RE: Inserting a same marker in all files of a book

[de Rouck, Tom (Gent)]

Hi Ricard, 

Thanks for this idea, it's great but apparently it does not work for my 
application.
The 'PageStyle' marker is a marker recognised by ePublisher to apply a specific 
layout (override to the standard layout).
When I put it on the Master pages, ePublisher does not seem to recognize it...

Thanks anyway!

Kind regards, 
Tom


Tom De Rouck
SGS Documentation Services
Technical Writer
Phone:  +32 (0)9 242 81 77


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From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: woensdag 17 februari 2010 21:23
To: de Rouck, Tom (Gent); framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting a same marker in all files of a book

de Rouck, Tom wrote: 
 
 Working within Framemaker 8 (Technical Suite) I need to insert a
PageStyle
 marker (with same value) in 102 Framefiles of a book. Those files are 
 generated by an external application and can update at any time. These 
 pages contain one heading (style chapter_title) and a lot of html body 
 text, put to passthrough for my ePublisher output.
 
 I could do it manually but the continuous update would oblige me to do
it
 over and over again so something automatic would be great.

Well, once again, I probably don't understand the context... (It would help to 
know what the purpose of the PageStyle marker, what you're trying to 
accomplish, and why the kinds of pgfs in the main text flow
matter.) 

But what the heck, I'll jump in anyway. 

Assuming that the marker can live in a background text frame (like the header 
or footer), put it on the master pages of one of the files. Then import page 
layouts from that file to the other files in the book. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
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RE: Table Cell Sizes

[LW White]

Hi Brenda,

As far as I know, Frame cannot dynamically resize table cells based on their 
contents. This would be a difficult thing to accomplish and could easily result 
in extremely wide table cells if there were no manual returns in the text of a 
cell. You can either set a table's exact width and specify an exact width for 
each column or you can set proportional widths for the table and each column 
(n%), but not dynamic widths. It would be great if such a thing were 
possible--especialy in translated text which can be significantly longer than 
English and thus wrap very oddly in table columns set for the width of the 
English text. Unfortunately, I am unaware of any way this can be done, either 
in Frame or in XML/HTML. It might just be possible with XSLT, using some kind 
of character count, but it would be complicated and quite ad hoc.

Best,
Leigh


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based on the amount of data that is flowed into the table cells.
 
 
 
I need for the cells to adhere to the pre-set size set in the table.
 
 
 
Is there a setting in FrameMaker that modifies table behavior, allowing table 
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Re: Inserting a same marker in all files of a book

[Stuart Rogers]

On 18/02/2010 5:26 AM, de Rouck, Tom (Gent) wrote:
 Hi Ricard,

 Thanks for this idea, it's great but apparently it does not work for
 my application. The 'PageStyle' marker is a marker recognised by
 ePublisher to apply a specific layout (override to the standard
 layout). When I put it on the Master pages, ePublisher does not seem
 to recognize it...


Might be cumbersome, but here's an idea --

Create a new book of new files that each contain only your PageStyle 
marker and one auto-generated file imported as a text inset set to 
update automatically.

HTH,

-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
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Recording: PDF-based Reviews using FrameMaker 9, Acrobat 9 Pro and Acrobat.com

[RJ Jacquez]

Hi All,

I've seen a number of times on this list discussions on the topic of Importing 
PDF comments into FrameMaker 9 and I wanted to share a recording of an eSeminar 
I recently hosted on this very topic.

Normally I present alone, but this time, since I was doing a demonstration 
which involved collaboration from Reviewers via Acrobat.com, I enlisted the 
help of John Daiglehttp://twitter.com/hypertexas/, Edward 
Martinohttp://twitter.com/ermphd/ and Lance 
Roberthttp://twitter.com/lancerobert/, who volunteered to play the role of 
Reviewers and they did a terrific job. After an overview, we go into a 
demonstration.

Here's the link to my Blog, which has more information and the link to the 
recording: http://bit.ly/4qOYV0


Sincerely,

RJ Jácquez
Senior Product Evangelist
Adobe Technical Communication Suite
Adobe eLearning Suite
http://blogs.adobe.com/rjacquez
Twitter: @rjacquezhttp://twitter.com/rjacquez/

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Re: pure XML

[Chris Despopoulos]

I agree with Michael on this...  You can't use the FrameMaker conditional text 
feature with other editors because, well, you can't. So the Maker PIs make no 
sense and are correctly ignored by those editors.  OTOH, nothing prevented you 
from using special show/hide attributes in Maker.  As I recall, earlier 
versions even had a way to deal with them, didn't they?  Was it through the 
EDD, or was it through r/w rules???  I forget (or am I dreaming?).  Anyway, you 
could always have written a plugin that would do the right thing.  (And 
building plugins or other modifications for editors is not unusual, as I 
understand it.)

For Maker 9, they've just built attribute filtering directly into the product. 
No doubt via a plugin on the rendering side.  Who wants to bet some special 
variant of conditional text is involved?  You can use that, or you can use 
standard conditional text, or both.  There may be cases where you would want to 
use Maker conditional text.

This is an example of how the markup model evolved apart from the Maker model 
(a good thing, and pretty much by definition), and how the Maker model was 
modified to catch up.  Not every editor implements every possible markup 
construct out of the box.  No editor renders markup natively except for text 
editors.  As far as I know, since Maker 8 (UNICODE) the significant limitation 
to Maker is in tables (no tables within tables -- can you live with that limit, 
yes or no?).  Otherwise, you should be able to bend Maker to any markup's will. 
 Whether Adobe foots the bill is strictly a marketing decision.

I still wish the API explicitly supported injecting custom IDs in elements.

cud

Am 17.02.2010 um 16:33 schrieb Sarah O'Keefe:

 So, if you use the original FrameMaker model of conditional text, you  
 will have interoperability problems. There are other features with  
 similar issues.

Isn't interoperability more a question of process design than of product 
features? 

I
doubt whether two arbitrary XML editors are interoperable in all
editing aspects. It seems to me, 
that every editor has its own 
take on
tracking changes, for example. Also handling of tables and support for
graphics come to my mind.

- Michael


  
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RE: Inserting a same marker in all files of a book

[Chris Despopoulos]

If you can't afford a script, or while you're waiting for one (assuming the 
marker has to be on the body page), you could always try to work up some form 
of find/replace where you copy the marker and replace by paste.  But a plugin 
or script should be very simple to produce for this.  I could do a custom 
plugin (no need for an engine like FrameScript) in a few hours.  I'm sure there 
are others on the list who could do it as well.  If this is really a regular 
issue, the investment would definitely be worth it, I believe.

cud



  
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XML Output from FrameMaker not Pure XML?

[Jan Whitacre]

I knew if this question stayed out there long enough, I'd get a lot of
varied responses. Thanks for all your input (output?). We will never run out
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Page Numbering Problem

[Howard Rauch]

FrameMaker 7.0 (there are still some of us)
Windows XP Pro

What am is doing wrong or what do I need to do? The problem I am having is that 
FM now adds a blank page no matter what settings I use and I can't figure out 
why. The only change from the previous version is that the chapter now has two 
pages instead of one, but FM insists on adding a third page. I compared this 
version's settings with the previous version. They are the same. I also 
compared the settings for the upstream and downstream chapters. They are also 
the same. I've also compared the books' settings -- Ditto. The book settings 
are as follows:

Under Format/Page Layout/Pagination
- Double Sided (I have left and right master pages)
- Left Side (the chapter should begin on the left page)
- Delete Empty Pages

Under Format/Document/Numbering/Page
- Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book

This chapter should be pages 18-19. When I renumber the book, Frame adds a 
blank page 20 and changes the Pagination to Make Page Count Odd.

The settings are the identical for the chapter. I also checked the upstream and 
downstream chapters. They are set up the same way.

Any thoughts? (I am nearly to my wit's end with this problem.)

Howard

Technology Transfer, Inc.
Linking Creators and Users of Technology
933 North 18th Street
Manitowoc WI 54220
Office: 920-682-1528
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Re: Page Numbering Problem

[Alan T Litchfield]

If you delete the blank pages do they reappear after an update?

Alan

On 19/02/2010, at 12:52 PM, Howard Rauch wrote:

 FrameMaker 7.0 (there are still some of us)
 Windows XP Pro

 What am is doing wrong or what do I need to do? The problem I am  
 having is that FM now adds a blank page no matter what settings I  
 use and I can't figure out why. The only change from the previous  
 version is that the chapter now has two pages instead of one, but FM  
 insists on adding a third page. I compared this version's settings  
 with the previous version. They are the same. I also compared the  
 settings for the upstream and downstream chapters. They are also the  
 same. I've also compared the books' settings -- Ditto. The book  
 settings are as follows:

 Under Format/Page Layout/Pagination
 - Double Sided (I have left and right master pages)
 - Left Side (the chapter should begin on the left page)
 - Delete Empty Pages

 Under Format/Document/Numbering/Page
 - Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book

 This chapter should be pages 18-19. When I renumber the book, Frame  
 adds a blank page 20 and changes the Pagination to Make Page Count  
 Odd.

 The settings are the identical for the chapter. I also checked the  
 upstream and downstream chapters. They are set up the same way.

 Any thoughts? (I am nearly to my wit's end with this problem.)



--
Alan T Litchfield
AlphaByte
PO Box 141, Auckland, 1140
New Zealand
http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
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Re: Page Numbering Problem

[Huntley Eshenroder]

You are likely to get better answers from others on the list but one
thing to check is that there aren't extra paragraph markers after the
last paragraph that are causing Frame to generate an extra page.

-Huntley



On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Howard Rauch
techtrans...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 FrameMaker 7.0 (there are still some of us)
 Windows XP Pro

 What am is doing wrong or what do I need to do? The problem I am having is 
 that FM now adds a blank page no matter what settings I use and I can't 
 figure out why. The only change from the previous version is that the 
 chapter now has two pages instead of one, but FM insists on adding a third 
 page. I compared this version's settings with the previous version. They are 
 the same. I also compared the settings for the upstream and downstream 
 chapters. They are also the same. I've also compared the books' settings -- 
 Ditto. The book settings are as follows:

 Under Format/Page Layout/Pagination
 - Double Sided (I have left and right master pages)
 - Left Side (the chapter should begin on the left page)
 - Delete Empty Pages

 Under Format/Document/Numbering/Page
 - Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book

 This chapter should be pages 18-19. When I renumber the book, Frame adds a 
 blank page 20 and changes the Pagination to Make Page Count Odd.

 The settings are the identical for the chapter. I also checked the upstream 
 and downstream chapters. They are set up the same way.

 Any thoughts? (I am nearly to my wit's end with this problem.)

 Howard

 Technology Transfer, Inc.
 Linking Creators and Users of Technology
 933 North 18th Street
 Manitowoc WI 54220
 Office: 920-682-1528
 Cell: 920-629-1782
 920-629-0080
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RE: Page Numbering Problem

[Fred Ridder]

The key to making this work is to set the pagination properties from the book 
file rather than from the individual file and do *not* specify the starting 
page side except for the first file in the book (which will presumably start on 
a right page). What you need to use is the Next Available option for the 
starting page, and that option is only availabe from the book file. (An 
individual file has no knowledge of what precedes it so next available is a 
meanigless concept for an isolated file.) Keep the Delete Empty Pages option 
as-is and you should be all set after doing an Update Book. Note that you can 
set Next Available for multiple files by selecting all files that will have 
the same properties in the book window, right-clicking on the selection, and 
choosing Pagination from the context menu.

-Fred Ridder

 
 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:52:52 -0800
 From: techtrans...@sbcglobal.net
 Subject: Page Numbering Problem
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 FrameMaker 7.0 (there are still some of us)
 Windows XP Pro
 
 What am is doing wrong or what do I need to do? The problem I am having is 
 that FM now adds a blank page no matter what settings I use and I can't 
 figure out why. The only change from the previous version is that the chapter 
 now has two pages instead of one, but FM insists on adding a third page. I 
 compared this version's settings with the previous version. They are the 
 same. I also compared the settings for the upstream and downstream chapters. 
 They are also the same. I've also compared the books' settings -- Ditto. The 
 book settings are as follows:
 
 Under Format/Page Layout/Pagination
 - Double Sided (I have left and right master pages)
 - Left Side (the chapter should begin on the left page)
 - Delete Empty Pages
 
 Under Format/Document/Numbering/Page
 - Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book
 
 This chapter should be pages 18-19. When I renumber the book, Frame adds a 
 blank page 20 and changes the Pagination to Make Page Count Odd.
 
 The settings are the identical for the chapter. I also checked the upstream 
 and downstream chapters. They are set up the same way.
 
 Any thoughts? (I am nearly to my wit's end with this problem.)
 
 Howard
 
 Technology Transfer, Inc.
 Linking Creators and Users of Technology
 933 North 18th Street
 Manitowoc WI 54220
 Office: 920-682-1528
 Cell: 920-629-1782
 920-629-0080
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SOLVED Inserting a same marker in all files of a book

[de Rouck, Tom (Gent)]

Hi all, 

Thanks for all your ideas but yesterday I finally saw the light...

I remembered the good old By pasting option in the Find/replace window, and 
magically, you can paste a marker! This is something I did not know and which 
might be interesting for others!
Luckily my docs contain some recurring text so I can find/replace recurring 
text by recurringblablabla text and then find/replace blablabla by the 
marker. 

Kind regards, 
Tom


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Technical Writer



-Original Message-
From: de Rouck, Tom (Gent) 
Sent: donderdag 18 februari 2010 11:26
To: 'Combs, Richard'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting a same marker in all files of a book

Hi Ricard, 

Thanks for this idea, it's great but apparently it does not work for my 
application.
The 'PageStyle' marker is a marker recognised by ePublisher to apply a specific 
layout (override to the standard layout).
When I put it on the Master pages, ePublisher does not seem to recognize it...

Thanks anyway!

Kind regards,
Tom


Tom De Rouck
SGS Documentation Services
Technical Writer
Phone:  +32 (0)9 242 81 77


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From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: woensdag 17 februari 2010 21:23
To: de Rouck, Tom (Gent); framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting a same marker in all files of a book

de Rouck, Tom wrote: 
 
 Working within Framemaker 8 (Technical Suite) I need to insert a
PageStyle
 marker (with same value) in 102 Framefiles of a book. Those files are 
 generated by an external application and can update at any time. These 
 pages contain one heading (style chapter_title) and a lot of html body 
 text, put to passthrough for my ePublisher output.
 
 I could do it manually but the continuous update would oblige me to do
it
 over and over again so something automatic would be great.

Well, once again, I probably don't understand the context... (It would help to 
know what the purpose of the PageStyle marker, what you're trying to 
accomplish, and why the kinds of pgfs in the main text flow
matter.) 

But what the heck, I'll jump in anyway. 

Assuming that the marker can live in a background text frame (like the header 
or footer), put it on the master pages of one of the files. Then import page 
layouts from that file to the other files in the book. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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Inserting a same marker in all files of a book

[de Rouck, Tom (Gent)]

Hi Ricard, 

Thanks for this idea, it's great but apparently it does not work for my 
application.
The 'PageStyle' marker is a marker recognised by ePublisher to apply a specific 
layout (override to the standard layout).
When I put it on the Master pages, ePublisher does not seem to recognize it...

Thanks anyway!

Kind regards, 
Tom


Tom De Rouck
SGS Documentation Services
Technical Writer
Phone:  +32 (0)9 242 81 77


-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: woensdag 17 februari 2010 21:23
To: de Rouck, Tom (Gent); framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting a same marker in all files of a book

de Rouck, Tom wrote: 

> Working within Framemaker 8 (Technical Suite) I need to insert a
PageStyle
> marker (with same value) in 102 Framefiles of a book. Those files are 
> generated by an external application and can update at any time. These 
> pages contain one heading (style chapter_title) and a lot of html body 
> text, put to "passthrough" for my ePublisher output.
> 
> I could do it manually but the continuous update would oblige me to do
it
> over and over again so something automatic would be great.

Well, once again, I probably don't understand the context... (It would help to 
know what the purpose of the PageStyle marker, what you're trying to 
accomplish, and why the kinds of pgfs in the main text flow
matter.) 

But what the heck, I'll jump in anyway. 

Assuming that the marker can live in a background text frame (like the header 
or footer), put it on the master pages of one of the files. Then import page 
layouts from that file to the other files in the book. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
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Table Cell Sizes

[LW White]

Hi Brenda,

As far as I know, Frame cannot dynamically resize table cells based on their 
contents. This would be a difficult thing to accomplish and could easily result 
in extremely wide table cells if there were no manual returns in the text of a 
cell. You can either set a table's exact width and specify an exact width for 
each column or you can set proportional widths for the table and each column 
(n%), but not dynamic widths. It would be great if such a thing were 
possible--especialy in translated text which can be significantly longer than 
English and thus wrap very oddly in table columns set for the width of the 
English text. Unfortunately, I am unaware of any way this can be done, either 
in Frame or in XML/HTML. It might just be possible with XSLT, using some kind 
of character count, but it would be complicated and quite ad hoc.

Best,
Leigh


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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:58:54 -0500
Subject: Table Cell Sizes

I am having problems with table cells enlarging table enlarging or contracting 
based on the amount of data that is flowed into the table cells.



I need for the cells to adhere to the pre-set size set in the table.



Is there a setting in FrameMaker that modifies table behavior, allowing table 
size to adjust based on volume of data? If so, how do I change that setting?

Brenda George
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Inserting a same marker in all files of a book

[Stuart Rogers]

On 18/02/2010 5:26 AM, de Rouck, Tom (Gent) wrote:
> Hi Ricard,
>
> Thanks for this idea, it's great but apparently it does not work for
> my application. The 'PageStyle' marker is a marker recognised by
> ePublisher to apply a specific layout (override to the standard
> layout). When I put it on the Master pages, ePublisher does not seem
> to recognize it...
>

Might be cumbersome, but here's an idea --

Create a new book of new files that each contain only your PageStyle 
marker and one auto-generated file imported as a text inset set to 
update automatically.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"I believe that every human has a finite number of heart-beats. I don't
intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises."

Buzz Aldrin (1930 - )

Recording: PDF-based Reviews using FrameMaker 9, Acrobat 9 Pro and Acrobat.com

[RJ Jacquez]

Hi All,

I've seen a number of times on this list discussions on the topic of Importing 
PDF comments into FrameMaker 9 and I wanted to share a recording of an eSeminar 
I recently hosted on this very topic.

Normally I present alone, but this time, since I was doing a demonstration 
which involved collaboration from Reviewers via Acrobat.com, I enlisted the 
help of John Daigle, Edward 
Martino and Lance 
Robert, who volunteered to play the role of 
Reviewers and they did a terrific job. After an overview, we go into a 
demonstration.

Here's the link to my Blog, which has more information and the link to the 
recording: http://bit.ly/4qOYV0


Sincerely,

RJ J?cquez
Senior Product Evangelist
Adobe Technical Communication Suite
Adobe eLearning Suite
http://blogs.adobe.com/rjacquez
Twitter: @rjacquez

pure XML

[Chris Despopoulos]

I agree with Michael on this...  You can't use the FrameMaker conditional text 
feature with other editors because, well, you can't. So the Maker PIs make no 
sense and are correctly ignored by those editors.  OTOH, nothing prevented you 
from using special show/hide attributes in Maker.  As I recall, earlier 
versions even had a way to deal with them, didn't they?  Was it through the 
EDD, or was it through r/w rules???  I forget (or am I dreaming?).  Anyway, you 
could always have written a plugin that would do the right thing.  (And 
building plugins or other modifications for editors is not unusual, as I 
understand it.)

For Maker 9, they've just built attribute filtering directly into the product. 
No doubt via a plugin on the rendering side.  Who wants to bet some special 
variant of conditional text is involved?  You can use that, or you can use 
standard conditional text, or both.  There may be cases where you would want to 
use Maker conditional text.

This is an example of how the markup model evolved apart from the Maker model 
(a good thing, and pretty much by definition), and how the Maker model was 
modified to catch up.  Not every editor implements every possible markup 
construct out of the box.  No editor renders markup natively except for text 
editors.  As far as I know, since Maker 8 (UNICODE) the significant limitation 
to Maker is in tables (no tables within tables -- can you live with that limit, 
yes or no?).  Otherwise, you should be able to bend Maker to any markup's will. 
 Whether Adobe foots the bill is strictly a marketing decision.

I still wish the API explicitly supported injecting custom IDs in elements.

cud

>Am 17.02.2010 um 16:33 schrieb Sarah O'Keefe:
>
>> So, if you use the original FrameMaker model of conditional text, you  
>> will have interoperability problems. There are other features with  
>> similar issues.
>
>Isn't "interoperability" more a question of process design than of product 
>features? 
>
>I
doubt whether two arbitrary XML editors are interoperable in all
editing aspects. It seems to me, 
>that every editor has its own 
>take on
tracking changes, for example. Also handling of tables and support for
graphics come to my mind.
>
>- Michael

Inserting a same marker in all files of a book

[Chris Despopoulos]

If you can't afford a script, or while you're waiting for one (assuming the 
marker has to be on the body page), you could always try to work up some form 
of find/replace where you copy the marker and replace by paste.  But a plugin 
or script should be very simple to produce for this.  I could do a custom 
plugin (no need for an engine like FrameScript) in a few hours.  I'm sure there 
are others on the list who could do it as well.  If this is really a regular 
issue, the investment would definitely be worth it, I believe.

cud

XML Output from FrameMaker not Pure XML?

[Jan Whitacre]

I knew if this question stayed out there long enough, I'd get a lot of
varied responses. Thanks for all your input (output?). We will never run out
of things to learn in this profession!



Jan Whitacre



Excellent Information Developer/Content Strategist

Email: jwhit15 at verizon.net



Cell: 214-704-7952

Page Numbering Problem

[Howard Rauch]

FrameMaker 7.0 (there are still some of us)
Windows XP Pro

What am is doing wrong or what do I need to do??The problem I am?having is that 
FM now adds a blank page no matter what settings I use and I can't figure out 
why. The only change from the previous version is that the chapter?now has?two 
pages instead of?one, but FM insists on adding a third page. I compared this 
version's settings with?the previous version. They are the same. I also 
compared the?settings for the upstream and downstream chapters. They are also 
the same. I've also compared the books' settings -- Ditto. The book settings 
are as follows:

Under Format/Page Layout/Pagination
- Double Sided (I have?left and right master pages)
- Left Side (the chapter should begin on the left page)
- Delete Empty Pages

Under Format/Document/Numbering/Page
- Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book

This chapter should be pages 18-19. When I renumber the book, Frame adds a 
blank page 20 and changes the Pagination to "Make Page Count Odd."

The settings are the identical for the chapter. I also checked the upstream and 
downstream chapters. They are set up the same way.

Any thoughts? (I am nearly to my wit's end with this problem.)

Howard

Technology Transfer, Inc.
"Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
933 North 18th Street
Manitowoc WI 54220
Office: 920-682-1528
Cell: 920-629-1782
920-629-0080

Page Numbering Problem

[Huntley Eshenroder]

You are likely to get better answers from others on the list but one
thing to check is that there aren't extra paragraph markers after the
last paragraph that are causing Frame to generate an extra page.

-Huntley



On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Howard Rauch
 wrote:
> FrameMaker 7.0 (there are still some of us)
> Windows XP Pro
>
> What am is doing wrong or what do I need to do??The problem I am?having is 
> that FM now adds a blank page no matter what settings I use and I can't 
> figure out why. The only change from the previous version is that the 
> chapter?now has?two pages instead of?one, but FM insists on adding a third 
> page. I compared this version's settings with?the previous version. They are 
> the same. I also compared the?settings for the upstream and downstream 
> chapters. They are also the same. I've also compared the books' settings -- 
> Ditto. The book settings are as follows:
>
> Under Format/Page Layout/Pagination
> - Double Sided (I have?left and right master pages)
> - Left Side (the chapter should begin on the left page)
> - Delete Empty Pages
>
> Under Format/Document/Numbering/Page
> - Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book
>
> This chapter should be pages 18-19. When I renumber the book, Frame adds a 
> blank page 20 and changes the Pagination to "Make Page Count Odd."
>
> The settings are the identical for the chapter. I also checked the upstream 
> and downstream chapters. They are set up the same way.
>
> Any thoughts? (I am nearly to my wit's end with this problem.)
>
> Howard
>
> Technology Transfer, Inc.
> "Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
> 933 North 18th Street
> Manitowoc WI 54220
> Office: 920-682-1528
> Cell: 920-629-1782
> 920-629-0080
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Page Numbering Problem

[Fred Ridder]

The key to making this work is to set the pagination properties from the book 
file rather than from the individual file and do *not* specify the starting 
page side except for the first file in the book (which will presumably start on 
a right page). What you need to use is the "Next Available" option for the 
starting page, and that option is only availabe from the book file. (An 
individual file has no knowledge of what precedes it so "next available" is a 
meanigless concept for an isolated file.) Keep the "Delete Empty Pages" option 
as-is and you should be all set after doing an Update Book. Note that you can 
set "Next Available for multiple files by selecting all files that will have 
the same properties in the book window, right-clicking on the selection, and 
choosing Pagination from the context menu.

-Fred Ridder


> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:52:52 -0800
> From: techtransfer at sbcglobal.net
> Subject: Page Numbering Problem
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> FrameMaker 7.0 (there are still some of us)
> Windows XP Pro
> 
> What am is doing wrong or what do I need to do? The problem I am having is 
> that FM now adds a blank page no matter what settings I use and I can't 
> figure out why. The only change from the previous version is that the chapter 
> now has two pages instead of one, but FM insists on adding a third page. I 
> compared this version's settings with the previous version. They are the 
> same. I also compared the settings for the upstream and downstream chapters. 
> They are also the same. I've also compared the books' settings -- Ditto. The 
> book settings are as follows:
> 
> Under Format/Page Layout/Pagination
> - Double Sided (I have left and right master pages)
> - Left Side (the chapter should begin on the left page)
> - Delete Empty Pages
> 
> Under Format/Document/Numbering/Page
> - Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book
> 
> This chapter should be pages 18-19. When I renumber the book, Frame adds a 
> blank page 20 and changes the Pagination to "Make Page Count Odd."
> 
> The settings are the identical for the chapter. I also checked the upstream 
> and downstream chapters. They are set up the same way.
> 
> Any thoughts? (I am nearly to my wit's end with this problem.)
> 
> Howard
> 
> Technology Transfer, Inc.
> "Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
> 933 North 18th Street
> Manitowoc WI 54220
> Office: 920-682-1528
> Cell: 920-629-1782
> 920-629-0080
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Page Numbering Problem

[Combs, Richard]

Howard Rauch wrote: 

> Under Format/Page Layout/Pagination
> - Double Sided (I have?left and right master pages)
> - Left Side (the chapter should begin on the left page)
> - Delete Empty Pages
> 
> Under Format/Document/Numbering/Page
> - Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book
> 
> This chapter should be pages 18-19. When I renumber the book, Frame adds a
> blank page 20 and changes the Pagination to "Make Page Count Odd."
> 
> The settings are the identical for the chapter. I also checked the upstream
> and downstream chapters. They are set up the same way.

As Fred said, be sure to set the pagination in the book window (selecting all 
the files that should have the same settings), not in each file. But the first 
file doesn't just "presumably start on a right page, " it _must_. (Forgive the 
pedantry, Fred. :-) ) So some file before the first chapter has to have an odd 
number of pages. 

Fred's suggestion of using Next Available and Delete Empty pages makes sense if 
you don't care which side a chapter starts on, but since you say that not only 
this chapter, but the upstream and downstream ones have 1st Page Side set to 
Left, I'm assuming you want all chapters to start on the left side.  

For the chapter files, set Before Saving & Printing to Make Page Count Even. If 
all the chapters have 1st Page Side set to Left, setting it to Delete Empty 
Pages should give you the same result -- FM will still insert an empty page 
when necessary to start the next chapter on a left page. But making it explicit 
might help reveal the problem.

If you set Before Saving & Printing to Make Page Count Even, then updating the 
book should make the problem chapter either two pages or four. If it's four 
(18-21), then something is preventing FM from deleting the "empty" page 20, so 
it adds page 21 to make the count even. The only two things I can think of that 
will do that are content that you can't see or a custom master page.

You could have empty paragraphs at the end, as Huntley suggested (you should 
routinely work with View > Text Symbols turned on). But if that's the case, 
page 20 should be there even before you update the book. I'm getting ahead of 
myself -- I'm assuming there's a text frame on page 20 (you should have View > 
Borders turned on, too).

When you update the book, do you have Apply Master Pages selected? Check your 
reference pages for a master page mapping table. On page 20, go to Format > 
Page Layout > Master Page Usage. Is it set to a Custom master page? 

Zoom out on page 20, click in the margin, and press Ctrl+A (Edit > Select All 
On Page). If your page layout consists of the standard single text frame per 
page, that should be the only thing selected (header/footer and other master 
page "background" elements aren't part of the body page). Maybe there's 
something else on the page? 

That's all I can think of right now, and ought to give you some things to 
explore. HTH!


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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