Re: SFC, GNOME Foundation (WAS Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011)
Hi all, Thanks for the feedback and I apologize for not responding sooner. We are currently looking into possible solutions - personally, I agree with Dave and Stormy's comments that GNOME should offer these services. We are looking into what the legal liability protection requirements are. Bradley has been great in sharing information of the services the SFC provides and how much work goes into them. In evaluating handling money for projects within GNOME, one concern is the number of projects that might be interested in doing this as the accounting work is time intensive. Stormy said above: The money issue is probably a tracking issue more than anything else. We could mange that by limiting the number of projects. We could put criteria around what it means to be a project to ensure that it's a long lasting and well managed entity before we agreed to handle its finances. I know the SFC has a process for that. That part is a bit tricky as we want to be fair to all projects and, if we go in this direction, we need to make sure we have criteria in place to manage that. Paul On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 6:57 PM, vas...@softwarefreedom.org wrote: Bradley Kuhn can probably speak to this better than I can, but I want to note that to do the Conservancy right is a lot of work, depending on how active your member projects are. If GNOME decides to go down this path, I highly recommend you take Bradley out to dinner (he can be bribed with burritos) and get a feel for the scope of this endeavor. For another look at how this can be approached, you might also talk to Software in the Public Interest. I don't think either SFC or SPI will be stingy with information. Best Regards, James ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Feb 18, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Dave Neary wrote: Lefty wrote: On Feb 17, 2011, at 6:50 AM, Andrew Savory wrote: By chance is the desktop environment for the Motorola Atrix laptop accessory based on LiMo? The desktop seems to have a strong resemblance to a GNOME desktop. It may be GNOME, but it's not LiMo that I'm aware of. Whatever it's based on, it's not LiMo. Motorola hasn't been active in the LiMo Foundation in probably two years now. Looks like Android to me, if it's the same Atrix Google shows me. Which is in line with Motorola's public strategy. But what I found doesn't look like a laptop. Yeah, some adapted version of Android is what I would have expected. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: SFC, GNOME Foundation (WAS Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011)
Bradley Kuhn can probably speak to this better than I can, but I want to note that to do the Conservancy right is a lot of work, depending on how active your member projects are. If GNOME decides to go down this path, I highly recommend you take Bradley out to dinner (he can be bribed with burritos) and get a feel for the scope of this endeavor. For another look at how this can be approached, you might also talk to Software in the Public Interest. I don't think either SFC or SPI will be stingy with information. Best Regards, James ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
GNOME mobile and Limo Foundation - was (Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011)
On 02/17/2011 10:50 PM, Andrew Savory wrote: That's a good summary. I worked hard to help prepare the business case to justify continuing involvement, but I was not involved in the final decision making process. I'm personally sorry that our involvement with GNOME was so brief and that we did not have a chance to really fully engage with GNOME. On the plus side, we did manage to secure $10k from LiMo to GNOME for the 6 months we were advisory board members, so it's not all bad! I hope those funds can help GNOME go from strength to strength. Dear Andrew, Did the Limo foundation have any specific expectation? I know that a few of us are definitely into mobile and would like to see GNOME more successful on this front. You're also well aware that most of us are volunteers or paid developers to work on specific tasks. Sometimes clarifying what one expects can wake up hopes and motivations among us (and our employers). Maybe we could work toward some specific goals in the coming 12 months, which could make the Limo foundation reconsider its involvement with the GNOME project. I'm saying that because we are currently trying to get feedback on how to give more satisfaction to organizations using GNOME technologies and getting responses is not always simple. This is of course one of the ideas to explore, we could also try to organize hackfests focused on mobile topics/development. Hackfests work very well with GNOME developers and yeld both interest, relevant crowd and great results. As a side note we're organization a conference in Bangalore[1] (together with a hackfest) for the GNOME 3.0 release. Bangalore is one of the biggest software development of the world and maybe we could try to run a mobile session as well. I believe that with clear objectives we can get both the developers and the local community more involved in the mobile side of GNOME and kick start some of the exciting things the Limo foundation was expecting. I am definitely up to lead the effort (assisted by some of the GNOME mobile gurus) if someone from your side is interested. Thanks a lot. Fred [1] http://www.gnome.asia - March 28 - April 3 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
SFC, GNOME Foundation (WAS Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011)
Thanks, Brian, for the additional detail. On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Brian Cameron brian.came...@oracle.comwrote: * Orca / Software Freedom Conservancy o Discussions underway. The SFC is working to determine if it is possible for GNOME projects to join the SFC. o ACTION: Bastien will email Joanie about options about whether it makes sense for orca to consider being a FreeDesktop project. What would be the advantage for GNOME projects to join the SFC? I thought the GNOME Foundation provided all the services that SFC does. (I'm not opposed to the idea, just would like to understand why the projects want to.) I think their website explains the benefits: http://sfconservancy.org/overview/ http://sfconservancy.org/members/services/ http://sfconservancy.org/members/apply/ The main benefits seem to be that they will help your project take care of finances/fundraising, and they also provide some protection against liabilities. The above website provides more details. So far, we have just had some discussions with the folks at Conservancy about whether it makes sense for GNOME projects to be a part of Conservancy. That said, it is not yet clear if the Conservancy will accept GNOME projects. We are waiting to find out from them if it is even an option. I believe that the orca project is interested in using Conservancy to accept donations targeting the orca project. There has been some discussion amongst the board about whether it might make sense to allow people to make GNOME a11y donations via Friends of GNOME or otherwise handle this within The GNOME community. However, some people (e.g. the marketing team) has concerns that if we open the door to allowing specific GNOME subgroups or projects to receive earmarked funds that this would or could spiral out of control, or make FoG too complicated. I think we should be willing to do for GNOME projects what the SFC does for their projects. The money issue is probably a tracking issue more than anything else. We could mange that by limiting the number of projects. We could put criteria around what it means to be a project to ensure that it's a long lasting and well managed entity before we agreed to handle its finances. I know the SFC has a process for that. We already manage funds for several projects, including a11y. We could add a few things to make the process easier. Ideas (not necessarily good ones at this point) include creating a private wiki page for each project with accounting of their money so everyone is on the same page, creating a more public version of gnucash file, finding a private place we can check the gnucash file in so it doesn't have to be forwarded around, etc. But, even if we supported receiving a11y funds via some GNOME Foundation mechanism, I think Joanie is still interested in having orca join the Conservancy if possible since she has indicated that she is very interested in the liability protection that they offer. There has been some discussion about whether The GNOME Foundation could provide similar protections, but I believe that their liability protection is possible because of the way their organization is structured. For example, they require that all project funds be managed centrally by them. I am not sure it would be practical or possible for The GNOME Foundation to require this of all GNOME modules. Would we have to do it for all GNOME modules or just the projects that had asked us to hold their money for them? Stormy ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: SFC, GNOME Foundation (WAS Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011)
Le vendredi 18 février 2011, à 10:24 -0700, Stormy Peters a écrit : I think we should be willing to do for GNOME projects what the SFC does for their projects. Big +1. That's one of the goals of the Foundation, imho; and as Stormy points out, we already do that for some projects. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 08:50 -0600, Andrew Savory wrote: Hi, On 16 Feb 2011, at 22:09, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: LiMo uses GNOME technology. They continue to support the foundation's activities on a case-by-case basis, but their executive director did not consider that the advisory board position was giving the foundation value for money. We have been informing their advisory board representatives of the great stuff we have been doing around hackfests, training programmes, GNOME 3 plans, support for GTK+ on mobile, etc. but Mr. Gillis was not convinced that the foundation was sufficiently focussed on mobile to make the $20K a year worth paying. Obviously, I disagree with him. I know it's a hard time for companies, but, IMHO, from the marketing side it gives the impression that LiMo is an insignificant player in the mobile arena if they don't have the money that other organizations with GNOME products/services have. LiMo needs visibility about their technology approach, and a seat in the Foundation Board really helps. Apart from that, if LiMo wants better GNOME mobile technologies, they need to lead this action and support developers for adding the features they miss and working upstream is the more intelligent action, of course, IMHO. Working this way LiMo could benefit of contributions from the community. Anyway, thanks LiMo for being part of the Advisory Board for some months, and I hope they will show their support to GNOME in any other way. Cheers, -- Juanjo Marin ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Feb 17, 2011, at 6:50 AM, Andrew Savory wrote: By chance is the desktop environment for the Motorola Atrix laptop accessory based on LiMo? The desktop seems to have a strong resemblance to a GNOME desktop. It may be GNOME, but it's not LiMo that I'm aware of. Whatever it's based on, it's not LiMo. Motorola hasn't been active in the LiMo Foundation in probably two years now. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: SFC, GNOME Foundation (WAS Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011)
Hi, Vincent Untz wrote: Le vendredi 18 février 2011, à 10:24 -0700, Stormy Peters a écrit : I think we should be willing to do for GNOME projects what the SFC does for their projects. Big +1. That's one of the goals of the Foundation, imho; and as Stormy points out, we already do that for some projects. ...including some projects which are not GNOME projects, like GIMP the Libre Graphics Meeting. I concur with the very wise Stormy Vincent. The foundation should be providing services like this to our projects. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
Hi, Lefty wrote: On Feb 17, 2011, at 6:50 AM, Andrew Savory wrote: By chance is the desktop environment for the Motorola Atrix laptop accessory based on LiMo? The desktop seems to have a strong resemblance to a GNOME desktop. It may be GNOME, but it's not LiMo that I'm aware of. Whatever it's based on, it's not LiMo. Motorola hasn't been active in the LiMo Foundation in probably two years now. Looks like Android to me, if it's the same Atrix Google shows me. Which is in line with Motorola's public strategy. But what I found doesn't look like a laptop. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Brian Cameron brian.came...@oracle.comwrote: * Review past action items. * Did each person with action items send their status reports to the board list before the meeting? Has this been happening? Some of the action items have been there for a long time. Some have been on there since last July. I'd suggest it's time to go through them. There's probably a number of possible reasons for no action: (1) Owner does not have time. (2) Owner does not think it is important. (3) The item is no longer relevant. But I think it would help everyone to have them reflect the actual situation. Perhaps we could ask that each board member update each of their action items each board meeting with the date, so it is easy to tell at a glance whether or not it's been updated. (And perhaps would remind each owner what they are still signed up for.) * Orca / Software Freedom Conservancy o Discussions underway. The SFC is working to determine if it is possible for GNOME projects to join the SFC. o ACTION: Bastien will email Joanie about options about whether it makes sense for orca to consider being a FreeDesktop project. What would be the advantage for GNOME projects to join the SFC? I thought the GNOME Foundation provided all the services that SFC does. (I'm not opposed to the idea, just would like to understand why the projects want to.) Great work with all the hackfests, GNOME Asia and release parties!!! Stormy ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
Hi, On 16 Feb 2011, at 22:09, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: LiMo uses GNOME technology. They continue to support the foundation's activities on a case-by-case basis, but their executive director did not consider that the advisory board position was giving the foundation value for money. We have been informing their advisory board representatives of the great stuff we have been doing around hackfests, training programmes, GNOME 3 plans, support for GTK+ on mobile, etc. but Mr. Gillis was not convinced that the foundation was sufficiently focussed on mobile to make the $20K a year worth paying. Obviously, I disagree with him. That's a good summary. I worked hard to help prepare the business case to justify continuing involvement, but I was not involved in the final decision making process. I'm personally sorry that our involvement with GNOME was so brief and that we did not have a chance to really fully engage with GNOME. On the plus side, we did manage to secure $10k from LiMo to GNOME for the 6 months we were advisory board members, so it's not all bad! I hope those funds can help GNOME go from strength to strength. By chance is the desktop environment for the Motorola Atrix laptop accessory based on LiMo? The desktop seems to have a strong resemblance to a GNOME desktop. It may be GNOME, but it's not LiMo that I'm aware of. Thanks Andrew. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Brian Cameron brian.came...@oracle.com wrote: Attending * Andreas Nilsson * Bastien Nocera * Brian Cameron * Emily Chen * Germán Póo-Caamaño * Og Maciel * Paul Cutler * Rosanna Yuen Regrets * Og Maciel Was I there or not? :) -- Og B. Maciel GNOME Foundation Board of Directors omac...@foresightlinux.org ogmac...@gnome.org GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
Og: On 02/16/11 02:16 PM, Og Maciel wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Brian Cameronbrian.came...@oracle.com wrote: Attending * Andreas Nilsson * Bastien Nocera * Brian Cameron * Emily Chen * Germán Póo-Caamaño * Og Maciel * Paul Cutler * Rosanna Yuen Regrets * Og Maciel Was I there or not? :) Can you fix the Wiki if it is in error? Thanks, Brian ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Brian Cameron brian.came...@oracle.comwrote: * Review past action items. * Did each person with action items send their status reports to the board list before the meeting? Has this been happening? Some of the action items have been there for a long time. Some have been on there since last July. I'd suggest it's time to go through them. There's probably a number of possible reasons for no action: (1) Owner does not have time. (2) Owner does not think it is important. (3) The item is no longer relevant. But I think it would help everyone to have them reflect the actual situation. Perhaps we could ask that each board member update each of their action items each board meeting with the date, so it is easy to tell at a glance whether or not it's been updated. (And perhaps would remind each owner what they are still signed up for.) * Orca / Software Freedom Conservancy o Discussions underway. The SFC is working to determine if it is possible for GNOME projects to join the SFC. o ACTION: Bastien will email Joanie about options about whether it makes sense for orca to consider being a FreeDesktop project. What would be the advantage for GNOME projects to join the SFC? I thought the GNOME Foundation provided all the services that SFC does. (I'm not opposed to the idea, just would like to understand why the projects want to.) Great work with all the hackfests, GNOME Asia and release parties!!! Stormy ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
Og, With all due respect, you should know whether you were there or not since it looks like there was a lot of discussion. Can you please take a look at the minutes and decide whether or not you participated? Thanks, Stormy On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Og Maciel ogmac...@gnome.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Brian Cameron brian.came...@oracle.com wrote: Can you fix the Wiki if it is in error? Not a matter of if as I could not be present and absent at the same time. I honestly don't remember if I was present or not, so I'll edit it to say I was. -- Og B. Maciel GNOME Foundation Board of Directors omac...@foresightlinux.org ogmac...@gnome.org GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Stormy Peters stormy.pet...@gmail.com wrote: With all due respect, you should know whether you were there or not since it looks like there was a lot of discussion. Not sure why you sent me something in private and then one here but ok... Can you please take a look at the minutes and decide whether or not you participated? With all due respect too, I would not have said what I did if I hadn't checked the minutes. In other words, it is not lack of profissionalism from my end, but simply being confused with the many different meeting I've had in the last month, coupled with a ton of work, email, etc. Also, a matter of being honest and not understanding what the big deal is. There are times that, due to work, I have to leave a meeting before it is 100% finished. Should we come up with a new category for this too? Half-present? Please, just move on... -- Og B. Maciel GNOME Foundation Board of Directors omac...@foresightlinux.org ogmac...@gnome.org GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Stormy Peters stormy.pet...@gmail.com wrote: You represent GNOME. You are a director on the Board of Directors. You represent me and everyone of the GNOME Foundation members. If my congressman/woman could not remember if they participated in important discussions, I'd be equally concerned. Understood. I hope you'll accept my word that I am fully committed to the work I do for the GNOME Foundation and that the fact I was confused about being present at said meeting was by no means lack of my interest or commitment. I have been to one too many meetings and was truly confused. I sure hope this lapse won't tarnish all the hard work I have done so far. As your representative I value your concern and thank you so much for making sure I stay true to my commitment to the Foundation and community. -- Og B. Maciel GNOME Foundation Board of Directors omac...@foresightlinux.org ogmac...@gnome.org GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Og Maciel ogmac...@gnome.org wrote: Understood. I hope you'll accept my word that I am fully committed to the work I do for the GNOME Foundation and that the fact I was confused about being present at said meeting was by no means lack of my interest or commitment. I have been to one too many meetings and was truly confused. I sure hope this lapse won't tarnish all the hard work I have done so far. I do appreciate all the work you've done, especially the Friends of GNOME work. I apologize if I over reacted but the mail saying you don't remember so you were going to say you were there, seemed flippant to me. If I didn't remember if I was there or not, I'd mark myself absent. The point isn't to show how much work you've done but to represent GNOME. And I'd be worried I was endorsing conversations I hadn't been a part of it. And in part, I was concerned that you were making it look like it wasn't important to everyone. I do appreciate all the work the directors do. It's an important role and I respect all of you for putting the time and effort into making the GNOME Foundation and GNOME successful. I know it's a lot of work that isn't always recognized. Thank you for helping make GNOME accomplish its mission. Stormy ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
Stormy: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Brian Cameron brian.came...@oracle.com mailto:brian.came...@oracle.com wrote: * Review past action items. * Did each person with action items send their status reports to the board list before the meeting? Has this been happening? Some of the action items have been there for a long time. Some have been on there since last July. We did do a review of action items during the December 23rd and January 6th meetings. We did close a lot of old and stale actions, as you can see: http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20101223 http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20110106 That said, there are probably some that we missed and should address. I already added it to our agenda for the next meeting to do this again. * Orca / Software Freedom Conservancy o Discussions underway. The SFC is working to determine if it is possible for GNOME projects to join the SFC. o ACTION: Bastien will email Joanie about options about whether it makes sense for orca to consider being a FreeDesktop project. What would be the advantage for GNOME projects to join the SFC? I thought the GNOME Foundation provided all the services that SFC does. (I'm not opposed to the idea, just would like to understand why the projects want to.) I think their website explains the benefits: http://sfconservancy.org/overview/ http://sfconservancy.org/members/services/ http://sfconservancy.org/members/apply/ The main benefits seem to be that they will help your project take care of finances/fundraising, and they also provide some protection against liabilities. The above website provides more details. So far, we have just had some discussions with the folks at Conservancy about whether it makes sense for GNOME projects to be a part of Conservancy. That said, it is not yet clear if the Conservancy will accept GNOME projects. We are waiting to find out from them if it is even an option. I believe that the orca project is interested in using Conservancy to accept donations targeting the orca project. There has been some discussion amongst the board about whether it might make sense to allow people to make GNOME a11y donations via Friends of GNOME or otherwise handle this within The GNOME community. However, some people (e.g. the marketing team) has concerns that if we open the door to allowing specific GNOME subgroups or projects to receive earmarked funds that this would or could spiral out of control, or make FoG too complicated. But, even if we supported receiving a11y funds via some GNOME Foundation mechanism, I think Joanie is still interested in having orca join the Conservancy if possible since she has indicated that she is very interested in the liability protection that they offer. There has been some discussion about whether The GNOME Foundation could provide similar protections, but I believe that their liability protection is possible because of the way their organization is structured. For example, they require that all project funds be managed centrally by them. I am not sure it would be practical or possible for The GNOME Foundation to require this of all GNOME modules. Brian ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
Og: Looking on the board mailing list archives, you did send regrets to the list on February 1st. So I think you did not attend. Brian On 02/16/11 03:07 PM, Og Maciel wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Stormy Petersstormy.pet...@gmail.com wrote: You represent GNOME. You are a director on the Board of Directors. You represent me and everyone of the GNOME Foundation members. If my congressman/woman could not remember if they participated in important discussions, I'd be equally concerned. Understood. I hope you'll accept my word that I am fully committed to the work I do for the GNOME Foundation and that the fact I was confused about being present at said meeting was by no means lack of my interest or commitment. I have been to one too many meetings and was truly confused. I sure hope this lapse won't tarnish all the hard work I have done so far. As your representative I value your concern and thank you so much for making sure I stay true to my commitment to the Foundation and community. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Brian Cameron brian.came...@oracle.com wrote: Looking on the board mailing list archives, you did send regrets to the list on February 1st. So I think you did not attend. Thanks Brian. Fixed wiki appropriately. -- Og B. Maciel GNOME Foundation Board of Directors omac...@foresightlinux.org ogmac...@gnome.org GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Gregory Leblanc headmaster.albus.dumbled...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Brian Cameron brian.came...@oracle.com wrote: * LiMo is leaving the GNOME Advisory Board. Any details on this? Are they leaving for financial reasons, or philosophical ones? There's still a big banner on their website regarding the partnership with Gnome. Did they not just join the advisory board back in July? Before I ramble on and jump to erroneous conclusions, can anyone clarify this a bit please? Thanks, Greg LiMo just made some announcement on LiMo4.. is GNOME no longer a possible strategy for them ? Like Gregory I'd be interested in hearing why they pulled out and what effect it might have on our embedded device strategy? sri ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
Hi, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Gregory Leblanc Any details on this? Are they leaving for financial reasons, or philosophical ones? There's still a big banner on their website regarding the partnership with Gnome. Did they not just join the advisory board back in July? LiMo just made some announcement on LiMo4.. is GNOME no longer a possible strategy for them ? Like Gregory I'd be interested in hearing why they pulled out and what effect it might have on our embedded device strategy? As the GNOME person quoted, I have a little more info (but the board is better placed than me). LiMo uses GNOME technology. They continue to support the foundation's activities on a case-by-case basis, but their executive director did not consider that the advisory board position was giving the foundation value for money. We have been informing their advisory board representatives of the great stuff we have been doing around hackfests, training programmes, GNOME 3 plans, support for GTK+ on mobile, etc. but Mr. Gillis was not convinced that the foundation was sufficiently focussed on mobile to make the $20K a year worth paying. Obviously, I disagree with him. In any case, the quote I gave to the press release for LiMo 4 still holds true - we love to see people using our code, and I'd be happy to see LiMo members working more closely with the GNOME foundation in the future. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Gregory Leblanc Any details on this? Are they leaving for financial reasons, or philosophical ones? There's still a big banner on their website regarding the partnership with Gnome. Did they not just join the advisory board back in July? LiMo just made some announcement on LiMo4.. is GNOME no longer a possible strategy for them ? Like Gregory I'd be interested in hearing why they pulled out and what effect it might have on our embedded device strategy? As the GNOME person quoted, I have a little more info (but the board is better placed than me). I think the summary below was quite succinct. Thank you. LiMo uses GNOME technology. They continue to support the foundation's activities on a case-by-case basis, but their executive director did not consider that the advisory board position was giving the foundation value for money. We have been informing their advisory board representatives of the great stuff we have been doing around hackfests, training programmes, GNOME 3 plans, support for GTK+ on mobile, etc. but Mr. Gillis was not convinced that the foundation was sufficiently focussed on mobile to make the $20K a year worth paying. Obviously, I disagree with him. By chance is the desktop environment for the Motorola Atrix laptop accessory based on LiMo? The desktop seems to have a strong resemblance to a GNOME desktop. I would love to see if we could put some effort into putting an embedded DE for the Atrix secondary DE environment. If phones are powerful enough to host a secondary desktop environment then we should try to position ourselves in that space. sri ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
