Re: Frame's future
At 20:27 -0800 23/2/07, Guy K. Haas wrote: What does it mean FrameMaker whatever supports Vista? Does it just mean FrameMaker whatever is able to take advantage of the marvelous new features of Vista? On the basis of a quick scan, it looks as if it just means 'running without issues' - i.e. working properly under Vista. What marvellous new features? ;-) FrameMaker does not work at all... 'Adobe FrameMaker 7.2 and earlier do not support Windows Vista. However, Adobe currently plans to release the next major version of FrameMaker for Windows Vista.' -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Wild stab in the dark: LaTeX to MIF
Without having thoroughly thought it through, it seems possible in principle to construct a LaTeX to MIF filter using a default template. Does anyone know if this has ever been tried? Sources? I have found MIF to LaTeX and LaTeX to MML here: http://www.cs.stir.ac.uk/~kjt/software/framemaker/ The Athena site at MIT seems to have cracked this, but using proprietary apps running in a Unix command line and going via MML: % la2mml filename1.tex | mmltomif filename2.mif -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame's future
The document was about Adobe products and whether they support Vista. Q. Does Adobe FrameMaker 7.2 run on Windows Vista? Does Adobe plan to update it for Windows Vista support? A. Adobe FrameMaker 7.2 and earlier do not support Windows Vista. However, Adobe currently plans to release the next major version of FrameMaker for Windows Vista. So, their phrasing does not make clear whether FrameMaker 7.2 does not work at all on Vista or Certain parts of FrameMaker 7.2 do not work on Vista. Similarly, it's not clear whether The next major version of FrameMaker will work ONLY on Windows Vista, but not earlier version. or The next major version of FrameMaker will work properly on Windows Vista AND on (certain?) earlier versions. I see nothing that spells out FrameMaker does not work at all Has anyone TRIED it and reported this? --Guy K. Haas Software Exegete in Silicon Valley Steve Rickaby wrote: At 20:27 -0800 23/2/07, Guy K. Haas wrote: What does it mean FrameMaker whatever supports Vista? Does it just mean FrameMaker whatever is able to take advantage of the marvelous new features of Vista? On the basis of a quick scan, it looks as if it just means 'running without issues' - i.e. working properly under Vista. What marvellous new features? ;-) FrameMaker does not work at all... 'Adobe FrameMaker 7.2 and earlier do not support Windows Vista. However, Adobe currently plans to release the next major version of FrameMaker for Windows Vista.' ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame's future
Guy K. Haas wrote: The document was about Adobe products and whether they support Vista. [snip] I see nothing that spells out FrameMaker does not work at all Has anyone TRIED it and reported this? Been running FM 7.2 on Vista for a few weeks now. None of my Type 1 fonts work (which I expected - ATM Pro doesn't appear to work). Otherwise, no problems at all. Even generates PDFs nicely (Acro pro 7). Other problems with Vista, though - device drivers, mainly, and seriously-worse general performance. I have also had the Blue Screen of Death once, which I haven't seen on a Windows box since NT. -- Mark Barratt Text Matters Information design: we help explain things using language | design | systems | process improvement __ phone +44 (0)118 986 8313 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype mark_barratt web http://www.textmatters.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Third-party or out of the box plugins [was re:
Eric Dunn wrote: Now what exactly is the difference between hunt and peck and drill. Drilling through a graphical user interface would involve pointing at hot spots to get to the subsystem of interest, then working from a list of commonly required process - Servicing, Repair Procedures, etc. Hunt and peck would involve someone typing into a search form on a keyboard. Is that really your question, or are you asking what the advantages are of each? And how is a toughened and oil covered touch-screen and more elegant than a toughened keyboard? It's poor form to use derogatory terminology for one option we don't support and positive terminology for the one we do. The statements also unveil a certain snobbery of IT superiority by denigrating those that work in other fields. Denigrate anything linked to the awful old hands-on industry and try to enlighten it with beautiful IT derived terms and symbology. My apologies if it sounds like snobbery - it was not intended to. When I was young I spent 7 years on an assembly line (http://www.travelaire.com/) and a year digging ditches (sorry, no URL). When I leave IT, my next career will be much more hands-on - I like factories and equipment. I accept that it may have sounded like snobbery, but I don't think it was, really. As for whether a touch-screen is more elegant than a toughened keyboard, frankly, you're missing the point. I don't know or care what the devices will look like in ten years, but the discussion isn't predicated on that. It's the data and the ways of accessing it efficiently that we're talking about. Drop the prejudice against indices as a hardcopy only issue and recognise that index information is useful metadata, regardless of how it is ultimately searched and presented. I don't think you've been reading this discussion properly and given your tone, I'm not inclined to explain it again. I haven't been advocating the abolition of indexes, I have been noting that an index is most useful when it has been created based on the view of the data that the user will see. As the trends toward syndication and purpose-driven republishing of components increases, conventional indexing tools begin to show a weakness, as there is no final view of a document. How do you decide whether to direct a user to an occurrence of a term in one fragment or another when you don't know which fragments may ultimately be combined, or whether this fragment will be combined with an as yet unknown and altogether different publication? Obviously, you cannot know how best to index a publication that does not yet exist. Alternate ways of collecting and presenting metadata are precisely what I was arguing is necessary. My point was that metadata organisation and presentation has to be carried out *after* the publication has been assembled. If you want to pull those derived publications into FrameMaker and index them with an improved version of what FrameMaker already offers, well, knock yourself out. Most organisations will be looking to replace you with software though, and Adobe will presumably be only too keen to facilitate them. Marcus Carr ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Frame's future
Note that ATM does not work under Vista. It is a discontinued product and you should not expect any updates from either Adobe or Microsoft to change that. On the other hand, there is no problem installing and using Type 1 fonts under Vista. Simply load them by using the Font Control Panel's Install Fonts function, pointing to the directory with the .PFM and .PFB files for the fonts you wish to install. This does work! - Dov -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Barratt Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 3:23 PM To: Guy K. Haas Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Frame's future Guy K. Haas wrote: The document was about Adobe products and whether they support Vista. [snip] I see nothing that spells out FrameMaker does not work at all Has anyone TRIED it and reported this? Been running FM 7.2 on Vista for a few weeks now. None of my Type 1 fonts work (which I expected - ATM Pro doesn't appear to work). Otherwise, no problems at all. Even generates PDFs nicely (Acro pro 7). Other problems with Vista, though - device drivers, mainly, and seriously-worse general performance. I have also had the Blue Screen of Death once, which I haven't seen on a Windows box since NT. -- Mark Barratt Text Matters ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Frame's future
Note that ATM does not work under Vista. It is a discontinued product and you should not expect any updates from either Adobe or Microsoft to change that. On the other hand, there is no problem installing and using Type 1 fonts under Vista. Simply load them by using the Font Control Panel's Install Fonts function, pointing to the directory with the .PFM and .PFB files for the fonts you wish to install. This does work! - Dov > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com] > On Behalf Of Mark Barratt > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 3:23 PM > To: Guy K. Haas > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Frame's future > > Guy K. Haas wrote: > > The document was about Adobe products and whether they > "support Vista". > > [snip] > > > I see nothing that spells out "FrameMaker does not work at all...". > > Has anyone TRIED it and reported this? > > Been running FM 7.2 on Vista for a few weeks now. None of my > Type 1 fonts work (which I expected - ATM Pro doesn't appear > to work). > Otherwise, no problems at all. Even generates PDFs nicely > (Acro pro 7). > > Other problems with Vista, though - device drivers, mainly, > and seriously-worse general performance. I have also had the > Blue Screen of Death once, which I haven't seen on a Windows > box since NT. > > -- > Mark Barratt > Text Matters
