Re: It's time again for pants nominations

[Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)]

Hi,

On 30 May 2018 at 11:52, Nirbheek Chauhan  wrote:
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:23 PM Didier Roche  wrote:
>> The only
>> requirements are that the person is attending GUADEC to receive the
>> pants, and that it's not a current or outgoing board member.
>
> I really wanted to nominate Carlos Soriano for all the work done with the
> migration to GitLab, but he's a board member! Why does this requirement
> exist? I don't remember :)
>
> I also want to nominate:
>
> * Christian Hergert for his work on end-user developer tooling, such as
> GNOME Builder and Sysprof
> * Sriram Ramkrishna for his community work, which is a list too long to
> summarize here

FWIW, I also support these two nominations.

It's indeed a pity that we can't nominate Carlos but last I checked
with him, he's happy getting rewarded with votes (in the board
elections) and beers too. :)

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Affiliation change

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Hi all,

Sep 29 was my last day at Pelagicore and today is my first day at
Kinvolk gmbH. I will update wikipages.

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Re: Question to GNOME Foundation Board candidates

[Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)]

Hi Max,

On 26 May 2017 at 18:13, Max  wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> First, thanks to all candidates for volunteering to the Foundation Board.
> Max come from GNOME.Asia team and thanks GNOME and board support Asia.
>
>
> I know there will be more people ask questions about all domain with
> GNOME, so I ask 1 question with Asia first.
> I have 3 questions to all candidates ( sorry for my poor English )
>
> 1)  How many hours per week do you expect you will be able to dedicate
> to working on the board on a regular basis?

It's my first time so I don't know how much would suffice but I'm
hopeful I'll be able to give at least 2-3 hours every week, sometimes
more.

> 2)  What's your plan and view with GNOME in Asia? How do you think
> about grow GNOME in Asia?

Although I have never been fortunate enough to attend GNOME Asia[1],
I've been informed by participants that GNOME is pretty big in Asia so
I think we should definitely continue to have a presence in that part
of the world. While I do not have any suggestion as to how we can grow
in Asia, I'll be very glad to listen to any suggestion/ideas on that
and try my best to execute them if they are worth pursuing.

> 3)  How do you make GNOME great again? ( Sorry for my poor English again )
>  Any idea about let everyone say " Wow!! it's GNOME " " I know GNOME :) "

I think GNOME is pretty great already but of course there is a long
way to perfection and we should strive for perfection but I believe
most of the work towards that is accomplished by awesome contributors
like yourself and a lot of it is through coding.

What foundation can do IMO is to (try to) ensure that conferences and
hackfests are sponsored and advertised. AFAIK foundation has already
been doing a great job at that so we just need to continue that. We
have GUADEC as our biggest event, then we have GNOME Asia and then
Boston summit too. We have plenty of hackfests too. We also try to
sponsor all our GSoC student to attend GUADEC. So again, I think we
just need to keep doing what we are already doing.

Of course if we realize that we have the budget to do more, we should
consider the possibility of arranging more events. Personally, I would
be more inclined to arrange more hackfests than conferences as you can
get a lot done in a few days than you'd get done in months with
hackfests.

Many folks have dayjobs that doesn't pay them to work on GNOME so
while they have a desire to contribute, they never managed to
contribute enough because it's difficult for them to focus on GNOME
work. Hackfests give these contributors the escape they need from
daily routine/work to contribute.

What I can do personally is to arrange hackfests where we feel there
is a need for focused hacking/work together in one room. As you might
know, I've arranged a hackfest in the past[2] and participated in a
few so I've some experience there that should help me.

> Thanks again for all candidates volunteering to the Foundation Board.

You're most welcome and thanks a lot for your contributions as well.

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[1] Although I was born and raised in Pakistan, which is logically a
part of Asia, the software industry in there seems more connected with
Europe and US than rest of Asia.

[2] https://wiki.gnome.org/Hackfests/Location2014
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Re: Travel committee disfunctional?

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On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 3:35 AM, Max <sakana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Zeeshan and ALL

Hi Max,

> I am Max, one of the travel committee members and GNOME.Asia members.
>
>
> We have 2 wiki for GNOME travel instruction.

Thanks so much for providing all the details here. Also thanks a bunch
for reimbursement (I've received it today).

I have some comments for the record:

> Honestly, when I see this mail at foundation-list, I feel a little sad why I
> spend much time at volunteers task. ( But I will still do more with GNOME
> cause that’s the way I choose to contribute )

I'm very sorry if my mail here caused you (or anyone) any grief. The
point was to bring up a potential issue that I saw: If travel
committee members do not have sufficient time to be able to
communicate in timely manner to folks awaiting for reimbursement. If
that is the case, nobody is to be blamed (since as you said, you're
all volunteers) but rather we should talk about possible solutions.

I do realize now that I failed completely to communicate the actual
intent of the email and perhaps didn't choose the best of the wording,
for which I'm sorry.

> 2016/3/1   -   Accept the explain, note will change to paypal method ( but
> not give information )

I actually did send Kat a paypal request immediately after but was not
informed then that that is not good enough. The last I heard from
travel-committee at this time was that travel-committee will follow-up
with Rosanna. So I kept on waiting..

> 2016/3/3   -  Zeeshan  -  Ask reibursement status
>
> 2016/3/3   -  Travel Committee  -  Reply to zeeshan, not receive paypal
> information from zeeshan so Rosanna can’t pay via payal method
>
> 2016/3/3   -  Zeeshan  -  Provide  paypal account information
>
> 2016/3/10 -  Zeeshan  -  Ask reimbursement status again and send to
> foundation-list mail

Actually there were 6 days between these two events. My mail to
foundation-list was on 2016/3/16.

> 2016/3/10 -  Travel Committee  - Notify Zeeshan already in reimbursement
> queue

This didn't happen so since I had not received any reply for two
weeks, I got very frustrated.

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Re: Travel committee disfunctional?

[Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)]

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Alberto Ruiz <ar...@gnome.org> wrote:
> Zeeshan,

Alberto,

> I understand your frustration,

I like to believe people mean well and I think you do too in here but
sorry I don't feel that you understand my frustration, reading through
the rest of your reply. You completely focused on my email and showing
how it's not constructive at all, instead of suggesting any solution
to the actual problem.

> but how would you feel if you were one of the volunteers throwing as much
> spare time as you have to help in the committee and you read your email (or
> even just the subject, which I find discouraging enough)? how would you feel
> if you were thinking about becoming a volunteer on this or some other
> committee/group within GNOME and saw this kind of negative feedback thrown?
> Do you think your email is particularly encouraging?

1. Soon after sending this email, I immediately started to get replies
to my emails from one member of the travel committee and was informed
of the status of my reimbursement So yes, this seems to have been not
entirely futile.

2. I did not mean this to be a insulting email but more like bringing
up an issue. If my choice of words wasn't the best, I do apologise.

> We must be rather careful with words towards people making an extra effort
> outside of their work/"normal" life to help run this community. This sort of
> problem is normal in any volunteer based organization, which you should know
> by now, and your email doesn't quite point things towards any particular
> solution. What are we (the foundation members) supposed to do with your
> email? Unleash some sort of imaginary whip towards the travel committee? I'm
> pretty sure they're doing their best.

Like many people here suggested, a solution could be for more people
on the committee. If that's the case, I'd like to volunteer (though
I'm guessing this is the not the right place for that).

P.S. Please note that the actual re-reimbursement process being slow
is not what I was getting frustrated about but rather the complete
lack of communication from the committee for weeks in a row despite
weekly reminders and having no idea about when I'll be reimbursed.

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Travel committee disfunctional?

[Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)]

Hi everyone,

I'm sorry to bring this up but it seems to me that travel-committee
members do not have time for doing their job in a timely manner. I say
this cause it's now been several weeks that I applied for FOSDEM
re-reimbursement but have not yet received it. Soon after the
conference I was informed that I need to blog about the events and I
did that as soon as I could, even though I was ill, assuming that
would mean me getting reimbursed sooner. After a few weeks of waiting
and regular reminders, I was asked if I would rather want to be
reimbursed to paypal instead and it's been two weeks since I provided
my paypal details now. I pinged the travel-committee list a few times
since then but I have got no response at all.

I understand that travel-committee is composed of volunteers and they
could get real busy with their work and life but if people have to
spend a lot of time on getting the committee members to do their jobs,
I think we have a problem and we need to talk about it.

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Re: [Builder] Developer experience (DX) hackfest 2016

[Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)]

Hi,

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:28 AM, Richard Stallman <r...@gnu.org> wrote:
> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>
> Jitsi works fine for meetings.  All each participant needs is
> to visit a given URL; it could hardly be easier.

FWIW, I just tested this here with help from Lasse Schuirmann and and
Jakub Steiner. For me and Lasse, it worked like a charm, out of the
box (actually better first time experience than with Google hangout
since you are not asked to download/install some packages). However,
Jakub had some issues getting video to work and then some problem with
mic as well but IIUC, it was to do with his special hardware not being
properly supported by drivers.

> I thought we were looking for one-way streaming to a lot of people,
> not for a meeting.  But I could have misunderstood that.

It's a hackfest, so while the primary objective is one-way
communication, it would be very much desirable IMO for remote
participants to be able to talk with us.

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Re: FOSDEM Desktops DevRoom 2016 Call for Participation

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On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Christophe Fergeau <t...@gnome.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 01:45:59PM +0000, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote:
>> Hi Christophe,
>>
>> While I greatly appreciate your (and of everyone involved) voluntary
>> work on organising the devroom, I really wish we did not put all these
>> big projects into one devroom for just one day. Is there any way we
>> could get GNOME its own devroom (even for a day) in FOSDEM 2017?
>
> Given the amount of projects asking for devrooms, I suspect this is
> going to be hard. The FOSDEM organizers asked us to merge the devrooms
> for a reason. We already only have this shared devroom only for a day.

Yeah I understand that but I'm wondering if they could be persuaded
not to treat all applying projects equally and give more room and time
to projects that are more popular/bigger. I didn't want to say bad of
any projects in particular here but I feel I have to give an example,
to make my point so I'll mention one that I actually love: Guile.
Given that there is a handful of people who use Guile (or even Scheme
in general), I really don't see why it should be given the same amount
of room/time as GNOME and KDE.

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Re: FOSDEM Desktops DevRoom 2016 Call for Participation

[Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)]

nization
>>
>> The Desktops DevRoom 2016 is managed by a team representing the most
>> notable open desktops:
>>
>>
>>- Pau Garcia i Quiles, KDE
>>
>>- Christophe Fergeau, Gnome
>>
>>- Michael Zanetti, Unity
>>
>>- Philippe Caseiro, Enlightenment
>>
>>- Jérome Leclanche, Razor
>>
>>
>> If you want to join the team, please contact pgquiles at elpauer dot org
>
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Re: Foundation Membership status verification

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On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Alexandre Franke
alexandre.fra...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
 zeesha...@gnome.org wrote:
 Hi,

 Hey,

 I don't even remember/know whats my username.

 Did you try your GNOME email alias?

Thanks. yeah that is it. I better drink more tea. :)

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Re: Minutes of the Board meeting of July 25th, 2014

[Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)]

On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Sindhu S sind...@live.in wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
 zeesha...@gnome.org wrote:

 Oh your visa was rejected? Really sorry to hear, having been there
 myself. Did they give any reasons?

 Why are you being sarcastic? You are very well aware of the issue and
 incidents preceding it.
 This was your previous mail to the list
 https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2014-April/msg00106.html.

No, I don't read every mail, sorry.

 Please refrain from this kinda of behaviour, its not helping me or the
 community in anyway.

That was a sincere question and I actually have gone through a fair
bit of visa issues.

I don't know what to say but remind you of Assume people mean well
part of our code of conduct:

https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Foundation/CodeOfConduct

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Re: Minutes of the Board meeting of March 25th, 2014

[Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)]

On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 2:41 AM, meg ford meg...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Zeeshan,

 On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
 zeesha...@gnome.org wrote:

 Since visa process is not in the hands of the board, I think any help
 that board offers is a big favour so IMO what is unfair here is for
 you to complain for not getting a favour while another person did. I'm
 a bit sad to hear this from an ex-OPW participant as OPW is itself an
 unfair[1] advantage and you were one of the people to get that. If it
 makes you feel better, Diego will not get that favour.


 This comment was orthogonal to the discussion, and as a former OPW intern I
 found it to be discouraging.

It really should not be. Did you see my footnote to this comment? If
you did, Its here:

 [1] Don't get me wrong, being a big supporter of OPW, I understand the
 rationale for being unfair and in fact thats my point.

Feel free to contact me in private if you want me to expand on that
since you yourself pointed out, this discussion is orthogonal to the
thread.

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Re: Minutes of the Board meeting of March 25th, 2014

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On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Hashem Nasarat hnasa...@gmail.com wrote:
 In regards to this issue: I hope the board, to stymie discontent 
 demonstrate equity, will settle on an equal solution for both Diego and
 Sindhu, both outstanding members of our community.

 With that said I really don't care to argue, but since nobody else has
 called you out: nitpicks below  inline.

Really? Sri and Sindhu already replied. There really was no need to
retatiate with a message full of sarcasm and insults. My intention was
only to defend the board but since a board member himself thought that
I'm wrong here, I decided to rest my case.

Since you asked, I will reply in private to address your valid points about OPW.

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Re: GNOME Foundation Board candidacy: Seif Lotfy

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Hi Seif,

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM, seiflo...@googlemail.com
seiflo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Name: Seif Lotfy
 Email: seiflotfy (at) gmail.com
 Affiliation: None

 I have been a GNOME contributor since 2007. And served on the board of
 directors the past year.

Could you kindly provide a brief summary of your work/contributions as
board member in the past year? It would greatly help the members in
deciding to vote for you.

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Re: pvanhoof issue (was: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap)

[Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)]

Hi,

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:31 AM, Jonathon Jongsma
jonat...@quotidian.org wrote:
 On Sun, 2010-02-28 at 03:11 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote:
 On Sun, 2010-02-28 at 04:02 +0200, Zeeshan Ali wrote:
  Hi everyone,
 
   I don't think we need ethics-teachings about this. We GNOME
  programmers  know. We do.
 
  I can't say for others but I for one find it extremely insulting when
  Mr. Van Hoof represent me without my concent. I really want to know
  who in the the hell made him the GNOME developers' representative and
  be able to tell others what I know and need?

 Saying that we don't need lessons morality is extremely insulting to
 you?

 I think you know perfectly well what Zeeshan is objecting to, despite
 your feigned incredulity above.  You repeatedly post imflammatory things
 and try to pick fights with Richard Stallman and the FSF, and then you
 act as if you're speaking for GNOME developers when the predictable
 argument begins.  I for one have basically stopped reading most
 foundation-list threads because you insist on dragging every single
 conversation down into the mud.

  Thanks for your clarification. Thing is that Philip had been using
the word 'we' quite a lot in the recent endless discussions as part of
his crusade to draw a thick border between Free Software and GNOME[1].
I didn't complain so far because it wasn't always 100% clear if he
means 'all GNOME developers' by 'we' until now where he made it
perfectly clear.

  Now that that is sorted out, I would like the foundation to forbid
him from doing so in future. Once that is done, I can live a happy
life by joining the ever growing 'just put pvanhoof on your ignore
list on IRC and email' group.

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[1] Which I believe is doomed to fail since GNOME started as an effort
to create a completely free (as in freedom) desktop environment and
despite all efforts from Philip  Lefty we have yet to see any
compelling reason to change that definition.
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Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

[Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)]

Hi,

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote:
       So say we all! Unfortunately, I don't see any free (or even close)
    alternatives out there. The closest I can find are some local social
    networking websites[1] but they've traditionally concentrated on
    localization rather than internationalization.

 Social networking sites are not the only way to announce events.
 People do this also with email.

 Perhaps with a little thought we can define a spec for how to include
 the details of an event in a message in an easy-to-parse way, and
 encourage people to use that rather than facebook.

  If by 'people' you mean people like you and me, sure! this has a
very good chance of success. However, I doubt you meant that. Here is
how I know this has very little chances of success: I personally know
many people who prefer facebook messages over email and I am not
talking about events or other messages but just plain messages to
friends.

   A solution that IMHO has much better chances of success is to
create a free alternative to facebook. However, who is going to do it
and more importantly who is going to pay for this effort? :(

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Re: pvanhoof issue (was: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap)

[Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)]

Hi,

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Dodji Seketeli do...@seketeli.org wrote:
 Le dim. 28 févr. 2010 à 19:20:39 (+0200), Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) a écrit:
   Thanks for your clarification. Thing is that Philip had been using
 the word 'we' quite a lot in the recent endless discussions as part of
 his crusade to draw a thick border between Free Software and GNOME[1].
 I didn't complain so far because it wasn't always 100% clear if he
 means 'all GNOME developers' by 'we' until now where he made it
 perfectly clear.

   Now that that is sorted out, I would like the foundation to forbid
 him from doing so in future. Once that is done, I can live a happy
 life by joining the ever growing 'just put pvanhoof on your ignore
 list on IRC and email' group.

 I feel your pain, Zeeshan, seriously. But FWIW I tend to be against that
 sort of police on foundation-list, even though I agree that would give a
 break to people like you and me.

   Me too! Please keep in mind that I am not suggesting any actions
against Philip or anyone. All I want is for him to stop saying
anything on my behalf. Other than that, he can do or say whatever he
wants.

 So yeah, I am part of the club you mentionned above, but just for IRC.
 Maybe I should just go ahead and do the same for email.

  Why am I not surprised. :)

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Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

[Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)]

Hi,

 It is also important to give equally good support to other systems
 people can use for telling each other about events; for instance,
 social networking sites of the free software community, and
 peer-to-peer methods.  This way, GNOME won't favor Facebook over those
 other methods.


 I'm sure most of us agree to that. Don't worry ;).

   So say we all! Unfortunately, I don't see any free (or even close)
alternatives out there. The closest I can find are some local social
networking websites[1] but they've traditionally concentrated on
localization rather than internationalization. This policy did help
them succeed in the countries they operated in and/or targeted but
only until facebook became widespread. They failed to compete against
this new service that offered the same features they offered but
attracted users from all over the world.

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Re: FOSDEM Report

[Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)]

Hi,


On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote:
 Hi,

  Hi Vincent,

 The GNOME presence at FOSDEM this year was quite good, and I believe
 things went (surprisingly ;-)) smoothly:

Thanks for the nice summary. :)

  + the beer event on Saturday evening was a good place to catch up with
   GNOME friends.

   While that event is always awesome due to many GNOME developers
socializing but I couldn't help notice that there is always some
people missing in there. Whenever I've asked the missing people, they
complain about Claustrophobic atmosphere of the bar we do this. So
just one suggestion: Could we please do it some other place next year?

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Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

[Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)]

Hi,

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Philip Van Hoof pvanh...@gnome.org wrote:
 ps. The rest is off topic. It's a bit silly that yet another off topic
 thread is starting. Richard, the topic is Behdad's call for a vote. Not
 your ethical believe system. No matter how important you think that is.

 People who want to reply to this part: consider taking it private.

  I agree but I think you can set a better example by not yourself
getting into the debate and explaining in great details (mostly
irrelevant) about the open-source and it is all about ethics and
morality. Are you in some way special?

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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

[Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)]

Hi,

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote:
 Hi,

 Lefty wrote:
 Given the proposition that proprietary software is illegitimate, and
 the statement above, do you believe that the GNOME Foundation and
 community should distance itself from companies which produce proprietary
 software?

 Specifically, should the Advisory Board be dissolved, and should the
 Foundation refuse further financial support from the companies that
 are currently on the Ad Board?

 I for one am interested in Richard's position on this. Mine is clear: I have 
 no problem at all working with companies who want to improve GNOME or the 
 GNOME platform, even if they develop proprietary software. And the money they 
 give to GNOME gets used to improve GNOME, so as long as there are no strings 
 attached, I don't care particularly why they give it.

 On the other hand, I feel under no obligation to promote their non-free 
 software offerings, or guilt in encouraging free equivalents of their 
 proprietary components  products.

  I fee like you took thoughts out of my mind but unlike me were able
to express them very nicely. :)

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Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

[Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)]

Hi,

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Philip Van Hoof pvanh...@gnome.org wrote:
 GNOME, both as a community and as a foundation, should teach the good
 examples and critic the bad ones.

 GNOME should stick to teaching the good examples. Criticizing the bad
 ones is only counter productive.

  Just curious, shouldn't you be thinking the same way when posting
pictures of flying spaghetti monster on your blog?

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Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

[Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)]

Hi!
   First of all, thanks a millions to Behdad and Elijah for taking up
this task and congrats for managing to accomplish it so effectively.

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote:
 On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Karl Lattimer k...@qdh.org.uk wrote:
 I'd like to remind people of John Carr's recent blog post too, someone 
 mentioned in the survey results actually. JC has been working on bzr with 
 git protocol support, which would fulfil many of the requirements for having 
 a GNOME DVCS.


 I'd like to point out that--of the 15 people who regularly use git and
 bzr--git still won.
 http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/survey/first-picks-permutations.png It
 seems to me that a lot of brain power, sysadmin time, and general
 proliferation of Things To Learn for New People(tm) can be saved if
 the six people (1.04% of respondents) who ranked bzr above git in that
 graph can just bite the bullet and admit that git won. Can we please
 just all move on?

 My fear is that this effort to keep bzr on life support will cause bzr
 to show up as a requirement in distcheck for modules maintained by
 people who are still holding out.

  So say we all (?) but now is the problem of who will do the move to
git? Last I checked, nobody except for Federico volunteered for that
and IIRC he is going to do this using his spare time which we all
know might not be enough for such a big task. I hope I am wrong about
this and we do have enough resources to do the move but in case I am
right, I think we should seriously consider John's idea.

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Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

[Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)]

Hi!

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote:
 On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 09:40:33AM -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
 On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote:
 Moving will not be easy, obviously. But doing it John's way will be,
 in my technical analysis, an order of magnitude more painful.

 His way is a solution I expect to be implemented in 2009.

  No matter how good that sounds, it's still not a solution, it's a
workaround to the problem that we don't have (human) resources to do a
move to git.

 To be honest,
 I really wonder if something else would happen that I'd qualify as a
 good switch.

  How about we set-up a task-force of volunteers who would want to
help in the move, each volunteer promising at least 3 hours a week? 3
hours is a very small amount of time but I am hoping that we'll be
able to gather at least 10 volunteers and together we can do it, even
using our spare time.

  In any case, after looking at the results of the survey we should
only look at hybrid/dual proposal like John's when we don't find any
way of moving to git in a reasonable amount of time ( 6 months).

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Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

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On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Luca Ferretti elle@libero.it wrote:
 Il giorno dom, 04/01/2009 alle 16.11 -0500, Matthias Clasen ha scritto:

 It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is
 not suitable as a longterm, stable solution for a project the size of
 gnome.

 BTW, once switched to DVCS, how much disk space I should have in order
 to perform a full GNOME Desktop build with jhbuild? A WebKit build from
 git needs ~740MB :-/

  How much does it consume if it's a svn checkout? I heard (don't know
if it's true or not) git repo usually takes less diskspace then svn
checkout. This page seems to support this claim:

http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitSvnComparsion

An SVN working directory always contains two copies of each file: one
for the user to actually work with and another hidden in .svn/ to aid
operations such as status, diff and commit. In contrast a Git working
directory requires only one small index file that stores about 100
bytes of data per tracked file. On projects with a large number of
files this can be a substantial difference in the disk space required
per working copy.

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Re: Some Finnish thoughts of Guadec+aKademy 2009

[Zeeshan Ali Khattak]

Hi everyone!

On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Petri Räsänen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Questions to ask are
 (1) where is Free Software in most need of support?

 The community-building card has been the defining factor for France vs
 UK for example.  But I didn't expect to see it played by Finland or
 Spain bids, given how integrated Nokia and Igalia are in the GNOME
 ecosystem.  Gran Canaria on the other hand... ;).

 Although Nokia is an active player, we got to remember that it is not the
 whole community even here.
 There are signals that  there is a new generation of hackers growing in the
 universities etc at the moment, and currently they often have no direct
 connections with the corporate world, Nokia or others. For them this event
 would be a great opportunity to get involved in the community.  And vice
 versa; New blood, new drive!

  Before the board(s) make the decision I must remind them that this
is a very important point. During my stay in Finland for the past 3
years I've observed that there is a big amount of extremely talented
potential contributors in Finland who don't just have any motivation
to contribute and therefore do not. We could blame the Finnish culture
for that :) but lets not getting into blame game and keep in mind that
such conferences would be great opportunities for motivating these
contributors to contribute as they'll be able to get to know of
practical benefits of working with/for community in these conferences.

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Re: Akademy+GUADEC *2009* Hosting Proposals

[Zeeshan Ali Khattak]

Hi guys!

 On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Lennart Poettering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are there even any direct flights to Tampere, except from HEL?

  You are kidding me right? :) You haven't heard of the wonders of
Ryanair and you are against Tampere bid? :)

   Regarding food and beer, Quim said it better than I could have but
just wanted to remind you that you have to *buy* your water in Spain
and when it's warm you drink lots of it and when you are hung-over
everyday you must drink even more. :) In Finland you can just drink
from the tap and save the money for the beer, which as Quim pointed
out will not be expensive.

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Re: Akademy+GUADEC *2009* Hosting Proposals

[Zeeshan Ali Khattak]

Yo!

Regarding food and beer, Quim said it better than I could have but
 just wanted to remind you that you have to *buy* your water in Spain
 and when it's warm you drink lots of it and when you are hung-over
 everyday you must drink even more. :) In Finland you can just drink
 from the tap and save the money for the beer, which as Quim pointed
 out will not be expensive.

 I would assume that it's fine to drink the tap water in the canaries
 just fine. But I might be mistaken.

  I'll be surprised if that is the case since I've been on Tenerife
and it wasn't possible in there.

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Re: Akademy+GUADEC *2009* Hosting Proposals

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Hello!
   If my vote counts, I'll vote for Finand because:

1. I live here. :)

2. GUADEC has happened in Spain twice already and it has never
happened in Finland. AFAIK Akademy has never happened in Finland
before either right?.

3. Not many GNOMEs have every been to Finland but that is not true about Spain.

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