Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread sankarshan
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org wrote:
 [/me removes board hat]

 I like to ask for your support in my petition for referendum to make
 foundation-list archives private and membership limited to actual Foundation
 members.  If we make that change we would be able to discuss matters freely
 without making lots of news that more often than not are harmful to our
 image to the world in general.

 Please sign here:  http://live.gnome.org/PrivateFoundationListPetition

 We would need 35 to 40 signatures to put this to vote.

This isn't the way to go. Trolls will be everywhere and, discussions
will float on to news sites. For example, I see that happen for Fedora
far often. Taking the discussions into a -private might stop news from
percolating via journalistic sources, but get out it will. Keeping the
discussions open and transparent might actually help emphasizing the
ethos of transparency that GNOME has.

Watching two or three folks take a discussion totally off-track is
nothing new. It happens all the time. A -private, I feel, isn't the
solution.

Please don't do this.

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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-09 Thread sankarshan
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote:
     I don't believe Frederic was pointing at Miguel.  There are people who
     have left the Gnome community working on products that don't use any
     Gnome technology posting blog post/ads for said product on PGO.

 I wonder whether these products are free software.
 If not, they certainly shouldn't promote them on Planet GNOME.

I think we are mashing together a bunch of issues. So, in effect, are
we looking for:

[0] a way to measure what could be appropriate content for Planet GNOME
[1] a way to prevent non-free or equivalent software being marketed
via the Planet
[2] a way to handle the consequences if there is either inappropriate content
[3] a way to handle the consequences if there is a pitch for software
that is orthogonal to GNOME values

I can certainly agree to the need to have a Code of Conduct,
communities have one, either implicit or, explicit. But, unless there
is a clearly delineated process to handle the exceptions, a Code of
Conduct is just a document.



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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-08 Thread sankarshan
2009/12/8 Pierre-Luc Beaudoin pierre-...@pierlux.com:
 On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 03:23 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
 But I find it interesting to know, say, what Miguel is up to these
 days. I don't think it's just me...

 I don't believe Frederic was pointing at Miguel.  There are people who
 have left the Gnome community working on products that don't use any
 Gnome technology posting blog post/ads for said product on PGO.

[0] Unless specific names are pointed out to the Board or, on this
list, the shadow boxing will be more harmful

[1] How does one define that they have left the GNOME community ?

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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-08 Thread sankarshan
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org wrote:
 On 12/09/2009 01:37 AM, Sankar P wrote:

 Say, any viewer of p.g.o can vote a post +1 or -1.  Then we can gather
 two
 metrics per poster: 1) how impactful his/her posts are (avg / median /
 max
 number of votes).  2) how interested are readers in his/her posts (avg /
 median / min/max score.

 We can then have threshold to hide / collapse unpopular posts.  That part
 can even be done using JavaScript and you can the threshold on the page
 and
 more posts will collapse/uncollapse...


 Really ? Most people read posts in Google reader (offline) and may not
 even be interested to vote for every author.

 No one *has* to vote.  And we can have different feeds for different
 thresholds.

Coming back to the starting point - what is the problem to which the
solution is being discussed ?


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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-08 Thread sankarshan
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org wrote:

 Coming back to the starting point - what is the problem to which the
 solution is being discussed ?

 Read the thread?

I have been following the thread since the inception. The intent of
the (rhetorical ?) question was to bring forth the fact that we are
discussing solutions of myriad variety without looking at whether it
can be solved non-programmatically. Hence, the question.


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Re: Presenting the 2009 Q2 GNOME Quarterly Report

2009-09-11 Thread sankarshan
Hi,

2009/9/11 Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org:

 This is our first quarterly report[1]. Please let us know if you find it
 useful!

 In these quarterly reports we want to focus on what the GNOME Foundation and
 its members are doing, so most of the reporting is done by the teams doing
 the work. (If you would like to contribute an update in the future, please
 let me know.) For example, in the quarterly report, you can learn how:

This is incredibly useful - a big thank you to all those involved in
the production of the report. Is it possible to include a section that
deals with what is coming up in the next quarter (in the perspective
of plans) ? I also note that the Translations Project did not have a
segment for themselves.

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Re: GNOME Advisory Board Member Interviews

2009-08-13 Thread sankarshan
2009/8/13 Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org:

Thank you for the extremely well laid out and detail of the note.

[snip]

  * Qt is seen as having better API documentation because Trolltech has
 documentation writers.

I believe that the above sentiment has been coming up for a
considerable number of times in the past, are there ways to start a
discussion to progress towards having better documentation and, more
importantly, some improved stability ?

[snip]

 GNOME on a stick. Sugar on a stick has been very successful. Should consider
 GNOME on a stick - would also enable people to experiment more without
 feeling like they were changing all of GNOME.

SoaS did have a somewhat more elevated aim than being a mere show off
at an event way of doing things. Would GoaS be able to differentiate
itself from the GNOME LiveMedia (Foresight based) that is available
during post-release (and, which are extremely good to have) ?

[snip]

 Mentioned an article by J5 that talked about that RH, Novell and others are
 less involved because of the maintenance burden.They spend time on money on
 things like translations. No process to get them upstream and so they do it
 all over again next year.

I am a bit curious to know more about the context of the comment
above. Which translations, which projects and, specific examples of
non-upstream(ing). To the best of my knowledge, translations (at least
the Indic ones) are upstream and, have been consistently maintained
adhering to the best traditions of community-driven translations which
are part of GTP.

I can either check the cia.vc bot or, the l10n.gnome.org site to
confirm this but I am sure that anyone from the GTP team would be able
to do that more nicely as well.

~sankarshan

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Re: Free Desktop Communities come together at the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit

2009-08-12 Thread sankarshan
[taking foundation-announce out of the cc: fields]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Srinivasa Ragavansraga...@gnome.org wrote:

[snippet]

  The main, and most important, reason for not wanting to co-locate
 next year is because the GNOME  community needs to focus on GNOME 3.0,
 and next year's GUADEC will be the most sensible place to plan and do
 whatever finishing work needs to be done. While we support doing
 co-located conferences in the future, next year simply doesn't make
 the most sense to do this again.  We need to make sure our focus is on
 making GNOME 3.0 a finished product and co-locating would likely be a
 distraction to this goal.

 There were few more points like preserving GUADEC and Academy as one
 of main conferences for GNOME and KDE respectively. We co located this
 year and if we do next year also, the message could be a bit
 different.

 It was a hard decision because, there is real interest in making KDE
 and GNOME work well together. While this is also an important goal,
 but we don't need to co-locate every year for this. We might have
 hackfests together with KDE/GNOME in the future.

Would it be then appropriate to conclude that in-spite of the really
positive blogs|reports from the GCDS, the underlying feeling is not
conducive towards co-location ?

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Re: Free Desktop Communities come together at the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit

2009-08-12 Thread sankarshan
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:31 PM, john
palmierijohn.j5.palmi...@gmail.com wrote:

[snipping out parts of an well thought out response]

 To sum it all up - fools rush in.  We really need to take a step back and
 really try to understand what we wish to accomplish in another co-located
 event given the grand experiment of the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit.  Given
 that the polls were not overwhelmingly for or against (I would say they
 pointed to a more moderate, I had a good time so yay either way) we should
 look at the no for next year as a middle ground also.   It allows us to
 discuss the pros and cons on the Foundation list without hamstringing
 efforts to organize next years conference (we really need to start
 organizing now).  I would say it is very likely we will co-locate the
 following year and even organize smaller events sooner than later.  If we
 want to do this right, we do it slowly and methodically.  We don't rush in
 because of an air of urgency due to impatience.

Thank you for the detail in your response. I would say that it does
make it a bit more clear than the numbers from the survey (which make
sense now).

/s



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Re: Questions for the candidates - let's start the discussion(s)

2009-05-28 Thread sankarshan
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote:

 Last year, right after the candidates list closed, Bruno posted a list of 10
 questions which, presumably, the committee came up with:
 http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2007-November/msg00153.html

 There was no gathering  filtering of questions, so if people had questions
 that the membership committee hadn't thought of, they felt like they hadn't
 had a chance to ask them.

If memory serves right, the context of the questions have always been
picked from the discussions off the planet and various GNOME lists.


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Re: GNOME Foundation Elections - Call for Questions

2009-05-26 Thread sankarshan
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Luis Villa l...@tieguy.org wrote:
 On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote:
 Please send your questions to membership-committee gnome org until the
 27th of May.

 Would it be possible to have this process be public, for example on this
 mailing list or on Desktop Notes? Knowing what questions others want to ask
 (or seeing that no-one has asked the thing they're interested in yet) may
 jolt people into action.

 Fedora uses a wiki page for this, I believe, which seems like a good idea.

Traditionally, the questions are collection from interested parties
and, an individual from the Membership and Elections Committee posts
it in public so as to allow the candidates to frame responses and,
respond.

A wiki page could form the basis of a collection, sorting, sifting and
finalizing of questions I guess.
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Re: GNOME Foundation Elections - Call for Questions

2009-05-26 Thread sankarshan
2009/5/26 BJörn Lindqvist bjou...@gmail.com:
 Last year (1.5 years to be exact) people just posted their questions
 to foundation-list and most (or all) candidates answered diligently
 and dutifully at length. Is a more complicated system needed this
 year?

A wiki page on live.gnome.org should be a fine way to [i] collect the
questions [ii] sift, select and collate them [iii] present a final set
of questions for t

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Re: Copyright assignment policy

2008-03-13 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

| What is the policy of contributing to the GNOME project and expected
copyright
| assignment?
|
| I am Alexander Shopov and I act as a co-ordinator of the Bulgarian Gnome
| translation team.
|
| Up till now, the copyrights have been assigned to the Free Software
Foundation, Inc.

Allow me to ask a different question : what is the problem or
anticipated problem that compels you to ask this question, given that
until now FSF was being assigned copyrights ? Perhaps a response to that
can also provide a guidance on to the reply ...

I have heard this question on various l10n projects however, I do not
recall anyone actually coming up with a solution or even a response to
what is the problem we want to resolve ?

Sorry for forking the thread though


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A word of thanks

2008-03-04 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
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Have been meaning to do this for a while. This is just a word of thanks
to the Foundation Board for approving a tidy amount that came handy for
swag in India. Right through foss.in to a smaller set of events in
February (GNUnify, FOSSKriti, freed.in) had GNOME supporters. FOSSKriti
was a bit of a success for the Beagle hackfest as well.

Might be [OT] for this list, but thought that it is always good to share
good news.

~sankarshan

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Re: Ga-nome or NOME

2008-02-12 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
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Ani Peter wrote:

| I have heard a lot of people pronouncing GNOME as Ga-nome and I feel
| Nome is the correct pronunciation.

Some of the common pronunciations are: Gee-nome (where Gee rhymes with
see) or Guh-nome (where Guh rhymes a bit with duh :P).
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=gnome has a pronunciation
that's a rhyme with nome

Could be a page on live.gnome.org :)


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Re: Report of the GNOME Project Day at foss.in/2007

2007-12-13 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
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Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote:

 At foss.in/2007, there was a GNOME Project Day. Details of the talks for
 the GNOME Project can be found at http://foss.in/2007/schedules/

and some more pictures thanks to Ramakrishna Reddy are here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/gnomeprojectday/

:sankarshan


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Re: Help us prepare a budget for 2008!

2007-11-11 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
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Vincent Untz wrote:

  + local groups: if you want to organize events, invite someone to do a
talk at an event, get some material (t-shirts, flyers, posters,
etc.), it's always better to tell us about it while we're preparing
the budget. If you're going to organize many events, send one
request, but tell us where the money would be going. Eg, $500 to
print t-shirts for the whole year, $50 for posters for event A and
$60 for flyers for event B, and also $700 to get Quim to this
fantastic event! You get the idea.

This is the important bit for us in India. After the GNOME Project Day
at foss.in (where we will be talking a bit about the Academy/Education
bits) we expect to see requests for GNOME talks (and not merely
evangelist kind talks) shoot up. A reasonably low cost way to ensure
brand recall is swag and in this particular case being stickers, flyers
and buttons. So, is this call for the budget allocations factoring in
the GNOME developer trip sponsorship plus swag or just the latter ?

:sankarshan


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Re: Who would be a good member? [Was: About the coming election]

2007-11-07 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
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Jeff Waugh wrote:

 Above all else, I hope you vote for people you know and trust to represent
 what you value about GNOME. To put it in a clunky but simple way, if GNOME
 is People, vote for the people who are GNOME.

That was what I guess I was getting at. Unless the circle of trust is
cast wider each year, the set of people one knows and trusts would
perhaps be static. In fact, I'd rather say (a personal opinion and not
that of the Membership Committee) that a few of aspiring GNOME
Foundation candidates (this year and coming year) might like to also get
involved with the Membership Committee - that's a great place to get to
know people and become aware what they are doing and who all are doing
the cool things along side them

There has to be a strong movement towards telling GNOME contributors
that there's no magical halo that entitles them to a place on the
Foundation other than the willingness to put in hours to make it a
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Re: noooxml petition

2007-08-31 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
Anne Østergaard wrote:

   I read about the proces here:
 
 http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/
 
 Where is the transparency and the possibility for everyone to influence
 the decision in a fair ISO process?

Some more thoughts on this from Venkatesh Hariharan at : 
http://osindia.blogspot.com/2007/08/memo-to-microsoft-stop-wasting-our-time.html
 
especially the part I checked with the IT ministry in Pakistan and 
brought to their attention that Pakistan is now a P member of ISO 
which entitles it to vote on OOXML. This was news to them as they were 
not consulted on the OOXML issue.


:Sankarshan

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[Fwd: [GNOME-India] Draft of a proposal for GNOME Project Day at foss.in 2007]

2007-08-24 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
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[Cross posted to both foundation and gnome hackers lists]

Hi,

Quoted below in entire form is a mail from the gnome-in list about a
proposed GNOME Project Day at foss.in. The details about the event of
course should be available from foss.in.

This mail is (for lack of other alternative) to ask if GNOME
contributors from outside of India would be interested in being part of
GNOME Project Day. And of course an effort to have more folks looking
into the proposal.

If you feel that this is not the list to discuss this (I sort of have a
feeling that way too), please do address your responses to the
gnome-in-list.

Regards
Sankarshan

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Subject: [GNOME-India] Draft of a proposal for GNOME Project Day at
foss.in 2007
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:58:50 +0530
From: Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Advocacy, chit-chat and event planning in India
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Advocacy, chit-chat and event planning in India
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

ToDo

+ Date of the proposed day
+ Proposer for the Project Day proposal
+ Gather speakers

GNOME PROJECT DAY at foss.in

Pre-requisites to participate:

Interest in getting involved and contributing to GNOME. The project day
is proposed to achieve the following:

o getting together the largest possible number of GNOME contributors
from India
o demonstration of what they are working on etc
o BoF session for GNOME Women in India

Thus, familiarity with the GNOME roadmap, i18n and l10n, documentation,
bug triaging would be good to have.

Audience:  application developers, extension developers, open-source
evangelists  enthusiasts, localizers

Theme of the day: FIXME

+ Opening remarks by a GNOME contributor to set the tone for the day
- small pitch about GNOME Marketing in India
+ GSoC time (GSoC participants get to talk about their work)
+ Contribute to GNOME
- l10n (translation/review sprint ?)
- i18n
- documentation
- bug triaging
- applications that need love
+ GNOME and a11y
+ GNOME Women BoF
+ GNOME Online Desktop (?)




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Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008

2007-03-22 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
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Dave Neary wrote:

 But one thing is for sure - the travel costs for attendees is something
 which will definitely be taken into account, and in general that will
 exclude anything outside North America and Europe.

Or, in short unless a conference outside NA or EU reimburses travel
expenses for attendees/speakers a Regional GNOME Conference or a GUADAC
with developer participation from NA or EU is effectively ruled out.
Hmm...kind of puts regional organisers between rock(s) and hard place(s)
since it will raise the sponsorship and attendance fees in order to
ensure crowd attendance and also meet the objective of herding the cats
etc etc

:Sankarshan



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Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008

2007-03-21 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
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Anne Østergaard wrote:
 Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
 
 GUADEC is the yearly GNOME Users and Developers European Conference.

Does that automatically exclude those outside EU from sending proposals ?

:Sankarshan

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Questions for the candidates - let's start the discussion(s)

2006-11-21 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
Hi,

The list of candidates for the elections are available here:
http://foundation.gnome.org/elections/2006/candidates.html

With this mail, one hopes to start off the series of discussions amongst
the candidates in the fray for the Board. The underlying vein in the
series of questions is that they are *not* technology (ie
hacker/developer) centric. The Board does not directly get involved in
the technicalities, the bunch of questions are more board-related. In
the spirit of the 2003 mail from Telsa Gwynne the questions are mostly
positive in nature.

The first question is from Baris (via a discussion/chat on IRC)

*** BEGIN QUESTIONS ***

[1] What are your plans to answer the question put forward at the last
GUADEC about Why should one become a member of the GNOME Foundation ?
Would you be in a position to elaborate on your plans/projects to make
membership more interesting for the GNOME Community ?

[2] What do you think is the most important item on the Board's agenda
right now ? What will you do more or better than the previous boards ?

[3] How do you manage your time and that of others ? Are you good at
working with others including those who might have a differing opinion
than yours and try to reach consensus and agree on actions ?

[4] How are you going to manage your current contributions to GNOME once
you become a Board Member ?

[5] What do you think is the most important market for GNOME over the
coming year and what do you feel you can do to help GNOME achieve better
presence ?

[6] What are your plans to encourage and mentor contributions to GNOME
from Latin America, Africa and Asia ? How would you increase community
participation ?

[7] What areas do you see lacking currently in a complete Free Software
Desktop ? What would your role be (should you be elected) in addressing
the issues ?

[8] What are your planned activities to promote use of GNOME in small
and medium business environments which potentially deliver many users to
GNOME ?

[9] What sources of funds do you as a Board Member (should you be
elected) try to establish ? What areas do you think require most fund-love ?

[10] Please rank your interests:

* GNOME evangelizing to government, enterprise, small business and
individual
* GNOME marketing and merchandising of branded items (nationally and
internationally)
* GNOME legal issues like Copyright and Patents
* GNOME finances and fund raising
* Alliance with other organisations

[11] How much familiar are you with the day-to-day happenings of GNOME ?
How much do you follow and participate in the main GNOME mailing lists ?

[12] Can you elaborate about your plans to provide the Board with a
focus that steers development choices and works with allied
organisations in order to define and adapt (and or adopt) standards ?

*** END QUESTIONS ***

Let the discussions begin ...

Regards
Sankarshan

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