Structured Frame saving XML

[hedley.fin...@myob.com]

Trevor:

> Because our XML files are managed by a source control system, ...

... you are using the wrong tool.  Source control systems are meant 
for program source code where line breaks have meaning, usually 
to separate program statements.

You need an XML-aware content management system that understands 
that whitespace (CR, LF, TAB, etc.) must be ignored and that 
the position of attributes in element tags does not matter.

So don't blame FrameMaker.  All XML editors are "deficient" in this 
regard if you examine their "source code".  But then they all 
obey the rules, so this doesn't matter.

Regards,
Hedley

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Structured Frame saving XML

[hedley.fin...@myob.com]

As well as the other suggestions re read/write rules, perhaps you could 
turn Smart Spaces off.
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Hedley Finger
Training Content Developer and Tools Specialist
MYOB Australia Pty Ltd 
P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia

Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558

? MYOB Technology Pty Ltd 2007

Frame Improvements

[Rick Quatro]

Shmuel,

What do you mean that table ruling does not work correctly? Thanks.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

> - Table ruling does not work correctly. Please fix it.
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> 052-763-7133

Frame Improvements

[Bill Swallow]

Post these in the running list on adobeforums.com. Also, if you can be
specific about issues they may be more inclined to do something about
it. I know when I'm told "X is broken. Fix it." that item goes the
very bottom of my to-do list if I can't tell if there truly is a
problem. Food for thought.

On 3/4/07, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:
> I hope someone from adobe reads this:
>
> Some improvements that would make working with Frame much more pleasant.
> Some are very simple to implement.
> - Place the chapter name in parenthesis after the filename, both in the
> window title and in the list of files on the Window menu. By chapter
> name, I mean the name that you see when you click the button in the book
> window that toggles between the filename and chapter name.
> - When using the Find feature for the current document, display a
> message when the end of the document is reached.
> - When using the Find feature for the whole book, there seems to be a
> bug that when in the middle of the search you fix something in the
> document, it does not continue the search throughout the book correctly.
> Please fix it.
> - Table ruling does not work correctly. Please fix it.

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FrameMaker crashes when file is opened prior to book

[Reng, Winfried Dr.]

Hi,

I have a book with 8 files (TOC, but no index), 230 pages.
When I open the book first, update it and then print,
everything is fine. However, when I now close everything,
open one of the files first, then open the book file and
print the book file, FrameMaker crashes. No recovery files,
lck files closed. This happens with 2 of my books.

Is this a known bug? I thought that this happens only with
the TOC.

Best regards

Winfried

Frame Improvements

[William Gaffga]

I'm not an Adobe employee but I'll bite.
First off, that is a VERY open statement. What about table ruling  
does not work? I've never seen an issue where it does not work  
correctly, except where it was my fault, such as a manual override  
that I can easily clear out. Generally speaking, FM's tables are  
about the best thing out there and I don't believe I've ever heard  
someone complain about them.

Will.

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In Charge of All Things Documentation
Gibbs and Associates
Not Far Enough From L.A.

On Mar 4, 2007, at 2:33 AM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

> - Table ruling does not work correctly. Please fix it.

(1) Numbering issues with anchored frames (2) Changing numbering in a book

[Dona Mommsen]

Hi,

I'm soliciting the 2 cents from the pros before I'm getting myself into 
trouble, and I apologize for the long post. I'm using Frame 7.0 on Mac 
10.3.9. and no FrameScript. I have a book with the following structure:

Title
TOC
LOF based on 2 paragraph tags with the same numbering tag
LOT based on 2 paragraph tags with the same numbering tag
LOP based on one paragraph tag for 'Boxes' in the document
Abbreviations
Chapter 1
Chapter 2
Chapter 3
Chapter 4
Chapter 5
Chapter 6
Chapter 7 and 8
?For chapters 1 through 8 the numbering of chapters is only in the 
paragraph numbering, not in the numbering definition of the book. 
Chapter 7 and 8 are still in one file.
?Headings are numbered 1, 1.1, 1.1.1
?Figures and Tables are numbered with separate tags, continuously 
throughout all 8 chapters
?Some figures are split into panels numbered 1a), 1b), but there is 
always one caption for the whole Figure.
Appendix A
?Headings are numbered A.1
?Figures and Tables are numbered A?1
File with more Appendix A, all in landscape format
Appendix B
References
IX

(1) This book has a numbering issue with anchored frames.
The numbering setting  is to continue the numbering from the previous 
paragraph in the book, and it is consistent in the book and in each 
document. However, this does not work when the first occurrence of the 
paragraph happens to be in an anchored frame. In that case Frame 
stubbornly restarts numbering for that paragraph / tag, and it happens 
for paragraphs containing any numbering tag. As soon as I enter the 
same paragraph format in the flow (somewhere before the anchored frame) 
the numbering continues correctly. Any ideas or workarounds?

(2) In addition, I'd like to make a number of numbering changes. Maybe 
these changes should be done first, because it includes restarting the 
numbering in each chapter, which could make the issue detailed above 
obsolete. However, I'm not sure if there is any order in which I should 
tackle these changes. I'm particularly uncertain if I'm missing 
something about numbering definitions of the book vs. numbering in the 
paragraph format that could get me in trouble.

?> Introducing Parts should be the easy part:
Part I: Chapters 1 to 3
Part II: Chapters 4 to 6
Part III: Chapters 7 to 8
I was planning to create a new paragraph tag and to include that in the 
TOC.

?> Change the numbering of Figures and Tables to Chapter?Figure  or 
Chapter?Table, respectively, e.g. Figure?1?1. Thus the numbering 
restarts in each chapter.
I've done the combined numbering in the Appendix, with a structure of 
empty brackets in the auto-numbering format,
e.g. A:.< >< >< >\t
Should I do the same for the main chapters 1 through 8, or is there 
something that I'm missing about the chapter numbering definition of 
the book?
Please note that I have multiple paragraph tags for Figures and Tables, 
so there are 2 numbering tags but 5 paragraph tags in total: Figure, 
FigureWithSource, TableTitle, TableTitleWithSource, and another 
paragraph tag for the Figures  that are split into panels. The 'with 
source' paragraphs have a different spacing, ruler and 'next paragraph' 
property, because they are followed by a paragraph indicating the 
source. However, they are using the same numbering tag, so there are 
only 2 numbering  tags, one for Figures and one for Tables. Also, the 
paragraph tag for split Figures with panels numbered 1a), 1b) uses the 
same numbering tag. However, these  panels are not included in the List 
of Figures. The caption for the whole figure that gets into the LOF is 
either a paragraph Figure or  FigureWithSource.
Again, the goal it to change the numbering to Chapter?Figure  or 
Chapter?Table,  respectively. I guess that I can handle that with the 
correct structure in the  empty-brackets-approach, where Figure and 
FigureWithSource have to use the same item in the list. To get the 
'Figures with panels',  I'll probably need another item in the 
structure. Again, the question is whether there is a better way of 
doing this, using the chapter numbering definition in the book? Is it 
possible to use a variable definition like <$chapnum> in the 
auto-numbering of a paragraph tag?

?> I'm also grateful for any tips how to make these changes across the 
book without FrameScript.

?> How bad is it to have 2 chapters in one file? I don't mind to split 
the file. I'm asking purely out of curiosity, and I already brace 
myself for the outcry this question might provoke.

Last but not least, all these Lists of ? are taking up too much space.  
The closest that I could move them together is to start each file on 
the next available page. Is it possible to have all the List of 
Figures, Tables, and Paragraphs in one file but as three separate 
lists?

Thanks in advance for any suggestion.

Dona