Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of March 11th, 2014
About privacy issues, On 24 March 2014 12:50, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote: wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20140311 * Privacy issues regarding GNOME Software statistics reporting * The GNOME Software statistics configuration moved to GNOME Control Center * https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=725912 * The change to send usage stats to distros by default was intentional I am very surprised to read the argument developed in [1]. Shouldn't GNOME preserve user's privacy far before serving distributor/vendor's interest? This is worrying. [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=725912#c2 * Bastien suggested this be explicitly asked/presented to users in GNOME Initial Setup I think that this is not enough: The user is not always the one who does the initial setup. Also the initial setup may have happened long ago, who will remember what he selected during initial setup? I think that the user must be informed at the same time when information is sent. Without having to dig into various settings. It could be, for example, a check box in GNOME Software with a label like: [x] send usage stats alongside the connection. or alike. Together with a link to the policy and details about what is actually sent. This would be clear and transparent, and would allow user to disable the service anytime, without any extra steps. * No further action seems to have taken place * Will it be done in time for 3.12? * GNOME Software has a policy about how the data will be used: * [[https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/tree/doc/privacy-policy.html]] From the policy, it is not clear to me if we store the IP or just a hash of it. All in all, this is far too technical, IMHO. Also the web-service used should be named explicitly. (as a side note, is IP a reliable information to identify unique users?) * But the data collection is not done by GNOME; it is done by distros. * Karen was consulted in #board since she is not able to attend today's meeting * She would want to get Bastien's solution in for 3.12 * Failing that, we should put something in the release notes * Conclusions: * Users should opt-in * Distros should provide their policy privacy to the user * Ask the Release Team if we can block against this being added in GNOME Initial Setup * '''ACTION''': Kat will reach out to gnome-software maintainers * '''ACTION''': Kat will email the Release Team * '''ACTION''': Karen will look at these issues from a legal standpoint * SXSW (South by South-West) travel report from Sri * Sri and Karen attended * Karen had a talk on Friday. While most of the sessions at SXSW seem to be not very well attended, there was a good amount of press coming out of it, including an article in Le Monde, in addition to the SXSW blogpost leading up to it with a very broad readership. * Advertised the talk via social media * Interest in OPW; another related to the medical field * had a GNOME event but it could be organized better, we need to organize the event well in advance and use multiple ways of advertising it, including posters and eventbrite. * Got a couple of new potential volunteers, and some interest in the west coast hackfest * Promotion of OPW by EFF, Rackspace, and Wordpress. Karen has several new fundraising leads for OPW. * Most people Sri spoke with knew what GNOME was, Free Software, etc. * Sri gave an interview that has since appeared in a blog post * [[http://evolver.fm/2014/03/08/sxsw-pitivi-aims-to-bring-real-video-editing-to-linux/]] * Karen's articles are: * [[http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2014/03/08/et-si-les-implants-medicaux-etaient-sous-licence-libre_4379783_651865.html]] * [[http://southxmrm.tumblr.com/post/78924379894/today-i-had-a-chance-to-meet-with-the-incredible]] * Karen also did a couple of other interviews, including one on about the remote session with Snowden where usability of free software was directly discussed. * In general, they think it was a really good experience * Difference: We are not preaching to a choir at SXSW, but people are quite savvy * Somewhat expensive conference. We need to partner with others like FSF, KDE, and others. Free Software tent? Karen has talked with people at a few other companies and orgs about having a free and open pavilion * If done again: Plan the event further ahead of time and promote it in fliers distributed around the venue. Maybe a team of people, perhaps rent a house to save money * Outstanding reimbursements * Reimbursement of sponsorship for FOSSASIA 2014 * Kat reviewed the receipts. Only the taxi receipts appear to be missing. * '''ACTION''': Kat will email Rosanna to make the payment and check the reimburment possibility of the taxi. * Doc hackfest not yet submitted, but should be done by the end of today * Financial
Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of March 11th, 2014
On 24 March 2014 14:43, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: On Mon, 2014-03-24 at 14:29 +0100, Luc Pionchon wrote: About privacy issues, On 24 March 2014 12:50, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote: wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20140311 * Privacy issues regarding GNOME Software statistics reporting * The GNOME Software statistics configuration moved to GNOME Control Center * https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=725912 * The change to send usage stats to distros by default was intentional I am very surprised to read the argument developed in [1]. Shouldn't GNOME preserve user's privacy far before serving distributor/vendor's interest? This is worrying. [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=725912#c2 * Bastien suggested this be explicitly asked/presented to users in GNOME Initial Setup I think that this is not enough: The user is not always the one who does the initial setup. Also the initial setup may have happened long ago, who will remember what he selected during initial setup? I think that the user must be informed at the same time when information is sent. Without having to dig into various settings. It could be, for example, a check box in GNOME Software with a label like: [x] send usage stats alongside the connection. or alike. Together with a link to the policy and details about what is actually sent. This would be clear and transparent, and would allow user to disable the service anytime, without any extra steps. You misread the bug report to say initial setup will be the only place where we'll ask that question. There will be a toggle in the Privacy panel obviously. And your argument is also pretty thin on the ground. The user didn't do the initial setup and the evil person who installed it is sending your software usage, in case the keylogger they installed isn't quite enough. No. This is not what I wrote. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes for the Board meeting of February 25th, 2014
On 4 March 2014 19:51, Germán Póo-Caamaño g...@gnome.org wrote: On Tue, 2014-03-04 at 10:15 +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20140225 = Minutes for Tuesday, February 25th, 2014, 17:00 UTC = == Next Meeting == * Monday, March 3rd, 2014, 16:00 UTC [...] * Should we set aside funding for a South American event box? * '''ACTION''': Kat to ask South American events organisers for the Foundation to sponsor an event box * Expected cost: USD 1000 to USD 2500 * https://wiki.gnome.org/Foundation/Grants/EventsBox This can turn out very expensive and inconvenient for people there. Have in mind that South America is bigger than appears in the map. Just for a reference, Ecuador -that tiny country in the map- looks smaller than France, but it is ~70,000 square kms bigger, it doubles size UK. interesting. France is about 550.000 km2, Ecuador seems to be 280.000 km2 and UK 240.000 km2 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Boston Summit 2013?
On 27 April 2013 17:08, Stormy Peters stormy.pet...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Richard, They are open source based startups. They call themselves open source projects. I think we should refer to them as open source projects regardless of what we call GNOME. If people from open source software projects want to join us at a GNOME event to learn more about GNOME, we should welcome them. Continuously telling some of our biggest fans that they are wrong all the time is not the way to grow our project. As a soft note, I did not read Richard's message this way. As I understood, he expressed that, they are OSS start-ups in Portland and that's OK, they may support GNOME, and that's good. *Then*, he expressed that, regarding GNOME, let's call it Free/Libre software (because this is what it is), and let's not call it OSS, which is different. I believe you both agree on your two first paragraphs. Kindly, Luc Stormy On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 7:46 AM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: This is true. Portland has a very large presence of many open source based start ups We're happy to accept support from those that talk about open source, but let's take care to present GNOME as a free/libre software project, with the goal of giving users freedom, rather than using the term open source ourselves. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Boston Summit 2013?
On 27 April 2013 19:15, Lefty le...@shugendo.org wrote: On Apr 27, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Luc Pionchon wrote: On 27 April 2013 17:08, Stormy Peters stormy.pet...@gmail.com wrote: Continuously telling some of our biggest fans that they are wrong all the time is not the way to grow our project. As a soft note, I did not read Richard's message this way. It always strikes me as curious that Mr. Stallman seems to be the only participant in the list who requires third-party exegesis in order to be properly understood. That's not quite true. As an example, I would require one. Unfortunately I don't have any. Why is that? ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: European bank account for donations
Hi, 2012/3/12 Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net: Em Sat, 2012-03-10 às 13:21 +0200, Luc Pionchon escreveu: snip What administrative hassle are you taking about concretely? http://www.interieur.gouv.fr/sections/a_votre_service/vos_demarches/association-utilite-publique/arup/downloadFile/attachedFile_5/pieces_demande_de_rup0206.pdf You are mistaking « utilité publique » and « intérêt général ». They are two different things. Both bring benefits to donators (charity donation tax deduction), but GNOME-FR does NOT qualify as an association « d'utilité publique ». In fact it is far away from qualifying. The future I could imagine where GNOME-FR would qualify is for example if all French schools would move to GNOME and the association would promote and support it's usage in each school. As you certainly know, GNOME-FR is far away from that. In practice, and to understand better what kind of associations qualify, it will be required over 200 members and a budget over 45.000 €. To be certified as an association of « utilité publique» is a BIG thing. There are not too many such associations in France. It is clearly out of scope, as I said in a previous message. On another hand, GNOME-FR does qualify as an association of « intérêt général » (I believe). The notion of « intérêt général » is specified by the tax office. It is not a certification. There is NO administrative step to take. The association just takes the responsibility to qualify itself as of « intérêt général » (or not). It will then deliver certificates to donators, who can then justify some tax deduction. To be of « intérêt général » an association must be for every body's benefit AND not for the profit of a few. Therefore have no activity for profit, do not profit specific persons, like the management, do not restrict the action to a limited amount of people, etc. As an example, I had a short exchange with Tristan Nitot from Mozilla, Mozilla Europe was a French association, but was not of « intérêt général » because his work as a president was remunerated, therefore also for his own profit. Optionally, an association may ask the tax office to investigate and clarify whereas it fits the « intérêt général » or not. There is a descriptive document to provide. If GNOME would benefit to go that way, and if you feel that it is an administrative hassle for you, I can help to set it up. I hope it clarifies. PS1: I think it is essential to be precise when we talk about legal matters, and to take the time to gather the right information. PS2: French readers can read more details at http://association1901.fr/blog/reglementation/utilite-publique-interet-general-utilite-sociale-a-ne-pas-confondre and here http://www.associations.gouv.fr ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: European bank account for donations
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 09:41, Frederic Crozat f...@crozat.net wrote: Le 9 mars 2012 23:51, Luc Pionchon pionchon@gmail.com a écrit : On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 22:36, Brian Cameron brian.came...@oracle.com wrote: Are any of GNOME's 3 sister organizations that have bank accounts in Europe a tax free charity currently? About French associations tax law, in a nutshell: GNOME-FR is a non-profit organization, so called association loi 1901. As a non-profit organization, it is tax free. I am not sure what you mean by charity and how it translates into French fiscal system. Charity is mean in the sense donations are deductible from your own tax. Thanks ! GNOME-fr is not a charity in that sense, it would need to become a association reconnue d'utilité publique, which is a lot of paper work and budget . An association d'intérêt général is enough, which GNOME-FR qualify. I can check the details. (I don't think GNOME-FR will ever qualify as an association reconnue d'utilité publique) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: European bank account for donations
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 13:11, Dodji Seketeli do...@seketeli.org wrote: Luc Pionchon pionchon@gmail.com a écrit: An association d'intérêt général is enough, which GNOME-FR qualify. I can check the details. Yes it is enough[1]. But even that would require us to go through quite some administrative hassle that we are not prepared for at the moment. We could probably aim for that as a longer term goal, though. But I wouldn't hold my breath. What administrative hassle are you taking about concretely? [1]: (Sorry, this link is in French): http://www.interieur.gouv.fr/sections/a_votre_service/vos_demarches/association-utilite-publique/arup -- Dodji ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: European bank account for donations
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 22:36, Brian Cameron brian.came...@oracle.com wrote: Are any of GNOME's 3 sister organizations that have bank accounts in Europe a tax free charity currently? About French associations tax law, in a nutshell: GNOME-FR is a non-profit organization, so called association loi 1901. As a non-profit organization, it is tax free. I am not sure what you mean by charity and how it translates into French fiscal system. There are some situations where associations loi 1901 would have to pay taxes, like when competing against commercial organizations, or working exclusively for commercial organizations, etc. basically when the non-profit aspect becomes questionable. This is not the case of GNOME-FR today. If the organization is of general interest, there is a possibility for people paying taxes in France to deduct from their own taxes a portion of their donations. I don't know if GNOME-FR made the request. I think it would qualify. To be confirmed. About the rules to transfer money to or from a US organization (the GNOME foundation), I don't know. I asked to one of my brothers. If not, then are we in a position to meet requirements and set one up? We need to better understand the tax implications. I do not think it makes sense for The GNOME Foundation to use European banks if the tax burdens outweigh the expense of bank transfers. What are the tax implications? I think The GNOME Foundation would be excited to see any serious proposal that explains a plan and describes what sort of savings The GNOME Foundation should expect by doing this. Brian On 03/ 9/12 09:39 AM, Joaquim Rocha wrote: On 03/09/2012 12:27 PM, Dave Neary wrote: GNOME has at least 3 sister organisations, with bank accounts, in the EU: GNOME Hispanic, GNOME-fr and GNOME Deutschland eV. It's actually GNOME Hispano. Why not create some kind of official relationship with one or more of them? I think this is a good idea. This relationship could be based on trust instead of creating yet another organ, with all the bureaucracy it often involves. The groups could receive generic donations that would be tight to the GNOME Foundation instead of the local branches and whenever the money needed to be used in Europe, it would be used from them. -- Joaquim Rocha ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Desktop Summit Planning
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 08:49, Andrew Cowie and...@operationaldynamics.comwrote: On Wed, 2011-12-14 at 20:25 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: I likely going to GUADEC as I can meet *only* GNOME focused people. With not having a GUADEC each year, I only meet GNOME people every other year I must admit this sentiment resonated. I have nothing at all against KDE people — I've met plenty of them over the years at other conferences — but my enthusiasm is for GNOME and the idea of going to a GNOME conference that is not mostly people concerned (at whatever level of the stack) with making GTK and GNOME awesome does not hold much appeal. Being able to make the assumption that everyone in the hallways is, one way or another, involved with GNOME has led to meeting all sorts of people that I had something in common with. Which is why I've enjoyed GUADECs and why some other F/OSS conferences have fallen short in this respect [nothing against those events, just that it's much harder to meet people who turn out to be relevant]. +1 Would it be beneficial to have (yearly) GUADEC with a collaboration freedesktop track? Where various external people would be invited to show their technology, their perspectives and their current challenges. For example KDE people, but also freedesktop, unity, android, whatever. Why not also proprietary solutions - and give them an opportunity to discover the potential benefits of Free Software and public collaborative projects. The focus shall be on discovery - for the audience, that is GNOME people. The discussions shall be targeted on possible collaborations and convergence : this is what we have, this is how with solved that, this is our plans, this is our challenges. Are there any benefits in future collaboration? It could of course already include GNOME matters that are reused elsewhere. Did last year (I was not here) ubuntu presented their own view on some matters and it was positively received (yes?). In practice, it might be at first limited, but if only one collaboration emerges, or even if we just get good inspiration, it's already a win. And it may grow in the future. I see that a yearly track, focused on collaboration freedesktop, would stimulate collaboration and constructive competition. What do you think? Luc ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - May 10th, 2011
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 04:44, Brian Cameron brian.came...@oracle.comwrote: * Og - Update the blog and planet to highlight that people are expected to sign and follow the GNOME Code of Conduct. I read the Code of Conduct and I felt it imperative and somehow negative (do this, don't do that). Could we turn it to the first person and in a more positive way? Something like: As a member of the GNOME community, I feel personally responsible to make it a place of good and positive collaboration. Especially, - I am respectful and considerate: (...) - I am patient and generous: (...) - I always assume people mean well: I know that decisions are often a difficult choice between competing priorities. When I disagree, I do so politely. When something seems outrageous, I always double check that I did not misinterpret it. When needed I ask for clarification. I never assume the worst: most people mean well. - I try to be concise in my communication: (...) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
