date:20110203

Re: Shortcut for Repeat last?

2011-02-03 Thread Shmuel Wolfson


You don't have to upgrade for that. Even 7.2 had these shortcuts.

Repeat last pgf tag: Esc j j
Repeat last char tag: Esc c c

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133


On 2/2/2011 8:43 PM, Alison Craig wrote:

It's almost worth the upgrade cost just for that feature.

The one thing I've hated in the switch to FM9 (from Word) was that there was no 
F4 (repeat last) equivalent. It's particularly frustrating whenever I move 
another Word doc to Frame (I never import, I always save the DOC to text and 
reformat from scratch in FM - there are too many issues in large Word docs for 
me to trust a straight import. I'd much rather *know* I've started with a clean 
slate).

One keystroke beats three any day.

Alison

Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com


-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 6:36 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Shortcut for Repeat last?

  FM10's now got an F6 repeat last command (and icon on the toolbar)

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 8:39 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Shortcut for Repeat last?

On 02/02/2011 4:05 AM, Helen Borrie wrote:

Using FM 8 unstructured - is there any shortcut (equivalent to Ctrl-Y
in Word) whereby one can repeat the last tagging instruction?

For example, I'm working on merging at lot of documents from various
sources that I import into a templated document with all paras in
Body format.  I'd like to be able to go through and tag all the Head
1 first, then all the Head 2...and so on.

Thanks, Helen



Repeat last pgf tag: Esc j j
Repeat last char tag: Esc c c

best

Stuart Rogers
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RE: Formatting of multi-marker indexes...

2011-02-03 Thread Lief Erickson

IndexIX -- $autorange$pagenum
IndexTableIX -- $autorange$pagenumt
IndexFigureIX -- $autorange$pagenumff

All of them have a Hyperlink character tag assigned to them so the page numbers 
are blue. Notice the t and ff and the end of the Table and Figure entries. 
This is automatically added after the page numbers. 

But, I understand that you want the text entry itself to have formatting. I'm 
not sure how to help there, but the above way is how I use a multi-marker index 
(which, by the way, ePublisher does not support).

-Lief 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 4:13 PM
To: Combs, Richard
Cc: 'Framers'
Subject: Re: Formatting of multi-marker indexes...

Hi Richard...

Thanks for the very detailed explanation. I should have provided a bit 
more info on this. I do understand how indexes are formatted and 
generated, but what I was hoping for was that there was some way to 
assign unique IX reference flows to each marker type and in some way 
have this assign different LevelNIX para tags .. I assumed this wasn't 
possible, and it sounds like this is the case. I was hoping to avoid 
manually assigning character formatting to each entry.

Frank's semi-automated approach to adding the character formatting is 
interesting, but it would be great if this could be done based on marker 
type to reference page mapping.

Cheers,

...scott


Combs, Richard wrote:
 Scott Prentice wrote:
  
   
 If you create an index from multiple marker types, is there a way to
 apply different formatting to the resulting entries from each marker
 type? Like, is there a way to assign one reference page to be the
 formatting for the Index markers and another reference page to be the
 formatting for the OtherIndex markers?

 I'm thinking the answer is no .. but wanted to check with y'all.
 

 It's not clear what you want to format. But in any case, you don't assign 
 reference pages to anything. If you create an index, a text box containing 
 the IX flow is created on a reference page (which by default is also named 
 IX). The contents of the IX flow specify how the index is generated, ordered, 
 and formatted. 

 The IndexIX paragraph, which typically contains $pagenum, tells FM to 
 include page-number references to markers of type Index. You can include 
 another marker type in your index by creating a pgf like IndexIX, but named 
 after the second marker type, e.g., OtherIndexIX. It can be formatted 
 differently -- for instance, you could make it bold or italic -- but that 
 formatting will be applied only to the page number. 

 The Level1IX, Level2IX, etc., pgf formats are used for the index entries at 
 those levels. So every 1st-level index entry will have the same pgf format, 
 whether it's from an Index marker or an OtherIndex marker. 

 If you want the text for an OtherIndex entry formatted differently, the 
 solution is simple. But you have to do it in the marker text when you create 
 the OtherIndex marker. You can include character formats, enclosed in angle 
 brackets, in the marker text. For instance, let's say you have a char format 
 named Other that formats the text the way you want the OtherIndex entries to 
 look. To create an entry for configuration, put this in the marker text: 

   OtherconfigurationDefault Para Font

 These things, and a lot more that you can do, are reasonably well explained 
 in the help/manual under Tables of Contents and Indexes. 

 HTH!

 Richard G. Combs
 Senior Technical Writer
 Polycom, Inc.
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Frame 10 trial install: Fail

2011-02-03 Thread mkopen

Dear all,

Just tried to install the Frame X trial download. The setup program starts off
briskly, but after mulling over the case for a while, it decides to ask me for
a DVD. Unsurprisingly, I ain't got any. 
What am I doing wrong? Pointers would be appreciated. (Perhaps it's trying to
check on the DVD drive that's absent from ny notebook ...)

Cheers,
Mike

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Windows 7 - Snap

2011-02-03 Thread mkopen

Dear all,
Windows 7 has this fairly useful windows sizing capability, 'Snap' in
Windowese. AFAIK it works with Acrobat 9, Frame 8 and earlier; none of the
programs that are clad in the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI, will
allow that much usefulness, including Frame 9. Does anybody know of a secret
switch to turn this back on? (BTW, I preferred the Ctrl-click option for
selecting windows for side-by-side display in Win 2K to Vista, but that's now
gone from Win 7). And what about Frame X and Acrobat 10, which I don't have
installed yet. Have they come to their senses?

Cheers,
Mike

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FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

2011-02-03 Thread Stuart Rogers


On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote:

 the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI

rant

Bang on, Mike.  I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was 
recently introduced as FM's product manager.  The low-contrast, 
monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE.  It GETS 
IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS.


There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in 
programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of 
colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours 
and contrasts in the GUI.  But FM is NOT a graphics design program.  The 
precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what 
it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive.


Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the imperative that 
Adobe products must all look the same to protect the brand, remember 
that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, Any customer can have a car 
painted any color that he wants so long as it is black has been 
discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time.


I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic 
designers (and marketing branders) who have obviously had overwhelming 
influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show 
them the door.  Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY 
experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the 
artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted.


The world (of technical writing) would be a better place.

/rant

Thanks,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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RE: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

2011-02-03 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Totally, TOTALLY agreed!

I live with it, but detest it. :(

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:57 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; kve...@adobe.com
Subject: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote:

  the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI

rant

Bang on, Mike.  I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was 
recently introduced as FM's product manager.  The low-contrast, monochrome GUI 
in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE.  It GETS IN THE WAY. It 
PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS.

There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in programs like 
Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of colours in the 
working document could be adversely influenced by colours and contrasts in the 
GUI.  But FM is NOT a graphics design program.  The precaution of eliminating 
colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what it is, is misplaced, 
unjustified, and highly counterproductive.

Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the imperative that Adobe 
products must all look the same to protect the brand, remember that Henry 
Ford's user-defying mantra, Any customer can have a car painted any color that 
he wants so long as it is black has been discredited as a marketing strategy 
for an awfully long time.

I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic designers (and 
marketing branders) who have obviously had overwhelming influence on this 
GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show them the door.  Then get 
some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY experts on board and set them to 
undoing the damage that the artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted.

The world (of technical writing) would be a better place.

/rant

Thanks,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
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RE: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

2011-02-03 Thread Pinkham, Jim

I fear I have some artsy/marketsy leanings myself, but I quite agree
that FM -- and Illustrator, for that matter -- would be better off
without the gray. 

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem
Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:04 PM
To: Stuart Rogers; framers@lists.frameusers.com; kve...@adobe.com
Subject: RE: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

Totally, TOTALLY agreed!

I live with it, but detest it. :(

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:57 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; kve...@adobe.com
Subject: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote:

  the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI

rant

Bang on, Mike.  I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was
recently introduced as FM's product manager.  The low-contrast,
monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE.  It GETS
IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS.

There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in
programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of
colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours
and contrasts in the GUI.  But FM is NOT a graphics design program.  The
precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what
it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive.

Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the imperative that
Adobe products must all look the same to protect the brand, remember
that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, Any customer can have a car
painted any color that he wants so long as it is black has been
discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time.

I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic
designers (and marketing branders) who have obviously had overwhelming
influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show
them the door.  Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY
experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the
artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted.

The world (of technical writing) would be a better place.

/rant

Thanks,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
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RE: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

2011-02-03 Thread Frank Stearns


On Thu, 3 Feb 2011, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:


Totally, TOTALLY agreed!

I live with it, but detest it. :(



I agree as well; but these days it's easy to get seduced -- it's one 
downside of 16 million+ color, 1920x1280 displays. Another downside 
includes the well-intentioned GUI designers and marketeers who have 
never lived the task at hand. They might think they understand the 
task from their outside view, but they've never actually *worked* the 
task from the inside to any depth of time or experience.


I was doing some design work on another SW product (non-Frame related 
database product, sorry!) and was thinking, h, this looks 
'nice,' and I appreciated the way themes and color schemes could 
be managed during development.


But once past initial graphical design phase and the more I started 
working with actual data in this environment, the more I started to 
dislike the graphical component because somehow, the presentation of 
data was losing something.


I have since chucked most of the pretty and cool in favor of data 
intelligibility.


To paraphrase Stuart, the GUI should fit the application and content; 
it should never, ever distract from the task at hand.


YMMV.

Frank

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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:57 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; kve...@adobe.com
Subject: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote:

 the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI

rant

Bang on, Mike.  I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was 
recently introduced as FM's product manager.  The low-contrast, monochrome GUI 
in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE.  It GETS IN THE WAY. It 
PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS.

There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in programs like 
Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of colours in the 
working document could be adversely influenced by colours and contrasts in the 
GUI.  But FM is NOT a graphics design program.  The precaution of eliminating 
colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what it is, is misplaced, 
unjustified, and highly counterproductive.

Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the imperative that Adobe products must all look 
the same to protect the brand, remember that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, Any customer 
can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black has been discredited as a 
marketing strategy for an awfully long time.

I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic designers (and marketing 
branders) who have obviously had overwhelming influence on this GUI, thank 
them for their efforts, and politely show them the door.  Then get some USER INTERACTION 
experts and USABILITY experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the 
artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted.

The world (of technical writing) would be a better place.

/rant

Thanks,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
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RE: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

2011-02-03 Thread Combs, Richard

Stuart Rogers wrote:
 
 Bang on, Mike.  I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was
 recently introduced as FM's product manager.  The low-contrast,
 monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE.  It GETS
 IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS.

Reposting a message I sent to the list last March: 

-
Check out Klaus Daube's Enhanced Toolbar for FM9 
(http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker55.html). It's free, but requires the $25 
MicroType ToolbarPlus Express (http://www.microtype.com/ToolbarPlus.html), 
which I highly recommend. 

I'm still using FM7.2 for production work and haven't had a chance to try 
Klaus's Enhanced Toolbar for FM9, but it looks like it will help -- at least, 
it restores colors to the icons, which strikes me as a big improvement.
-


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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RE: Windows 7 - Snap

2011-02-03 Thread John Newman

Snap works for me. I haven't tried all the included applications, but it worked
on both the applications from TCS3 and Design Premium CS5.

Of course, YMMV.

-- John N.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of mkopen
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:05 AM
To: 
Subject: Windows 7 - Snap

Dear all,
Windows 7 has this fairly useful windows sizing capability, 'Snap' in Windowese.
AFAIK it works with Acrobat 9, Frame 8 and earlier; none of the programs that
are clad in the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI, will allow that much
usefulness, including Frame 9. Does anybody know of a secret switch to turn this
back on? (BTW, I preferred the Ctrl-click option for selecting windows for
side-by-side display in Win 2K to Vista, but that's now gone from Win 7). And
what about Frame X and Acrobat 10, which I don't have installed yet. Have they
come to their senses?

Cheers,
Mike

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RE: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

2011-02-03 Thread Lou Martindale

I agree, I agree, I agree with everyone's comments. When I upgraded to Frame
9 from 7 (I think) I was so disappointed in the gray color scheme and it was
so hard from my eyes to read. I even asked this forum if anyone knew a way
to change it. Now after using 9 for a while, my second complaint is the
small menu bar. I drag windows around between multiple monitors and if I am
not real careful in placement of the cursor it will open a menu, not let me
grab, drag and drop. It's the only program I have problems with so I know
it's not user error.


Lou Martindale 
Technical Writer/Web Master/Marketing Design 
PdMA Corporation - www.pdma.com 
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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:57 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; kve...@adobe.com
Subject: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote:

  the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI

rant

Bang on, Mike.  I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was 
recently introduced as FM's product manager.  The low-contrast, 
monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE.  It GETS 
IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS.

There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in 
programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of 
colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours 
and contrasts in the GUI.  But FM is NOT a graphics design program.  The 
precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what 
it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive.

Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the imperative that 
Adobe products must all look the same to protect the brand, remember 
that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, Any customer can have a car 
painted any color that he wants so long as it is black has been 
discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time.

I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic 
designers (and marketing branders) who have obviously had overwhelming 
influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show 
them the door.  Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY 
experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the 
artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted.

The world (of technical writing) would be a better place.

/rant

Thanks,

-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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Re: FM grey GUI

2011-02-03 Thread Klaus Daube

On 3 Feb 2011 at 10:57, Stuart Rogers wrote:

   the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI
 
 rant
 
 Bang on, Mike.  I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was
 recently introduced as FM's product manager.  The low-contrast, monochrome
 GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE.  It GETS IN THE WAY.
 It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS.
 
 ...

I was so disappointed from this Stalin gothic that I have invested much time:
See http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker55.html

BTW: same effort in preparation for FM-10; and i am trying to find out what is 
necessary in Windows-7 
(probaly switch off UAC to be able to install the enhanced tool bar).

Klaus

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RE: Customer-friendly word for landline

2011-02-03 Thread Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB

Desk Phone?

-Original Message-
From: techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af@techwr-l.com 
[mailto:techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af@techwr-l.com] On 
Behalf Of John Posada
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:24 PM
To: List,Â Techwriter
Subject: Customer-friendly word for landline

I'm putting together a se-Instead glossary of terms to make our
customent facing support content more accessible.

We use the term landline phone differenciate from mobile phone and I
don't like landline.

My target is 6th grade understanding. Anyone have any suggestions for
inplace of landline?

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Re: Shortcut for Repeat last?

2011-02-03 Thread Klaus Daube

On 2 Feb 2011 at 10:43, Alison Craig wrote:

 The one thing I've hated in the switch to FM9 (from Word) was that there
 was no F4 (repeat last) equivalent. It's particularly frustrating whenever
 I move another Word doc to Frame (I never import, I always save the DOC to
 text and reformat from scratch in FM - there are too many issues in large
 Word docs for me to trust a straight import. I'd much rather *know* I've
 started with a clean slate). 

With Shlomo Perets' Enhanced Tool Bars we have F4 and F5 since FM-5.5
See also FM8: http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker57.html
 FM9: http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker55.html

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Re: Customer-friendly word for landline

2011-02-03 Thread Alan T Litchfield


Telephone?

What's wrong with landline?

Alan

On 4/02/2011, at 10:25 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ 
ENGLTB wrote:



Desk Phone?

-Original Message-
From: techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af@techwr-l.com [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af@techwr-l.com 
] On Behalf Of John Posada

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:24 PM
To: List,Â Techwriter
Subject: Customer-friendly word for landline

I'm putting together a se-Instead glossary of terms to make our
customent facing support content more accessible.

We use the term landline phone differenciate from mobile phone and I
don't like landline.

My target is 6th grade understanding. Anyone have any suggestions for
inplace of landline?

--


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Re: Customer-friendly word for landline

2011-02-03 Thread Karen Zorn


non-mobile

On 2/3/2011 2:25 PM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB wrote:

Desk Phone?

-Original Message-
From: techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af@techwr-l.com 
[mailto:techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af@techwr-l.com] On 
Behalf Of John Posada
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:24 PM
To: List,Â Techwriter
Subject: Customer-friendly word for landline

I'm putting together a se-Instead glossary of terms to make our
customent facing support content more accessible.

We use the term landline phone differenciate from mobile phone and I
don't like landline.

My target is 6th grade understanding. Anyone have any suggestions for
inplace of landline?


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RE: Customer-friendly word for landline

2011-02-03 Thread Alison Craig

That was my reaction. 

Like it or not, landline is pretty much the standard term.

Alison

Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
 
 

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:59 PM
To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Customer-friendly word for landline

Telephone?

What's wrong with landline?

Alan

On 4/02/2011, at 10:25 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ 
ENGLTB wrote:

 Desk Phone?

 -Original Message-
 From: techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af@techwr-l.com 
 [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af@techwr-l.com 
 ] On Behalf Of John Posada
 Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:24 PM
 To: List,Â Techwriter
 Subject: Customer-friendly word for landline

 I'm putting together a se-Instead glossary of terms to make our
 customent facing support content more accessible.

 We use the term landline phone differenciate from mobile phone and I
 don't like landline.

 My target is 6th grade understanding. Anyone have any suggestions for
 inplace of landline?

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Re: Customer-friendly word for landline

2011-02-03 Thread John Posada

But I don't have a Desk Phone. My phone is on the kitchen counter.

:-)

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC
WR-ALC/ENGLTB darren.butler@robins.af.mil wrote:
 Desk Phone?

 -Original Message-
 From: techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af@techwr-l.com 
 [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af@techwr-l.com] On 
 Behalf Of John Posada
 Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:24 PM
 To: List,Â Techwriter
 Subject: Customer-friendly word for landline

 I'm putting together a se-Instead glossary of terms to make our
 customent facing support content more accessible.

 We use the term landline phone differenciate from mobile phone and I
 don't like landline.

 My target is 6th grade understanding. Anyone have any suggestions for
 inplace of landline?

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 http://jposada.zenfolio.com/
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Re: Customer-friendly word for landline

2011-02-03 Thread John Posada

Maybe nothing, just exploring alternative...look like there really
aren't any...thanks anyway

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Alan T Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz wrote:
 Telephone?

 What's wrong with landline?

 Alan


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Re: Customer-friendly word for landline

2011-02-03 Thread Gary Bankston

Not this phone, that other one, the one you can't take with you.

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.comwrote:

 That was my reaction.

 Like it or not, landline is pretty much the standard term.

 Alison

 Alison Craig, Technical Writer
 Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
 Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
 E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com



 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield
 Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:59 PM
 To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Customer-friendly word for landline

 Telephone?

 What's wrong with landline?

 Alan

 On 4/02/2011, at 10:25 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/
 ENGLTB wrote:

  Desk Phone?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af@techwr-l.com[mailto:
 techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr techwr-l-bounces%2Bdarren.butler.ctr=
 robins.af@techwr-l.com
  ] On Behalf Of John Posada
  Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:24 PM
  To: List,Â Techwriter
  Subject: Customer-friendly word for landline
 
  I'm putting together a se-Instead glossary of terms to make our
  customent facing support content more accessible.
 
  We use the term landline phone differenciate from mobile phone and I
  don't like landline.
 
  My target is 6th grade understanding. Anyone have any suggestions for
  inplace of landline?
 
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RE: Customer-friendly word for landline

2011-02-03 Thread Writer

I looked up landline in Wikipedia (s...don't nag). One alternative was 
fixed-line. However, I liked POTS - Plain Old Telephone Service. =D Not 
exactly accurate, but funny all the same.

(I also learned a new word: retronym).

Nadine

--- On Thu, 2/3/11, Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote:

 From: Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
 Subject: RE: Customer-friendly word for landline
 To: Alan T Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF 
 AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB darren.butler@robins.af.mil
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Date: Thursday, February 3, 2011, 5:13 PM
 That was my reaction. 
 
 Like it or not, landline is pretty much the standard term.
 
 Alison
 
 Alison Craig, Technical Writer
 Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
 Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
 E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
  
  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
 On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield
 Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:59 PM
 To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Customer-friendly word for landline
 
 Telephone?
 
 What's wrong with landline?
 
 Alan
 
 On 4/02/2011, at 10:25 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC
 WR-ALC/ 
 ENGLTB wrote:
 
  Desk Phone?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af@techwr-l.com
 [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af@techwr-l.com
 
  ] On Behalf Of John Posada
  Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:24 PM
  To: List,Â Techwriter
  Subject: Customer-friendly word for landline
 
  I'm putting together a se-Instead glossary of terms
 to make our
  customent facing support content more accessible.
 
  We use the term landline phone differenciate from
 mobile phone and I
  don't like landline.
 
  My target is 6th grade understanding. Anyone have any
 suggestions for
  inplace of landline?
 
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Re: Sharepoint links in a Frame doc

2011-02-03 Thread quills


Carol,

You are correct. I insert SharePoint hyperlinks in Word, so you should 
be able to do the exact same thing in FrameMaker.


Here's how you do it.

1. In your internet browser locate the file on SharePoint.
2. Open the Properties for the file (not the icon, you have to use the 
file link).


3. Select ALL of the Address: line from the Properties dialog box. Note 
that the address will likely be more than the displayed two lines, so 
drag down and through until you get all of it.


4. Copy the address and then paste it into your FrameMaker link.

 On 1/27/11 3:45 PM, Carol J. Elkins wrote:

Ah, see that's why I asked. I don't know anything about Sharepoint, so I
didn't know those were required. If a person is already logged in, do
they still need to provide that information?

My client planned to make the links via Acrobat, so I suspect that if he
can link from Acrobat, I can link from Framemaker, providing I have a
full path statement. Is that what you do?

Carol

At 01:46 PM 1/27/2011, you wrote:

How would you include the access credentials (login and password) in
the URL?

Our Sharepoint installation requires someone to be defined in SP as
authorized. Would that be an issue?

 The same client wanting the watermark wants his PDF documents to
contain
 Sharepoint links to other docs (tiffs, Word docs, etc.) I told him
that I
 THOUGHT I could create hypertext links in Frame (to avoid
post-production
 re-work on the PDF) as long as I had the full path statement to the
target
 document. I don't have any experience with Sharepoint. Do you know
if my
 linking strategy will work or if there is a better way to do it?
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Custom cell spacing

2011-02-03 Thread Pat Christenson


Hi -

I'm running FrameMaker 9.0p255 on Windows XP.

in the Paragraph Designer, Table Cell Properties, setting a custom  
Bottom margin (either From Table Format, Plus or Custom) does  
nothing. It shows the new value but it has no effect on the paragraph  
in the cell. Top, Left and Right work fine.


This has worked for me before in previous versions. Is this bug in 9  
or am I just missing something?


Thanks.

Pat Christenson
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Re: Customer-friendly word for landline

2011-02-03 Thread Gary Bankston

Now this is why we all belong to this list. We all learned something new
today.

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Writer generic...@yahoo.ca wrote:

 I looked up landline in Wikipedia (s...don't nag). One alternative
 was fixed-line. However, I liked POTS - Plain Old Telephone Service. =D
 Not exactly accurate, but funny all the same.

 (I also learned a new word: retronym).

 Nadine

 --- On Thu, 2/3/11, Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote:

  From: Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
  Subject: RE: Customer-friendly word for landline
  To: Alan T Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz, Butler, Darren J CTR
 USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB darren.butler@robins.af.mil
  Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Date: Thursday, February 3, 2011, 5:13 PM
   That was my reaction.
 
  Like it or not, landline is pretty much the standard term.
 
  Alison
 
  Alison Craig, Technical Writer
  Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
  Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
  E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
  [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
  On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield
  Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:59 PM
  To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB
  Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: Re: Customer-friendly word for landline
 
  Telephone?
 
  What's wrong with landline?
 
  Alan
 
  On 4/02/2011, at 10:25 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC
  WR-ALC/
  ENGLTB wrote:
 
   Desk Phone?
  
   -Original Message-
   From: techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af@techwr-l.com
  [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctrtechwr-l-bounces%2Bdarren.butler.ctr
 =robins.af@techwr-l.com
 
   ] On Behalf Of John Posada
   Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:24 PM
   To: List,Â Techwriter
   Subject: Customer-friendly word for landline
  
   I'm putting together a se-Instead glossary of terms
  to make our
   customent facing support content more accessible.
  
   We use the term landline phone differenciate from
  mobile phone and I
   don't like landline.
  
   My target is 6th grade understanding. Anyone have any
  suggestions for
   inplace of landline?
  
   --
 
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Re: Customer-friendly word for landline

2011-02-03 Thread Writer

I always say, You learn something new every day. Two things, if you're not 
careful.

Nadine

--- On Thu, 2/3/11, Gary Bankston gbanks6...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Gary Bankston gbanks6...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: Customer-friendly word for landline
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Date: Thursday, February 3, 2011, 6:42 PM
 Now this is why we all belong to this
 list. We all learned something new
 today.

 On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Writer generic...@yahoo.ca
 wrote:

  I looked up landline in Wikipedia (s...don't
 nag). One alternative
  was fixed-line. However, I liked POTS - Plain Old
 Telephone Service. =D
  Not exactly accurate, but funny all the same.

  (I also learned a new word: retronym).

  Nadine

  --- On Thu, 2/3/11, Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
 wrote:

   From: Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
   Subject: RE: Customer-friendly word for
 landline
   To: Alan T Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz,
 Butler, Darren J CTR
  USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB darren.butler@robins.af.mil
   Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 framers@lists.frameusers.com
   Date: Thursday, February 3, 2011, 5:13 PM
    That was my reaction.

   Like it or not, landline is pretty much the
 standard term.

   Alison

   Alison Craig, Technical Writer
   Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
   Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
   E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com

   -Original Message-
   From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
   [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
   On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield
   Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:59 PM
   To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB
   Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
   Subject: Re: Customer-friendly word for
 landline

   Telephone?

   What's wrong with landline?

   Alan

   On 4/02/2011, at 10:25 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR
 USAF AFMC
   WR-ALC/
   ENGLTB wrote:

Desk Phone?

-Original Message-
From: techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af@techwr-l.com

 [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctrtechwr-l-bounces%2Bdarren.butler.ctr
  =robins.af@techwr-l.com

] On Behalf Of John Posada
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:24 PM
To: List,Â Techwriter
Subject: Customer-friendly word for
 landline

I'm putting together a se-Instead glossary
 of terms
   to make our
customent facing support content more
 accessible.

We use the term landline phone differenciate
 from
   mobile phone and I
don't like landline.

My target is 6th grade understanding. Anyone
 have any
   suggestions for
inplace of landline?

--

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RE: Customer-friendly word for landline

2011-02-03 Thread Ann Zdunczyk

I worked for Western Electric/ATT/Lucent as a technical writer and I am
very familiar with POTS!!! It is what we called them.

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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 5:55 PM
To: Alan T Litchfield; Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTBButler; Alison
Craig
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Customer-friendly word for landline

I looked up landline in Wikipedia (s...don't nag). One alternative was
fixed-line. However, I liked POTS - Plain Old Telephone Service. =D Not
exactly accurate, but funny all the same.

(I also learned a new word: retronym).

Nadine

--- On Thu, 2/3/11, Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote:

 From: Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
 Subject: RE: Customer-friendly word for landline
 To: Alan T Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF
AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB darren.butler@robins.af.mil
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Date: Thursday, February 3, 2011, 5:13 PM
 That was my reaction. 
 
 Like it or not, landline is pretty much the standard term.
 
 Alison
 
 Alison Craig, Technical Writer
 Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
 Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
 E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
  
  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
 On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield
 Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:59 PM
 To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Customer-friendly word for landline
 
 Telephone?
 
 What's wrong with landline?
 
 Alan
 
 On 4/02/2011, at 10:25 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC
 WR-ALC/ 
 ENGLTB wrote:
 
  Desk Phone?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af@techwr-l.com
 [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af@techwr-l.com
 
  ] On Behalf Of John Posada
  Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:24 PM
  To: List,Â Techwriter
  Subject: Customer-friendly word for landline
 
  I'm putting together a se-Instead glossary of terms
 to make our
  customent facing support content more accessible.
 
  We use the term landline phone differenciate from
 mobile phone and I
  don't like landline.
 
  My target is 6th grade understanding. Anyone have any
 suggestions for
  inplace of landline?
 
  -- 
 
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RE: Customer-friendly word for landline

2011-02-03 Thread Helen Borrie

At 01:38 PM 4/02/2011, Ann Zdunczyk wrote:
I worked for Western Electric/ATT/Lucent as a technical writer and I am
very familiar with POTS!!! It is what we called them.

That label is on one of the sockets on my Belkin ADSL router, which supports 
VOIP.  I had to look it up to discover that it meant for the landline phone. 
I don't think it's close to being an everyday term yet, though. ;-) 

BTW, non-mobile doesn't cover all landline phones, either.  Our landline 
phone is a RF transmitter with two cordless handsets!  I always stow one of the 
handsets in my jeans pocket when I'm outside weeding the garden!  (Mobile 
phone, a.k.a. cellphone, in the other pocket.)

Helen

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RE: Customer-friendly word for landline

2011-02-03 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

We mostly use wireless and wireline to distinguish the two (my company is 
in the wireless data business for cellular).

On fewer occasions, simply landline and POTS.

Depends on the audience. :)

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Posada
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 2:03 PM
To: Alan T Litchfield
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB
Subject: Re: Customer-friendly word for landline

Maybe nothing, just exploring alternative...look like there really aren't 
any...thanks anyway

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Alan T Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz wrote:
 Telephone?

 What's wrong with landline?

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Shortcut for "Repeat last"?

2011-02-03 Thread Helen Borrie

At 02:39 AM 3/02/2011, Stuart Rogers wrote:
>On 02/02/2011 4:05 AM, Helen Borrie wrote:
>>Using FM 8 unstructured - is there any shortcut (equivalent to Ctrl-Y
>>in Word) whereby one can repeat the last tagging instruction?
>
>Repeat last pgf tag: Esc j j
>Repeat last char tag: Esc c c

Yeee!!  thank you very much!

Helen

Shortcut for "Repeat last"?

2011-02-03 Thread Helen Borrie

At 01:25 AM 3/02/2011, Jerilynne \"MamaRed\" Knight wrote:

>Boy, that is one Word command I would love to have too...I'm not using 8, so I 
>don't know if there is one. 

I tried esc j j amd esc c c as suggested by Stuart and it does exactly the job 
I want.

>However, one possibility of speeding up the process: are there any unique 
>things identifying what equals a H1, H2, etc? Number of spaces, specific 
>characters, italic, bold?
>
>If so, what I do in those cases is a search and replace function. If you're a 
>super fancy person, you could write a script. If not, it is a serialized 
>function. 

Thanks for the thoughts on that, although in this instance, it's not what I 
want to do.  I actually *want* the source documents to come into the template 
without structure as they are from multiple sources with multiple ad hoc 
structures.  The template they are coming into is "structured unstructured" if 
you get my drift.  Although the content is for a monolithic book, I have 
designed the template to be able to convert the content to unstructured and 
round-trip it in future.

This project started as a structured DITA project and has wriggled its way back 
to unstructured once I lost the fight to find a way to do it structured and get 
the right output. With hindsight, I lost a lot (too much!) time by trying to 
make this book my first major DITA project.  Doesn't mean I have abandoned 
DITA/structured FM, by any means, just that it really does not work for this 
monolithic book!  I'm more than a year past deadline now. :-( 

So much for "I say".  I hope you won't mind if I post back your further 
comments to the list, as I think they are worth sharing

Jerilynne \"MamaRed\" Knight wrote:

>The other thing I did for a 6500 + page conversion from WordPerfect to Frame 
>is, oddly enough, run it through Word first. At the time, Word had a native 
>macro function and Frame didn't (I don't know if that has changed). So I 
>created a Word template with styles that matched those in Frame and wrote a 
>series of macros that applied tags, inserted codes for variables, etc. 
>
>Once it was written, it was very fast to bring in the file, click the macro 
>shortcut and poof, into Frame!
>
>I don't know how much converting you're doing or how frequently, so I wanted 
>to share those approaches in case they might give you some ideas!
>
>Many blessings
>Jerilynne

Thanks again to Jerilynne and others for the tips.
Cheers,
Helen

Shortcut for "Repeat last"?

2011-02-03 Thread Helen Borrie

At 08:04 AM 3/02/2011, Helen Borrie wrote:
>The template they are coming into is "structured unstructured" if you get my 
>drift.  Although the content is for a monolithic book, I have designed the 
>template to be able to convert the content to unstructured and round-trip it 
>in future.

She meant to write:
"Although the content is for a monolithic book, I have designed the template to 
be able to convert the content to ***structured*** and round-trip it in future.

(So many words, so little time!)

Cheers,
Helen

FM9 developer manual

2011-02-03 Thread Garry Wilson

Hi Frame experts
I am looking for the best technical manual for developing application in 
structured FM9 to purchase. Something that details all the bits that Adobe seem 
to have included, but never document in product documentation.

Hope you can help.

thanks
Garry



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Shortcut for "Repeat last"?

2011-02-03 Thread Shmuel Wolfson

You don't have to upgrade for that. Even 7.2 had these shortcuts.

Repeat last pgf tag: Esc j j
Repeat last char tag: Esc c c

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133


On 2/2/2011 8:43 PM, Alison Craig wrote:
> It's almost worth the upgrade cost just for that feature.
>
> The one thing I've hated in the switch to FM9 (from Word) was that there was 
> no F4 (repeat last) equivalent. It's particularly frustrating whenever I move 
> another Word doc to Frame (I never import, I always save the DOC to text and 
> reformat from scratch in FM - there are too many issues in large Word docs 
> for me to trust a straight import. I'd much rather *know* I've started with a 
> clean slate).
>
> One keystroke beats three any day.
>
> Alison
>
> Alison Craig, Technical Writer
> Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
> Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
> E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 6:36 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Shortcut for "Repeat last"?
>
>   FM10's now got an F6 repeat last command (and icon on the toolbar)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 8:39 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Shortcut for "Repeat last"?
>
> On 02/02/2011 4:05 AM, Helen Borrie wrote:
>> Using FM 8 unstructured - is there any shortcut (equivalent to Ctrl-Y
>> in Word) whereby one can repeat the last tagging instruction?
>>
>> For example, I'm working on merging at lot of documents from various
>> sources that I import into a templated document with all paras in
>> Body format.  I'd like to be able to go through and tag all the Head
>> 1 first, then all the Head 2...and so on.
>>
>> Thanks, Helen
>>
>
> Repeat last pgf tag: Esc j j
> Repeat last char tag: Esc c c
>
> best
>
> Stuart Rogers
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Formatting of multi-marker indexes...

2011-02-03 Thread Lief Erickson

IndexIX -- <$autorange><$pagenum>
IndexTableIX -- <$autorange><$pagenum>t
IndexFigureIX -- <$autorange><$pagenum>ff

All of them have a Hyperlink character tag assigned to them so the page numbers 
are blue. Notice the "t" and "ff" and the end of the Table and Figure entries. 
This is automatically added after the page numbers. 

But, I understand that you want the text entry itself to have formatting. I'm 
not sure how to help there, but the above way is how I use a multi-marker index 
(which, by the way, ePublisher does not support).

-Lief 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 4:13 PM
To: Combs, Richard
Cc: 'Framers'
Subject: Re: Formatting of multi-marker indexes...

Hi Richard...

Thanks for the very detailed explanation. I should have provided a bit 
more info on this. I do understand how indexes are formatted and 
generated, but what I was hoping for was that there was some way to 
assign unique IX reference flows to each marker type and in some way 
have this assign different LevelIX para tags .. I assumed this wasn't 
possible, and it sounds like this is the case. I was hoping to avoid 
manually assigning character formatting to each entry.

Frank's semi-automated approach to adding the character formatting is 
interesting, but it would be great if this could be done based on marker 
type to reference page mapping.

Cheers,

...scott

Combs, Richard wrote:
> Scott Prentice wrote:
>  
>   
>> If you create an index from multiple marker types, is there a way to
>> apply different formatting to the resulting entries from each marker
>> type? Like, is there a way to assign one reference page to be the
>> formatting for the "Index" markers and another reference page to be the
>> formatting for the "OtherIndex" markers?
>>
>> I'm thinking the answer is no .. but wanted to check with y'all.
>> 
>
> It's not clear what you want to format. But in any case, you don't assign 
> reference pages to anything. If you create an index, a text box containing 
> the IX flow is created on a reference page (which by default is also named 
> IX). The contents of the IX flow specify how the index is generated, ordered, 
> and formatted. 
>
> The IndexIX paragraph, which typically contains "<$pagenum>," tells FM to 
> include page-number references to markers of type Index. You can include 
> another marker type in your index by creating a pgf like IndexIX, but named 
> after the second marker type, e.g., OtherIndexIX. It can be formatted 
> differently -- for instance, you could make it bold or italic -- but that 
> formatting will be applied only to the page number. 
>
> The Level1IX, Level2IX, etc., pgf formats are used for the index entries at 
> those levels. So every 1st-level index entry will have the same pgf format, 
> whether it's from an Index marker or an OtherIndex marker. 
>
> If you want the text for an OtherIndex entry formatted differently, the 
> solution is simple. But you have to do it in the marker text when you create 
> the OtherIndex marker. You can include character formats, enclosed in angle 
> brackets, in the marker text. For instance, let's say you have a char format 
> named Other that formats the text the way you want the OtherIndex entries to 
> look. To create an entry for "configuration," put this in the marker text: 
>
>   configuration
>
> These things, and a lot more that you can do, are reasonably well explained 
> in the help/manual under "Tables of Contents and Indexes." 
>
> HTH!
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
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Frame 10 trial install: Fail

2011-02-03 Thread mkopen

Dear all,

Just tried to install the Frame X trial download. The setup program starts off
briskly, but after mulling over the case for a while, it decides to ask me for
a DVD. Unsurprisingly, I ain't got any. 
What am I doing wrong? Pointers would be appreciated. (Perhaps it's trying to
check on the DVD drive that's absent from ny notebook ...)

Cheers,
Mike

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Windows 7 - Snap

2011-02-03 Thread mkopen

Dear all,
Windows 7 has this fairly useful windows sizing capability, 'Snap' in
Windowese. AFAIK it works with Acrobat 9, Frame 8 and earlier; none of the
programs that are clad in the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI, will
allow that much usefulness, including Frame 9. Does anybody know of a secret
switch to turn this back on? (BTW, I preferred the Ctrl-click option for
selecting windows for side-by-side display in Win 2K to Vista, but that's now
gone from Win 7). And what about Frame X and Acrobat 10, which I don't have
installed yet. Have they come to their senses?

Cheers,
Mike

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FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

2011-02-03 Thread Stuart Rogers

On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote:

  the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI



Bang on, Mike.  I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was 
recently introduced as FM's product manager.  The low-contrast, 
monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE.  It GETS 
IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS.

There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in 
programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of 
colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours 
and contrasts in the GUI.  But FM is NOT a graphics design program.  The 
precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what 
it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive.

Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that 
Adobe products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember 
that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car 
painted any color that he wants so long as it is black" has been 
discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time.

I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic 
designers (and marketing "branders") who have obviously had overwhelming 
influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show 
them the door.  Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY 
experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the 
artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted.

The world (of technical writing) would be a better place.



Thanks,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
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http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

2011-02-03 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Totally, TOTALLY agreed!

I live with it, but detest it. :(

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:57 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; kverma at adobe.com
Subject: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote:

  the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI



Bang on, Mike.  I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was 
recently introduced as FM's product manager.  The low-contrast, monochrome GUI 
in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE.  It GETS IN THE WAY. It 
PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS.

There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in programs like 
Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of colours in the 
working document could be adversely influenced by colours and contrasts in the 
GUI.  But FM is NOT a graphics design program.  The precaution of eliminating 
colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what it is, is misplaced, 
unjustified, and highly counterproductive.

Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that Adobe 
products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember that Henry 
Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car painted any color that 
he wants so long as it is black" has been discredited as a marketing strategy 
for an awfully long time.

I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic designers (and 
marketing "branders") who have obviously had overwhelming influence on this 
GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show them the door.  Then get 
some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY experts on board and set them to 
undoing the damage that the artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted.

The world (of technical writing) would be a better place.



Thanks,

--
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
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2011-02-03 Thread Pinkham, Jim

I fear I have some "artsy/marketsy" leanings myself, but I quite agree
that FM -- and Illustrator, for that matter -- would be better off
without the gray. 

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem
Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:04 PM
To: Stuart Rogers; framers at lists.frameusers.com; kverma at adobe.com
Subject: RE: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

Totally, TOTALLY agreed!

I live with it, but detest it. :(

Z

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:57 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; kverma at adobe.com
Subject: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote:

  the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI

Bang on, Mike.  I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was
recently introduced as FM's product manager.  The low-contrast,
monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE.  It GETS
IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS.

There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in
programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of
colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours
and contrasts in the GUI.  But FM is NOT a graphics design program.  The
precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what
it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive.

Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that
Adobe products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember
that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car
painted any color that he wants so long as it is black" has been
discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time.

I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic
designers (and marketing "branders") who have obviously had overwhelming
influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show
them the door.  Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY
experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the
artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted.

The world (of technical writing) would be a better place.

Thanks,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

2011-02-03 Thread Frank Stearns

On Thu, 3 Feb 2011, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:

> Totally, TOTALLY agreed!
>
> I live with it, but detest it. :(


I agree as well; but these days it's easy to get seduced -- it's one 
downside of 16 million+ color, 1920x1280 displays. Another downside 
includes the well-intentioned GUI designers and marketeers who have 
never "lived" the task at hand. They might think they understand the 
task from their outside view, but they've never actually *worked* the 
task from the inside to any depth of time or experience.

I was doing some design work on another SW product (non-Frame related 
database product, sorry!) and was thinking, "h, this looks 
'nice,'" and I appreciated the way "themes" and "color schemes" could 
be managed during development.

But once past initial graphical design phase and the more I started 
working with actual data in this environment, the more I started to 
dislike the graphical component because somehow, the presentation of 
data was losing something.

I have since chucked most of the "pretty" and "cool" in favor of data 
"intelligibility".

To paraphrase Stuart, the GUI should fit the application and content; 
it should never, ever distract from the task at hand.

YMMV.

Frank

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> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:57 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; kverma at adobe.com
> Subject: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]
>
> On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote:
>
>  the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI
>
> 
>
> Bang on, Mike.  I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was 
> recently introduced as FM's product manager.  The low-contrast, monochrome 
> GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE.  It GETS IN THE WAY. It 
> PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS.
>
> There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in programs 
> like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of colours in the 
> working document could be adversely influenced by colours and contrasts in 
> the GUI.  But FM is NOT a graphics design program.  The precaution of 
> eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what it is, is 
> misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive.
>
> Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that Adobe 
> products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember that Henry 
> Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car painted any color 
> that he wants so long as it is black" has been discredited as a marketing 
> strategy for an awfully long time.
>
> I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic designers 
> (and marketing "branders") who have obviously had overwhelming influence on 
> this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show them the door.  
> Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY experts on board and set 
> them to undoing the damage that the artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted.
>
> The world (of technical writing) would be a better place.
>
> 
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Stuart Rogers
> Technical Communicator
> Phoenix Geophysics Limited
> 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
> Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
> +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
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FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

2011-02-03 Thread Combs, Richard

Stuart Rogers wrote:

> Bang on, Mike.  I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was
> recently introduced as FM's product manager.  The low-contrast,
> monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE.  It GETS
> IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS.

Reposting a message I sent to the list last March: 

-
Check out Klaus Daube's Enhanced Toolbar for FM9 
(http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker55.html). It's free, but requires the $25 
MicroType ToolbarPlus Express (http://www.microtype.com/ToolbarPlus.html), 
which I highly recommend. 

I'm still using FM7.2 for production work and haven't had a chance to try 
Klaus's Enhanced Toolbar for FM9, but it looks like it will help -- at least, 
it restores colors to the icons, which strikes me as a big improvement.
-

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Polycom, Inc.
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Windows 7 - Snap

2011-02-03 Thread John Newman

Snap works for me. I haven't tried all the included applications, but it worked
on both the applications from TCS3 and Design Premium CS5.

Of course, YMMV.

-- John N.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of mkopen
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:05 AM
To: 
Subject: Windows 7 - Snap

Dear all,
Windows 7 has this fairly useful windows sizing capability, 'Snap' in Windowese.
AFAIK it works with Acrobat 9, Frame 8 and earlier; none of the programs that
are clad in the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI, will allow that much
usefulness, including Frame 9. Does anybody know of a secret switch to turn this
back on? (BTW, I preferred the Ctrl-click option for selecting windows for
side-by-side display in Win 2K to Vista, but that's now gone from Win 7). And
what about Frame X and Acrobat 10, which I don't have installed yet. Have they
come to their senses?

Cheers,
Mike

--
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FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

2011-02-03 Thread Lou Martindale

I agree, I agree, I agree with everyone's comments. When I upgraded to Frame
9 from 7 (I think) I was so disappointed in the gray color scheme and it was
so hard from my eyes to read. I even asked this forum if anyone knew a way
to change it. Now after using 9 for a while, my second complaint is the
small menu bar. I drag windows around between multiple monitors and if I am
not real careful in placement of the cursor it will open a menu, not let me
grab, drag and drop. It's the only program I have problems with so I know
it's not "user error".


Lou Martindale 
Technical Writer/Web Master/Marketing Design 
PdMA Corporation - www.pdma.com 
lou at pdma.com 

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:57 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; kverma at adobe.com
Subject: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote:

  the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI



Bang on, Mike.  I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was 
recently introduced as FM's product manager.  The low-contrast, 
monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE.  It GETS 
IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS.

There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in 
programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of 
colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours 
and contrasts in the GUI.  But FM is NOT a graphics design program.  The 
precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what 
it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive.

Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that 
Adobe products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember 
that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car 
painted any color that he wants so long as it is black" has been 
discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time.

I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic 
designers (and marketing "branders") who have obviously had overwhelming 
influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show 
them the door.  Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY 
experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the 
artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted.

The world (of technical writing) would be a better place.



Thanks,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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FM grey GUI

2011-02-03 Thread Klaus Daube

On 3 Feb 2011 at 10:57, Stuart Rogers wrote:

>   the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI
> 
> 
> 
> Bang on, Mike.  I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was
> recently introduced as FM's product manager.  The low-contrast, monochrome
> GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE.  It GETS IN THE WAY.
> It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS.
> 
> ...

I was so disappointed from this Stalin gothic that I have invested much time:
See http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker55.html

BTW: same effort in preparation for FM-10; and i am trying to find out what is 
necessary in Windows-7 
(probaly switch off UAC to be able to install the enhanced tool bar).

Klaus

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Customer-friendly word for "landline"

2011-02-03 Thread Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB

Desk Phone?

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I'm putting together a "se-Instead" glossary of terms to make our
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We use the term landline phone differenciate from mobile phone and I
don't like "landline".

My target is 6th grade understanding. Anyone have any suggestions for
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Shortcut for "Repeat last"?

2011-02-03 Thread Klaus Daube

On 2 Feb 2011 at 10:43, Alison Craig wrote:

> The one thing I've hated in the switch to FM9 (from Word) was that there
> was no F4 (repeat last) equivalent. It's particularly frustrating whenever
> I move another Word doc to Frame (I never import, I always save the DOC to
> text and reformat from scratch in FM - there are too many issues in large
> Word docs for me to trust a straight import. I'd much rather *know* I've
> started with a clean slate). 

With Shlomo Perets' Enhanced Tool Bars we have F4 and F5 since FM-5.5
See also FM8: http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker57.html
 FM9: http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker55.html

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Customer-friendly word for "landline"

2011-02-03 Thread Karen Zorn

non-mobile

On 2/3/2011 2:25 PM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB wrote:
> Desk Phone?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af.mil at techwr-l.com 
> [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af.mil at techwr-l.com] On 
> Behalf Of John Posada
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:24 PM
> To: List,? Techwriter
> Subject: Customer-friendly word for "landline"
>
> I'm putting together a "se-Instead" glossary of terms to make our
> customent facing support content more accessible.
>
> We use the term landline phone differenciate from mobile phone and I
> don't like "landline".
>
> My target is 6th grade understanding. Anyone have any suggestions for
> inplace of landline?
>

Customer-friendly word for "landline"

2011-02-03 Thread Alison Craig

That was my reaction. 

Like it or not, landline is pretty much the standard term.

Alison

Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:59 PM
To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Customer-friendly word for "landline"

Telephone?

What's wrong with landline?

Alan

On 4/02/2011, at 10:25 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ 
ENGLTB wrote:

> Desk Phone?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af.mil at techwr-l.com 
> [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af.mil at techwr-l.com 
> ] On Behalf Of John Posada
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:24 PM
> To: List,? Techwriter
> Subject: Customer-friendly word for "landline"
>
> I'm putting together a "se-Instead" glossary of terms to make our
> customent facing support content more accessible.
>
> We use the term landline phone differenciate from mobile phone and I
> don't like "landline".
>
> My target is 6th grade understanding. Anyone have any suggestions for
> inplace of landline?
>
> -- 

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Customer-friendly word for "landline"

2011-02-03 Thread John Posada

"But I don't have a Desk Phone. My phone is on the kitchen counter".

:-)

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC
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> Desk Phone?
>
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> Behalf Of John Posada
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:24 PM
> To: List,? Techwriter
> Subject: Customer-friendly word for "landline"
>
> I'm putting together a "se-Instead" glossary of terms to make our
> customent facing support content more accessible.
>
> We use the term landline phone differenciate from mobile phone and I
> don't like "landline".
>
> My target is 6th grade understanding. Anyone have any suggestions for
> inplace of landline?
>
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Customer-friendly word for "landline"

2011-02-03 Thread John Posada

Maybe nothing, just exploring alternative...look like there really
aren't any...thanks anyway

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Alan T Litchfield  
wrote:
> Telephone?
>
> What's wrong with landline?
>
> Alan


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Customer-friendly word for "landline"

2011-02-03 Thread Gary Bankston

Not this phone, that other one, the one you can't take with you.

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Alison Craig wrote:

> That was my reaction.
>
> Like it or not, landline is pretty much the standard term.
>
> Alison
>
> Alison Craig, Technical Writer
> Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
> Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
> E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:59 PM
> To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Customer-friendly word for "landline"
>
> Telephone?
>
> What's wrong with landline?
>
> Alan
>
> On 4/02/2011, at 10:25 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/
> ENGLTB wrote:
>
> > Desk Phone?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af.mil at 
> > techwr-l.com[mailto:
> techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr =
> robins.af.mil at techwr-l.com
> > ] On Behalf Of John Posada
> > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:24 PM
> > To: List,? Techwriter
> > Subject: Customer-friendly word for "landline"
> >
> > I'm putting together a "se-Instead" glossary of terms to make our
> > customent facing support content more accessible.
> >
> > We use the term landline phone differenciate from mobile phone and I
> > don't like "landline".
> >
> > My target is 6th grade understanding. Anyone have any suggestions for
> > inplace of landline?
> >
> > --
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Customer-friendly word for "landline"

2011-02-03 Thread Writer

I looked up "landline" in Wikipedia (s...don't nag). One alternative was 
"fixed-line". However, I liked POTS - Plain Old Telephone Service. =D Not 
exactly accurate, but funny all the same.

(I also learned a new word: retronym).

Nadine

--- On Thu, 2/3/11, Alison Craig  wrote:

> From: Alison Craig 
> Subject: RE: Customer-friendly word for "landline"
> To: "Alan T Litchfield" , "Butler, Darren J CTR USAF 
> AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB" 
> Cc: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
> Date: Thursday, February 3, 2011, 5:13 PM
> That was my reaction. 
> 
> Like it or not, landline is pretty much the standard term.
> 
> Alison
> 
> Alison Craig, Technical Writer
> Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
> Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
> E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com
>  
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]
> On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:59 PM
> To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Customer-friendly word for "landline"
> 
> Telephone?
> 
> What's wrong with landline?
> 
> Alan
> 
> On 4/02/2011, at 10:25 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC
> WR-ALC/ 
> ENGLTB wrote:
> 
> > Desk Phone?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af.mil at techwr-l.com
> [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af.mil at techwr-l.com
> 
> > ] On Behalf Of John Posada
> > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:24 PM
> > To: List,? Techwriter
> > Subject: Customer-friendly word for "landline"
> >
> > I'm putting together a "se-Instead" glossary of terms
> to make our
> > customent facing support content more accessible.
> >
> > We use the term landline phone differenciate from
> mobile phone and I
> > don't like "landline".
> >
> > My target is 6th grade understanding. Anyone have any
> suggestions for
> > inplace of landline?
> >
> > -- 
> 
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Sharepoint links in a Frame doc

2011-02-03 Thread qui...@airmail.net

Carol,

You are correct. I insert SharePoint hyperlinks in Word, so you should 
be able to do the exact same thing in FrameMaker.

Here's how you do it.

1. In your internet browser locate the file on SharePoint.
2. Open the Properties for the file (not the icon, you have to use the 
file link).

3. Select ALL of the Address: line from the Properties dialog box. Note 
that the address will likely be more than the displayed two lines, so 
drag down and through until you get all of it.

4. Copy the address and then paste it into your FrameMaker link.

  On 1/27/11 3:45 PM, Carol J. Elkins wrote:
> Ah, see that's why I asked. I don't know anything about Sharepoint, so I
> didn't know those were required. If a person is already logged in, do
> they still need to provide that information?
>
> My client planned to make the links via Acrobat, so I suspect that if he
> can link from Acrobat, I can link from Framemaker, providing I have a
> full path statement. Is that what you do?
>
> Carol
>
> At 01:46 PM 1/27/2011, you wrote:
>> How would you include the access credentials (login and password) in
>> the URL?
>>
>> Our Sharepoint installation requires someone to be defined in SP as
>> authorized. Would that be an issue?
>>
>> > The same client wanting the watermark wants his PDF documents to
>> contain
>> > Sharepoint links to other docs (tiffs, Word docs, etc.) I told him
>> that I
>> > THOUGHT I could create hypertext links in Frame (to avoid
>> post-production
>> > re-work on the PDF) as long as I had the full path statement to the
>> target
>> > document. I don't have any experience with Sharepoint. Do you know
>> if my
>> > linking strategy will work or if there is a better way to do it?
>> --
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>

Custom cell spacing

2011-02-03 Thread Pat Christenson

Hi -

I'm running FrameMaker 9.0p255 on Windows XP.

in the Paragraph Designer, Table Cell Properties, setting a custom  
Bottom margin (either From Table Format, Plus or Custom) does  
nothing. It shows the new value but it has no effect on the paragraph  
in the cell. Top, Left and Right work fine.

This has worked for me before in previous versions. Is this bug in 9  
or am I just missing something?

Thanks.

Pat Christenson

Customer-friendly word for "landline"

2011-02-03 Thread Gary Bankston

Now this is why we all belong to this list. We all learned something new
today.

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Writer  wrote:

> I looked up "landline" in Wikipedia (s...don't nag). One alternative
> was "fixed-line". However, I liked POTS - Plain Old Telephone Service. =D
> Not exactly accurate, but funny all the same.
>
> (I also learned a new word: retronym).
>
> Nadine
>
> --- On Thu, 2/3/11, Alison Craig  wrote:
>
> > From: Alison Craig 
> > Subject: RE: Customer-friendly word for "landline"
> > To: "Alan T Litchfield" , "Butler, Darren J CTR
> USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB" 
> > Cc: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
> > Date: Thursday, February 3, 2011, 5:13 PM
>  > That was my reaction.
> >
> > Like it or not, landline is pretty much the standard term.
> >
> > Alison
> >
> > Alison Craig, Technical Writer
> > Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
> > Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
> > E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]
> > On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield
> > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:59 PM
> > To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB
> > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: Customer-friendly word for "landline"
> >
> > Telephone?
> >
> > What's wrong with landline?
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > On 4/02/2011, at 10:25 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC
> > WR-ALC/
> > ENGLTB wrote:
> >
> > > Desk Phone?
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af.mil at techwr-l.com
> > [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr
> =robins.af.mil at techwr-l.com
> >
> > > ] On Behalf Of John Posada
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:24 PM
> > > To: List,? Techwriter
> > > Subject: Customer-friendly word for "landline"
> > >
> > > I'm putting together a "se-Instead" glossary of terms
> > to make our
> > > customent facing support content more accessible.
> > >
> > > We use the term landline phone differenciate from
> > mobile phone and I
> > > don't like "landline".
> > >
> > > My target is 6th grade understanding. Anyone have any
> > suggestions for
> > > inplace of landline?
> > >
> > > --
> >
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Customer-friendly word for "landline"

2011-02-03 Thread Writer

I always say, "You learn something new every day. Two things, if you're not 
careful."

Nadine

--- On Thu, 2/3/11, Gary Bankston  wrote:

> From: Gary Bankston 
> Subject: Re: Customer-friendly word for "landline"
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Thursday, February 3, 2011, 6:42 PM
> Now this is why we all belong to this
> list. We all learned something new
> today.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Writer 
> wrote:
> 
> > I looked up "landline" in Wikipedia (s...don't
> nag). One alternative
> > was "fixed-line". However, I liked POTS - Plain Old
> Telephone Service. =D
> > Not exactly accurate, but funny all the same.
> >
> > (I also learned a new word: retronym).
> >
> > Nadine
> >
> > --- On Thu, 2/3/11, Alison Craig 
> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Alison Craig 
> > > Subject: RE: Customer-friendly word for
> "landline"
> > > To: "Alan T Litchfield" ,
> "Butler, Darren J CTR
> > USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB" 
> > > Cc: "framers at lists.frameusers.com"
> 
> > > Date: Thursday, February 3, 2011, 5:13 PM
> >? > That was my reaction.
> > >
> > > Like it or not, landline is pretty much the
> standard term.
> > >
> > > Alison
> > >
> > > Alison Craig, Technical Writer
> > > Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
> > > Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
> > > E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> > > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]
> > > On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:59 PM
> > > To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB
> > > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > > Subject: Re: Customer-friendly word for
> "landline"
> > >
> > > Telephone?
> > >
> > > What's wrong with landline?
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > > On 4/02/2011, at 10:25 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR
> USAF AFMC
> > > WR-ALC/
> > > ENGLTB wrote:
> > >
> > > > Desk Phone?
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af.mil at techwr-l.com
> > >
> [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr
> > =robins.af.mil at techwr-l.com
> > >
> > > > ] On Behalf Of John Posada
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:24 PM
> > > > To: List,? Techwriter
> > > > Subject: Customer-friendly word for
> "landline"
> > > >
> > > > I'm putting together a "se-Instead" glossary
> of terms
> > > to make our
> > > > customent facing support content more
> accessible.
> > > >
> > > > We use the term landline phone differenciate
> from
> > > mobile phone and I
> > > > don't like "landline".
> > > >
> > > > My target is 6th grade understanding. Anyone
> have any
> > > suggestions for
> > > > inplace of landline?
> > > >
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Customer-friendly word for "landline"

2011-02-03 Thread Ann Zdunczyk

I worked for Western Electric/AT/Lucent as a technical writer and I am
very familiar with POTS!!! It is what we called them.

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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 5:55 PM
To: Alan T Litchfield; Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTBButler; Alison
Craig
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Customer-friendly word for "landline"

I looked up "landline" in Wikipedia (s...don't nag). One alternative was
"fixed-line". However, I liked POTS - Plain Old Telephone Service. =D Not
exactly accurate, but funny all the same.

(I also learned a new word: retronym).

Nadine

--- On Thu, 2/3/11, Alison Craig  wrote:

> From: Alison Craig 
> Subject: RE: Customer-friendly word for "landline"
> To: "Alan T Litchfield" , "Butler, Darren J CTR USAF
AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB" 
> Cc: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
> Date: Thursday, February 3, 2011, 5:13 PM
> That was my reaction. 
> 
> Like it or not, landline is pretty much the standard term.
> 
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> Telephone?
> 
> What's wrong with landline?
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> Alan
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> On 4/02/2011, at 10:25 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC
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> > I'm putting together a "se-Instead" glossary of terms
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> > customent facing support content more accessible.
> >
> > We use the term landline phone differenciate from
> mobile phone and I
> > don't like "landline".
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> > My target is 6th grade understanding. Anyone have any
> suggestions for
> > inplace of landline?
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Customer-friendly word for "landline"

2011-02-03 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

We mostly use "wireless" and "wireline" to distinguish the two (my company is 
in the wireless data business for cellular).

On fewer occasions, simply "landline" and "POTS".

Depends on the audience. :)

Z

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Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 
WR-ALC/ENGLTB
Subject: Re: Customer-friendly word for "landline"

Maybe nothing, just exploring alternative...look like there really aren't 
any...thanks anyway

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Alan T Litchfield  
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> Telephone?
>
> What's wrong with landline?
>
> Alan

Customer-friendly word for "landline"

2011-02-03 Thread Everette, Dimi

Hmm...we use POTS (plain old telephone service) but that probably won't work 
for 6th graders! :)

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Subject: Re: Customer-friendly word for "landline"

Telephone?

What's wrong with landline?

Alan

On 4/02/2011, at 10:25 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ 
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> Desk Phone?
>
> -Original Message-
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> ] On Behalf Of John Posada
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:24 PM
> To: List,? Techwriter
> Subject: Customer-friendly word for "landline"
>
> I'm putting together a "se-Instead" glossary of terms to make our
> customent facing support content more accessible.
>
> We use the term landline phone differenciate from mobile phone and I
> don't like "landline".
>
> My target is 6th grade understanding. Anyone have any suggestions for
> inplace of landline?
>
> -- 

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