Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?y
On 12/16/2011 02:10 PM, Michael Schnell wrote: I might be inclined to follow in case that there is a script that creates an combined CHM file for fpc language, rtl, lazarus IDE, LCL, (and ...) from the svn sources. Regarding the (and...). ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?y
On 12/16/2011 02:10 PM, Michael Schnell wrote: I might be inclined to follow in case that there is a script that creates an combined CHM file for fpc language, rtl, lazarus IDE, LCL, (and ...) from the svn sources. Regarding the (and...), The user should ba able to include things things like the synapse docu (e.g.: http://synapse.ararat.cz/doc/help/httpsend.html ) This of course suggests not to force creating some huge merged file (be it the complete CHM or just an index), but use a viewer with real-time merging capacities (such as the Delphi help viewer or fpDOC). -Michael ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?y
On 12/17/2011 10:58 AM, Marco van de Voort wrote: Not currently. But the problems wrt that are in the toplevel systems (latex and fpdoc), not CHM. In fact it seems to be the CHM viewer that (AFAIK) (other than the INF viewer) does not work on multiple files at the same time. I myself don't see much benefit in a unified copy. It violates the FPC-lazarus division. I do sometimes have doubts wrt the fcl-rtl division. Of course I agree. multiple files are more handy, but then the viewer needed to be able to do multi-file searching. And searching should work with multiple files too. You mean CHM-files. In fact the Delphi help viewer seems to do this. There are also possibilities to merge the indexes and TOCs of multiple CHM files afaik. Interesting. So _this_ should be done by a script rather than merging the files. So there is no immediate need to integrate the systems, but with the new fpdoc project support it might be possible. But I'm not planning on supporting such things and building them for releases. Thanks for your past and future work. -Michael ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Stack alignment on i386
On Monday 19 December 2011 08:04:30 zeljko wrote: How ? The binding now aligns the stack before calling the Qt libraries ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?y
On 16 December 2011 14:25, Michael Schnell wrote: On 12/16/2011 12:42 PM, Marco van de Voort wrote: It's fine, but like most built-in engines it is not google. Can it do and and or and search for multi word strings ? (In fact I don't know wheter DocView can do these...) Yes, DocView supports many search term formats... my phrase - Will seach for that exact phrase my phrase - will search for any of those two words. my +phare - will search for a topic that contains both works (not necessarly next to each other) my -phrase - will searchfor a topic that contains 'my', but not 'phrase' DocView also has a rating system - to indicate how exact / close the patch was. DocView also searches for variations of words if an exact phrase was not specified. Example: Here is the DocView search result for 'file +handling' using the RTL.INF file. http://opensoft.homeip.net:8080/~graemeg/docview_search_result.png Typing the two works 'file handling' (without any quotes) in the Index tab search field, would also have found the file handling routines help topic. -- Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://fpgui.sourceforge.net ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?y
On 16 December 2011 14:51, Marco van de Voort wrote: They are roughly from the same period, and nearly equivalent in any way. Not even close, but that is a debate best left for another time. And because the format isn't dead. Didn't Microsoft drop CHM format too? ;-) Anyway, INF is far from dead - in fact it is making a comeback with fpGUI. :) Also eComStation still exists, OS/2 installs still exist, and fpGUI based projects all use INF too. Dead is only if _nobody_ uses it any more - INF is far from that. I'm already working on a Object Pascal implemented INF compiler (though a open-source C++ version already exists), and extensions to the INF format. [No need for a response from you, I just wanted to correct your false statement.] -- Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://fpgui.sourceforge.net ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?y
On 16 December 2011 15:10, Michael Schnell wrote: I might be inclined to follow in case that there is a script that creates an combined CHM file for fpc language, rtl, lazarus IDE, LCL, (and ...) from the svn sources. Which DocView can already do today with the INF files. ;-) $ docview rtl+fcl+lcl+ref [...but enough of the p**sing contest.] -- Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://fpgui.sourceforge.net ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?y
On 12/19/2011 10:08 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: http://opensoft.homeip.net:8080/~graemeg/docview_search_result.png Sorry I cant see that due the the companies firewall blocking homeip. :-( You'd rather attach the picture to the message. :-) -Michael ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?y
On 12/19/2011 10:20 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Which DocView can already do today with the INF files. ;-) Which in fact is the point of this (off-topic) discussion right now. :-) -Michael ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?y
On 12/19/2011 10:08 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Yes, DocView supports many search term formats... my phrase - Will seach for that exact phrase my phrase - will search for any of those two words. my +phare - will search for a topic that contains both works (not necessarly next to each other) my -phrase - will searchfor a topic that contains 'my', but not 'phrase' Great ! Thanks for you help on help. (I hope that this explanation is right on the fingertips of anybody who installed DocView in Lazarus. Trying to check this I tied to compile the DocView project but I git: /usr/bin/ld: warning: /home/mschnell/Downloads/svn/fpGUI/docview/src/units/i386-linux/link.res contains output sections; did you forget -T? /usr/bin/ld: /home/mschnell/Downloads/svn/fpGUI/lib/i386-linux/fpg_x11.o: undefined reference to symbol 'FcFontSetDestroy' /usr/bin/ld: note: 'FcFontSetDestroy' is defined in DSO /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 so try adding it to the linker command line /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1: could not read symbols: Invalid operation docview.lpr(42,1) Error: Error while linking docview.lpr(42,1) Fatal: There were 1 errors compiling module, stopping obviously silly me forgot something essential (again) ) I sincerely hope that finally DocView will get fully integrated in the Lazarus IDE on the default distribution. DocView also has a rating system - to indicate how exact / close the patch was. DocView also searches for variations of words if an exact phrase was not specified. Example: Here is the DocView search result for 'file +handling' using the RTL.INF file. http://opensoft.homeip.net:8080/~graemeg/docview_search_result.png Typing the two works 'file handling' (without any quotes) in the Index tab search field, would also have found the file handling routines help topic. This does sound great. -Michael ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
On 15 December 2011 17:48, Marco van de Voort wrote: Afaik docview does not work within the IDE at all, only via the external tools option? There is no reason it can't work within the Lazarus IDE. I simply find it easier using the External Tools option of Lazarus IDE, MSEide, Delphi IDE, etc. Using the External Tools options means no need for recompiling the IDE just to get context sensitive help, plus it will work with any IDE or programmer editor. -- Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://fpgui.sourceforge.net ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
On 12/19/2011 10:41 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 15 December 2011 17:48, Marco van de Voort wrote: Afaik docview does not work within the IDE at all, only via the external tools option? There is no reason it can't work within the Lazarus IDE. I did not understand what Marco meant by the lazarus internal help registration. Docview does do context sensitive help in the Editor, but maybe there is even more that is supported for integrated rather than external tools. no need for recompiling the IDE In fact I don't see a problem with this. You need to recompile the Lazarus IDE when adding/updating GUI components, so this is nicely supported. -Michael ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
On 16 December 2011 13:33, Marco van de Voort wrote: Graeme started working on it when CHM was already mostly operational. mostly operational doesn't entrust a lot of confidence. Most of his original arguments were based on disk sizes and little implementation gotchas, not on functionality. I still don't see the point of inf. For the record, disk size (even though the size difference is huge) was largely a bonus feature. The speed of INF was a major contributor (considering CHM is just an archive of very verbose HTML files). Also the fact that any non-Microsoft CHM viewer absolutely sucks, and that all but one [lhelp] of those are written in C/C++ [thus I can't contribute] was another point to consider. LHelp's output also looks terrible and is much slower than most CHM viewers. I work 99% of the time under Linux, and the Linux CHM viewers all suck. Slow, limited features, prone to crash etc. Creating DocView gave me full control: the programming language I know and love, something I can maintain, advanced searching [which is super fast], runtime concatenation of INF files [extremely handy], auto Index generation [configurable in the Option dialog], bookmark support, and very importantly, inline help annotation support [something I use very often]. -- Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://fpgui.sourceforge.net ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?y
In our previous episode, Graeme Geldenhuys said: And because the format isn't dead. Didn't Microsoft drop CHM format too? ;-) Only for own use. Afaik it is still recommended for 3rd party usage in Windows 8. Anyway, INF is far from dead - in fact it is making a comeback with fpGUI. :) Also eComStation still exists, OS/2 installs still exist, and fpGUI based projects all use INF too Yes, and I still have access to a PDP too, so that is a real lively community too :-) Dead is only if _nobody_ uses it any more - INF is far from that. I'm already working on a Object Pascal implemented INF compiler (though a open-source C++ version already exists), and extensions to the INF format. [No need for a response from you, I just wanted to correct your false statement.] You wanted to express your own view on dead, which I don't share. ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
In our previous episode, Graeme Geldenhuys said: Graeme started working on it when CHM was already mostly operational. mostly operational doesn't entrust a lot of confidence. Compared to somebody saying he is resurrecting some old OS/2 technology, it is a miracle of confidence. ?Most of his original arguments were based on disk sizes and little implementation gotchas, not on functionality. I still don't see the point of inf. For the record, disk size (even though the size difference is huge) was largely a bonus feature. No, at the time, you kept raving about it. Only when you started implementing more features, your tune changed. The speed of INF was a major contributor (considering CHM is just an archive of very verbose HTML files). And INF is just an archive or whatever markup it uses. Also the fact that any non-Microsoft CHM viewer absolutely sucks, and that all but one [lhelp] of those are written in C/C++ [thus I can't contribute] was another point to consider. LHelp's output also looks terrible and is much slower than most CHM viewers. Yes, but that was because other people decided to roll their own. And I tried docview on windows and IMHO it was unusable. gave me full control: the programming language I know and love, something I can maintain, advanced searching [which is super fast], All that was available for CHM too, PLUS the generation facilities. ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
On 19 December 2011 12:03, Michael Schnell wrote: There is no reason it can't work within the Lazarus IDE. I did not understand what Marco meant by the lazarus internal help registration. Docview does do context sensitive help in the Editor, but He meant for help inside the IDE dialogs. For example: pressing F1 (or clicking the Help button) inside the Environment Options dialog. Again, there is no technical reason why DocViewer can't be registered inside Lazarus IDE - I just don't see the point, so didn't bother creating such a add-on package. Why do I say this? Because currently that is just a stupid point to raise, because Lazarus IDE help is ONLY available online in the wiki site. So neither LHelp (or any other CHM viewer) or DocView (INF viewer) is much use there - until Lazarus IDE actually uses a help format better suited than the wiki site. -- Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://fpgui.sourceforge.net ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
In our previous episode, Graeme Geldenhuys said: There is no reason it can't work within the Lazarus IDE. I did not understand what Marco meant by the lazarus internal help registration. Docview does do context sensitive help in the Editor, but He meant for help inside the IDE dialogs. No I didn't. There is a helpsystem (for all help) abstraction inside Lazarus. docview bypasses that. This means that having docview and some other helpfile type can't be searched together, while in the case of CHM it can. I'm not sure that is a good thing though. that is just a stupid point to raise, because Lazarus IDE help is ONLY available online in the wiki site. So neither LHelp (or any other CHM viewer) or DocView (INF viewer) is much use there - until Lazarus IDE actually uses a help format better suited than the wiki site. The wiki help used to be downloadable using a tool, but that failed after a wiki engine update (or some other anti-bot/spam measure in the engine/webserver) Otherwise I would have already transformed the help into CHM. ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
On 19 December 2011 12:12, Marco van de Voort wrote: For the record, disk size (even though the size difference is huge) was largely a bonus feature. No, at the time, you kept raving about it. At the time I (like many others) had a very limited monthly Internet data bundle size (150MB to be exact) - so the size of downloads was a very important point too. Now I have access to an uncapped Internet account - so the size is not so much a issue for me any more, though it could still be for others. And I tried docview on windows and IMHO it was unusable. Maybe you just used a very old version of DocView. Either way, I would love to hear more about those unusable problems you experienced. If you don't mind, would you please email them to me in private - I would like to improve the DocView experience in any way I can. All that was available for CHM too, PLUS the generation facilities. At the time I implemented DocView and INF support, the CHM code in FPC had no Index support, dog slow TOC support and many other issues. But I believe most of those issues have been addressed over the last 2 or so years. Either way the crap Linux CHM viewers problem still persists. -- Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://fpgui.sourceforge.net ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
On 19/12/11 10:12, Marco van de Voort wrote: gave me full control: the programming language I know and love, something I can maintain, advanced searching [which is super fast], All that was available for CHM too, PLUS the generation facilities. There seems to be some great tools for chm in the debian repo. One of the apps (archmage) can even serve chm contents on an http server (standalone or apache). Henry ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
On 19 December 2011 12:16, Marco van de Voort wrote: The wiki help used to be downloadable using a tool, but that failed after a wiki engine update (or some other anti-bot/spam measure in the engine/webserver) Otherwise I would have already transformed the help into CHM. I have used a HTML-to-INF converter in the past too. Creating a offline archive file is not so much the problem. One major problem still remains though... a wiki site is a spaghetti mess of topics and information. No structure at all, thus causing huge amounts of outdated or duplicated information. Not to mention the fact that the wiki site we are talking about, contains information from two separate projects: FPC and Lazarus. Anyway, this is a topic that should rather be discussed [yet again] in the Lazarus mailing list, not here. -- Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://fpgui.sourceforge.net ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
In our previous episode, Graeme Geldenhuys said: And I tried docview on windows and IMHO it was unusable. Maybe you just used a very old version of DocView. Either way, I would love to hear more about those unusable problems you experienced. If you don't mind, would you please email them to me in private - I would like to improve the DocView experience in any way I can. Sorry, no time, no interest, got a working helpsystem :-) All that was available for CHM too, PLUS the generation facilities. At the time I implemented DocView and INF support, the CHM code in FPC had no Index support, dog slow TOC support and many other issues. They were not all problems in the CHM package, rather than the systems that read them. Yes, binary index and TOC improved speed, but it was more something from bringing down from 0.9s to 0.3s But I believe most of those issues have been addressed over the last 2 or so years. Either way the crap Linux CHM viewers problem still persists. That can't be a reason to start INF because when you started with INF, there were not even crap linux viewers for it. ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
On 19 December 2011 12:32, Henry Vermaak wrote: There seems to be some great tools for chm in the debian repo. One of the apps (archmage) can even serve chm contents on an http server (standalone or apache). IBM and other third party members did that with the INF format too. IBM still has some of those sites available online. -- Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://fpgui.sourceforge.net ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
On 12/19/2011 11:32 AM, Henry Vermaak wrote: There seems to be some great tools for chm in the debian repo. One of the apps (archmage) can even serve chm contents on an http server (standalone or apache). That does look like a nice candidate for creating an external tool for Lazarus from (though pascal based tools seem more appropriate). -Michael ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
In our previous episode, Henry Vermaak said: something I can maintain, advanced searching [which is super fast], All that was available for CHM too, PLUS the generation facilities. There seems to be some great tools for chm in the debian repo. One of the apps (archmage) can even serve chm contents on an http server (standalone or apache). I don't like using full browsers for help. They are relatively slow and don't provide as convenient access to the parts that make a helpsystems a helpsystem (index, TOC, search). Still, I'm apparently the only one, since most new helpsystems are client server based on hidden webservers afaik. ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
On 19/12/11 10:40, Marco van de Voort wrote: In our previous episode, Henry Vermaak said: something I can maintain, advanced searching [which is super fast], All that was available for CHM too, PLUS the generation facilities. There seems to be some great tools for chm in the debian repo. One of the apps (archmage) can even serve chm contents on an http server (standalone or apache). I don't like using full browsers for help. They are relatively slow and don't provide as convenient access to the parts that make a helpsystems a helpsystem (index, TOC, search). Yes, it's definitely not ideal. I do like having tabs of multiple help topics open at the same time, though. Henry ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
On 19 December 2011 12:38, Marco van de Voort wrote: Sorry, no time, no interest, got a working helpsystem :-) That's what I thought... Just spreading FUD. That can't be a reason to start INF because when you started with INF, there were not even crap linux viewers for it. You are wrong. chmsee, chmview, gnochm, xchm, kchmviewer etc all existing long before I started working on DocView. Do a Google search to find the history of each of those projects - that's if you have the time and interest. ;-) -- Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://fpgui.sourceforge.net ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
In our previous episode, Graeme Geldenhuys said: That can't be a reason to start INF because when you started with INF, there were not even crap linux viewers for it. You are wrong. chmsee, chmview, gnochm, xchm, kchmviewer etc all existing long before I started working on DocView. Do a Google search to find the history of each of those projects - that's if you have the time and interest. ;-) Crap viewers for INF I meant. ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
On 12/19/2011 11:32 AM, Henry Vermaak wrote: There seems to be some great tools for chm in the debian repo. Do you know if they provide support for loading multiple CHM files simultaneously for providing combined search capabilities and can do appropriate search (and / multi word phrases / maybe or / ...) -Michael ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
In our previous episode, Henry Vermaak said: I don't like using full browsers for help. They are relatively slow and don't provide as convenient access to the parts that make a helpsystems a helpsystem (index, TOC, search). Yes, it's definitely not ideal. I do like having tabs of multiple help topics open at the same time, though. The Windows CHM system supports something like that, but it is not under full control of the user. It is more that the CHM can open multiple windows for e.g. special indexes. If I had infinite time I'd investigate that a bit deeper for overviews of string routines, filehandling etc. (one of the things the current help is lacking most IMHO. Fpdoc should probably get some tagging system) From past discussions with Graeme, I remember that he also responded that INF has some windowing functionality. ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
On 12/19/2011 11:51 AM, Marco van de Voort wrote: The Windows CHM system supports something like that, but it is not under full control of the user. It is more that the CHM can open multiple windows for e.g. special indexes. Of course, for a work in progress (such as the FPC/Lazarus help) it would be nice to provide the user with the choice to either use local help files or to dynamically pull them from the software provider's website (I don't know if docView supports this). -Michael ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] MakeSkel and FPDoc projects
Am 19.12.2011 04:05 schrieb Hans-Peter Diettrich drdiettri...@aol.com: Mattias Gaertner schrieb: I understand that conflicts can arise, when the same XML file is modified by different means. But it is not nice when the IDE then crashes. Can you create a stacktrace? How? The IDE only disappears, silently, including the console window :-( Then you need to start Lazarus with appropriate arguments from a cmd (or PowerShell) window. Regards, Sven ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?y
On 19 December 2011 11:36, Michael Schnell wrote: Sorry I cant see that due the the companies firewall blocking homeip. :-( A few have reported this before. Just four more months and I'll have my own new domain, and not a DynDNS one. :) You'd rather attach the picture to the message. :-) I'm not sure about the size limit of attachments - hopefully 16KB is not too big for this mailing list. -- Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://fpgui.sourceforge.net attachment: docview_search_result.png___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Stack alignment on i386
On 18/12/11 12:37, Den Jean wrote: Hi, to interface with c libraries containing SSE code, the stack must be aligned to 16 bytes. Currently the default -mpreferred-stack-boundary=num of gcc provides for this. However current fpc 2.4.4 does not align the stack as such. I do not know if this correct or not when reading things like: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40838#c8 http://groups.google.com/group/ia32-abi/browse_thread/thread/4f9b3e5069943bf1 Ow, we hit this problem. We are calling a library that uses opencv (where SSE instructions are used). Luckily we can add -mstackrealign to the CFLAGS of our library. People without an interface lib will be in trouble, though. Henry ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?y
On 19 December 2011 11:41, Michael Schnell wrote: Thanks for you help on help. It's all mentioned in the docview.inf help file that is included with the binary download of DocView. :) Trying to check this I tied to compile the DocView project but I git: /usr/bin/ld: warning: /home/mschnell/Downloads/svn/fpGUI/docview/src/units/i386-linux/link.res contains output sections; did you forget -T? /usr/bin/ld: /home/mschnell/Downloads/svn/fpGUI/lib/i386-linux/fpg_x11.o: undefined reference to symbol 'FcFontSetDestroy' /usr/bin/ld: note: 'FcFontSetDestroy' is defined in DSO /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 so try adding it to the linker command line /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1: could not read symbols: Invalid operation I have no idea why you keep struggling to compile projects, but from the above message, it seems you are missing the 'libfontconfig1-dev' package. If not, move your response the the fpc-pascal mailing list, or the fpgui.support newsgroup please. I'll try and help you further there. I sincerely hope that finally DocView will get fully integrated in the Lazarus IDE on the default distribution. I doubt it, DocView is not written with the LCL framework. But anybody is welcome to port the UI of docview to the LCL framework. -- Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://fpgui.sourceforge.net ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
On 19 December 2011 12:40, Marco van de Voort wrote: I don't like using full browsers for help. They are relatively slow and don't provide as convenient access to the parts that make a helpsystems a helpsystem (index, TOC, search). +1 -- Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://fpgui.sourceforge.net ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
On 19 December 2011 12:48, Marco van de Voort wrote: You are wrong. chmsee, chmview, gnochm, xchm, kchmviewer etc all existing long before I started working on DocView. Do a Google search to find the history of each of those projects - that's if you have the time and interest. ;-) Crap viewers for INF I meant. In that case, you're still wrong. IBM's iview.exe, which is a Windows INF viewer that can run happily under Linux WINE, is very crap too. ;-) I checked the file date of iview.exe, which is 2001-08-13 (though the copyright notice says 1994) - so it was also available way before I started DocView. No Linux INF viewers existed before DocView [that I know of]. -- Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://fpgui.sourceforge.net ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
On 19 December 2011 12:51, Marco van de Voort wrote: The Windows CHM system supports something like that, but it is not under full control of the user. It is more that the CHM can open multiple windows for e.g. special indexes. Just curious. I remember years ago I had an application that used HLP help (Win95 days). The application had a tutor mode - teaching the end-user how to use certain features of the application. The HLP help viewer displayed a popup window with instructions. As soon as the user completed one instruction in the application, the tutor window automatically updated to the next instruction. It is as if the application and help viewer communicated with each other. I've seen this done in OS/2 as well. Do you know if CHM supports this? -- Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://fpgui.sourceforge.net ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
On 12/19/2011 12:04 PM, Marco van de Voort wrote: I think such webservers are mainly for local use, not remote. OK, Then an update button (downloading the changed helpfile(s) (or their diffs) would be helpful. -Michael ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
In our previous episode, Graeme Geldenhuys said: for e.g. special indexes. Just curious. I remember years ago I had an application that used HLP help (Win95 days). The application had a tutor mode - teaching the end-user how to use certain features of the application. The HLP help viewer displayed a popup window with instructions. As soon as the user completed one instruction in the application, the tutor window automatically updated to the next instruction. It is as if the application and help viewer communicated with each other. I've seen this done in OS/2 as well. Do you know if CHM supports this? The Windows CHM help is instrumentable. But it is also said to be mostly a first time effort, with MS already directing resources to htmlhelp2 (and later 3), so many parts don't work reliably or are not implemented, and doing it is horribly underdocumented. The trouble is that the successors (which I didn't like, too many loose files) never was distributed for general use (only for Windows, VS and Office internal help) I never tried to instrument CHM beyond simple lookup, but from what I know from reading CHM webpages with some effort you can do quite some instrumentation. Usually by using different aspects of CHM access: there are three ways to access the htmlhelp(=chm) system: - via the API (see winunits-base example dir for examples) - via the hh.exe commandline utility - via an OCX, originally meant for in browser use. and then using mostly API, but hh for stuff that doesn't function properly. But most of the info I have on this is from win98 period. ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?
In our previous episode, Michael Schnell said: I think such webservers are mainly for local use, not remote. OK, Then an update button (downloading the changed helpfile(s) (or their diffs) would be helpful. Currently CHMs are typically generated only twice an year, and the URL is always the same. ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?y
On 19 December 2011 16:18, Michael Schnell wrote: Because I thought that during a discussion, I should use the latest version of DocView. So I tried to recompile the project (which of course deleted the executable file) ...[snip]... Yep. But I can't seem to easily install it. The RPM requires devel(libdl) which I also don't have. Yeah, it seems you development platform isn't setup correctly. I use Ubuntu on all my systems, which are DEB based, so I can't comment on RPM packages sorry. In a pinch, you can however download the latest binary of DocView from the fpGUI SourceForge project files. I supply binaries for Linux and Windows (the 'docview-xxx' files). This was released 2 weeks ago. http://sourceforge.net/projects/fpgui/files/fpGUI/0.8/ I seem to remember that I did compile docview some time ago, but I may be wrong. In fact it does not come with an svn update. 1) I don't use a SubVersion repository for fpGUI. 2) I don't include binaries in the source code repository. The only exceptions are the wipfc (INF compiler) binaries which I got from the OpenWatcom project. -- Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://fpgui.sourceforge.net ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?y
On 12/19/2011 03:53 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: http://sourceforge.net/projects/fpgui/files/fpGUI/0.8/ This of course did work. Thanks ! -Michael ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] New FPC JVM snapshot: Android support
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 13:45:07 +0100 Jonas Maebe jonas.ma...@elis.ugent.be wrote: On 18 Dec 2011, at 13:22, Sven Barth wrote: [...] Yes, that was indeed a bit complicated, but this way I might be able to use the JVM compiler in Lazarus easily for the creation of Android application (though Lazarus first needs to learn about the unicodestrings modeswitch, What's that? [...] Mattias ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] New FPC JVM snapshot: Android support
20.12.2011 7:00, Mattias Gaertner пишет:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 13:45:07 +0100
Jonas Maebejonas.ma...@elis.ugent.be wrote:
On 18 Dec 2011, at 13:22, Sven Barth wrote:
[...]
Yes, that was indeed a bit complicated, but this way I might be able to use the JVM
compiler in Lazarus easily for the creation of Android application (though Lazarus first
needs to learn about the unicodestrings modeswitch,
What's that?
A modeswitch introduced in the JVM branch to turn the string type to
unicodestring (similar to {$H+} turns string to ansistring).
Best regards,
Paul Ishenin
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Re: [fpc-devel] New FPC JVM snapshot: Android support
18.12.2011 20:45, Jonas Maebe wrote: And final fields. Final methods can't be overriden in the descendants. But what are final fields for? Best regards, Paul Ishenin ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] New FPC JVM snapshot: Android support
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Paul Ishenin i...@kmiac.ru wrote: Final methods can't be overriden in the descendants. But what are final fields for? I think they are the way to write a constant in Java. Because they have no procedural elements, they need to work around with class elements to do everything. -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
Re: [fpc-devel] New FPC JVM snapshot: Android support
20.12.2011 10:47, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho пишет: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Paul Ishenini...@kmiac.ru wrote: Final methods can't be overriden in the descendants. But what are final fields for? I think they are the way to write a constant in Java. Because they have no procedural elements, they need to work around with class elements to do everything. FPC classes support internal constants so I don't believe Jonas would add another syntax element for already existent feature. Best regards, Paul Ishenin ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel
