cross references in text insets

[Mollye Barrett]

I'm going quietly mad this morning with a cross reference problem.

There are internal cross references to figure numbers (Figure 5-2)
paranum in a text insets and they shows up fine in the insets. When I
import the insets into the container doc and update, the cross references
disappear. The formats and variables are the same (re-imported to make
sure) in the inset and container doc.

It's probaby something simple but I can't see it...

Can anyone help?


Mollye Barrett
ClearPath, LLC
414-331-1378
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Re: cross references in text insets

[Paul Wilbraham]

Molleye

If I update the inset, by double-clicking and choosing update now, I get the 
result you describe.
If I Edit menu, update references and update all cross-refs and text insets 
(marked for automatic update), I get to see the cross-reference correctly.

HTH

--Paul Wilbraham
Aztex
+44 (0) 161 8618674

- Original Message - 
From: Mollye Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:47 PM
Subject: cross references in text insets


 I'm going quietly mad this morning with a cross reference problem.

 There are internal cross references to figure numbers (Figure 5-2)
 paranum in a text insets and they shows up fine in the insets. When I
 import the insets into the container doc and update, the cross references
 disappear. The formats and variables are the same (re-imported to make
 sure) in the inset and container doc.

 It's probaby something simple but I can't see it...

 Can anyone help?


 Mollye Barrett
 ClearPath, LLC
 414-331-1378
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Re: cross references in text insets

[Mollye Barrett]

Paul,

My results are different/vary (ugh)...
- When I double-click and select Update, the x-refs completely disappear.
- When I double-click, go to Settings and select Retain Source's
Formatting, the x-refs reappear.
- Then, when I double-click, select Update, the x-refs persist.

I need a bullet-proof way to update the insets globally with formatting
from the container doc.

Thanks for the thoughts though!

Mollye


 Molleye

 If I update the inset, by double-clicking and choosing update now, I get
 the
 result you describe.
 If I Edit menu, update references and update all cross-refs and text
 insets
 (marked for automatic update), I get to see the cross-reference correctly.

 HTH

 --Paul Wilbraham
 Aztex
 +44 (0) 161 8618674

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Re: cross references in text insets

[Rene Stephenson]

Mollye,

All of our text insets are set to container doc formatting, and we have tons of 
them in tons of books. We set up a separate book file that points to all the 
text insets, and then we open all the files from that book minimized (FSL open 
all files in book silently). Then we open all the files in the book that has 
the container files and generate that book, selecting all the options except 
for applying master pages. Most of the time this is bullet-proof. 

However, the sure-fire way to handle xrefs in a text inset is actually by using 
hypertext links rather than xrefs. The reason we don't do that here on a 
consistent basis has a lot more to do with some of our folks' limitations 
relating to the complexity of setting up hypertext markers with unique gotolink 
and newlink marker text than it does with best practices.
 
Rene L. Stephenson





- Original Message 
From: Mollye Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Paul Wilbraham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 1:39:10 PM
Subject: Re: cross references in text insets

Paul,

My results are different/vary (ugh)...
- When I double-click and select Update, the x-refs completely disappear.
- When I double-click, go to Settings and select Retain Source's
Formatting, the x-refs reappear.
- Then, when I double-click, select Update, the x-refs persist.

I need a bullet-proof way to update the insets globally with formatting
from the container doc.

Thanks for the thoughts though!

Mollye


 Molleye

 If I update the inset, by double-clicking and choosing update now, I get
 the
 result you describe.
 If I Edit menu, update references and update all cross-refs and text
 insets
 (marked for automatic update), I get to see the cross-reference correctly.

 HTH

 --Paul Wilbraham
 Aztex
 +44 (0) 161 8618674

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Whither RoboHelp for FrameMaker, Adobe?

[Hedley Finger]

BlueSky turned into eHelp and developed RoboHelp for FrameMaker, an 
intuitive GUI oriented converter to generate RoboHelp from original 
FrameMaker files.  Then MacroMedia bought eHelp to get their hands on 
Captivate, preserved RoboHelp (sort of) and dumped RoboHelp for 
FrameMaker.  Then Adobe bought Macromedia and resurrected RoboHelp 
(sort of) and strapped a bunch of incompatible and barely integrated 
apps together into Adobe Technical Communications Suite.

So who finished up with the RoboHelp for FrameMaker source code and 
why wasn't it resurrected for Adobe Technical Communications 
Suite?  RoboHelp for FrameMaker was far better than the FM binary --> 
MIF --> RoboHelp --> CHM, etc. as it allowed round tripping in a 
fashion, i.e. if you saw something wrong in the help, you could 
quickly fix it in FM and regenerate the help.

Did the Madcap people take the code for RoboHelp for FrameMaker with 
them?  Did Adobe accidentally throw the master CD into the dump 
bin?  Who knows, who can speculate baselessly, who can start a 
paranoid hare running?

Next week:  Where is the location of Atlantis?

Regards,
Hedley


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Tel. +61 3 9809 1229   Mobile +61 412 461 558,
E-mail 

cross references in text insets

[Mollye Barrett]

I'm going quietly mad this morning with a cross reference problem.

There are internal cross references to figure numbers (Figure 5-2)
 in a text insets and they shows up fine in the insets. When I
import the insets into the container doc and update, the cross references
disappear. The formats and variables are the same (re-imported to make
sure) in the inset and container doc.

It's probaby something simple but I can't see it...

Can anyone help?


Mollye Barrett
ClearPath, LLC
414-331-1378

cross references in text insets

[Paul Wilbraham]

Molleye

If I update the inset, by double-clicking and choosing update now, I get the 
result you describe.
If I Edit menu, update references and update all cross-refs and text insets 
(marked for automatic update), I get to see the cross-reference correctly.

HTH

--Paul Wilbraham
Aztex
+44 (0) 161 8618674

- Original Message - 
From: "Mollye Barrett" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:47 PM
Subject: cross references in text insets


> I'm going quietly mad this morning with a cross reference problem.
>
> There are internal cross references to figure numbers (Figure 5-2)
>  in a text insets and they shows up fine in the insets. When I
> import the insets into the container doc and update, the cross references
> disappear. The formats and variables are the same (re-imported to make
> sure) in the inset and container doc.
>
> It's probaby something simple but I can't see it...
>
> Can anyone help?
>
>
> Mollye Barrett
> ClearPath, LLC
> 414-331-1378
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cross references in text insets

[Mollye Barrett]

Paul,

My results are different/vary (ugh)...
- When I double-click and select Update, the x-refs completely disappear.
- When I double-click, go to Settings and select Retain Source's
Formatting, the x-refs reappear.
- Then, when I double-click, select Update, the x-refs persist.

I need a bullet-proof way to update the insets globally with formatting
from the container doc.

Thanks for the thoughts though!

Mollye


> Molleye
>
> If I update the inset, by double-clicking and choosing update now, I get
> the
> result you describe.
> If I Edit menu, update references and update all cross-refs and text
> insets
> (marked for automatic update), I get to see the cross-reference correctly.
>
> HTH
>
> --Paul Wilbraham
> Aztex
> +44 (0) 161 8618674
>

cross references in text insets

[Rene Stephenson]

Mollye,

All of our text insets are set to container doc formatting, and we have tons of 
them in tons of books. We set up a separate book file that points to all the 
text insets, and then we open all the files from that book minimized (FSL "open 
all files in book silently"). Then we open all the files in the book that has 
the container files and generate that book, selecting all the options except 
for applying master pages. Most of the time this is bullet-proof. 

However, the sure-fire way to handle xrefs in a text inset is actually by using 
hypertext links rather than xrefs. The reason we don't do that here on a 
consistent basis has a lot more to do with some of our folks' limitations 
relating to the complexity of setting up hypertext markers with unique gotolink 
and newlink marker text than it does with best practices.

Rene L. Stephenson





- Original Message 
From: Mollye Barrett 
To: Paul Wilbraham 
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 1:39:10 PM
Subject: Re: cross references in text insets

Paul,

My results are different/vary (ugh)...
- When I double-click and select Update, the x-refs completely disappear.
- When I double-click, go to Settings and select Retain Source's
Formatting, the x-refs reappear.
- Then, when I double-click, select Update, the x-refs persist.

I need a bullet-proof way to update the insets globally with formatting
from the container doc.

Thanks for the thoughts though!

Mollye


> Molleye
>
> If I update the inset, by double-clicking and choosing update now, I get
> the
> result you describe.
> If I Edit menu, update references and update all cross-refs and text
> insets
> (marked for automatic update), I get to see the cross-reference correctly.
>
> HTH
>
> --Paul Wilbraham
> Aztex
> +44 (0) 161 8618674
>
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