasn't elected. It's a tough crowd you face. -- Coren / Marc ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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Thank you all for your congratulations and your support! (And congratulations to the rest of the candidates, whose leadership and dedication are obvious in chapters, committees, and other projects; I look forward to continuing to work with you.) Cheers, Kat -- Your donations keep Wikipedia online: http://donate.wikimedia.org/en Wikimedia, Press: k...@wikimedia.org * Personal: k...@mindspillage.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mindspillage * (G)AIM:mindspillage IRC(freenode,OFTC):mindspillage * identi.ca:mindspillage * phone:ask ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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2011/6/17 Joan Goma jrg...@gmail.com Congratulations to Ting Chen, Samuel Klein, and Kat Walsh on your reelection you have gained again the confidence of the editors so they are reasonably happy whit things as they are I wish you continue doing this great job and keeping their confidence. Thanks to all the other candidates for making innovative and interesting proposals it seems that we have not been able to offer alternatives attractive enough but I have had a lot of fun in the process and I hope all of you too. Finally thank you to Abbas, Jon, Mardetanha, Mantaya, and Ryan for your job. I would like to ask for the full pairwise results. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Thanks, pairwise results will come (Mardetanha will hopefully publish them soon unless I mistunderstood him). I would like to apologize for the delays on our part, we understand that it is frustrating to be sitting on the edge of the seat without knowing when results arrive. Communication could definitely have been better. As I wrote in the board report, I think the elections would benefit from a semi-permanent committee, instead of an election-by-election-based committee. This would help counter repeats of the same mistakes, and smoothen things out. This year none of us were very technically-minded, and we learned that we definitely should have someone who can take care of that part as a committee member. In the beginning there were only three volunteers, but after some asking around we got two more (Matanya and Mardetanha), and there is a lot of work to do, so more volunteers is always nice. (Not trying to be apologetic here, there are many things we could have done better, and we should take self-criticism on that; I'm just trying to explain some of the factors involved.) Finally, congratulations to the winners! It is well-deserved. :-) Oh, and we will put up a post-mortem page on Meta soon, and all feedback is very welcome. -- mvh Jon Harald Søby http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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First, congratulations to reelected Board members! As a steward and member of some committees, I had very good cooperation with them, and I am sure that we'll have in the future, too. Second, I would like to thank to all of those who voted for me and especially to all of those who didn't. I couldn't imagine better result for myself personally: * While I know that changes are important for all of us, I am a bit anxious about changes in my life. As nothing has changed, I am quite happy. * A lot of Wikimedians voted for me, which means that my work matters to the significant portion of the community. That gives more reasons to me to continue my present work. * Finally and most importantly, I wouldn't have to fulfill my electoral promises. As I said, I am quite happy with the results. Important issues, like community participation in decision-making processes, have been opened during the elections; some of them have been opened before the elections. I am here to stay and work on them. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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On 17/06/2011 18:20, Jon Harald Søby wrote: As I wrote in the board report, I think the elections would benefit from a semi-permanent committee, instead of an election-by-election-based committee. This would help counter repeats of the same mistakes, and smoothen things out. This year none of us were very technically-minded, and we learned that we definitely should have someone who can take care of that part as a committee member. Well, you have been on it for a few times now Jon. ;-) KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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Congrats to the winners! What a great team. BTW, we are going to be organizing a new conference the first weekend of november in Prishtina, again, skf11 the third edition. It would be great to get some speakers from wikimedia, we have had milos, gerardm (in vlore, albania at the partner event freesb) , who else might be interested? mike -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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On 17 June 2011 16:19, Alec Conroy alecmcon...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect the board will recruit, formally or informally, the top n runners-up to help provide the usual new bloodish infusion that a normal election result provides. The global community wants to keep the keys in the current hands, but it did also point out others it likes, and we should be sure to keep engaging them at the movement-wide strategy level. I think this is an essential next step. Being volunteered into a job is the standard reward for showing competence in public ... - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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Hello all, at first thank you all for take part in the election, especially to the volunteers on the Elections Committee. As most of organizing-an-event-job, there are always a lot of work that the attendees of the events don't necessarily see. I also want to thank everyone who take part in the voting. Whoever you have voted, it is an important feedback for us all, and an important feedback for our works in the past and our works ahead. Many thanks to the candidates who had competed in a very fair and civil manner. The exchange of ideas and views with all of you is very refreshing and gives me new impulses. A very special thank this time to Alec McConroy, who had put up very tough questions and as soon as I had caught breath (see below), I will continue our conversation on meta. Actually in this year I got the news of the election result later than most of you. I was mostly on travel last week, and had visited Almaty, Kazakhstan. Something really remarkable is happenning there. Our volunteers there had started to organize a nationwide movement and had found support in the politics, companies and media. The Kazakh Encyclopedia had decided to put its up-to-date 16-band encyclopedia under a free licence. There are initiatives in the parliament to make the copyright law more clear and supportive in respect of free-licenses, and the biggest national welfare fund Samruk-Kazyna had decided to fund activities to build up the Kazakh Wikipedia. Our volunteers there are going to start ambassador programs in the universities in Almaty and had set the very ambitious goal to expand the Kazakh Wikipedia into 200k articles until December 16th, the 20th independance day of the Republic Kazakhstan, not by using bots, but by writing and translating qualified articles. That would mean about ten fold of the article amount than at the moment. It was on my way from airport back how when I got the first congratulations, before I got know the result. And tomorrow I am going to Den Bosch to celebrate with our volunteers in the Netherlands 10 Years Netherlandish Wikipedia. It is by chance that these two events lye so near by each other, but I also think that there is an intrinsic link between them. It is our work until now, and I mean really OUR, every volunteer, that inspire and attract new people from around the world. Our success hetherto shows how a world of sharing and a world of free knowledge could look like. It is really true, that we are building a heritage, a world heritage, recognized officially or not. It is a world heritage because so many people, from so many places, put their hands on it. All of us collected it, shaped it, byte by byte, section by section. And because of this, as in every of my speech, my best and sincere thank, goes to our volunteers, every single one of you. Greetings Ting On 17.06.2011 16:54, wrote Theo10011: Results are out. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en Theo On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Harel Cainharel.c...@gmail.com wrote: I only want to rephrase what I said back at the beginning of the thread: it's perfectly understandable if things run late (huh, Wikimania taught me this first hand). It's just that little one-sentence update on the results page that was missing and would have spared us this thread. Now, some more patience - I'll go drink something :) Shabbat Shalom from Jerusalem, Harel On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 17:09, Austin Hairadh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:05 PM, MZMcBridez...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Domas Mituzas wrote: I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this, though. I'm told that some volunteers can be extremely obnoxious too. Eh, don't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes you have something useful to say. Now, now, everyone be nice. The moderation button isn't that far from me. Austin ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Ting Ting's Blog: http://wingphilopp.blogspot.com/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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Congratulations to Ting, SJ and Kat! I'm sure you are going to keep on the good work and to address some of the things that have been said in this election. Good luck! Patricio -- Patricio Lorente Blog: http://www.patriciolorente.com.ar Identi.ca // Twitter: @patriciolorente ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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On Friday, June 17, 2011, Patricio Lorente patricio.lore...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations to Ting, SJ and Kat! Thank you Patricio, and all who shared congratulations. This is a tricky time for the projects and the Foundation - we are squarely facing a drop in participation for the first time. Among other things, we need fresh ideas and insights more than ever. So I sympathize with Tinu - change is important. - and with Harel, we should take care to balance the advantages of incumbency. A longer period for debate and questions and translation, and an official debate or set of well-organized questions, would help. Patricio writes: I'm sure you are going to keep on the good work and to address some of the things that have been said in this election. I thought you in particular made some excellent points about equity in communication and accountable governance. I hope you will continue to push for your suggestions. Regards, SJ -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Philippe Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: The Wikimedia Foundation's Board Election Committee has concluded the board selection process, and is pleased to announce that the candidates ranked as follows: Final ranking 1 Ting Chen (Wing) 2 Kat Walsh (mindspillage) 3 Samuel Klein (Sj) 4 Gerard Meijssen (GerardM) 5 Domas Mituzas (Midom) 6 Thomas Braun (Redlinux) 7 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen (Cimon Avaro) 8 Steve Smith (Sarcasticidealist) 9 Dan Rosenthal (Swatjester) 10 José Gustavo Góngora (Góngora) 11 Brady Brim-DeForest (Bradybd) 12 Lourie Pieterse (LouriePieterse) 13 Adam Koenigsberg (CastAStone) 14 Ralph Potdevin (Aruspice) 15 Beauford Anton Stenberg (B9 hummingbird hovering) 16 Gregory Kohs (Thekohser) 17 Kevin Riley O'Keeffe (KevinOKeeffe) 18 Relly Komaruzaman (Relly Komaruzaman) A full pairwise defeats table will be posted shortly. These names have been respectfully submitted to the Board, which has moved to seat the top three candidates. The Committee wishes to thank all those who submitted themselves as candidates. It was a broad and diverse field this year. We also wish to recognize the many volunteers that helped with this process. The committee extends its gratitude and thanks to them For the committee, Philippe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Congrats to the winners! -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia. With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state of the community, I fear this endorsement of seemingly old guard Wikimedians as our Board representation will support claims about the community becoming unfriendly to new participants. Thoughts? Am I being too nervous, or do others see that potential too? If I'm not alone, perhaps any official announcement about the elections (i.e. on the Wikimedia blog and in press releases) should address this, even if only tacitly. Steven Walling On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Philippe Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: The Wikimedia Foundation's Board Election Committee has concluded the board selection process, and is pleased to announce that the candidates ranked as follows: Final ranking 1 Ting Chen (Wing) 2 Kat Walsh (mindspillage) 3 Samuel Klein (Sj) 4 Gerard Meijssen (GerardM) 5 Domas Mituzas (Midom) 6 Thomas Braun (Redlinux) 7 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen (Cimon Avaro) 8 Steve Smith (Sarcasticidealist) 9 Dan Rosenthal (Swatjester) 10 José Gustavo Góngora (Góngora) 11 Brady Brim-DeForest (Bradybd) 12 Lourie Pieterse (LouriePieterse) 13 Adam Koenigsberg (CastAStone) 14 Ralph Potdevin (Aruspice) 15 Beauford Anton Stenberg (B9 hummingbird hovering) 16 Gregory Kohs (Thekohser) 17 Kevin Riley O'Keeffe (KevinOKeeffe) 18 Relly Komaruzaman (Relly Komaruzaman) A full pairwise defeats table will be posted shortly. These names have been respectfully submitted to the Board, which has moved to seat the top three candidates. The Committee wishes to thank all those who submitted themselves as candidates. It was a broad and diverse field this year. We also wish to recognize the many volunteers that helped with this process. The committee extends its gratitude and thanks to them For the committee, Philippe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Congrats to the winners! -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Steven Wallingsteven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia. With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state of the community, I fear this endorsement of seemingly old guard Wikimedians as our Board representation will support claims about the community becoming unfriendly to new participants. Thoughts? Am I being too nervous, or do others see that potential too? If I'm not alone, perhaps any official announcement about the elections (i.e. on the Wikimedia blog and in press releases) should address this, even if only tacitly. Steven Walling On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Philippe Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: The Wikimedia Foundation's Board Election Committee has concluded the board selection process, and is pleased to announce that the candidates ranked as follows: Final ranking 1 Ting Chen (Wing) 2 Kat Walsh (mindspillage) 3 Samuel Klein (Sj) 4 Gerard Meijssen (GerardM) 5 Domas Mituzas (Midom) 6 Thomas Braun (Redlinux) 7 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen (Cimon Avaro) 8 Steve Smith (Sarcasticidealist) 9 Dan Rosenthal (Swatjester) 10 José Gustavo Góngora (Góngora) 11 Brady Brim-DeForest (Bradybd) 12 Lourie Pieterse (LouriePieterse) 13 Adam Koenigsberg (CastAStone) 14 Ralph Potdevin (Aruspice) 15 Beauford Anton Stenberg (B9 hummingbird hovering) 16 Gregory Kohs (Thekohser) 17 Kevin Riley O'Keeffe (KevinOKeeffe) 18 Relly Komaruzaman (Relly Komaruzaman) A full pairwise defeats table will be posted shortly. These names have been respectfully submitted to the Board, which has moved to seat the top three candidates. The Committee wishes to thank all those who submitted themselves as candidates. It was a broad and diverse field this year. We also wish to recognize the many volunteers that helped with this process. The committee extends its gratitude and thanks to them For the committee, Philippe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Congrats to the winners! -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Similar to how we have Senators in office for 20+ years...because they continue to run and people continue to elect them. We certainly had a wide cross-section of Wikimedians this year. But nobody voted for them. -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Philippe Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: The Wikimedia Foundation's Board Election Committee has concluded the board selection process, and is pleased to announce that the candidates ranked as follows: Wikimedia is an amazing thing to be part of and I'm honored to be chosen again, and I will at least try to make *different* mistakes this time after hopefully learning from the old ones! Congrats to Ting and SJ -- and a thank you to Domas, who is not only a good big scary sysadmin but also a good big scary board member. Cheers, Kat -- Your donations keep Wikipedia online: http://donate.wikimedia.org/en Wikimedia, Press: k...@wikimedia.org * Personal: k...@mindspillage.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mindspillage * (G)AIM:Mindspillage mindspillage or mind|wandering on irc.freenode.net * email for phone ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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Congratulations to the victors and thank you to all the candidates and thank you to the departing Domas! ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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My first response is that's probably a reflection of the voting system. When you have a non-partisan system like this, there are no clear political pro/con reasons to vote for/against particular candidates and the anti-incumbency factor doesn't really work. Candidates are likely to be successful if they're well known, and that will give an advantage to more established editors. However, you might be over-stating this conclusion. All three retiring candidates stood again and only two were re-elected - Domas Mituzas lost out to sj. - Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: From: Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, 12 August, 2009 20:07:00 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia. With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state of the community, I fear this endorsement of seemingly old guard Wikimedians as our Board representation will support claims about the community becoming unfriendly to new participants. Thoughts? Am I being too nervous, or do others see that potential too? If I'm not alone, perhaps any official announcement about the elections (i.e. on the Wikimedia blog and in press releases) should address this, even if only tacitly. Steven Walling On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Philippe Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: The Wikimedia Foundation's Board Election Committee has concluded the board selection process, and is pleased to announce that the candidates ranked as follows: Final ranking 1 Ting Chen (Wing) 2 Kat Walsh (mindspillage) 3 Samuel Klein (Sj) 4 Gerard Meijssen (GerardM) 5 Domas Mituzas (Midom) 6 Thomas Braun (Redlinux) 7 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen (Cimon Avaro) 8 Steve Smith (Sarcasticidealist) 9 Dan Rosenthal (Swatjester) 10 José Gustavo Góngora (Góngora) 11 Brady Brim-DeForest (Bradybd) 12 Lourie Pieterse (LouriePieterse) 13 Adam Koenigsberg (CastAStone) 14 Ralph Potdevin (Aruspice) 15 Beauford Anton Stenberg (B9 hummingbird hovering) 16 Gregory Kohs (Thekohser) 17 Kevin Riley O'Keeffe (KevinOKeeffe) 18 Relly Komaruzaman (Relly Komaruzaman) A full pairwise defeats table will be posted shortly. These names have been respectfully submitted to the Board, which has moved to seat the top three candidates. The Committee wishes to thank all those who submitted themselves as candidates. It was a broad and diverse field this year. We also wish to recognize the many volunteers that helped with this process. The committee extends its gratitude and thanks to them For the committee, Philippe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Congrats to the winners! -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Kat Walshk...@wikimedia.org wrote: Congrats to Ting and SJ -- and a thank you to Domas, who is not only a good big scary sysadmin but also a good big scary board member. Congrats to the three (re-)elected board members and all the best for the upcoming term. The voting system seems to do a great job in expressing what a majority actually prefers :) Re Domas, I hope the board is going to rely on his advise and expertise. Mathias ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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Let me add my congratulations to our newly elected or re-elected Board members. :-) Domas - thank you for all your contributions as a Board member. I'm still amazed that you managed to serve on the Board while continuing your technical volunteer work! -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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A full pairwise defeats table will be posted shortly. Would you please add detailed statistic summary (number of people voted, %% of eligible wikipedians, dice and slice of those to projects groups etc.) ? ... I mean as detailed as possible - more is better On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Philippe Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: The Wikimedia Foundation's Board Election Committee has concluded the board selection process, and is pleased to announce that the candidates ranked as follows: Final ranking 1 Ting Chen (Wing) 2 Kat Walsh (mindspillage) 3 Samuel Klein (Sj) 4 Gerard Meijssen (GerardM) 5 Domas Mituzas (Midom) 6 Thomas Braun (Redlinux) 7 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen (Cimon Avaro) 8 Steve Smith (Sarcasticidealist) 9 Dan Rosenthal (Swatjester) 10 José Gustavo Góngora (Góngora) 11 Brady Brim-DeForest (Bradybd) 12 Lourie Pieterse (LouriePieterse) 13 Adam Koenigsberg (CastAStone) 14 Ralph Potdevin (Aruspice) 15 Beauford Anton Stenberg (B9 hummingbird hovering) 16 Gregory Kohs (Thekohser) 17 Kevin Riley O'Keeffe (KevinOKeeffe) 18 Relly Komaruzaman (Relly Komaruzaman) A full pairwise defeats table will be posted shortly. These names have been respectfully submitted to the Board, which has moved to seat the top three candidates. The Committee wishes to thank all those who submitted themselves as candidates. It was a broad and diverse field this year. We also wish to recognize the many volunteers that helped with this process. The committee extends its gratitude and thanks to them For the committee, Philippe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Pavlo Shevelopavlo.shev...@gmail.com wrote:
A full pairwise defeats table will be posted shortly.
Would you please add detailed statistic summary (number of people
voted, %% of eligible wikipedians, dice and slice of those to projects
groups etc.) ?
... I mean as detailed as possible - more is better
{{Sofixit}}
The things you are asking for should be possible with already
available public data. These things would be good, but they are
things that *you* can do. :)
Please save the election committees' cycles for dealing with whatever
non-public stuff remains. :)
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Andrew Turveyandrewrtur...@googlemail.com wrote: My first response is that's probably a reflection of the voting system. When you have a non-partisan system like this, there are no clear political pro/con reasons to vote for/against particular candidates and the anti-incumbency factor doesn't really work. Candidates are likely to be successful if they're well known, and that will give an advantage to more established editors. However, you might be over-stating this conclusion. All three retiring candidates stood again and only two were re-elected - Domas Mituzas lost out to sj. Congratulations to Ting, Kat and Sj for being elected, and to committee for handling such a complex vote so smoothly. I think the community has chosen really well, and seeing that also the runners-up are well-known people, it's clear that the voiting system works well. Cruccone ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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The things you are asking for should be possible with already
available public data. These things would be good, but they are
things that *you* can do. :)
Maybe my English is not good enough but I don't get it:
Either you suggest that it will be possible or you're quite sure about that?
... and what about data correction due to dramatic error being discussed.
... and where are those public data anyhow?
(you may call me dummy, but I have no clue about that)
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Gregory Maxwellgmaxw...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Pavlo Shevelopavlo.shev...@gmail.com wrote:
A full pairwise defeats table will be posted shortly.
Would you please add detailed statistic summary (number of people
voted, %% of eligible wikipedians, dice and slice of those to projects
groups etc.) ?
... I mean as detailed as possible - more is better
{{Sofixit}}
The things you are asking for should be possible with already
available public data. These things would be good, but they are
things that *you* can do. :)
Please save the election committees' cycles for dealing with whatever
non-public stuff remains. :)
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{{You're laughing on me }}
:(
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Gregory Maxwellgmaxw...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Pavlo Shevelopavlo.shev...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe my English is not good enough but I don't get it:
Your English is far better than my Ukrainian. I apologise for not
being more clear.
Either you suggest that it will be possible or you're quite sure about that?
... and what about data correction due to dramatic error being discussed.
... and where are those public data anyhow?
(you may call me dummy, but I have no clue about that)
The list of voters and projects is available at
https://wikimedia.spi-inc.org/index.php?limit=5000title=Special%3ASecurePoll%2Flist%2F17
Rough eligibility can be derived from edit histories. This is a bit
harder to calculate, though anyone with a toolserver account could do
this.
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Hi, Congratulations Ting, Kat and Samuel. Thanks for everything so far and more to come, domas :) On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 20:07, Steven Wallingsteven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia. With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state of the community, I fear this endorsement of seemingly old guard Wikimedians as our Board representation will support claims about the community becoming unfriendly to new participants. Thoughts? Am I being too nervous, or do others see that potential too? Since the board of the Wikimedia Foundation is our ultimate authority (where necessary), surely it should be made up of old hands and experienced veterans who, by being around and demonstrating their sanity repeatedly, are most likely to be successful in the role? We should encourage new contributors in more accessible jobs, where they can make an equally valuable contribution, while putting those who (we would like to think) have proved themselves to be committed and knowledgeable in the ultimate positions of responsibility and power. S -- Sean Whitton / s...@silentflame.com OpenPGP KeyID: 0x25F4EAB7 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results
On 8/12/09 12:07 PM, Steven Walling wrote: While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia. With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state of the community, I fear this endorsement of seemingly old guard Wikimedians as our Board representation will support claims about the community becoming unfriendly to new participants. Thoughts? Am I being too nervous, or do others see that potential too? On the contrary, getting the old guard more active is essential in resolving such community issues -- Wikipedia was much more newbie-friendly in its first couple of years than it is today, and we need to recover that spirit. -- brion ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results
Let me clarify: I'm not actually arguing that anything is wrong with the election system, the results, or having old hands on the Board. On the contrary. I'm just wondering if this election (even if it's not unusual) might be conflated with the PARC stats on the community that have gotten so much attention from the media lately. That's all. Steven Walling On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 8/12/09 12:07 PM, Steven Walling wrote: While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia. With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state of the community, I fear this endorsement of seemingly old guard Wikimedians as our Board representation will support claims about the community becoming unfriendly to new participants. Thoughts? Am I being too nervous, or do others see that potential too? On the contrary, getting the old guard more active is essential in resolving such community issues -- Wikipedia was much more newbie-friendly in its first couple of years than it is today, and we need to recover that spirit. -- brion ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results
On 8/12/09 1:48 PM, Steven Walling wrote: Let me clarify: I'm not actually arguing that anything is wrong with the election system, the results, or having old hands on the Board. On the contrary. I'm just wondering if this election (even if it's not unusual) might be conflated with the PARC stats on the community that have gotten so much attention from the media lately. That's all. a) I doubt it and b) I gave an example response of why that's not a bad thing -- brion ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results
BTW, congratulations from me, too. I expect that: * Kate will stay as a hardline defender of the community interests; * Ting will continue to promote interests of the worldwide Wikimedians; * Samuel will bring fresh ideas about which he talked publicly, as well as privately with many of us. I also hope that the Board will find a way how to engage Gerard and Domas more into the WMF issues. (And, articles in English are still mystery for me :]) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results
I don't think so. Your English is better than my whatever
language. is a honest response.
Thank you, Milos, I appreciate your input.
I meant another... aspect - like
Rough eligibility can be derived from edit histories. This is a bit
harder to calculate, though anyone with a toolserver account could do
this.
... meaning that:
* I do believe that election comity should (if not have to / must)
share statistic data which is in their possession
as well as
* I don't have (and never had) toolserver account
etc.
So
{{Sofixit}}
looks like more the friendliness to newcomers issue (for this
mailing list and beyond) which is so popular in _discussions_ here
last time.
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Pavlo Shevelopavlo.shev...@gmail.com
wrote:
{{You're laughing on me }}
:(
I don't think so. Your English is better than my whatever
language. is a honest response.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Pavlo Shevelopavlo.shev...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think so. Your English is better than my whatever
language. is a honest response.
Thank you, Milos, I appreciate your input.
I meant another... aspect - like
Rough eligibility can be derived from edit histories. This is a bit
harder to calculate, though anyone with a toolserver account could do
this.
... meaning that:
* I do believe that election comity should (if not have to / must)
share statistic data which is in their possession
as well as
* I don't have (and never had) toolserver account
etc.
So
{{Sofixit}}
looks like more the friendliness to newcomers issue (for this
mailing list and beyond) which is so popular in _discussions_ here
last time.
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Pavlo Shevelopavlo.shev...@gmail.com
wrote:
{{You're laughing on me }}
:(
I don't think so. Your English is better than my whatever
language. is a honest response.
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Well, the raw data is certainly available, but more involved
statistics will take someone with time and a computer to
do the number crunching. That was Greg's original point,
that anyone can use the data if they'd like, for whatever
statistical analysis suits your needs.
-Chad
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: The Wikimedia Foundation's Board Election Committee has concluded the board selection process, and is pleased to announce that the candidates ranked as follows: Final ranking 1 Ting Chen (Wing) 2 Kat Walsh (mindspillage) 3 Samuel Klein (Sj) Congrats to Tin, Kat especially SJ! ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results
Congrats to the winners, and thanks to all those who had the courage to stand up and offer themselves as candidates. -Luna ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results
Congratz indeed to the (re)elected, and thank you Domas for all your work, both within and outwith the Board. Andrew Turvey wrote: My first response is that's probably a reflection of the voting system. When you have a non-partisan system like this, there are no clear political pro/con reasons to vote for/against particular candidates and the anti-incumbency factor doesn't really work. Candidates are likely to be successful if they're well known, and that will give an advantage to more established editors. However, you might be over-stating this conclusion. All three retiring candidates stood again and only two were re-elected - Domas Mituzas lost out to sj. I'll have to agree, and also point out that it's a bit silly classing Ting as old guard. Yes, he's a returning member of the board, but considering he was only elected last year, it's not so surprising he did well again this year. KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine PGP.sig Description: PGP signature ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia. With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state of the community, I fear this endorsement of seemingly old guard Wikimedians as our Board representation will support claims about the community becoming unfriendly to new participants. Thoughts? Am I being too nervous, or do others see that potential too? Steven Walling Yes, you're becoming too nervous. We're doing fine, we're doing right, we had and election and we have decided who's going to be on board. Whatever the media outlets want to think is not somethign we should lose sleep over to. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results
Brion Vibber wrote: On 8/12/09 12:07 PM, Steven Walling wrote: While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia. With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state of the community, I fear this endorsement of seemingly old guard Wikimedians as our Board representation will support claims about the community becoming unfriendly to new participants. Thoughts? Am I being too nervous, or do others see that potential too? On the contrary, getting the old guard more active is essential in resolving such community issues -- Wikipedia was much more newbie-friendly in its first couple of years than it is today, and we need to recover that spirit. I concur. As you described in another thread about dividing your job in two, one can too easily get caught up in administrative tasks and forget what got us involved in the first place. We hang on because we still believe in the vision, and that vision comes with a deeply felt ethic. The old guard may even be more committed to democratic principles than the young Turks who profess to be. The dilemma therein for the old guard lies in the fact that the solution may lie in bold actions that conflict with our democratic ethic. Ec ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
