RE: Blindingly obvious trick when optimising figure positioning

2013-03-15 Thread Steve Rickaby 
Interesting responses to this post, which I guess highlight the range of media 
on which we are working. I posted the simple 'trick' because it helped me, and 
I thought it might help someone else.

In this case the media is a 600+pp textbook on software security. I have been 
working on it most of this winter, and have necessarily had to become somewhat 
obsessive in order to maintain my tenuous hold on sanity. At some point it will 
be converted into an e-book, although this is a process with which I am not 
involved. If as a result I was guilty of book-centric thinking, my bad.

-- 
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Strange Save As PDF problem

2013-03-15 Thread Klaus Daube 
Dear Gurus

Yesterday 18hrs i finished my work with creating 2 PDFs out of FM-10 with Save 
as PDF.

Today: whatever i try (existing files, new files, various versions of FM: 9, 
10, 11), there is no PDF 
prdouced, distiller alsways claims Empty Job.

Start Time: 2013-03-15 at 15:00:43
Source: entsorgung-karton2.tps
Destination: D:\Private\Haus+hof\Entsorg,ERZ\entsorgung-karton2.pdf
Adobe PDF Settings: C:\ProgramData\Adobe\Adobe 
PDF\Settings\Standard.joboptions
%%[ Warning: Empty job. No PDF file produced. ] %%
Distill Time: 00 Hour(s) : 00 Minute(s) : 00.125 Second(s)
 End of Job 

Restarted, rebooted, paused, walked around, got a drink...
No Save as PDF anymore!
Is this the sideeffect of MS Patch day which was done early in the morning 
yesterday?

Any ideas besides a (about the 10th this year) re-installation of Acrobat 9.5.4
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Strange Save As PDF problem

2013-03-15 Thread Klaus Daube 
May I add to my problem report:

From a beta version of the future FM i can create PDF by Save as PDF with no 
problem...
I have only now tested this - and the day before yesterday I have also used 
this beta version.

Ah, I'm really sick on installing Acrobat!

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RE: Blindingly obvious trick when optimising figure positioning

2013-03-15 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) 
 If a figure is close to the cross-reference, why have a cross-reference at 
 all?

For a number of reasons, in my case.

1. In my documents, figures generally have more than one cross-reference. Being 
consistent with the close cross-references working the same way as farther 
ones when clicked on (in the typical PDF's I generate), is better than making 
assumptions about any text being close enough to _not_ need a cross-reference.

2. If there is only one cross-reference initially, and it is near to the 
figure, I still choose to be consistent - later revisions to the document may 
add cross-references in other locations.

3. The figure caption may get edited. With cross-references that include the 
caption (my rule: the first occurrence of the reference to a figure has the 
caption), that changed caption text is reflected in the body text referring to 
it.

4. With my PDF's, sometimes the figure ends up on a different page than the 
text referring to it - this may be unavoidable with larger figures.

5. When text before the cross-reference or figure is added later and/or edited, 
the separation of figure and cross-reference can occur easily and may waste 
time going back and fixing missing ones.

Bottom line: As far as I am concerned, a cross-reference in body text that 
refers to a figure is a requirement, no matter where the text is in 
relationship to the figure.

Z

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RE: is there a way to show Index markers inline in the text

2013-03-15 Thread Fred Wersan 

Gillian says:

Index Tools Professional by Silicon Prairie will let you do that.


Index Tools Pro actually bunches them at the top of each paragraph 
(unless they've changed things since I bought it some years ago). If you 
are handy with Framescript you can implement this feature yourself and 
keep the markers and index text in the paragraphs.


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RE: is there a way to show Index markers inline in the text

2013-03-15 Thread Frank Stearns 

On Fri, 15 Mar 2013, Fred Wersan wrote:


Gillian says:

Index Tools Professional by Silicon Prairie will let you do that.


Index Tools Pro actually bunches them at the top of each paragraph (unless 
they've changed things since I bought it some years ago). If you are handy 
with Framescript you can implement this feature yourself and keep the markers 
and index text in the paragraphs.


Never saw my earlier reply get through, but IXgen too has a function 
to elevate marker text in-line with the body text for editing and 
translation. (For the most powerful marker content editing we 
recommend using the Editable Marker List feature of IXgen.)


Marker text embedded in the body text is differentiated by the 
application of a character tag recognized by IXgen (you can modify the 
tag attributes to suite your visual need when editing markers 
in-line).


One thing IXgen can do in this realm that other systems might not 
allow is creation of new marker text while editing body text. Text 
that you create in line then tag with that character tag recognized by 
IXgen will create new markers where none existed before.


Hope that helps,

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Re: RE: Blindingly obvious trick when optimising figure positioning

2013-03-15 Thread Steve Rickaby 
At 11:19 -0500 15/3/13, Nancy Allison wrote:

I appreciated your posting your original insight. In 20+ years of using 
FrameMaker, I had never thought of it! Thanks very much for sharing the info.

Thank you, Nancy.

Page balancing (of books) is something I only do at the end, for obvious 
reasons. It's usually a nightmare of some sort, particularly when authors have 
lots of figures; when you position one nicely (publishers hate white space at 
the bottom of a page) it can collide with following figures, so this time I am 
trying to be consistent, especially as I have some two-page figures that must 
span a spread.

I am avoiding floating figures completely, aside from the right-hand portion of 
a two-page figure: *every* frame anchor sits in a tiny blank para tag of its 
own, which makes it easy to hook them with a 'find'. The figure references are 
(temporarily) highlighted: by repositioning the figures using the anchor paras, 
and sometimes blocks of text as well, I'm finding it a lot easier to balance 
pages than when using anchors set in text paras and float options (it's been 
known for figures to float out of numerical sequence!)

Not sure if I'm explaining this clearly.

-- 
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Cursor key navigation in tables

2013-03-15 Thread Fred Ridder 

It's actually been nearly two years since I've used FrameMaker on a daily 
basis, and that was still FM8 (for a variety of reasons that don't matter 
here). But the project I'm working on now is based on a document that was done 
in FM9, so here I am trying to meet a deadline and come to terms with a 
completely unfamiliar UI at the same time. 

One of the things that is driving me completely nuts is the absence of cursor 
key navigation inside tables. The bulk of the document I'm working on is pin 
description tables for a SoC chip with 1243 pins, and having to reach for the 
mouse (or type Tab 6 times to step sequentially through the cells) to move the 
insertion point down one row several thousand times has *ZERO* appeal. I know 
that in older versions of FrameMaker there was a simple modification one could 
to to cmds.cfg (if I recall correctly) to make the cursor keys (or cursor keys 
plus a modifier key) work inside a Frame table just like they would inside a 
Word table or a spreadsheet, but I have had no luck putting my hands on that 
info. I did read the section on customizing commands in the FM7 (Windows) 
version of Customizing FrameMaker and tried a couple modifications of the FM9 
cmds.cfg file, but no joy.

Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside 
tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be 
eternally grateful.

-Fred Ridder
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Re: Cursor key navigation in tables

2013-03-15 Thread Matt Sullivan 
Per an ancient (circa FM5) set of training materials,Control-Alt-TabControl-Alt-Shift-Tabare what the keys used to be, but they're so bad I never use them. I just checked, and FWIW, they don't work in FM11, Win7, structured mode.-MattMatt R. Sullivanco-authorPublishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11P:714.960.6840 |C:714.585.2335 |m...@mattrsullivan.com@mattrsullivanLinkedInfacebookmattrsullivan.com

On Mar 15, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:It's actually been nearly two years since I've used FrameMaker on a daily basis, and that was still FM8 (for a variety of reasons that don't matter here). But the project I'm working on now is based on a document that was done in FM9, so here I am trying to meet a deadline and come to terms with a completely unfamiliar UI at the same time.One of the things that is driving me completely nuts is the absence of cursor key navigation inside tables. The bulk of the document I'm working on is pin description tables for a SoC chip with 1243 pins, and having to reach for the mouse (or type Tab 6 times to step sequentially through the cells) to move the insertion point down one row several thousand times has *ZERO* appeal. I know that in older versions of FrameMaker there was a simple modification one could to to cmds.cfg (if I recall correctly) to make the cursor keys (or cursor keys plus a modifier key) work inside a Frame table just like they would inside a Word table or a spreadsheet, but I have had no luck putting my hands on that info. I did read the section on customizing commands in the FM7 (Windows) version ofCustomizing FrameMakerand tried a couple modifications of the FM9 cmds.cfg file, but no joy.Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be eternally grateful.-Fred Ridder___You are currently subscribed to framers asm...@mattrsullivan.com.Send list messages toframers@lists.frameusers.com.To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.comor visithttp://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40mattrsullivan.comSend administrative questions tolistad...@frameusers.com. Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/for more resources and info.___


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Re: Strange Save As PDF problem

2013-03-15 Thread Klaus Daube 
For now my work is saved...

Without doing anything to my system - except a pause of 2hrs now with a new 
boot some minutes ago:

FM-10 creates PDF via Save as PDF as it did yesterday!
FM-9  is also OK again!
FM-11 is OK again for most files i have tested

Sorry for the lapsus concerning the future
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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

2013-03-15 Thread Combs, Richard 
Fred Ridder wrote:
 
 Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside
 tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be
 eternally grateful.

The key sequences Matt found in FM 5 training materials apparently ceased 
working prior to FM 7.2. My FM 7.2 installation has UI customizations from 
Microtype.com, and they enable table cell navigation by pressing the 
Application key followed by the desired arrow key. I'm guessing that feature is 
still available in later Microtype customization products -- along with scores 
of other changes you'll find you can't live without. :-)

HTH!

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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

2013-03-15 Thread Alison Craig 
I'd love to know the answer to this as well as I, too, use Frame 9 and hate the 
awful table navigation option of tab, tab, tab...

Alison

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:30 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Cursor key navigation in tables

It's actually been nearly two years since I've used FrameMaker on a daily 
basis, and that was still FM8 (for a variety of reasons that don't matter 
here). But the project I'm working on now is based on a document that was done 
in FM9, so here I am trying to meet a deadline and come to terms with a 
completely unfamiliar UI at the same time.

One of the things that is driving me completely nuts is the absence of cursor 
key navigation inside tables. The bulk of the document I'm working on is pin 
description tables for a SoC chip with 1243 pins, and having to reach for the 
mouse (or type Tab 6 times to step sequentially through the cells) to move the 
insertion point down one row several thousand times has *ZERO* appeal. I know 
that in older versions of FrameMaker there was a simple modification one could 
to to cmds.cfg (if I recall correctly) to make the cursor keys (or cursor keys 
plus a modifier key) work inside a Frame table just like they would inside a 
Word table or a spreadsheet, but I have had no luck putting my hands on that 
info. I did read the section on customizing commands in the FM7 (Windows) 
version of Customizing FrameMaker and tried a couple modifications of the FM9 
cmds.cfg file, but no joy.

Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside 
tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be 
eternally grateful.

-Fred Ridder
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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

2013-03-15 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) 
The sequence Escapetmda will move the Insertion Point down one cell and 
highlight the text in it.

The sequence Escapetmd (i.e., without the 'a') is support to just move the 
Insertion Point down one cell. But it does not seem to work ... :(

And, of course, Escapetmua goes up one cell. Again, for some reason unknown 
to me, Escapetmu does not work ...

What I have not been able to figure out is how to tie the arrow keys to this 
sequence of keystroke when in cells. None of the above sequences are short 
enough ... the arrow keys are the way to do it.

FWIW, this is also one of _my_ pet peeves with FrameMaker ... and it is one 
thing that Word gets right, annoyingly.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:53 PM
To: Fred Ridder; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

I'd love to know the answer to this as well as I, too, use Frame 9 and hate the 
awful table navigation option of tab, tab, tab...

Alison

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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:30 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Cursor key navigation in tables

It's actually been nearly two years since I've used FrameMaker on a daily 
basis, and that was still FM8 (for a variety of reasons that don't matter 
here). But the project I'm working on now is based on a document that was done 
in FM9, so here I am trying to meet a deadline and come to terms with a 
completely unfamiliar UI at the same time.

One of the things that is driving me completely nuts is the absence of cursor 
key navigation inside tables. The bulk of the document I'm working on is pin 
description tables for a SoC chip with 1243 pins, and having to reach for the 
mouse (or type Tab 6 times to step sequentially through the cells) to move the 
insertion point down one row several thousand times has *ZERO* appeal. I know 
that in older versions of FrameMaker there was a simple modification one could 
to to cmds.cfg (if I recall correctly) to make the cursor keys (or cursor keys 
plus a modifier key) work inside a Frame table just like they would inside a 
Word table or a spreadsheet, but I have had no luck putting my hands on that 
info. I did read the section on customizing commands in the FM7 (Windows) 
version of Customizing FrameMaker and tried a couple modifications of the FM9 
cmds.cfg file, but no joy.

Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside 
tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be 
eternally grateful.

-Fred Ridder
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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

2013-03-15 Thread Rick Quatro 
Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
these lines:

Modify MoveIPToCellAtRight KeySequence /Right 
Modify MoveIPToCellAtLeft KeySequence /Left 
Modify MoveIPToCellAbove KeySequence /Up 
Modify MoveIPToCellBelow KeySequence /Down 

Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells using
the arrow keys. If you want the target cell selected when you move to it,
you may have to substitute one of the other table commands. Here is a list
of them:

Command MoveIPToCellAtRight
Label Move IP To Cell At Right
KeySequence \!tmr
Definition \xFB1

Command MoveIPToCellAtLeft
Label Move IP To Cell At Left
KeySequence \!tml
Definition \xFB2

Command MoveIPToCellAbove
Label Move IP To Cell Above
KeySequence \!tmu
Definition \xFB3

Command MoveIPUpAndSelectText
Label Move IP Up And Select Text
KeySequence \!tmua
Definition \xFB3 \xFA4

Command MoveIPToCellBelow
Label Move IP To Cell Below
KeySequence \!tmd
Definition \xFB4

Command MoveIPDownAndSelectText
Label Move IP Down And Select Text
KeySequence \!tmda
Definition \xFB4 \xFA4

Command MoveIPToLeftmostCell
Label Move IP To Leftmost Cell
KeySequence \!tma
Definition \xFB5

Command MoveIPToRightmostCell
Label Move IP To Rightmost Cell
KeySequence \!tme
Definition \xFB6

Command MoveIPToNextCell
Label Move IP To Next Cell
KeySequence \!tmn
Definition \xFB7

Command MoveIPToPreviousCell
Label Move IP To Previous Cell
KeySequence \!tmp
Definition \xFB8

Command MoveIPToColumnTop
Label Move IP To Column Top
KeySequence \!tmt
Definition \xFB9

Command MoveIPToColumnBottom
Label Move IP To Column Bottom
KeySequence \!tmb
Definition \xFBA

Command MoveIPToTopLeftCell
   Label Move IP To Top Left Cell
   KeySequence \!tmT
   Definition \xFB9 \xFB5
   Mode All

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 7:26 PM
To: Alison Craig; Fred Ridder; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

The sequence Escapetmda will move the Insertion Point down one cell and
highlight the text in it.

The sequence Escapetmd (i.e., without the 'a') is support to just move
the Insertion Point down one cell. But it does not seem to work ... :(

And, of course, Escapetmua goes up one cell. Again, for some reason
unknown to me, Escapetmu does not work ...

What I have not been able to figure out is how to tie the arrow keys to this
sequence of keystroke when in cells. None of the above sequences are short
enough ... the arrow keys are the way to do it.

FWIW, this is also one of _my_ pet peeves with FrameMaker . and it is one
thing that Word gets right, annoyingly.

Z


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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

2013-03-15 Thread Fred Ridder 

Thanks Rick and Syed.

In my poking around earlier today, I did find these commands in cmds.cfg and 
tried to reassign the MoveIPToCellAbove and ...CellBelow commands to more 
convenient shortcut keys. But whether I left them alone, changed the 
KeySequence  definition, or added a Modify  command, those two MoveIP 
commands refuse to do anything. ...CellAtLeft and ...CellAtRight both work, as 
do MoveIPUpAndSelectText and MoveIPDownAndSelectText, but not the two commands 
I specifically want to use. I suppose I'll just have to use the move and select 
commands, because at least it's better than having to reach for the mouse every 
damn time.

What's frustrating is that I *know* these commands worked in FM5.5.6, 6.0, 7.x 
and 8.0. Chalk up one mlore feature that got broken and never fixed when Adobe 
saw fit to impose their stupid and inconvenient (and buggy...) UI on us with 
version 9.0. Sigh...

I suppose I *should* report this bug to Adobe, but every time I have done it in 
the past has been an exercise in ultimate frustration. Every time it has taken 
me between one and two hours to accomplish something that should have taken 
10-15 minutes. And ever since software development and maintenance was moved to 
Bangalore, the only response I have ever gotten to a reported bug was that we 
fixed the software to make it work the way it was supposed to work. Never mind 
that the new behavior was illogical and inconsistent with how other similar 
features worked, the mere fact that FrameMaker now behaved differently meant 
that a whole flock of my carefully designed procedures and processes no longer 
worked. I might have chalked it up to job security, but my employer (by 
acquisition...) chose to shut down their operation here in New Jersey. But 
that's a story for another day...

Thanks for your efforts, guys.

Fred Ridder 

 From: r...@rickquatro.com
 To: syed.hos...@aeris.net; alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com; docu...@hotmail.com; 
 framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
 
 Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
 these lines:
 
 Modify MoveIPToCellAtRight KeySequence /Right 
 Modify MoveIPToCellAtLeft KeySequence /Left 
 Modify MoveIPToCellAbove KeySequence /Up 
 Modify MoveIPToCellBelow KeySequence /Down 
 
 Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells using
 the arrow keys. If you want the target cell selected when you move to it,
 you may have to substitute one of the other table commands. Here is a list
 of them:
 
 Command MoveIPToCellAtRight
   Label Move IP To Cell At Right
   KeySequence \!tmr
   Definition \xFB1
 
 Command MoveIPToCellAtLeft
   Label Move IP To Cell At Left
   KeySequence \!tml
   Definition \xFB2
 
 Command MoveIPToCellAbove
   Label Move IP To Cell Above
   KeySequence \!tmu
   Definition \xFB3
 
 Command MoveIPUpAndSelectText
   Label Move IP Up And Select Text
   KeySequence \!tmua
   Definition \xFB3 \xFA4
 
 Command MoveIPToCellBelow
   Label Move IP To Cell Below
   KeySequence \!tmd
   Definition \xFB4
 
 Command MoveIPDownAndSelectText
   Label Move IP Down And Select Text
   KeySequence \!tmda
   Definition \xFB4 \xFA4
 
 Command MoveIPToLeftmostCell
   Label Move IP To Leftmost Cell
   KeySequence \!tma
   Definition \xFB5
 
 Command MoveIPToRightmostCell
   Label Move IP To Rightmost Cell
   KeySequence \!tme
   Definition \xFB6
 
 Command MoveIPToNextCell
   Label Move IP To Next Cell
   KeySequence \!tmn
   Definition \xFB7
 
 Command MoveIPToPreviousCell
   Label Move IP To Previous Cell
   KeySequence \!tmp
   Definition \xFB8
 
 Command MoveIPToColumnTop
   Label Move IP To Column Top
   KeySequence \!tmt
   Definition \xFB9
 
 Command MoveIPToColumnBottom
   Label Move IP To Column Bottom
   KeySequence \!tmb
   Definition \xFBA
 
 Command MoveIPToTopLeftCell
Label Move IP To Top Left Cell
KeySequence \!tmT
Definition \xFB9 \xFB5
Mode All
 
 Rick Quatro
 Carmen Publishing Inc.
 585-283-5045
 r...@frameexpert.com
 
 
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
 (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
 Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 7:26 PM
 To: Alison Craig; Fred Ridder; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
 
 The sequence Escapetmda will move the Insertion Point down one cell and
 highlight the text in it.
 
 The sequence Escapetmd (i.e., without the 'a') is support to just move
 the Insertion Point down one cell. But it does not seem to work ... :(
 
 And, of course, Escapetmua goes up one cell. Again, for some reason
 unknown to me, Escapetmu does not work ...
 
 What I have not been able to figure out is how to tie the arrow keys to this
 sequence of keystroke when in cells.

RE: Blindingly obvious trick when optimising figure positioning

2013-03-15 Thread Bethany Lee 
Robert said:  I've never worked with a deliverable format that put images on a
separate page.

I say: You must be young.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:17 PM
To: Steve Rickaby; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Blindingly obvious trick when optimising figure positioning

I single-source to PDF and HTML. The lowest common denominator is
HTML, so the layout is designed so an image is predictably above or
below the adjacent text that refers to it.

I've never worked with a deliverable format that put images on a
separate page. That's awful.

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Steve Rickaby
srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk wrote:
 At 09:52 -0700 14/3/13, Robert Lauriston wrote:

If a figure is close to the cross-reference, why have a cross-reference at 
all?

 Here are some reasons:

 . Convention

 . Readability

 . Discriminating between two or more figures when more than one is visible in 
 a spread

 . How else would you refer to the contents of a figure other than saying 'In 
 Figure x.x, the worgle-grommet is positioned next to the thingummy...'?

 . Because at some point the book is going to be converted to an e-thing, and 
 this requires a hyperlink because most e-readers have to throw a separate 
 'page' for the figure.

 . Because the client expects it.

 . Because I lik emaking work for myself.
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Crucible for doc review?

2013-03-15 Thread Robert Lauriston 
Does anyone use Crucible for reviewing draft documentation?

If so, what format do you use? My source is in FrameMaker and I have
WebWorks ePublisher, RoboHelp, and MIF2Go, so I can export a wide
variety of formats.
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What is the recommended way of having a TOC appear in multiple places of a book?

2013-03-15 Thread john . x . posada 
Hi, guys...

I have a 1,500+ FM11 book that is divided into two volumes. The book has a
TOC and Index with both volumes. Both Volume 1 and 2 have covers and the
pagination starts at 1 for each volume. Everything good. It's also
conceivable that I'll eventually have Volumes 3, 4, 5, and 6.

Now, I want to put the same TOC in the front of both Volumes and the Index
at the end of both volume.. What is the suggested approach?

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a complex Find Replace?

2013-03-15 Thread John Sgammato 
I need to conditionalize (best) or delete (acceptable) a complex snippet of
text that occurs 140 times in a book:

RESTful Example
POST actifio/api/*
SSH Example

* = 140 different strings
like task/failover?id=4111host=myhostdiskpool=mainpool

These must become either simply Example,
or much better would be to conditionalize everything except the second
Example.

Conditionalizing is better because I must show these 140 different examples
in our next release, but not in this one, so if I delete them then I will
have to add them back later. If necessary I will leave this until all other
edits are finished and save the doc, then delete them and publish it. Then
I will pick up from the  undeleted version. But I much prefer to hide the
content and leave open the option for other last-minute edits.

Do you know if FM11 unstructured can Find and Replace with a condition?
I have FrameScript but I have neither the time nor the skill to write a
script and test it (I have to check this in on Sunday night.)

Deleting won't be the end of the world, but I'd love it if someone out
there has a rabbit in a hat...
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RE: Blindingly obvious trick when optimising figure positioning

2013-03-15 Thread Harro de Jong 
Steve Rickaby wrote:

 
 When optimising figure positioning to move figures as close to the 
 cross-references
 to them as possible, temporarily add color to the figure xref format to make 
 them
 show up.  (Duh!...)


I tend to give xrefs a color (blue) by default. 
- blue is dark enough to print well in B/W
- in the PDF, the xref will look like an HTML hyperlink, so even people who 
don't use PDFs every day will get the idea that the link is clickable. 

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Re: Strange Save As PDF problem

2013-03-15 Thread Robert Lauriston 
You have both FM10 and a beta of FM12 on your system? That could be
your problem right there.

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Klaus Daube fr...@daube.ch wrote:
 May I add to my problem report:

 From a beta version of the future FM i can create PDF by Save as PDF with no 
 problem...
 I have only now tested this - and the day before yesterday I have also used 
 this beta version.
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Re: Strange Save As PDF problem

2013-03-15 Thread Ken Poshedly 
Even though there have been back-and-forth discussions here on this exact topic 
(using save-as to create a pdf or that this Framemaker bug has been fixed), the 
only way I can be absolutely sure I don't have the problem that you have is to 
print via the Adobe Acrobat printer instance (I think that's what it is or 
was 
called), then running the resulting postscript file through Adobe Distiller.

So far -- at least for me -- it works every time.

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Fri, March 15, 2013 12:20:26 PM
Subject: Strange Save As PDF problem

May I add to my problem report:

From a beta version of the future FM i can create PDF by Save as PDF with no 
problem...
I have only now tested this - and the day before yesterday I have also used 
this 
beta version.

Ah, I'm really sick on installing Acrobat!

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Re: RE: Blindingly obvious trick when optimising figure positioning

2013-03-15 Thread Robert Lauriston 
FrameMaker's not so good for people who can't live with rules-defined output.

InDesign's the page layout application of choice for those who need
fine control over page layout for books that are going to be
professionally printed.

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Steve Rickaby
srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk wrote:
 Page balancing (of books) is something I only do at the end, for obvious 
 reasons. It's usually a nightmare of some sort, particularly when authors 
 have lots of figures; when you position one nicely (publishers hate white 
 space at the bottom of a page) it can collide with following figures, so this 
 time I am trying to be consistent, especially as I have some two-page figures 
 that must span a spread.
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Blindingly obvious trick when optimising figure positioning

2013-03-15 Thread Steve Rickaby 
Interesting responses to this post, which I guess highlight the range of media 
on which we are working. I posted the simple 'trick' because it helped me, and 
I thought it might help someone else.

In this case the media is a 600+pp textbook on software security. I have been 
working on it most of this winter, and have necessarily had to become somewhat 
obsessive in order to maintain my tenuous hold on sanity. At some point it will 
be converted into an e-book, although this is a process with which I am not 
involved. If as a result I was guilty of book-centric thinking, my bad.

-- 
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Strange Save As PDF problem

2013-03-15 Thread Klaus Daube 
Dear Gurus

Yesterday 18hrs i finished my work with creating 2 PDFs out of FM-10 with Save 
as PDF.

Today: whatever i try (existing files, new files, various versions of FM: 9, 
10, 11), there is no PDF 
prdouced, distiller alsways claims "Empty Job".

Start Time: 2013-03-15 at 15:00:43
Source: entsorgung-karton2.tps
Destination: D:\Private\Haus+hof\Entsorg,ERZ\entsorgung-karton2.pdf
Adobe PDF Settings: C:\ProgramData\Adobe\Adobe 
PDF\Settings\Standard.joboptions
%%[ Warning: Empty job. No PDF file produced. ] %%
Distill Time: 00 Hour(s) : 00 Minute(s) : 00.125 Second(s)
 End of Job 

Restarted, rebooted, paused, walked around, got a drink...
No Save as PDF anymore!
Is this the sideeffect of MS Patch day which was done early in the morning 
yesterday?

Any ideas besides a (about the 10th this year) re-installation of Acrobat 9.5.4
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Strange Save As PDF problem

2013-03-15 Thread Klaus Daube 
May I add to my problem report:

>From a beta version of the future FM i can create PDF by Save as PDF with no 
>problem...
I have only now tested this - and the day before yesterday I have also used 
this beta version.

Ah, I'm really sick on installing Acrobat!

Klaus
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Blindingly obvious trick when optimising figure positioning

2013-03-15 Thread Nancy Allison 
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Blindingly obvious trick when optimising figure positioning

2013-03-15 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) 
> If a figure is close to the cross-reference, why have a cross-reference at 
> all?

For a number of reasons, in my case.

1. In my documents, figures generally have more than one cross-reference. Being 
consistent with the "close" cross-references working the "same way" as farther 
ones when clicked on (in the typical PDF's I generate), is better than making 
assumptions about any text being "close enough" to _not_ need a cross-reference.

2. If there is only one cross-reference initially, and it is near to the 
figure, I still choose to be consistent - later revisions to the document may 
add cross-references in other locations.

3. The figure caption may get edited. With cross-references that include the 
caption (my rule: the first occurrence of the reference to a figure has the 
caption), that changed caption text is reflected in the body text referring to 
it.

4. With my PDF's, sometimes the figure ends up on a different page than the 
text referring to it - this may be unavoidable with larger figures.

5. When text before the cross-reference or figure is added later and/or edited, 
the separation of figure and cross-reference can occur easily and may waste 
time going back and fixing missing ones.

Bottom line: As far as I am concerned, a cross-reference in body text that 
refers to a figure is a requirement, no matter where the text is in 
relationship to the figure.

Z

is there a way to show Index markers inline in the text

2013-03-15 Thread Fred Wersan 
Gillian says:

Index Tools Professional by Silicon Prairie will let you do that.


Index Tools Pro actually bunches them at the top of each paragraph 
(unless they've changed things since I bought it some years ago). If you 
are handy with Framescript you can implement this feature yourself and 
keep the markers and index text in the paragraphs.

Fred

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is there a way to show Index markers inline in the text

2013-03-15 Thread Frank Stearns 
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013, Fred Wersan wrote:

> Gillian says:
>
> Index Tools Professional by Silicon Prairie will let you do that.
>
>
> Index Tools Pro actually bunches them at the top of each paragraph (unless 
> they've changed things since I bought it some years ago). If you are handy 
> with Framescript you can implement this feature yourself and keep the markers 
> and index text in the paragraphs.

Never saw my earlier reply get through, but IXgen too has a function 
to elevate marker text in-line with the body text for editing and 
translation. (For the most powerful marker content editing we 
recommend using the "Editable Marker List" feature of IXgen.)

Marker text embedded in the body text is differentiated by the 
application of a character tag recognized by IXgen (you can modify the 
tag attributes to suite your visual need when editing markers 
in-line).

One thing IXgen can do in this realm that other systems might not 
allow is creation of new marker text while editing body text. Text 
that you create in line then tag with that character tag recognized by 
IXgen will create new markers where none existed before.

Hope that helps,

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Blindingly obvious trick when optimising figure positioning

2013-03-15 Thread Steve Rickaby 
At 11:19 -0500 15/3/13, Nancy Allison wrote:

>I appreciated your posting your original insight. In 20+ years of using 
>FrameMaker, I had never thought of it! Thanks very much for sharing the info.

Thank you, Nancy.

Page balancing (of books) is something I only do at the end, for obvious 
reasons. It's usually a nightmare of some sort, particularly when authors have 
lots of figures; when you position one nicely (publishers hate white space at 
the bottom of a page) it can collide with following figures, so this time I am 
trying to be consistent, especially as I have some two-page figures that must 
span a spread.

I am avoiding floating figures completely, aside from the right-hand portion of 
a two-page figure: *every* frame anchor sits in a tiny blank para tag of its 
own, which makes it easy to hook them with a 'find'. The figure references are 
(temporarily) highlighted: by repositioning the figures using the anchor paras, 
and sometimes blocks of text as well, I'm finding it a lot easier to balance 
pages than when using anchors set in text paras and float options (it's been 
known for figures to float out of numerical sequence!)

Not sure if I'm explaining this clearly.

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Cursor key navigation in tables

2013-03-15 Thread Fred Ridder 

It's actually been nearly two years since I've used FrameMaker on a daily 
basis, and that was still FM8 (for a variety of reasons that don't matter 
here). But the project I'm working on now is based on a document that was done 
in FM9, so here I am trying to meet a deadline and come to terms with a 
completely unfamiliar UI at the same time. 

One of the things that is driving me completely nuts is the absence of cursor 
key navigation inside tables. The bulk of the document I'm working on is pin 
description tables for a SoC chip with 1243 pins, and having to reach for the 
mouse (or type Tab 6 times to step sequentially through the cells) to move the 
insertion point down one row several thousand times has *ZERO* appeal. I know 
that in older versions of FrameMaker there was a simple modification one could 
to to cmds.cfg (if I recall correctly) to make the cursor keys (or cursor keys 
plus a modifier key) work inside a Frame table just like they would inside a 
Word table or a spreadsheet, but I have had no luck putting my hands on that 
info. I did read the section on customizing commands in the FM7 (Windows) 
version of Customizing FrameMaker and tried a couple modifications of the FM9 
cmds.cfg file, but no joy.

Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside 
tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be 
eternally grateful.

-Fred Ridder

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Cursor key navigation in tables

2013-03-15 Thread Matt Sullivan 
Per an ancient (circa FM5) set of training materials, 

Control-Alt-Tab
Control-Alt-Shift-Tab

are what the keys used to be, but they're so bad I never use them. I just 
checked, and FWIW, they don't work in FM11, Win7, structured mode.
-Matt

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On Mar 15, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Fred Ridder  wrote:

> It's actually been nearly two years since I've used FrameMaker on a daily 
> basis, and that was still FM8 (for a variety of reasons that don't matter 
> here). But the project I'm working on now is based on a document that was 
> done in FM9, so here I am trying to meet a deadline and come to terms with a 
> completely unfamiliar UI at the same time. 
> 
> One of the things that is driving me completely nuts is the absence of cursor 
> key navigation inside tables. The bulk of the document I'm working on is pin 
> description tables for a SoC chip with 1243 pins, and having to reach for the 
> mouse (or type Tab 6 times to step sequentially through the cells) to move 
> the insertion point down one row several thousand times has *ZERO* appeal. I 
> know that in older versions of FrameMaker there was a simple modification one 
> could to to cmds.cfg (if I recall correctly) to make the cursor keys (or 
> cursor keys plus a modifier key) work inside a Frame table just like they 
> would inside a Word table or a spreadsheet, but I have had no luck putting my 
> hands on that info. I did read the section on customizing commands in the FM7 
> (Windows) version of Customizing FrameMaker and tried a couple modifications 
> of the FM9 cmds.cfg file, but no joy.
> 
> Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside 
> tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be 
> eternally grateful.
> 
> -Fred Ridder
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Strange Save As PDF problem

2013-03-15 Thread Klaus Daube 
For now my work is saved...

Without doing anything to my system - except a pause of 2hrs now with a new 
boot some minutes ago:

FM-10 creates PDF via Save as PDF as it did yesterday!
FM-9  is also OK again!
FM-11 is OK again for most files i have tested

Sorry for the lapsus concerning the future
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Cursor key navigation in tables

2013-03-15 Thread Combs, Richard 
Fred Ridder wrote:

> Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside
> tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be
> eternally grateful.

The key sequences Matt found in FM 5 training materials apparently ceased 
working prior to FM 7.2. My FM 7.2 installation has UI customizations from 
Microtype.com, and they enable table cell navigation by pressing the 
Application key followed by the desired arrow key. I'm guessing that feature is 
still available in later Microtype customization products -- along with scores 
of other changes you'll find you can't live without. :-)

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
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Cursor key navigation in tables

2013-03-15 Thread Alison Craig 
I'd love to know the answer to this as well as I, too, use Frame 9 and hate the 
awful table navigation option of tab, tab, tab...

Alison

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:30 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Cursor key navigation in tables

It's actually been nearly two years since I've used FrameMaker on a daily 
basis, and that was still FM8 (for a variety of reasons that don't matter 
here). But the project I'm working on now is based on a document that was done 
in FM9, so here I am trying to meet a deadline and come to terms with a 
completely unfamiliar UI at the same time.

One of the things that is driving me completely nuts is the absence of cursor 
key navigation inside tables. The bulk of the document I'm working on is pin 
description tables for a SoC chip with 1243 pins, and having to reach for the 
mouse (or type Tab 6 times to step sequentially through the cells) to move the 
insertion point down one row several thousand times has *ZERO* appeal. I know 
that in older versions of FrameMaker there was a simple modification one could 
to to cmds.cfg (if I recall correctly) to make the cursor keys (or cursor keys 
plus a modifier key) work inside a Frame table just like they would inside a 
Word table or a spreadsheet, but I have had no luck putting my hands on that 
info. I did read the section on customizing commands in the FM7 (Windows) 
version of Customizing FrameMaker and tried a couple modifications of the FM9 
cmds.cfg file, but no joy.

Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside 
tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be 
eternally grateful.

-Fred Ridder
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Cursor key navigation in tables

2013-03-15 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) 
The sequence "tmda" will move the Insertion Point down one cell and 
highlight the text in it.

The sequence "tmd" (i.e., without the 'a') is support to just move the 
Insertion Point down one cell. But it does not seem to work ... :(

And, of course, "tmua" goes up one cell. Again, for some reason unknown 
to me, "tmu" does not work ...

What I have not been able to figure out is how to tie the arrow keys to this 
sequence of keystroke when in cells. None of the above sequences are short 
enough ... the arrow keys are the way to do it.

FWIW, this is also one of _my_ pet peeves with FrameMaker ... and it is one 
thing that Word gets right, annoyingly.

Z

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:53 PM
To: Fred Ridder; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

I'd love to know the answer to this as well as I, too, use Frame 9 and hate the 
awful table navigation option of tab, tab, tab...

Alison

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:30 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Cursor key navigation in tables

It's actually been nearly two years since I've used FrameMaker on a daily 
basis, and that was still FM8 (for a variety of reasons that don't matter 
here). But the project I'm working on now is based on a document that was done 
in FM9, so here I am trying to meet a deadline and come to terms with a 
completely unfamiliar UI at the same time.

One of the things that is driving me completely nuts is the absence of cursor 
key navigation inside tables. The bulk of the document I'm working on is pin 
description tables for a SoC chip with 1243 pins, and having to reach for the 
mouse (or type Tab 6 times to step sequentially through the cells) to move the 
insertion point down one row several thousand times has *ZERO* appeal. I know 
that in older versions of FrameMaker there was a simple modification one could 
to to cmds.cfg (if I recall correctly) to make the cursor keys (or cursor keys 
plus a modifier key) work inside a Frame table just like they would inside a 
Word table or a spreadsheet, but I have had no luck putting my hands on that 
info. I did read the section on customizing commands in the FM7 (Windows) 
version of Customizing FrameMaker and tried a couple modifications of the FM9 
cmds.cfg file, but no joy.

Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside 
tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be 
eternally grateful.

-Fred Ridder
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Cursor key navigation in tables

2013-03-15 Thread Rick Quatro 
Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
these lines:

>
>
>
>

Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells using
the arrow keys. If you want the target cell selected when you move to it,
you may have to substitute one of the other table commands. Here is a list
of them:



>



>



>



>



>



>



>



>



>



>



>



>


   
   
   >

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
rick at frameexpert.com


From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
(Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 7:26 PM
To: Alison Craig; Fred Ridder; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

The sequence "tmda" will move the Insertion Point down one cell and
highlight the text in it.

The sequence "tmd" (i.e., without the 'a') is support to just move
the Insertion Point down one cell. But it does not seem to work ... :(

And, of course, "tmua" goes up one cell. Again, for some reason
unknown to me, "tmu" does not work ...

What I have not been able to figure out is how to tie the arrow keys to this
sequence of keystroke when in cells. None of the above sequences are short
enough ... the arrow keys are the way to do it.

FWIW, this is also one of _my_ pet peeves with FrameMaker . and it is one
thing that Word gets right, annoyingly.

Z

Blindingly obvious trick when optimising figure positioning

2013-03-15 Thread Harro de Jong 
Steve Rickaby wrote:

> 
> When optimising figure positioning to move figures as close to the 
> cross-references
> to them as possible, temporarily add color to the figure xref format to make 
> them
> show up.  (Duh!...)


I tend to give xrefs a color (blue) by default. 
- blue is dark enough to print well in B/W
- in the PDF, the xref will look like an HTML hyperlink, so even people who 
don't use PDFs every day will get the idea that the link is clickable. 

Harro de Jong
Triview

Strange Save As PDF problem

2013-03-15 Thread Robert Lauriston 
You have both FM10 and a beta of FM12 on your system? That could be
your problem right there.

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Klaus Daube  wrote:
> May I add to my problem report:
>
> From a beta version of the future FM i can create PDF by Save as PDF with no 
> problem...
> I have only now tested this - and the day before yesterday I have also used 
> this beta version.

Strange Save As PDF problem

2013-03-15 Thread Ken Poshedly 
Even though there have been back-and-forth discussions here on this exact topic 
(using save-as to create a pdf or that this Framemaker bug has been fixed), the 
only way I can be absolutely sure I don't have the problem that you have is to 
print via the Adobe Acrobat "printer instance" (I think that's what it is or 
was 
called), then running the resulting postscript file through Adobe Distiller.

So far -- at least for me -- it works every time.

-- Ken in Atlanta





From: Klaus Daube 
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Fri, March 15, 2013 12:20:26 PM
Subject: Strange Save As PDF problem

May I add to my problem report:

Blindingly obvious trick when optimising figure positioning

2013-03-15 Thread Robert Lauriston 
FrameMaker's not so good for people who can't live with rules-defined output.

InDesign's the page layout application of choice for those who need
fine control over page layout for books that are going to be
professionally printed.

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Steve Rickaby
 wrote:
> Page balancing (of books) is something I only do at the end, for obvious 
> reasons. It's usually a nightmare of some sort, particularly when authors 
> have lots of figures; when you position one nicely (publishers hate white 
> space at the bottom of a page) it can collide with following figures, so this 
> time I am trying to be consistent, especially as I have some two-page figures 
> that must span a spread.