Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files

[Peter Schorer]

A couple of days ago I found out that hundreds of the old Frame files I had
always been able to open through several versions of Frame, can no longer be
opened in Frame 11.  This has been confirmed by two Frame 11 experts.  For
me in my work, this is nothing short of a catastrophe.

 

Incredibly -- yet this too has been confirmed by Frame 11 experts -- those
old files have been converted into Microsoft Word files!  That wasn't done
by me, since I have never used MS Word in my life, and have certainly never
converted a Frame file into an MS Word file.

 

I can't possibly be the only long-time Frame user who has made this shocking
discovery.  Adobe/Frame management could fix the problem by simply allowing
all those old files to be opened as Text files.  This is how I always opened
them in the past.

 

Needless to say, prior to my buying Frame 11 last fall, Frame 11 Sales
mentioned not a word about old Frame files no longer being accessible.

 

I would like to hear from anyone who has run into this major problem. 

 

-- Peter Schorer

 

 

 

 

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Re: Does a FrameMaker Reader/Viewer exist?

[B2Streamlines/Bill Bunny Kuhlman]

Graeme,

We're running FrameMaker 7 Mac on a MacBook Pro 17 using SheepShaver. 
Works very well.


There is a very active Yahoo! group wordperfectmac which offers 
SheepShaver install packages and information on more elaborate 
install packages with WordPerfect included. It's not at all hard to 
add the FrameMaker 7 app to that environment. Not an exceptional 
solution, but a viable work-around.


Hope that helps.


It does now. I can't open any of my 14 years worth of FM docs on the 
Macs I spend most of my time on nowadays. Something like FrameViewer 
would be very useful, just to remind myself of the content of the 
docs. Not that I have the slightest expectation of Adobe ever 
considering such a product.



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RE: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Peter,

 

You don't say how old, but I just opened a FrameMaker 6 file with FrameMaker
11 with no problem. And FrameMaker files don't just convert themselves to
Word files. I don't know who the experts are, but I think you are getting
bad information. If you send me one of the documents off-list, I will try to
open it here.

 

Rick

 

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Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-283-5045

r...@frameexpert.com

 

 

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Schorer
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 4:25 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files

 

A couple of days ago I found out that hundreds of the old Frame files I had
always been able to open through several versions of Frame, can no longer be
opened in Frame 11.  This has been confirmed by two Frame 11 experts.  For
me in my work, this is nothing short of a catastrophe.

 

Incredibly -- yet this too has been confirmed by Frame 11 experts -- those
old files have been converted into Microsoft Word files!  That wasn't done
by me, since I have never used MS Word in my life, and have certainly never
converted a Frame file into an MS Word file.

 

I can't possibly be the only long-time Frame user who has made this shocking
discovery.  Adobe/Frame management could fix the problem by simply allowing
all those old files to be opened as Text files.  This is how I always opened
them in the past.

 

Needless to say, prior to my buying Frame 11 last fall, Frame 11 Sales
mentioned not a word about old Frame files no longer being accessible.

 

I would like to hear from anyone who has run into this major problem. 

 

-- Peter Schorer

 

 

 

 

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RE: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Peter,

I have no trouble opening old FM files in version 11 ... including a very old 
FM version 3 file that someone had sent out on the list last year!

Also, I quickly tried opening a few FM 6, and 8 files that I have here and 
there was no trouble - yes, it offered to convert them as usual, but no 
problems opening them.

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Re: Does a FrameMaker Reader/Viewer exist?

[Alan T Litchfield]

What files are you trying to open on Windows. The Resource Fork or the 
Data Fork?


It is possible that the two parts of the Mac file have become separated 
on Windows and you are trying to open the file that contains no data.


Alan

On 10/03/13 9:23 AM, Graeme R Forbes wrote:

So FrameViewer didn't seem to serve any useful purpose.


It does now. I can't open any of my 14 years worth of FM docs on the Macs I 
spend most of my time on nowadays. Something like FrameViewer would be very 
useful, just to remind myself of the content of the docs. Not that I have the 
slightest expectation of Adobe ever considering such a product.

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Re: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files

[Matt Sullivan]

I'm sure that Adobe sales didn't mention it because they truly believe that 
this is NOT an issue!

Do you have any of your alert messages suppressed in the Preferences?

To add to what Rick and Syed said, I have *never* seen an FM file that will not 
open into a later version of FM.

In fact, I use files in training classes that are installed with FM 11 install. 
 The files date back at least to FM 5.1. I often pull in files from FM5 through 
FM 10 for current FM 11 clients. Always successful.

Please let everyone know if you find folks who experience this problem. My 
prediction is that you find the issue is with something other than FM11 itself. 


-Matt

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phone: 714 960-6840 

On Mar 9, 2013, at 1:25 AM, Peter Schorer petescho...@gmail.com wrote:

 Needless to say, prior to my buying Frame 11 last fall, Frame 11 Sales 
 mentioned not a word about old Frame files no longer being accessible.
  
 I would like to hear from anyone who has run into this major problem.

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Re: Does a FrameMaker Reader/Viewer exist?

[Alan T Litchfield]

Oh right, yes. :}

I read 14 years worth of FM docs on the Macs and skipped over spend 
most of my time on nowadays. Inference, 14 years of Mac files :D


hahaha

Alan


On 11/03/13 9:37 AM, Fred Ridder wrote:

I think you may be misinterpreting Graeme's situation, Alan.
I think what he is saying is that he has 14 years worth of Windows (and
maybe even UNIX) FrameMaker files that he'd like to be able to look at
from his current Mac environment. Because FrameViewer is long gone, and
FrameMaker stopped supporting Mac as of v7.0, he really has no
convenient (or affordable, considering the current price of
FrameMaker...) way to do that.

-FR

  Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:46:07 +1300
  From: a...@alphabyte.co.nz
  To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: Re: Does a FrameMaker Reader/Viewer exist?
 
  What files are you trying to open on Windows. The Resource Fork or the
  Data Fork?
 
  It is possible that the two parts of the Mac file have become separated
  on Windows and you are trying to open the file that contains no data.
 
  Alan
 
  On 10/03/13 9:23 AM, Graeme R Forbes wrote:
   So FrameViewer didn't seem to serve any useful purpose.
  
   It does now. I can't open any of my 14 years worth of FM docs on
the Macs I spend most of my time on nowadays. Something like FrameViewer
would be very useful, just to remind myself of the content of the docs.
Not that I have the slightest expectation of Adobe ever considering such
a product.
  
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RE: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Hi, Peter, et. al.

For reference, I have just checked and opened one FM 3 file, and many FM 5 
(from mid-to-end nineteen nineties), 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 files without any 
problems.

With two types of notifications (that did not change the outcome really):


-the [common] offer to convert to latest version, and

-a notice about missing some language support for documents (that I had 
received rather than created).

Even these last ones still looked perfectly fine on the screen - at least in 
the English versions I looked at. :)

Z
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Re: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files

[Robert Lauriston]

If a bunch of files that used to be in FrameMaker format are now in
Word format, someone converted them. FM11 has nothing to do with it.

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Peter Schorer petescho...@gmail.com wrote:
 hundreds of the old Frame files ...
 have been converted into Microsoft Word files!  That wasn't done
 by me, since I have never used MS Word in my life, and have certainly never
 converted a Frame file into an MS Word file.
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Re: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files

[Mike Wickham]

FrameMaker 11 is backward compatible with old .FM files and FrameMaker 
doesn't have the capability to create a Word .DOC file. FrameMaker can 
save as a .RTF file, which Word can read-- but various objects and 
FrameMaker features will be lost in translation. Most importantly, 
saving as .RTF won't overwrite the original .FM file. So if your .FM 
files are gone and something is there in their place, blame a human 
being, not FrameMaker.


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Incorporating external documents containing tables, into a book

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Hi John,

In FrameMaker 10 (I'm not sure about previous versions) you can add non fm 
files to a FrameMaker book. They won't take up pagination etc but I think if 
you add a PDF it will be included in the final print. Or did you try that 
already?


Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,

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Information Energy 2013 ? Leading Conference on Innovation in Knowledge and 
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IEn2013

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Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Peter,



You don't say how old, but I just opened a FrameMaker 6 file with FrameMaker
11 with no problem. And FrameMaker files don't just convert themselves to
Word files. I don't know who the "experts" are, but I think you are getting
bad information. If you send me one of the documents off-list, I will try to
open it here.



Rick



Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-283-5045

rick at frameexpert.com







From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Schorer
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 4:25 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files



A couple of days ago I found out that hundreds of the old Frame files I had
always been able to open through several versions of Frame, can no longer be
opened in Frame 11.  This has been confirmed by two Frame 11 experts.  For
me in my work, this is nothing short of a catastrophe.



Incredibly -- yet this too has been confirmed by Frame 11 experts -- those
old files have been converted into Microsoft Word files!  That wasn't done
by me, since I have never used MS Word in my life, and have certainly never
converted a Frame file into an MS Word file.



I can't possibly be the only long-time Frame user who has made this shocking
discovery.  Adobe/Frame management could fix the problem by simply allowing
all those old files to be opened as Text files.  This is how I always opened
them in the past.



Needless to say, prior to my buying Frame 11 last fall, Frame 11 Sales
mentioned not a word about old Frame files no longer being accessible.



I would like to hear from anyone who has run into this major problem. 



-- Peter Schorer









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Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Peter,

I have no trouble opening old FM files in version 11 ... including a very old 
FM version 3 file that someone had sent out on the list last year!

Also, I quickly tried opening a few FM 6, and 8 files that I have here and 
there was no trouble - yes, it offered to convert them as usual, but no 
problems opening them.

Z
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Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files

[Matt Sullivan]

I'm sure that Adobe sales didn't mention it because they truly believe that 
this is NOT an issue!

Do you have any of your alert messages suppressed in the Preferences?

To add to what Rick and Syed said, I have *never* seen an FM file that will not 
open into a later version of FM.

In fact, I use files in training classes that are installed with FM 11 install. 
 The files date back at least to FM 5.1. I often pull in files from FM5 through 
FM 10 for current FM 11 clients. Always successful.

Please let everyone know if you find folks who experience this problem. My 
prediction is that you find the issue is with something other than FM11 itself. 


-Matt

Matt Sullivan 
technical communication | online training | eLearning

twitter: @mattrsullivan
phone: 714 960-6840 

On Mar 9, 2013, at 1:25 AM, "Peter Schorer"  wrote:

> Needless to say, prior to my buying Frame 11 last fall, Frame 11 Sales 
> mentioned not a word about old Frame files no longer being accessible.
>  
> I would like to hear from anyone who has run into this major problem.

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Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files

[Matt Sullivan]

Peter, do these files still open into the previous version of FrameMaker? And 
what version/platform is that?


-Matt

Matt Sullivan 
technical communication | online training | eLearning

twitter: @mattrsullivan
phone: 714 960-6840 

On Mar 9, 2013, at 1:25 AM, "Peter Schorer"  wrote:

> A couple of days ago I found out that hundreds of the old Frame files I had 
> always been able to open through several versions of Frame, can no longer be 
> opened in Frame 11.  This has been confirmed by two Frame 11 experts.  For me 
> in my work, this is nothing short of a catastrophe.
>  
> Incredibly -- yet this too has been confirmed by Frame 11 experts -- those 
> old files have been converted into Microsoft Word files!  That wasn't done by 
> me, since I have never used MS Word in my life, and have certainly never 
> converted a Frame file into an MS Word file.
>  
> I can't possibly be the only long-time Frame user who has made this shocking 
> discovery.  Adobe/Frame management could fix the problem by simply allowing 
> all those old files to be opened as Text files.  This is how I always opened 
> them in the past.
>  
> Needless to say, prior to my buying Frame 11 last fall, Frame 11 Sales 
> mentioned not a word about old Frame files no longer being accessible.
>  
> I would like to hear from anyone who has run into this major problem.
>  
> -- Peter Schorer
>  
>  
>  
>  
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[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Hi, Peter, et. al.

For reference, I have just checked and opened one FM 3 file, and many FM 5 
(from mid-to-end nineteen nineties), 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 files without any 
problems.

With two types of notifications (that did not change the outcome really):


-the [common] offer to convert to latest version, and

-a notice about missing some language support for documents (that I had 
received rather than created).

Even these last ones still looked perfectly fine on the screen - at least in 
the English versions I looked at. :)

Z
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Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files

[Robert Lauriston]

If a bunch of files that used to be in FrameMaker format are now in
Word format, someone converted them. FM11 has nothing to do with it.

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Peter Schorer  wrote:
> hundreds of the old Frame files ...
> have been converted into Microsoft Word files!  That wasn't done
> by me, since I have never used MS Word in my life, and have certainly never
> converted a Frame file into an MS Word file.

Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files

[Mike Wickham]

FrameMaker 11 is backward compatible with old .FM files and FrameMaker 
doesn't have the capability to create a Word .DOC file. FrameMaker can 
save as a .RTF file, which Word can read-- but various objects and 
FrameMaker features will be lost in translation. Most importantly, 
saving as .RTF won't overwrite the original .FM file. So if your .FM 
files are gone and something is there in their place, blame a human 
being, not FrameMaker.

Mike Wickham

5. Frame 11 catastrophe, framers Digest, Vol 89, Issue 10

[Robert Leif]

This example demonstrates that Frame needs to use a standard format. I
suggest EPUB using XHTML5 and CSS3. Adobe might be pleasantly surprised that
they could successfully compete against Microsoft Word. This leads to the
question of what are the capabilities of Frame 11 to import XML schemas
written in XSD.
Bob Leif
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 01:25:04 -0800
From: "Peter Schorer" 
To: 
Subject: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files
Message-ID: <004601ce1ca7$fcadae40$f6090ac0$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

A couple of days ago I found out that hundreds of the old Frame files I had
always been able to open through several versions of Frame, can no longer be
opened in Frame 11.  This has been confirmed by two Frame 11 experts.  For
me in my work, this is nothing short of a catastrophe.



Incredibly -- yet this too has been confirmed by Frame 11 experts -- those
old files have been converted into Microsoft Word files!  That wasn't done
by me, since I have never used MS Word in my life, and have certainly never
converted a Frame file into an MS Word file.



I can't possibly be the only long-time Frame user who has made this shocking
discovery.  Adobe/Frame management could fix the problem by simply allowing
all those old files to be opened as Text files.  This is how I always opened
them in the past.



Needless to say, prior to my buying Frame 11 last fall, Frame 11 Sales
mentioned not a word about old Frame files no longer being accessible.



I would like to hear from anyone who has run into this major problem. 



-- Peter Schorer









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Subject: Re: Does a FrameMaker Reader/Viewer exist?
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Graeme,

We're running FrameMaker 7 Mac on a MacBook Pro 17 using SheepShaver. 
Works very well.

There is a very active Yahoo! group "wordperfectmac" which offers
SheepShaver install packages and information on more elaborate install
packages with WordPerfect included. It's not at all hard to add the
FrameMaker 7 app to that environment. Not an exceptional solution, but a
viable work-around.

Hope that helps.


>It does now. I can't open any of my 14 years worth of FM docs on the 
>Macs I spend most of my time on nowadays. Something like FrameViewer 
>would be very useful, just to remind myself of the content of the docs. 
>Not that I have the slightest expectation of Adobe ever considering 
>such a product.


Bill & Bunny Kuhlman
B2Streamlines
http://www.b2streamlines.com
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Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files

[Maxwell Hoffmann]

FYI -- one of the hallmarks of FrameMaker is the stability of its file format 
over the years. As with the others who have previously posted, I have opened 
very old versions of FrameMaker (e.g. 3.5) in FrameMaker 9 while still in the 
translation industry.

Incidentally, if you take a current or recent version of FrameMaker, you can 
save an unstructured FM doc to MIF, and then open that MIF in an older version 
of FrameMaker. Although you will get many error messages, you will only lose 
any "newer" formatting or doc features not supported in the newer version. The 
document content will remain intact.

Note: save as MIF and opening in an older version is not intended nor supported 
as a "round trip" between versions, but it does work well.

p.s. if the files you were working with are in some sort of *.doc format (Word) 
you may try saving them to RTF, then open that in FrameMaker -- you find that 
it will work better.


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:48 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Frame 11 catastrophe -- unable to open old Frame files

FrameMaker 11 is backward compatible with old .FM files and FrameMaker doesn't 
have the capability to create a Word .DOC file. FrameMaker can save as a .RTF 
file, which Word can read-- but various objects and FrameMaker features will be 
lost in translation. Most importantly, saving as .RTF won't overwrite the 
original .FM file. So if your .FM files are gone and something is there in 
their place, blame a human being, not FrameMaker.

Mike Wickham


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ANN: March 14 Webinar on FrameMaker publishing to tables via TCS defaults

[Maxwell Hoffmann]

TWEET:

March 14 webinar on "Tech Comm Suite "out of the box" publishing HTML5 to 
Tablets via RoboHelp" adobe.ly/Z9FL2L<http://adobe.ly/Z9FL2L>

Several past webinars have focused on the mechanics of setting up a custom 
project with your desired layout and features in RoboHelp 10 for publishing to 
multiscreen HTML5 for tablets and other devices. This webinar will spend some 
time showing just how much you can do via Tech Comm Suite, when publishing from 
FrameMaker source files, with absolutely no set up at all!

When Adobe Tech Comm Suite is installed, special RoboHelp default project files 
are installed within FrameMaker, allowing you to get decent HTML5 output with 
the "publish" function, based on styles established in FrameMaker. Although you 
may wish to customize these built-in files, or build your own RoboHelp project 
to guide layout and formatting, this webinar will show you:


* How styles are auto mapped "out of the box" with the DEFAULT RoboHelp 
project in FrameMaker

* Some document types you may wish to avoid

* How to make allowances for templates defined for paper and PDF when 
using defaults to publish to HTML5 for tablets.

In a nutshell, "you can do it too!"

About the Presenter: Maxwell Hoffmann, Adobe's Global Product Evangelist for 
Tech Comm Suite, has extensive tech comm publishing experience, having worked 
for a variety of publishing vendors and translation agencies before coming on 
board with Adobe. He is a former FrameMaker product marketing manager with 
Frame Technology (before Adobe acquired the product), and has trained over 
1,200 people in scalable publishing solutions over the years.

You can register for this webinar at: http://adobe.ly/Z9FL2L



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Save as PDF hangs FrameMaker 11, with PDF cover art

[Shelly Schneider]

Thank you, Simon! That was exactly the problem! I turned off Microsoft
Security Essentials [MSE] and that solved the problem. I first tried to
disable the Adobe .exe files - that didn't help. I had to disable MSE.  I
did alert the folks I had talked to at Adobe support, so hopefully they can
post something and be able to support customers with this problem in the
future.



I can't imagine how you sleuthed this solution in the first place, but I
sure am glad you did!! Thanks again!  -Shelly



Simon wrote ..
Are you perhaps using Microsoft Security Essentials [MSE] on your
workstation?

I have found from experience with customers that the Microsoft Anti-virus
Solution is way too aggressive, and was causing FrameMaker and/or Acrobat
Distiller to hand while attempting to print any graphics that contained
transparency areas.

If your company has a different Anti-virus suite available, I recommend
uninstalling MSE, and switching.

If you don't have that option, you will need to configure MSE to exclude
processes FrameMaker.exe, and Acrobat.exe, and perhaps add folder exclusion
too.

Regards
// Simon BUCH 





On 06/03/2013 04:56, Shelly Schneider wrote:

I have cover art using a PDF file. The cover bleeds on all edges. I have
been using this from at least Frame 7 up through Frame 10, with no issues.
My company purchased FrameMaker 11 and Acrobat Pro 11 for a new 64 bit
computer.  Frame hangs when I try to Save as PDF or  print to .ps using the
Adobe PDF printer, both with the latest updates.  A one-page frame file with
just the cover will hang. Other, smaller  pdfs sprinkled throughout my docs
cause no problems. If I replace the cover art with a jpg or png file, I can
make a pdf, but the quality is not the same. 





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