So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Carrie Baker]

I am in a small company with not really any justification to move to Frame 8
or 9. Frame7 seems sufficient for what we need, and they do have quite a
tight budget.
However, now I understand that even if I want to, moving to Frame 10 is not
an upgrade, but purchase a new license.

Are others in the same boat?
Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a
later point upgrading again?

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Acrobat does not keep settings (OT ?)

[Klaus Daube]

Dear all

Since changing to Win7 x64 i have problems with Acrobat 9.4.2 (Acrobat 9 pro 
extended) english:
(There is no help on this on the Adobe site). My account is Administrator.

The following preferences are not persistant, that is, they are no more set at 
the next start of 
Acrobat:

Units and Guides: Setting Page  Ruler Units to Centimeters.
   = After restart settings are back to Inches.

Trust Manager: Change Settings ... 
   I have entered a number of web site addresses, e.g. www.daube.ch
   and selected Allow access to Default behaviour for web sites that are not 
in the above list.
   = After restart the list of websites is empty and the setting is back to 
Always ask.

I have not found a REG key to fix this nore any other means. This is 
frustrating!

On my XP system I have Acrobat 8.1.2 (Acrobat 3D Version 8) and everything 
works as intended.

BTW the security measures have become a hindrance for real work: a PDF 
containing links, such as 
http://www.zurichcci.ch/de/files/angebote-0.pdf requires user intervention even 
for the mail 
addresses. Aren't these measure not a duplication of the tasks of AV-programs 
and firewalls?

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Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote:

Are others in the same boat?
Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a 
later point upgrading again?

Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck.

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RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24

[Venkan]

Dear Sir,

Is there any conversion tool for converting FM to MIF and MIF to FM?

Venkan
Newgen Knowledge Works  (P) Limited
 
India - Tamil Nadu - Chennai
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:52:24 -0600 (CST)
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Subject: Re: OT: Translation cost comparison
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It is not the word count but the amount of time to round trip the
document, engineering costs from Frame to xml and back. The second part of
that is the DTP. Frame does a cleaner round-trip than word so less DTP time
for cleaning up the formatting.

I hope that helps. We translate into 29 languages where I work and we cut
the cost by about 30 to 50% using Frame and that was before we switched to
DITA.

Just my .02,

Beth





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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:16:18 -0800
From: Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
To: beth.tr...@verizon.net beth.tr...@verizon.net,
framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OT: Translation cost comparison
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Actually, in my case, I was only talking about word cost. This was borne out
by the detailed quotes I received. Other fees were accounted for under
different line items (any reputable LSP should do it this way so you can see
what is involved in a job and what the associated costs are).

I also did a large RFQ about 15 months ago with 11 different ISO qualified,
medical device LSPs and even though they were all given *exactly* the same
set of directions, the same TM and the same FM-based file set, the word
counts were all over the place. Counts for New Words alone ranged from a low
of 27,863 to a high of 36,305. That kind of discrepancy adds up quickly. 

FYI: The MS Word equivalent number was 28,239.

Alison


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Subject: Re: OT: Translation cost comparison

It is not the word count but the amount of time to round trip the
document, engineering costs from Frame to xml and back. The second part of
that is the DTP. Frame does a cleaner round-trip than word so less DTP time
for cleaning up the formatting.

I hope that helps. We translate into 29 languages where I work and we cut
the cost by about 30 to 50% using Frame and that was before we switched to
DITA.

Just my .02,

Beth





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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:26:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Nilson billnil...@yahoo.com
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Subject: RE: Translation cost comparison
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Some translation houses charge extra for delivery in an additional output
format besides the translated Frame files. Some years ago I had an estimate
that included an extra 1K for a PDF manual but decided to create the PDF
myself. In my case, it was for Japanese. If you're resourceful and it's

RE: removal of inline heading punctuation from x-ref

[Michael Pearson]

Hi Rob,



I see this post is a few days old, but don't think you've had a 
response yet so I'll give it a go. Here's what I think you're saying: 
you have a cross-reference of definition $paranum or 
$paranumonly that points to a paragraph with pagination 
properties set to Run-In Head and with numbering properties set to some 
Autonumber Format. If all of that is correct (and I'm not convinced it 
is), then the punctuation you're seeing is defined in the referenced 
paragraph's (that is, the Run-In Head paragraph's) Autonumber Format 
properties. Depending upon the look you need for those Run-In Head 
paragraphs, you *may* be able to remove the punctuation from the 
Autonumber Format and, instead, put that punctuation in the paragraph format's 
Run-In Head--Default Punctuation field on the Pagination tab.



If none of this is helpful, please post the exact format definition of the 
cross-reference, as well as the numbering properties of the 
paragraph being referenced. That might elicit some better answers for you.



HTH,

Mike


Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 15:03:37 +1030
Subject: removal of inline heading punctuation from x-ref
From: robnurflu...@gmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Hi folks,
We have run into an interesting problem here with some cross references. They 
all refer to paragraph numbers, but where the paragraph has an inline heading, 
the full stop punctuation is added to the end of the paragraph number. Does 
anyone know a way around this. Frame version 7.2


Cheers
Rob Wallis 


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Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 09:44 -0500 1/3/11, Alan Houser wrote:

I know the FrameMaker on Mac horse was beaten to death long ago, but perhaps 
it's time for Adobe to consider reviving the horse...

Indeed it was. In my dreams, Apple buys Adobe and forces them to revive it.

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RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24

[Jeff Coatsworth]

 Yes FM can do all this - save as MIF, open MIF and save as FM binary

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Dear Sir,

Is there any conversion tool for converting FM to MIF and MIF to FM?

Venkan
Newgen Knowledge Works  (P) Limited
 
India - Tamil Nadu - Chennai
(o) +914424495057 | (m) +919791040282
 
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It is not the word count but the amount of time to round trip the
document, engineering costs from Frame to xml and back. The second part of
that is the DTP. Frame does a cleaner round-trip than word so less DTP time
for cleaning up the formatting.

I hope that helps. We translate into 29 languages where I work and we cut
the cost by about 30 to 50% using Frame and that was before we switched to
DITA.

Just my .02,

Beth





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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:16:18 -0800
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framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OT: Translation cost comparison
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Actually, in my case, I was only talking about word cost. This was borne out
by the detailed quotes I received. Other fees were accounted for under
different line items (any reputable LSP should do it this way so you can see
what is involved in a job and what the associated costs are).

I also did a large RFQ about 15 months ago with 11 different ISO qualified,
medical device LSPs and even though they were all given *exactly* the same
set of directions, the same TM and the same FM-based file set, the word
counts were all over the place. Counts for New Words alone ranged from a low
of 27,863 to a high of 36,305. That kind of discrepancy adds up quickly. 

FYI: The MS Word equivalent number was 28,239.

Alison


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beth.tr...@verizon.net
Sent: February 24, 2011 12:52 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Translation cost comparison

It is not the word count but the amount of time to round trip the
document, engineering costs from Frame to xml and back. The second part of
that is the DTP. Frame does a cleaner round-trip than word so less DTP time
for cleaning up the formatting.

I hope that helps. We translate into 29 languages where I work and we cut
the cost by about 30 to 50% using Frame and that was before we switched to
DITA.

Just my .02,

Beth





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RE: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)

[Fred Ridder]

Oops, forgot to delete the digest content myself. Sorry about that!
 
-FR
 


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To: venkates...@newgenimaging.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:46:17 -0500




FrameMaker itself does both of these conversions on a file-by-file basis. If 
you need to do the conversion for all files in a book at the same time, you 
should look at Mif2Go from Omni Systems, which does many other things besides 
this particular conversion.
 
And as a matter of etiquette, in the future it would be good if you change the 
digest subject line to someting that relates to your query, and that you delete 
the digest from the bottom of your posting. In reality, it's probably easier 
for you to simply compose a brand-new message and send it to 
fram...@lists.framers.com rather than using the reply function.
 
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RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Owen, Clint]

Carrie,
 
We are in the same boat. We are currently using FM 7.0 and the company
is pretty tight-fisted when it comes to software. We bought one FM 9
upgrade for evaluation, as it turns out, a week before FM 10 was
released. 
 
You can't upgrade to FM 8 or 9, except if you get lucky on eBay. Our
software supplier originally told us that 10 copies of 9 were available
a week after the release of 10, but that turned out not to be true.
 
If you want to get the latest version, you have to spring for the full
version of FM 10.
 
Clint
 
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425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113
 



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carrie Baker
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 3:25 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?


I am in a small company with not really any justification to move to
Frame 8 or 9. Frame7 seems sufficient for what we need, and they do have
quite a tight budget.
However, now I understand that even if I want to, moving to Frame 10 is
not an upgrade, but purchase a new license.
 
Are others in the same boat?
Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at
a later point upgrading again?

-- 
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MIFs, Frame 7 and Frame 9

[Dr Rick Smith]

Here's an example:

I did both the writing and compositing on my previous book, published with a 
different publisher. My current publisher insists on using their own 
compositor. The one they hired uses Frame 7. So I've taken my Frame 9 files, 
saved them all as Frame 7 MIFs, including the book file, and submitted them to 
the publisher. I also took the MIFs and re-imported them to ensure that I still 
have the same content.

Till I watched discussions here, I hadn't realized how many folks still stand 
by Frame 7.

For all I know, the compositor is on this discussion list.

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Re FM-MIF-FM conversion [WAS Re: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24]

[Stuart Rogers]

On 28/02/2011 1:00 AM, Venkan wrote:

Dear Sir,

Is there any conversion tool for converting FM to MIF and MIF to FM?

Venkan
Newgen Knowledge Works  (P) Limited

India - Tamil Nadu - Chennai
(o) +914424495057 | (m) +919791040282


Mif2Go (including the free demo version, I believe) has a wash via MIF 
command that will do what you want.  www.omsys.com


In future, kindly do not quote the entire Digest in your message, as it 
will be repeated in the next day's Digest; and kindly change the subject 
line to something that will be meaningful when others receive your 
message or later search the archives.  Thank you.


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Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Carrie Baker]

I do not know if it is altogether a bad thing to be using Frame 7. I sort of
just wanted to know that other people are also using Frame of that vintage.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Alan Houser a...@groupwellesley.com wrote:

 If you check the PDF properties of Apple's documentation, you will find
 that a surprising number are authored and published in FrameMaker 7.
 InDesign CS3 is also popular there.

 And the TechCrunch blog recently forecast that Apple-based readers will
 outnumber Windows-based readers by the end of 2012.
 http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/27/apple-versus-microsoft-share/

 I know the FrameMaker on Mac horse was beaten to death long ago, but
 perhaps it's time for Adobe to consider reviving the horse...

 -Alan
 ---

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 Group Wellesley, Inc.
 412-363-3481
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 At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote:

 Are others in the same boat?
 Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at
 a later point upgrading again?

 Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck.




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Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Susan Modlin]

Hi Carrie,

I'm lodged on Frame 7.2 by choice. There have been no bells and whistles in the 
more recent releases that gave me anything I felt I needed for my very small 
department of one. I've been using Frame since 2.1 and have a strong partiality 
for the Frame interface vs. the Adobe one, so that was even more incentive to 
stay where I am. I suppose I'll need to upgrade some day, but for now, I'm fine 
where I am. 


...Susan






From: Carrie Baker carrie...@gmail.com
To: Alan Houser a...@groupwellesley.com
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 9:14:22 AM
Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

I do not know if it is altogether a bad thing to be using Frame 7. I sort of 
just wanted to know that other people are also using Frame of that vintage.


On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Alan Houser a...@groupwellesley.com wrote:

If you check the PDF properties of Apple's documentation, you will find that a 
surprising number are authored and published in FrameMaker 7. InDesign CS3 is 
also popular there.

And the TechCrunch blog recently forecast that Apple-based readers will 
outnumber Windows-based readers by the end of 2012.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/27/apple-versus-microsoft-share/

I know the FrameMaker on Mac horse was beaten to death long ago, but perhaps 
it's time for Adobe to consider reviving the horse...

-Alan
---

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Group Wellesley, Inc.
412-363-3481
www.groupwellesley.com 



On 3/1/2011 8:18 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:

At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote:


Are others in the same boat?
Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a 
later 
point upgrading again?
Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck.




-- 
Carrie Baker
carrie...@gmail.com



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RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Fei Min Lorente]

Yes, I'm in the same boat: FrameMaker 7.2. But I don't see an upgrade
path to 9 and then 10. I think that to even buy 9 now, you'd have to pay
for a full license for 10 and downgrade. We're just going to have to
bite the bullet.

Fei Min Lorente

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Carrie Baker; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote:

Are others in the same boat?
Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then
at a later point upgrading again?

Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck.

-- 
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Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Scott Prentice]

If there's no business or functional reason to upgrade, why bother? At 
this point you're stuck paying the full price for an upgrade, so if FM7 
provides everything that you need I'd hold out as long as possible. I 
think that there are plenty of people on FM7 and earlier who are 
perfectly happy with the features provided.


Don't tell Adobe I said that though.  :o

There are some useful and cool features in some of the newer versions .. 
but if you're not going to use them, why spend the money?


Cheers,

...scott


Carrie Baker wrote:
I am in a small company with not really any justification to move to 
Frame 8 or 9. Frame7 seems sufficient for what we need, and they do 
have quite a tight budget.
However, now I understand that even if I want to, moving to Frame 10 
is not an upgrade, but purchase a new license.
 
Are others in the same boat?
Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then 
at a later point upgrading again?


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Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Böðvar Björgvinsson]

7.2 here. FM10 has not really met my needs (spellchecking and hyphenation in
Icelandic), so I can just as well continue with 7.2 until FM breaks free of
the bonds that is keeping them from expanding these tools to other languages
than the few they are supporting.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Iceland


2011/3/1 Carrie Baker carrie...@gmail.com

 I am in a small company with not really any justification to move to Frame
 8 or 9. Frame7 seems sufficient for what we need, and they do have quite a
 tight budget.
 However, now I understand that even if I want to, moving to Frame 10 is not
 an upgrade, but purchase a new license.

 Are others in the same boat?
 Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a
 later point upgrading again?

 --
 Carrie Baker
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Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Alan Litchfield]

Yeah, I'm in that boat, and pricing in this part of the world is such  
that we get to pay significantly more than those stateside.


Alan

On Mar 2, 2011, at 12:25 AM, Carrie Baker wrote:

I am in a small company with not really any justification to move  
to Frame 8 or 9. Frame7 seems sufficient for what we need, and they  
do have quite a tight budget.
However, now I understand that even if I want to, moving to Frame  
10 is not an upgrade, but purchase a new license.


Are others in the same boat?
Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and  
then at a later point upgrading again?


--
Carrie Baker
carrie...@gmail.com


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RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Rick Quatro]

I agree with Scott. For me, FrameMaker 8 is the gold standard. It supports
Unicode, but is not encumbered by the new interface and slow performance of
FrameMaker 9 (the Windows Millennium version of FrameMaker :-)). FrameMaker
10 is better than 9, but, as Scott said, only upgrade if you need some of
the new features.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
r...@frameexpert.com

*** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com


If there's no business or functional reason to upgrade, why bother? At 
this point you're stuck paying the full price for an upgrade, so if FM7 
provides everything that you need I'd hold out as long as possible. I 
think that there are plenty of people on FM7 and earlier who are 
perfectly happy with the features provided.

Don't tell Adobe I said that though.  :o

There are some useful and cool features in some of the newer versions .. 
but if you're not going to use them, why spend the money?

Cheers,

...scott


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RE: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Hi, Jeremy.

Hmmm ... does the demo version of MIF2GO not jabberwocky the text a bit? :)



Or is MIF washing considered a freebie that you are willing to let people do 
indefinitely? Thanks much, if so!



(ala the FrameMaker LITE discussion), have you ever considered a low-cost (or 
freebie - I hope) LITE version for those of us who do not need the full power 
of MIF2GO and cannot get the justification for buying that?

Thanks!



Z



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:02 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)



On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:46:17 -0500, Fred Ridder 
docu...@hotmail.commailto:docu...@hotmail.com wrote:



FrameMaker itself does both of these conversions on a file-by-file

basis. If you need to do the conversion for all files in a book at the

same time, you should look at Mif2Go from Omni Systems, which does many

other things besides this particular conversion.



Note that this function in Mif2Go, File  Wash via MIF, works just fine in the 
demo version (as do several other helpful utilities).  No need to purchase 
Mif2Go for this use case, just download and run the free demo version:

  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm



HTH!



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Re: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:17:26 -0800, Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:

Hmmm ... does the demo version of MIF2GO not jabberwocky 
the text a bit? :)

Not for MIF wash, or export graphics, or saving as
MIF for a full book (without breaking the links)...
only for HTML, XML, and RTF outputs.

Or is MIF washing considered a freebie that you are 
willing to let people do indefinitely? Thanks much, if so!

You're welcome!  ;-)

(ala the FrameMaker LITE discussion), have you ever considered 
a low-cost (or freebie - I hope) LITE version for those of us 
who do not need the full power of MIF2GO and cannot get the 
justification for buying that?

No.  I don't like crippleware, where features are
removed to maintain sales value in the more complete
product.  The Jabberwocky is as close as we'll come
to that.

Basically, we *already* give Mif2Go away to anyone who 
cannot afford it for a good reason, like unemployment.
We see no reason to subsidize greedy corporations where
the savings go into the pocket of an overpaid CEO, and 
do absolutely nothing to help the employees.

Used to be, we gave away one copy for every two or three
we sold.  Last few years, it's ten free for every one sold.
Lots of pain out there these days, and that's where we
choose to put our support.

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RE: Identifying copied graphics

[Fred Ridder]

Rick's scripts are fine if the goal is to convert pasted graphics into 
referenced ones. Jeremy's Mif2Go also does that job nicely.
 
But if the goal is *identifying* graphics, as stated in the subject line, 
neither approach will do the job because FrameMaker does not retain any 
information about the name of the source file. If the objective is being able 
to link to the *original* graphics files, the only solution I'm aware of is 
manual inspection and matching. 
 
-Fred Ridder
 
 From: art.campb...@gmail.com
 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:34:34 -0500
 Subject: Re: Identifying copied graphics
 To: ma...@verizon.net
 CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 Rick Quatro has a lovely set of scripts that identify copied in
 graphics, save them out as graphic files, and reimport them as
 referenced graphics
 
 Cuts the operation down from weeks to a few minutes.
 
 Art Campbell
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 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
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DoD 358
 
 
 
 On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote:
  Hi, all.
 
  I've inherited a FrameMaker book with dozens of copied graphics. I've got 
  to identify them and import them properly, but doing the job manually will 
  take way too long. I hoped that saving to .mif would give me the names of 
  the copied files, but it doesn't.
 
  At http://www.microtype.com/resources/FM_utilities.pdf I found one utility 
  called TOOLBOX Package 3 that can do it, but the price is too high.
 
  Do you know of any other way to identify the copied graphics?
 
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Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:23:06 -0500, Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com 
wrote:

I agree with Scott. For me, FrameMaker 8 is the gold standard. It supports
Unicode, 

I agree.  I use FM 8 myself, and our pubs manager uses 7.0.
If you don't need Unicode, there's no reason to go past 7.
And if you do need Unicode, there's no reason to go past 8.

but is not encumbered by the new interface and slow performance of
FrameMaker 9 (the Windows Millennium version of FrameMaker :-)). FrameMaker
10 is better than 9, but, as Scott said, only upgrade if you need some of
the new features.

*What* new features???  The majority of those claimed
are, IMHO, hype.  Some don't work at all (the new CMYK
support), others (like DITA) are far better supported by
much less expensive third-party software (DITA-FMx).

And one of the elephants in the living room is that there
is *no* FDK support for the new UI, making it very hard 
for any third-party app to play nice with 9 and 10.  The
FDK still has the docs for 7.0, the last time any real
engineering occurred, IMHO.  You know, before they fired 
the surviving staff from Frame Tech so as to make more
money by outsourcing development to India.  sigh/

I'm just sad that the product I've appreciated, supported,
and recommended since version 3.0 has come to this...

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Fonts not found

[Anthony Davey]

Hi All,

Help please. Trialling Frame 10 in TCS3 on XP SP3.  From Frame 10, using a 
template built in 8, I can display our corporate logo font in the Frame docs, 
but when I use Distiller to Save as PDF... the typeface changes to Times New 
Roman.

The corporate face is AG Book Rounded.  In the Frame paragraph designer this 
displays as 'AG Book Rounded Medium'; but in C:\Windows\Fonts the nearest 
equivalent is 'AGBookRounded-Medium (OpenType)'.

However, this doesn't seem to be the cause, or at least not all of it.  I tried 
substituting 'Myriad Pro' (name in paragraph designer - which is an Adobe 
supplied typeface, admittedly), the equivalent of which in C:/Windows/Fonts is 
'MyriadPro-[VariantName] (OpenType)' and this did not get substituted.

I've reinstalled Acrobat and Frame since importing the fonts into 
C:/Windows/Fonts and the fonts all show up in the Frame fonts list, so it must 
be a foible of Acrobat X, mustn't it?

This is the corporate typeface for titles of publications so it's a bit 
important that I resolve this soon.

Many thanks for any help you can give.

Best regards,
Ant

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flattening vector graphics

[hessiansx4]

Does anyone know of a method to flatten/reduce file size of a .cgm file (and 
still maintain it as a .cgm file)? Thanks.


  
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Re: CMYK coming out as Spot

[Outlaw, Cathy]

We use Enfocus PitStop (plug-in for Acrobat Pro) to color-correct those spot 
colors in the PDF.

Cathy Outlaw
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Well I thought I had my color issue solved. I was having my pantone
color come out as spot when reviewed in acrobat. I had the color in the
table and I discovered that the table treats my pantone as a spot.
So now I have a bleed running on the right of my right-hand pages. And
now my pantone is again coming out as spot instead of cmyk.
I checked my color settings yet again and my pantone 165cvu is set
correctly. But frame thinks otherwise. Any suggestions yet again would
be helpful.

Mac OSX running parallels with windows 7 Home, Framemaker 9.0.

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RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Ragnar Hanås]

7.2 was fine for me until I upgraded to Windows 7. I then began to
experience a lot of crashes, most of them when highlighting text or moving
borders of frames. Adobe wouldn´t upgrade to FM9 when I tried 2 days after
the release of FM10 (FM10 wasn’t even available in Sweden at that time), but
I was lucky enough to get hold of an unopened FM9 box at a very good price
via Blocket.se

Ragnar Hanas

Uddevalla Hospital

Sweden

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Böðvar
Björgvinsson
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 7:42 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Carrie Baker
Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

 

7.2 here. FM10 has not really met my needs (spellchecking and hyphenation in
Icelandic), so I can just as well continue with 7.2 until FM breaks free of
the bonds that is keeping them from expanding these tools to other languages
than the few they are supporting.

 

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

Iceland

 

2011/3/1 Carrie Baker carrie...@gmail.com

I am in a small company with not really any justification to move to Frame 8
or 9. Frame7 seems sufficient for what we need, and they do have quite a
tight budget.

However, now I understand that even if I want to, moving to Frame 10 is not
an upgrade, but purchase a new license.

 

Are others in the same boat?

Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a
later point upgrading again?

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Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Writer]

Maybe it's time for someone to build a whole new mousetrap.

Nadine

--- On Tue, 3/1/11, Jeremy H. Griffith jer...@omsys.com wrote:

 From: Jeremy H. Griffith jer...@omsys.com
 Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?
 To: 'Framers' framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 5:24 PM
 On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:23:06 -0500,
 Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com
 
 wrote:
 
 I agree with Scott. For me, FrameMaker 8 is the gold
 standard. It supports
 Unicode, 
 
 I agree.  I use FM 8 myself, and our pubs manager uses
 7.0.
 If you don't need Unicode, there's no reason to go past 7.
 And if you do need Unicode, there's no reason to go past
 8.
 
 but is not encumbered by the new interface and slow
 performance of
 FrameMaker 9 (the Windows Millennium version of
 FrameMaker :-)). FrameMaker
 10 is better than 9, but, as Scott said, only upgrade
 if you need some of
 the new features.
 
 *What* new features???  The majority of those claimed
 are, IMHO, hype.  Some don't work at all (the new
 CMYK
 support), others (like DITA) are far better supported by
 much less expensive third-party software (DITA-FMx).
 
 And one of the elephants in the living room is that there
 is *no* FDK support for the new UI, making it very hard 
 for any third-party app to play nice with 9 and 10. 
 The
 FDK still has the docs for 7.0, the last time any real
 engineering occurred, IMHO.  You know, before they
 fired 
 the surviving staff from Frame Tech so as to make more
 money by outsourcing development to India. 
 sigh/
 
 I'm just sad that the product I've appreciated, supported,
 and recommended since version 3.0 has come to this...
 
 -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
   jer...@omsys.com 
 http://www.omsys.com/
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RE: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Hi, Jeremy,

In the past, I have noted your generosity and appreciate your assistance to 
people in need!

Fortunately (touch wood!), I have not taken advantage of it, since I have 
stayed employed over the years. And, unfortunately, I cannot justify purchasing 
the full MIF2GO for my employer, since my need for its capabilities is quite 
minimal. Someday though ... :)

So, yes, a freebie MIF Wash capability makes me quite happy, since I have had 
to do that manually on occasion to clean misbehaving .FM files.

And, your option for this wash makes it far more simple to do (I assume I can 
do it to the entire book - all files contained in it - just as simply?)

Regards and thanks again!

Z

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Subject: Re: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)

On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:17:26 -0800, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) 
syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:

Hmmm ... does the demo version of MIF2GO not jabberwocky the text a bit? :)

Not for MIF wash, or export graphics, or saving as MIF for a full book (without 
breaking the links) ... only for HTML, XML, and RTF outputs.

Or is MIF washing considered a freebie that you are willing to let people do 
indefinitely? Thanks much, if so!

You're welcome!  ;-)

(ala the FrameMaker LITE discussion), have you ever considered a  low-cost (or 
freebie - I hope) LITE version for those of us who do not  need the full power 
of MIF2GO and cannot get the justification for buying that?

No.  I don't like crippleware, where features are removed to maintain sales 
value in the more complete product.  The Jabberwocky is as close as we'll come 
to that.

Basically, we *already* give Mif2Go away to anyone who cannot afford it for a 
good reason, like unemployment.
We see no reason to subsidize greedy corporations where the savings go into the 
pocket of an overpaid CEO, and do absolutely nothing to help the employees.

Used to be, we gave away one copy for every two or three we sold.  Last few 
years, it's ten free for every one sold.
Lots of pain out there these days, and that's where we choose to put our 
support.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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Re: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:48:12 -0800, Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:

And, your option for this wash makes it far more simple 
to do (I assume I can do it to the entire book - all 
files contained in it - just as simply?)

Yes, just do the usual SHIFT-File, from the book, to 
get the version of the File menu that acts on all files
in the book.

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RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Fei Min Lorente]

I'm looking at buying the latest version because our company is moving
everyone to Windows 7, and FrameMaker 7.2 isn't supported on that OS. It
doesn't mean it won't work, but our management prefers to play it safe.

 

Fei Min Lorente

 

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carrie Baker
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:14 PM
To: Alan Houser
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

 

I do not know if it is altogether a bad thing to be using Frame 7. I
sort of just wanted to know that other people are also using Frame of
that vintage.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Alan Houser a...@groupwellesley.com
wrote:

If you check the PDF properties of Apple's documentation, you will find
that a surprising number are authored and published in FrameMaker 7.
InDesign CS3 is also popular there.

And the TechCrunch blog recently forecast that Apple-based readers will
outnumber Windows-based readers by the end of 2012.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/27/apple-versus-microsoft-share/

I know the FrameMaker on Mac horse was beaten to death long ago, but
perhaps it's time for Adobe to consider reviving the horse...

-Alan
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On 3/1/2011 8:18 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:

At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote:

Are others in the same boat?
Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at
a later point upgrading again?

Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck.




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RE: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Fantastic!

Thanks,

Z

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On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:48:12 -0800, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) 
syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:

And, your option for this wash makes it far more simple to do (I assume 
I can do it to the entire book - all files contained in it - just as 
simply?)

Yes, just do the usual SHIFT-File, from the book, to get the version of the 
File menu that acts on all files in the book.

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Linking from Visio diagrams to FM files (final deliverable is a PDF)

[Spectrum Writing]

I want to modify some Visio diagrams and in this modification, include a
link from different parts of the diagram to different locations in
Framemaker files. The Visio diagrams will be in files that are in the same
book as the files to which I want to link. The final deliverable will be a
PDF. Is this even possible?

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RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Dov Isaacs]

Please note that upgrades to FrameMaker 9 were no longer available from Adobe 
as of the day of release of FrameMaker 10. The only way to upgrade to 
FrameMaker 9 would be to find a legal copy of a FrameMaker 9 upgrade that is 
still on some reseller's shelf. And since you typically did not see such 
upgrade packages in the normal distribution channel (usually they were special 
ordered directly from Adobe), it is very unlikely you'll find one out there. 
Also be aware that one cannot sell a used upgrade package by itself.

- Dov

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carrie Baker
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 3:25 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

I am in a small company with not really any justification to move to Frame 8 or 
9. Frame7 seems sufficient for what we need, and they do have quite a tight 
budget.
However, now I understand that even if I want to, moving to Frame 10 is not an 
upgrade, but purchase a new license.

Are others in the same boat?
Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a 
later point upgrading again?

--
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RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Dov Isaacs]

No one from Adobe is forcing you to upgrade!  :)

On the other hand, don't expect support for newer versions of Windows and 
interoperability with new versions of both Adobe and non-Adobe applications 
with four version old software.

If your self-contained environment needs no more than what FrameMaker 7 offers, 
stay with it. Note that there are still some tech writing organizations running 
Windows NT 4 systems with FrameMaker 5.5.6 or 6.0.

- Dov

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:01 AM
To: Carrie Baker; 'Framers'
Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?


If there's no business or functional reason to upgrade, why bother? At

this point you're stuck paying the full price for an upgrade, so if FM7

provides everything that you need I'd hold out as long as possible. I

think that there are plenty of people on FM7 and earlier who are

perfectly happy with the features provided.



Don't tell Adobe I said that though.  :o



There are some useful and cool features in some of the newer versions ..

but if you're not going to use them, why spend the money?



Cheers,



...scott
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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[steve]

[Sorry for the long message. A download at the could make it worthwhile.]

It's not an uncommon situation. I have several large documentation sets I
maintain that are on FrameMaker 7.0, and it's likely that's where
management says they will stay for now.

I personally have seen some of the problems that have been reported with
running older versions of Frame on Windows Vista and Windows 7. I had
tried using the compatibility settings that Windows Vista and 7 provide.
The settings helped in Windows Vista, but actually made things worse in
Windows 7. I would get the graphic frame dragging crashes, and have very
sluggish performance of the application even on very fast hardware.

My solution was to create a compatiblity shim that installs on the system.
A compatibility shim is a standard way to control operating system
settings for a specific program, allowing it to be more compatible with
the base operating system. A compatibility shim provides much more control
over the settings than the basic compatibility settings provided by the
base operating system.

I have been using the first version of this shim for a few years. I just
recently had to update it to work on a 64-bit Windows 7 machine. It makes
Frame 7 function very much like it did on Windows XP.

Since there has been some discussion about this, I decided to make the
compatibility software available for download. You can get it from the
Downloads page at the Silicon Prairie Software web site:

http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com

It's way down at the bottom of the Downloads page.

Like the other software on the site, it's available as Shareware. If you
try the software and it helps you out, please consider paying the token
shareware fee. This one is entirely on the honor system! :-)

Hopefully you see the same benefits of the compatibility shim that I have.

Steve

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Switch Master Page usage by use of Paragraph Tags

[Baruch Brodersen]

Theresa,

Sounds like everything is already setup. That being the case, all you need
to do is apply the master pages.
>From the Body Pages, Format > Page Layout > Apply Master pages.

Best,
Baruch Brodersen


On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Theresa de Valence  wrote:

> Hi Framers,
>
> I used to be part of this list a long time ago, but something happened and
> I never managed to figure out how to rejoin. Now, I?m having no luck
> searching archives, so please pardon my asking questions you may regularly
> answer. It?s ok with me if you direct me to an historical link.
>
> I have old book (v7) where I switch Master Page Usage from landscape to
> portrait by use of the Paragraph Tag , so I know that *once* I figured this
> out correctly. I can?t use the old book as a copy for my new document, so I
> have had to build this structure from scratch and I no longer remember how I
> did so.
>
> Here?s what I find:
>
> On Reference Pages, there is a line:
> Book Update (Yes or No): Yes
> which holds a table carat whose titles are:
> Paragraph Tag Name, Right-Handed Master Page (or Single-Sided Master Page),
> Range Indicator (Single, Span pages, Until changed), Comments
> Data are:
> Heading1Port, RightPortrait, LeftPortrait, Until changed,,
> Heading1Lan, RightLandscape, LeftLandscape, Until changed,,
>
> Paragraph tags called Heading1Lan and Headin1Port have pagination set to
> start at Top of Page.
>
> What else do I need to do?
>
> Thanks,
> Theresa
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removal of inline heading punctuation from x-ref

[Rob Wallis]

Hi folks,
We have run into an interesting problem here with some cross references.
They all refer to paragraph numbers, but where the paragraph has an inline
heading, the full stop punctuation is added to the end of the paragraph
number. Does anyone know a way around this. Frame version 7.2

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Acrobat does not keep settings (OT ?)

[Klaus Daube]

Dear all

Since changing to Win7 x64 i have problems with Acrobat 9.4.2 (Acrobat 9 pro 
extended) english:
(There is no help on this on the Adobe site). My account is "Administrator".

The following preferences are not persistant, that is, they are no more set at 
the next start of 
Acrobat:

Units and Guides: Setting Page & Ruler Units to Centimeters.
   => After restart settings are back to Inches.

Trust Manager: Change Settings ... 
   I have entered a number of "web site addresses", e.g. www.daube.ch
   and selected "Allow access" to "Default behaviour for web sites that are not 
in the above list".
   => After restart the list of websites is empty and the setting is back to 
"Always ask".

I have not found a REG key to fix this nore any other means. This is 
frustrating!

On my XP system I have Acrobat 8.1.2 (Acrobat 3D Version 8) and everything 
works as intended.

BTW the security measures have become a hindrance for real work: a PDF 
containing links, such as 
http://www.zurichcci.ch/de/files/angebote-0.pdf requires user intervention even 
for the mail 
addresses. Aren't these measure not a duplication of the tasks of AV-programs 
and firewalls?

Desperate Acrobat user Klaus Daube
~~
Docu + Design Daube; Sch?racher 11; CH-8053 Z?rich
Technical documentation & consultancy; On-line and paper
F: +41-44-422 86 25  E: ddd at daube.ch  W: www.daube.ch

So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote:

>Are others in the same boat?
>Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a 
>later point upgrading again?

Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck.

-- 
Steve

removal of inline heading punctuation from x-ref

[Michael Pearson]

Hi Rob,



I see this post is a few days old, but don't think you've had a 
response yet so I'll give it a go. Here's what I think you're saying: 
you have a cross-reference of definition <$paranum> or 
<$paranumonly> that points to a paragraph with pagination 
properties set to Run-In Head and with numbering properties set to some 
Autonumber Format. If all of that is correct (and I'm not convinced it 
is), then the punctuation you're seeing is defined in the referenced 
paragraph's (that is, the Run-In Head paragraph's) Autonumber Format 
properties. Depending upon the look you need for those Run-In Head 
paragraphs, you *may* be able to remove the punctuation from the 
Autonumber Format and, instead, put that punctuation in the paragraph format's 
Run-In Head--Default Punctuation field on the Pagination tab.



If none of this is helpful, please post the exact format definition of the 
cross-reference, as well as the numbering properties of the 
paragraph being referenced. That might elicit some better answers for you.



HTH,

Mike


Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 15:03:37 +1030
Subject: removal of inline heading punctuation from x-ref
From: robnurflu...@gmail.com
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com

Hi folks,
We have run into an interesting problem here with some cross references. They 
all refer to paragraph numbers, but where the paragraph has an inline heading, 
the full stop punctuation is added to the end of the paragraph number. Does 
anyone know a way around this. Frame version 7.2


Cheers
Rob Wallis 


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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Alan Houser]

If you check the PDF properties of Apple's documentation, you will find 
that a surprising number are authored and published in FrameMaker 7. 
InDesign CS3 is also popular there.

And the TechCrunch blog recently forecast that Apple-based readers will 
outnumber Windows-based readers by the end of 2012.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/27/apple-versus-microsoft-share/

I know the "FrameMaker on Mac" horse was beaten to death long ago, but 
perhaps it's time for Adobe to consider reviving the horse...

-Alan
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www.groupwellesley.com


On 3/1/2011 8:18 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
> At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote:
>
>> Are others in the same boat?
>> Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a 
>> later point upgrading again?
> Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck.
>

So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 09:44 -0500 1/3/11, Alan Houser wrote:

>I know the "FrameMaker on Mac" horse was beaten to death long ago, but perhaps 
>it's time for Adobe to consider reviving the horse...

Indeed it was. In my dreams, Apple buys Adobe and forces them to revive it.

-- 
Steve

framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24

[Jeff Coatsworth]

 Yes FM can do all this - save as MIF, open MIF and save as FM binary

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Dear Sir,

Is there any conversion tool for converting FM to MIF and MIF to FM?

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   1. Re: OT: Translation cost comparison (beth.tripp at verizon.net)
   2. RE: OT: Translation cost comparison (Alison Craig)
   3. RE: Translation cost comparison (Bill Nilson)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:52:24 -0600 (CST)
From: beth.tr...@verizon.net
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Translation cost comparison
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It is not the word count but the amount of time to "round trip" the
document, engineering costs from Frame to xml and back. The second part of
that is the DTP. Frame does a cleaner round-trip than word so less DTP time
for cleaning up the formatting.

I hope that helps. We translate into 29 languages where I work and we cut
the cost by about 30 to 50% using Frame and that was before we switched to
DITA.

Just my .02,

Beth





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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:16:18 -0800
From: Alison Craig 
To: "beth.tripp at verizon.net" ,
"framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Subject: RE: OT: Translation cost comparison
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Actually, in my case, I was only talking about word cost. This was borne out
by the detailed quotes I received. Other fees were accounted for under
different line items (any reputable LSP should do it this way so you can see
what is involved in a job and what the associated costs are).

I also did a large RFQ about 15 months ago with 11 different ISO qualified,
medical device LSPs and even though they were all given *exactly* the same
set of directions, the same TM and the same FM-based file set, the word
counts were all over the place. Counts for New Words alone ranged from a low
of 27,863 to a high of 36,305. That kind of discrepancy adds up quickly. 

FYI: The MS Word equivalent number was 28,239.

Alison


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Sent: February 24, 2011 12:52 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Translation cost comparison

It is not the word count but the amount of time to "round trip" the
document, engineering costs from Frame to xml and back. The second part of
that is the DTP. Frame does a cleaner round-trip than word so less DTP time
for cleaning up the formatting.

I hope that helps. We translate into 29 languages where I work and we cut
the cost by about 30 to 50% using Frame and that was before we switched to
DITA.

Just my .02,

Beth





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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:26:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Nilson 
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Subject: RE: Translation cost comparison
Message-ID: <276751.74066.qm at 

FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)

[Fred Ridder]

t is the DTP. Frame does a cleaner round-trip than word so less DTP time
> for cleaning up the formatting.
> 
> I hope that helps. We translate into 29 languages where I work and we cut
> the cost by about 30 to 50% using Frame and that was before we switched to
> DITA.
> 
> Just my .02,
> 
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> 
> Some translation houses charge extra for delivery in an additional output
> format besides the translated Frame files. Some years ago I had an estimate
> that included an extra 1K for a PDF manual but decided to create the PDF
> myself. In my case, it was for Japanese. If you're resourceful and it's
> convenient, you can install the appropriate version of Frame for your target
> language, get a native speaker to help you with the Frame menus, and create
> the PDF yourself to save the extra charges.
> 
> -Bill
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> 
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Roy Lewis  wrote:
> 
> > I apologize for going off topic but can anyone point to figures that
> > compares translation costs for Framemaker documents compared to MSWord
> > documents. Someone told me Frame was generally cheaper, but they could not
> > supply a source for the data.
> > Thanks,
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CMYK coming out as Spot

[White, Scott]

Well I thought I had my color issue solved. I was having my pantone
color come out as spot when reviewed in acrobat. I had the color in the
table and I discovered that the table treats my pantone as a spot.
So now I have a bleed running on the right of my right-hand pages. And
now my pantone is again coming out as spot instead of cmyk.
I checked my color settings yet again and my pantone 165cvu is set
correctly. But frame thinks otherwise. Any suggestions yet again would
be helpful.

Mac OSX running parallels with windows 7 Home, Framemaker 9.0.

Scott White
Manager - Content and Print Media
Belmont, NC - 704-398-5752


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FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)

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Oops, forgot to delete the digest content myself. Sorry about that!

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From: docu...@hotmail.com
To: venkatesh.s at newgenimaging.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:46:17 -0500




FrameMaker itself does both of these conversions on a file-by-file basis. If 
you need to do the conversion for all files in a book at the same time, you 
should look at Mif2Go from Omni Systems, which does many other things besides 
this particular conversion.

And as a matter of etiquette, in the future it would be good if you change the 
digest subject line to someting that relates to your query, and that you delete 
the digest from the bottom of your posting. In reality, it's probably easier 
for you to simply compose a brand-new message and send it to framers at 
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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Owen, Clint]

Carrie,

We are in the same boat. We are currently using FM 7.0 and the company
is pretty tight-fisted when it comes to software. We bought one FM 9
upgrade for evaluation, as it turns out, a week before FM 10 was
released. 

You can't upgrade to FM 8 or 9, except if you get lucky on eBay. Our
software supplier originally told us that 10 copies of 9 were available
a week after the release of 10, but that turned out not to be true.

If you want to get the latest version, you have to spring for the full
version of FM 10.

Clint

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carrie Baker
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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?


I am in a small company with not really any justification to move to
Frame 8 or 9. Frame7 seems sufficient for what we need, and they do have
quite a tight budget.
However, now I understand that even if I want to, moving to Frame 10 is
not an upgrade, but purchase a new license.

Are others in the same boat?
Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at
a later point upgrading again?

-- 
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MIFs, Frame 7 and Frame 9

[Dr Rick Smith]

Here's an example:

I did both the writing and compositing on my previous book, published with a 
different publisher. My current publisher insists on using their own 
compositor. The one they hired uses Frame 7. So I've taken my Frame 9 files, 
saved them all as Frame 7 MIFs, including the book file, and submitted them to 
the publisher. I also took the MIFs and re-imported them to ensure that I still 
have the same content.

Till I watched discussions here, I hadn't realized how many folks still stand 
by Frame 7.

For all I know, the compositor is on this discussion list.

Rick.

Re FM-MIF-FM conversion [WAS Re: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24]

[Stuart Rogers]

On 28/02/2011 1:00 AM, Venkan wrote:
> Dear Sir,
>
> Is there any conversion tool for converting FM to MIF and MIF to FM?
>
> Venkan
> Newgen Knowledge Works  (P) Limited
>
> India - Tamil Nadu - Chennai
> (o) +914424495057 | (m) +919791040282

Mif2Go (including the free demo version, I believe) has a "wash via MIF" 
command that will do what you want.  www.omsys.com

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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Carrie Baker]

I do not know if it is altogether a bad thing to be using Frame 7. I sort of
just wanted to know that other people are also using Frame of that vintage.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Alan Houser  wrote:

> If you check the PDF properties of Apple's documentation, you will find
> that a surprising number are authored and published in FrameMaker 7.
> InDesign CS3 is also popular there.
>
> And the TechCrunch blog recently forecast that Apple-based readers will
> outnumber Windows-based readers by the end of 2012.
> http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/27/apple-versus-microsoft-share/
>
> I know the "FrameMaker on Mac" horse was beaten to death long ago, but
> perhaps it's time for Adobe to consider reviving the horse...
>
> -Alan
> ---
>
> Alan Houser, President
> Group Wellesley, Inc.
> 412-363-3481
> www.groupwellesley.com
>
>
>
> On 3/1/2011 8:18 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
>
>> At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote:
>>
>> Are others in the same boat?
>>> Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at
>>> a later point upgrading again?
>>>
>> Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck.
>>
>>


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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Susan Modlin]

Hi Carrie,

I'm lodged on Frame 7.2 by choice. There have been no bells and whistles in the 
more recent releases that gave me anything I felt I needed for my very small 
department of one. I've been using Frame since 2.1 and have a strong partiality 
for the Frame interface vs. the Adobe one, so that was even more incentive to 
stay where I am. I suppose I'll need to upgrade some day, but for now, I'm fine 
where I am. 


...Susan






From: Carrie Baker <carrie...@gmail.com>
To: Alan Houser 
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 9:14:22 AM
Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

I do not know if it is altogether a bad thing to be using Frame 7. I sort of 
just wanted to know that other people are also using Frame of that vintage.


On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Alan Houser  wrote:

If you check the PDF properties of Apple's documentation, you will find that a 
surprising number are authored and published in FrameMaker 7. InDesign CS3 is 
also popular there.
>
>And the TechCrunch blog recently forecast that Apple-based readers will 
>outnumber Windows-based readers by the end of 2012.
>http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/27/apple-versus-microsoft-share/
>
>I know the "FrameMaker on Mac" horse was beaten to death long ago, but perhaps 
>it's time for Adobe to consider reviving the horse...
>
>-Alan
>---
>
>Alan Houser, President
>Group Wellesley, Inc.
>412-363-3481
>www.groupwellesley.com 
>
>
>
>On 3/1/2011 8:18 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
>
>At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote:
>>
>>
>>Are others in the same boat?
>>>Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a 
>>>later 
>>>point upgrading again?
>>>Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck.
>
>


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FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:46:17 -0500, Fred Ridder 
 wrote:

>FrameMaker itself does both of these conversions on a 
>file-by-file basis. If you need to do the conversion 
>for all files in a book at the same time, you should 
>look at Mif2Go from Omni Systems, which does many 
>other things besides this particular conversion.

Note that this function in Mif2Go, File > Wash via MIF,
works just fine in the demo version (as do several other
helpful utilities).  No need to purchase Mif2Go for this 
use case, just download and run the free demo version:
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Fei Min Lorente]

Yes, I'm in the same boat: FrameMaker 7.2. But I don't see an upgrade
path to 9 and then 10. I think that to even buy 9 now, you'd have to pay
for a full license for 10 and downgrade. We're just going to have to
bite the bullet.

Fei Min Lorente

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Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Carrie Baker; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote:

>Are others in the same boat?
>Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then
at a later point upgrading again?

Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck.

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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Scott Prentice]

If there's no business or functional reason to upgrade, why bother? At 
this point you're stuck paying the full price for an upgrade, so if FM7 
provides everything that you need I'd hold out as long as possible. I 
think that there are plenty of people on FM7 and earlier who are 
perfectly happy with the features provided.

Don't tell Adobe I said that though.  :o

There are some useful and cool features in some of the newer versions .. 
but if you're not going to use them, why spend the money?

Cheers,

...scott


Carrie Baker wrote:
> I am in a small company with not really any justification to move to 
> Frame 8 or 9. Frame7 seems sufficient for what we need, and they do 
> have quite a tight budget.
> However, now I understand that even if I want to, moving to Frame 10 
> is not an upgrade, but purchase a new license.
>  
> Are others in the same boat?
> Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then 
> at a later point upgrading again?
>
> -- 
> Carrie Baker
> carriebak at gmail.com 
> 
>
>   

So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Böðvar Björgvinsson]

7.2 here. FM10 has not really met my needs (spellchecking and hyphenation in
Icelandic), so I can just as well continue with 7.2 until FM breaks free of
the bonds that is keeping them from expanding these tools to other languages
than the few they are supporting.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Iceland


2011/3/1 Carrie Baker 

> I am in a small company with not really any justification to move to Frame
> 8 or 9. Frame7 seems sufficient for what we need, and they do have quite a
> tight budget.
> However, now I understand that even if I want to, moving to Frame 10 is not
> an upgrade, but purchase a new license.
>
> Are others in the same boat?
> Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a
> later point upgrading again?
>
> --
> Carrie Baker
> carriebak at gmail.com
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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Rick Quatro]

I agree with Scott. For me, FrameMaker 8 is the gold standard. It supports
Unicode, but is not encumbered by the new interface and slow performance of
FrameMaker 9 (the Windows Millennium version of FrameMaker :-)). FrameMaker
10 is better than 9, but, as Scott said, only upgrade if you need some of
the new features.

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585-659-8267
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If there's no business or functional reason to upgrade, why bother? At 
this point you're stuck paying the full price for an upgrade, so if FM7 
provides everything that you need I'd hold out as long as possible. I 
think that there are plenty of people on FM7 and earlier who are 
perfectly happy with the features provided.

Don't tell Adobe I said that though.  :o

There are some useful and cool features in some of the newer versions .. 
but if you're not going to use them, why spend the money?

Cheers,

...scott

FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Hi, Jeremy.

Hmmm ... does the demo version of MIF2GO not jabberwocky the text a bit? :)



Or is "MIF washing" considered a freebie that you are willing to let people do 
indefinitely? Thanks much, if so!



(ala the FrameMaker LITE discussion), have you ever considered a low-cost (or 
freebie - I hope) LITE version for those of us who do not need the full power 
of MIF2GO and cannot get the justification for buying that?

Thanks!



Z



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:02 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)



On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:46:17 -0500, Fred Ridder mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com>> wrote:



>FrameMaker itself does both of these conversions on a file-by-file

>basis. If you need to do the conversion for all files in a book at the

>same time, you should look at Mif2Go from Omni Systems, which does many

>other things besides this particular conversion.



Note that this function in Mif2Go, File > Wash via MIF, works just fine in the 
demo version (as do several other helpful utilities).  No need to purchase 
Mif2Go for this use case, just download and run the free demo version:

  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm



HTH!



-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.

  mailto:jeremy at omsys.com>>  http://www.omsys.com/
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FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:17:26 -0800, "Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)"  wrote:

>Hmmm ... does the demo version of MIF2GO not jabberwocky 
>the text a bit? :)

Not for MIF wash, or export graphics, or saving as
MIF for a full book (without breaking the links)...
only for HTML, XML, and RTF outputs.

>Or is "MIF washing" considered a freebie that you are 
>willing to let people do indefinitely? Thanks much, if so!

You're welcome!  ;-)

>(ala the FrameMaker LITE discussion), have you ever considered 
>a low-cost (or freebie - I hope) LITE version for those of us 
>who do not need the full power of MIF2GO and cannot get the 
>justification for buying that?

No.  I don't like "crippleware", where features are
removed to maintain sales value in the more complete
product.  The Jabberwocky is as close as we'll come
to that.

Basically, we *already* give Mif2Go away to anyone who 
cannot afford it for a good reason, like unemployment.
We see no reason to subsidize greedy corporations where
the savings go into the pocket of an overpaid CEO, and 
do absolutely nothing to help the employees.

Used to be, we gave away one copy for every two or three
we sold.  Last few years, it's ten free for every one sold.
Lots of pain out there these days, and that's where we
choose to put our support.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Identifying copied graphics

[Fred Ridder]

Rick's scripts are fine if the goal is to convert pasted graphics into 
referenced ones. Jeremy's Mif2Go also does that job nicely.

But if the goal is *identifying* graphics, as stated in the subject line, 
neither approach will do the job because FrameMaker does not retain any 
information about the name of the source file. If the objective is being able 
to link to the *original* graphics files, the only solution I'm aware of is 
manual inspection and matching. 

-Fred Ridder

> From: art.campbell at gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:34:34 -0500
> Subject: Re: Identifying copied graphics
> To: maker at verizon.net
> CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> Rick Quatro has a lovely set of scripts that identify copied in
> graphics, save them out as graphic files, and reimport them as
> referenced graphics
> 
> Cuts the operation down from weeks to a few minutes.
> 
> Art Campbell
>   art.campbell at gmail.com
>   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>   No disclaimers apply.
>DoD 358
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Nancy Allison  wrote:
> > Hi, all.
> >
> > I've inherited a FrameMaker book with dozens of copied graphics. I've got 
> > to identify them and import them properly, but doing the job manually will 
> > take way too long. I hoped that saving to .mif would give me the names of 
> > the copied files, but it doesn't.
> >
> > At http://www.microtype.com/resources/FM_utilities.pdf I found one utility 
> > called TOOLBOX Package 3 that can do it, but the price is too high.
> >
> > Do you know of any other way to identify the copied graphics?
> >
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Fonts not found

[Anthony Davey]

Hi All,

Help please. Trialling Frame 10 in TCS3 on XP SP3.  From Frame 10, using a 
template built in 8, I can display our corporate logo font in the Frame docs, 
but when I use Distiller to Save as PDF... the typeface changes to Times New 
Roman.

The corporate face is AG Book Rounded.  In the Frame paragraph designer this 
displays as 'AG Book Rounded Medium'; but in C:\Windows\Fonts the nearest 
equivalent is 'AGBookRounded-Medium (OpenType)'.

However, this doesn't seem to be the cause, or at least not all of it.  I tried 
substituting 'Myriad Pro' (name in paragraph designer - which is an Adobe 
supplied typeface, admittedly), the equivalent of which in C:/Windows/Fonts is 
'MyriadPro-[VariantName] (OpenType)' and this did not get substituted.

I've reinstalled Acrobat and Frame since importing the fonts into 
C:/Windows/Fonts and the fonts all show up in the Frame fonts list, so it must 
be a foible of Acrobat X, mustn't it?

This is the corporate typeface for titles of publications so it's a bit 
important that I resolve this soon.

Many thanks for any help you can give.

Best regards,
Ant

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flattening vector graphics

[hessiansx4]

Does anyone know of a method to flatten/reduce file size of?a .cgm file (and 
still maintain it as a .cgm file)? Thanks.

CMYK coming out as Spot

[Outlaw, Cathy]

We use Enfocus PitStop (plug-in for Acrobat Pro) to color-correct those spot 
colors in the PDF.

Cathy Outlaw
Technical Communicator

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Well I thought I had my color issue solved. I was having my pantone
color come out as spot when reviewed in acrobat. I had the color in the
table and I discovered that the table treats my pantone as a spot.
So now I have a bleed running on the right of my right-hand pages. And
now my pantone is again coming out as spot instead of cmyk.
I checked my color settings yet again and my pantone 165cvu is set
correctly. But frame thinks otherwise. Any suggestions yet again would
be helpful.

Mac OSX running parallels with windows 7 Home, Framemaker 9.0.

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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Ragnar Hanås]

7.2 was fine for me until I upgraded to Windows 7. I then began to
experience a lot of crashes, most of them when highlighting text or moving
borders of frames. Adobe wouldn?t upgrade to FM9 when I tried 2 days after
the release of FM10 (FM10 wasn?t even available in Sweden at that time), but
I was lucky enough to get hold of an unopened FM9 box at a very good price
via Blocket.se

Ragnar Hanas

Uddevalla Hospital

Sweden



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Bj?rgvinsson
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 7:42 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Carrie Baker
Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?



7.2 here. FM10 has not really met my needs (spellchecking and hyphenation in
Icelandic), so I can just as well continue with 7.2 until FM breaks free of
the bonds that is keeping them from expanding these tools to other languages
than the few they are supporting.



Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

Iceland



2011/3/1 Carrie Baker 

I am in a small company with not really any justification to move to Frame 8
or 9. Frame7 seems sufficient for what we need, and they do have quite a
tight budget.

However, now I understand that even if I want to, moving to Frame 10 is not
an upgrade, but purchase a new license.



Are others in the same boat?

Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a
later point upgrading again?

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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Writer]

Maybe it's time for someone to build a whole new mousetrap.

Nadine

--- On Tue, 3/1/11, Jeremy H. Griffith  wrote:

> From: Jeremy H. Griffith 
> Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?
> To: "'Framers'" 
> Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 5:24 PM
> On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:23:06 -0500,
> "Rick Quatro" 
> 
> wrote:
> 
> >I agree with Scott. For me, FrameMaker 8 is the gold
> standard. It supports
> >Unicode, 
> 
> I agree.? I use FM 8 myself, and our pubs manager uses
> 7.0.
> If you don't need Unicode, there's no reason to go past 7.
> And if you do need Unicode, there's no reason to go past
> 8.
> 
> >but is not encumbered by the new interface and slow
> performance of
> >FrameMaker 9 (the Windows Millennium version of
> FrameMaker :-)). FrameMaker
> >10 is better than 9, but, as Scott said, only upgrade
> if you need some of
> >the new features.
> 
> *What* new features The majority of those claimed
> are, IMHO, hype.? Some don't work at all (the "new"
> CMYK
> support), others (like DITA) are far better supported by
> much less expensive third-party software (DITA-FMx).
> 
> And one of the elephants in the living room is that there
> is *no* FDK support for the new UI, making it very hard 
> for any third-party app to play nice with 9 and 10.?
> The
> FDK still has the docs for 7.0, the last time any real
> engineering occurred, IMHO.? You know, before they
> fired 
> the surviving staff from Frame Tech so as to make more
> money by outsourcing "development" to India.?
> 
> 
> I'm just sad that the product I've appreciated, supported,
> and recommended since version 3.0 has come to this...
> 
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FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Hi, Jeremy,

In the past, I have noted your generosity and appreciate your assistance to 
people in need!

Fortunately (touch wood!), I have not taken advantage of it, since I have 
stayed employed over the years. And, unfortunately, I cannot justify purchasing 
the full MIF2GO for my employer, since my need for its capabilities is quite 
minimal. Someday though ... :)

So, yes, a freebie MIF Wash capability makes me quite happy, since I have had 
to do that manually on occasion to clean misbehaving .FM files.

And, your option for this wash makes it far more simple to do (I assume I can 
do it to the entire book - all files contained in it - just as simply?)

Regards and thanks again!

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:57 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)

On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:17:26 -0800, "Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at 
aeris.net)"  wrote:

>Hmmm ... does the demo version of MIF2GO not jabberwocky the text a bit? :)

Not for MIF wash, or export graphics, or saving as MIF for a full book (without 
breaking the links) ... only for HTML, XML, and RTF outputs.

>Or is "MIF washing" considered a freebie that you are willing to let people do 
>indefinitely? Thanks much, if so!

You're welcome!  ;-)

>(ala the FrameMaker LITE discussion), have you ever considered a  low-cost (or 
>freebie - I hope) LITE version for those of us who do not  need the full power 
>of MIF2GO and cannot get the justification for buying that?

No.  I don't like "crippleware", where features are removed to maintain sales 
value in the more complete product.  The Jabberwocky is as close as we'll come 
to that.

Basically, we *already* give Mif2Go away to anyone who cannot afford it for a 
good reason, like unemployment.
We see no reason to subsidize greedy corporations where the savings go into the 
pocket of an overpaid CEO, and do absolutely nothing to help the employees.

Used to be, we gave away one copy for every two or three we sold.  Last few 
years, it's ten free for every one sold.
Lots of pain out there these days, and that's where we choose to put our 
support.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:48:12 -0800, "Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)"  wrote:

>And, your option for this wash makes it far more simple 
>to do (I assume I can do it to the entire book - all 
>files contained in it - just as simply?)

Yes, just do the usual SHIFT-File, from the book, to 
get the version of the File menu that acts on all files
in the book.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Fei Min Lorente]

I'm looking at buying the latest version because our company is moving
everyone to Windows 7, and FrameMaker 7.2 isn't supported on that OS. It
doesn't mean it won't work, but our management prefers to play it safe.



Fei Min Lorente



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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carrie Baker
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:14 PM
To: Alan Houser
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?



I do not know if it is altogether a bad thing to be using Frame 7. I
sort of just wanted to know that other people are also using Frame of
that vintage.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Alan Houser 
wrote:

If you check the PDF properties of Apple's documentation, you will find
that a surprising number are authored and published in FrameMaker 7.
InDesign CS3 is also popular there.

And the TechCrunch blog recently forecast that Apple-based readers will
outnumber Windows-based readers by the end of 2012.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/27/apple-versus-microsoft-share/

I know the "FrameMaker on Mac" horse was beaten to death long ago, but
perhaps it's time for Adobe to consider reviving the horse...

-Alan
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On 3/1/2011 8:18 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:

At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote:

Are others in the same boat?
Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at
a later point upgrading again?

Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck.




-- 
Carrie Baker
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FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Fantastic!

Thanks,

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 5:20 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)

On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:48:12 -0800, "Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at 
aeris.net)"  wrote:

>And, your option for this wash makes it far more simple to do (I assume 
>I can do it to the entire book - all files contained in it - just as 
>simply?)

Yes, just do the usual SHIFT-File, from the book, to get the version of the 
File menu that acts on all files in the book.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Linking from Visio diagrams to FM files (final deliverable is a PDF)

[Spectrum Writing]

I want to modify some Visio diagrams and in this modification, include a
link from different parts of the diagram to different locations in
Framemaker files. The Visio diagrams will be in files that are in the same
book as the files to which I want to link. The final deliverable will be a
PDF. Is this even possible?

Thanks,

TVB

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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Dov Isaacs]

Please note that upgrades to FrameMaker 9 were no longer available from Adobe 
as of the day of release of FrameMaker 10. The only way to upgrade to 
FrameMaker 9 would be to find a legal copy of a FrameMaker 9 upgrade that is 
still on some reseller's shelf. And since you typically did not see such 
upgrade packages in the normal distribution channel (usually they were special 
ordered directly from Adobe), it is very unlikely you'll find one out there. 
Also be aware that one cannot sell a used upgrade package by itself.

- Dov

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carrie Baker
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 3:25 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

I am in a small company with not really any justification to move to Frame 8 or 
9. Frame7 seems sufficient for what we need, and they do have quite a tight 
budget.
However, now I understand that even if I want to, moving to Frame 10 is not an 
upgrade, but purchase a new license.

Are others in the same boat?
Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a 
later point upgrading again?

--
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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Dov Isaacs]

No one from Adobe is "forcing" you to upgrade!  :)

On the other hand, don't expect support for newer versions of Windows and 
interoperability with new versions of both Adobe and non-Adobe applications 
with four version old software.

If your self-contained environment needs no more than what FrameMaker 7 offers, 
stay with it. Note that there are still some tech writing organizations running 
Windows NT 4 systems with FrameMaker 5.5.6 or 6.0.

- Dov

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:01 AM
To: Carrie Baker; 'Framers'
Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?


If there's no business or functional reason to upgrade, why bother? At

this point you're stuck paying the full price for an upgrade, so if FM7

provides everything that you need I'd hold out as long as possible. I

think that there are plenty of people on FM7 and earlier who are

perfectly happy with the features provided.



Don't tell Adobe I said that though.  :o



There are some useful and cool features in some of the newer versions ..

but if you're not going to use them, why spend the money?



Cheers,



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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Dov Isaacs]

Will never happen, either or both!


At 09:44 -0500 1/3/11, Alan Houser wrote:



Indeed it was. In my dreams, Apple buys Adobe and forces them to revive it.



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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Carrie Baker]

I am in a small company with not really any justification to move to Frame 8
or 9. Frame7 seems sufficient for what we need, and they do have quite a
tight budget.
However, now I understand that even if I want to, moving to Frame 10 is not
an upgrade, but purchase a new license.

Are others in the same boat?
Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a
later point upgrading again?

-- 
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carriebak at gmail.com
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