date:20130320

Paragraph Tools is good value for money. You should also use Character
Tools for those pesky unused character styles and formats.

Alan

Although I am happy to recommend other tools, I should point out that my
script ($80 and requires FrameScript) handles a lot of format types at once.
Here are the instructions from the script:

/*
This script changes cross-references, paragraphs, tables, user
variables, characters, etc. from one format to another.
You can optionally delete the old format from the document's catalog.

The script requires a batch file containing four columns.
Column 1 lists the type of format to find: 
  X for cross-reference
  P for paragraph
  T for table
  V for variable
  C for character format
  CO for condition format
  MP for master page
  M for marker type
  CL for color

Column 2 lists the format to find, column 3 lists the format to change to,
and column 4 contains a Y if you want to delete the old format from the
document's catalog. If the format in column 3 does not exist in the
document,
the find format will be renamed to the change format.

The enclosed FindChangeFormatBatch.fm can be used as a batch file.

To simply delete a format from the catalog, put its format type in column
one, its name in column 2, and a Y in column 4. Leave column 3 blank.

Format names are case-sensitive.

The script can be run on a single document, book, or folder (and
subfolders).
The results of the script are recorded in a log which is saved in the same
folder as the book, document, or folder. It will have the same name as the 
book or document, but with a .log extension. If you run it on a folder,
the log will be in that folder and be called FindChangeFormatsBatch.log.


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
r...@frameexpert.com



___


You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

OT: Word templates

I have a client that needs some work done with their MS Word templates. If
you do that kind of work for hire, please contact me offlist and I will
forward you information to my client. Thanks.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
r...@frameexpert.com






___


You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

RE: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:39 AM
To: 'Alan T Litchfield'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

Paragraph Tools is good value for money. You should also use Character
Tools for those pesky unused character styles and formats.

Alan

Although I am happy to recommend other tools, I should point out that my script 
($80 and requires FrameScript) handles a lot of format types at once.
Here are the instructions from the script:

/*
This script changes cross-references, paragraphs, tables, user variables, 
characters, etc. from one format to another.
You can optionally delete the old format from the document's catalog.

The script requires a batch file containing four columns.
Column 1 lists the type of format to find:
  X for cross-reference
  P for paragraph
  T for table
  V for variable
  C for character format
  CO for condition format
  MP for master page
  M for marker type
  CL for color

Column 2 lists the format to find, column 3 lists the format to change to, and 
column 4 contains a Y if you want to delete the old format from the document's 
catalog. If the format in column 3 does not exist in the document, the find 
format will be renamed to the change format.

The enclosed FindChangeFormatBatch.fm can be used as a batch file.

To simply delete a format from the catalog, put its format type in column one, 
its name in column 2, and a Y in column 4. Leave column 3 blank.

Format names are case-sensitive.

The script can be run on a single document, book, or folder (and subfolders).
The results of the script are recorded in a log which is saved in the same 
folder as the book, document, or folder. It will have the same name as the book 
or document, but with a .log extension. If you run it on a folder, the log will 
be in that folder and be called FindChangeFormatsBatch.log.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
r...@frameexpert.com

___

You are currently subscribed to framers as cmarti...@zebra.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/cmartinek%40zebra.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

- CONFIDENTIAL-

This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be 
legally privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, 
use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, 
please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email.

___

You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

FM11 output crashing - silentrobohtml.exe appcrash

Ignore previous email... (responding to Rick's question)

We're looking at TCS4, trying to output one of our manuals using the default 
Multiscreen HTML5 output targets.

I did this successfully once... but now with the exact same document, its 
crashing with the following error:

RoboHelp command line did not execute successfully.
Details are that its an APPCRASH of silentrobohtml.exe

My coworker is having the same problem.

Any suggestions/solutions?

-Carla


- CONFIDENTIAL-

This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be 
legally privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, 
use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, 
please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email.

___


You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

RE: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-20 Thread Combs, Richard

Alan T Litchfield wrote:
 
 Paragraph Tools is good value for money. You should also use Character
 Tools for those pesky unused character styles and formats.
 
 Alan
 
 On 20/03/13 3:00 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
  Hi John,
 
  My FindChangeFormats plugin does one format at a time. It doesn't
  require FrameScript. I have a FindChangeFormatsBatch that can do
  hundreds of formats at once, but it requires FrameScript. If you don't
  want to buy FrameScript, you should look at the Silicon Prairie Tools. I
  haven't used this one in particular, but their plugins are usually well
  done (and cheap).

I'm a very satisfied customer of both Silicon Prairie and Rick, and happy to 
recommend both. But John said that he's in a super-locked down environment and 
to install anything takes an act of god. Unless I'm misunderstanding his 
statement, that rules out any plugins (including FrameScript, thus ruling out 
FS scripts). 

John, since you have FM 11, I think your only non-manual alternative is 
ExtendScript. I suspect Rick could whip up an ExtendScript script that suits 
your needs for a reasonable fee -- assuming you can at least install a script 
(non-executable) in your environment. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
--






___


You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

RE: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

Hi Richard,

Thanks for the recommendation. FWIW, duplicating this script in ExtendScript
would be a large undertaking. The FrameScript version is over 1700 lines and
has gone through quite a few iterations over the years. Just think about
what it takes to find/change a character format. You not only have to look
for occurrences in text, but also in autonumber formats, variable formats,
and cross-reference formats. Colors are complicated as well because they
show up in many different places in a document.

It is such a useful script that I will probably end up duplicating it in
ExtendScript one of these days. But if someone wanted it tomorrow, it would
certainly be more expensive than the FrameScript version! Thanks again.

Rick


I'm a very satisfied customer of both Silicon Prairie and Rick, and happy to
recommend both. But John said that he's in a super-locked down environment
and to install anything takes an act of god. Unless I'm misunderstanding
his statement, that rules out any plugins (including FrameScript, thus
ruling out FS scripts). 

John, since you have FM 11, I think your only non-manual alternative is
ExtendScript. I suspect Rick could whip up an ExtendScript script that suits
your needs for a reasonable fee -- assuming you can at least install a
script (non-executable) in your environment. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
--






___


You are currently subscribed to framers as r...@rickquatro.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rick%40rickquatro.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

___


You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Old FrameMaker versions

Someone posted here recently to say that 'all their old FrameMaker files had 
become Word files'.

I've just had course to look at some year 2000 files in FrameMaker 4 format. 
These have a '.doc' extent, but open just fine in FrameMaker 7. I have no idea 
why they are '.doc', but this might have given rise to the confusion  in 
question.

-- 
Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet]
___


You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

RE: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-20 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Standing back from this discussion (I'm excluded from a lot of plugins due to 
still being on Mac), I'd just point out the fact that I keep forgetting myself: 
that Steve Kubis' (SiliconPrairie) char and para tools work at the book level 
too. 

Construct a temporary book containing all the files you want to clean up, run 
'Delete unused para/char formats', then discard temp book: job done.

-- 
Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet]
___


You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Re: Old FrameMaker versions

2013-03-20 Thread Paul Wilbraham

I can recall, in the early days of FrameMaker, all FrameMaker documents were
given the .doc suffix.

Later, this changed to .fm, maybe around version 3 or 4.

--Paul Wilbraham


 On 20 March 2013 at 16:37 Steve Rickaby srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk
 wrote:


 Someone posted here recently to say that 'all their old FrameMaker files had
 become Word files'.

 I've just had course to look at some year 2000 files in FrameMaker 4 format.
 These have a '.doc' extent, but open just fine in FrameMaker 7. I have no idea
 why they are '.doc', but this might have given rise to the confusion in
 question.

 --
 Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet]
 ___


 You are currently subscribed to framers as paul.wilbra...@m-ais.com.

 Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

 To unsubscribe send a blank email to
 framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
 or visit
 http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/paul.wilbraham%40m-ais.com

 Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
 http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.___


You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

RE: Old FrameMaker versions

 And the situation is more complex again on Mac, where the file type byte is 
 retained in some files for backward compatibility with pre-OS X OS versions, 
 which built an invisible database that matched files with their home 
 application, but OS X (Unix under the covers) also takes a file name extent 
 into consideration. (And on OS X you can have up to half a dozen apps that 
 can open, say, a PDF.)

Hmmm  I would have thought (but not certain) that the current OS X release 
did not use the file name extension to select the app for opening PDF files. It 
_probably_ looks at the magic bytes just like other UNIX systems.

Which, in the case of PDF files, would be the leading bytes %PDF- inside the 
files.

A question though: if you have more than one app available to open a PDF file, 
how does OS X actually select which app to use?

In Windows, there is one default for each extension, but you can override that 
with a right-mouse-click on the file in Explorer, followed by a Open With ... 
and then select/specify the app.

Z

___


You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

RE: Old FrameMaker versions

At 12:41 -0700 20/3/13, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:

And the situation is more complex again on Mac,... you can have up to half
a dozen apps that can open, say, a PDF.)

Hmmm I would have thought (but not certain) that the current OS X release
did not use the file name extension to select the app for opening PDF files.
It _probably_ looks at the magic bytes just like other UNIX systems.

Not sure but can check. What I do know is that the file type byte can be
honored, but you can also set a chosen app for all files of a specific type
(identified how, one wonders) - but that it is not always 100% foolproof. But
I'm several OS X versions behind the leading edge anyway.

This sort of stuff makes my head hurt these days, but these links might help,
if anyone cares:

https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/FileManagement/Conceptual/understanding_utis/understand_utis_intro/understand_utis_intro.html

http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1762250seqNum=6

Which, in the case of PDF files, would be the leading bytes %PDF- inside the
files.

Maybe.

A question though: if you have more than one app available to open a PDF file,
how does OS X actually select which app to use?

The user procedure is set the default app for a file is to do a 'get info' on a
file of the type in question. That displays a dialog that allows you to choose
the app to open that file when clicked, with an option to extend your choice to
all files of that type. Or you can just drag the file onto the chosen app's
icon in the Dock. I cited PDFs because it's probably the file type with most
launch options on the average professional's Mac: Preview (Apple's default PDF
reader), Acrobat, Adobe Reader, Illustrator, GraphicConverter (a shareware
graphic file manipulator), PDFPen, and so on...)

In Windows, there is one default for each extension, but you can override that
with a right-mouse-click on the file in Explorer, followed by a Open With
... and then select/specify the app.

Yup, I use Windows as well. I guess there is no one 'best' way to handle this
sort of thing, and OS X can be cumbersome in this regard - like, you really
really don't want Illustrator to open a PDF when you click on it unless you
*really* want it to, and so on.

--
Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet]
___

You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

attach Caption to floating Anchored Frame

2013-03-20 Thread William W. Saylor, PE

I suspect this is another dumb question:

I am using FM10 on Win7 writing a multi-chapter technical book. Is there a
simple way to attach a following caption to an anchored frame when I let the
anchored frame float? I use the auto-numbering of the figures and
auto-referencing to the Captions extensively. 

Thanks,

Bill

___


You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Re: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-20 Thread John Sgammato

You need CleanImport: http://www.electropubs.com/ez_cleanimport3.html
An excellent tool
john

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:54 AM, john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com wrote:

 Hi, guys...As I created my template from scratch, I have a number of P
 styles that I've used, then stopped using. I therefore have a bunch of
 styles that I need to clean out...from about 500 files. I maintain a
 control document with only the valid styles and when I need to change or
 modify a style, I do it in this document to test it's impact, then import
 to all other docs in book. What this won't do is remove styles from all the
 files that aren't in the control document.

 How do you go about doing this?

 John Posada

 -
 **
 This E-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. If
 you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or
 use any part of it. If you have received this message in error,
 please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the
 sender immediately by return E-mail.

 Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely, secure,
 error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any
 errors or omissions.
 **
 SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT!
 ___


 You are currently subscribed to framers as john.sgamm...@actifio.com.

 Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

 To unsubscribe send a blank email to
 framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
 or visit
 http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/john.sgammato%40actifio.com

 Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
 http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.




-- 









*John Sgammato  *

Documentation Architect

*e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com

*w* +1-(508) 927-2083

*Recover anything instantly for up to 90% less than you're paying now.*
___


You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Re: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

You don't need to install anything to run ExtendScript scripts with
FM11, do you?

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2011/10/extendscript-of-the-week-deleting-unused-formats-in-a-book.html
___


You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Re: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-20 Thread rebecca officer

Hi John

If your system's too pinned down to install a plug-in, AND you know the names of all those styles you want rid of, AND you've got a decent text editor, then you can do this on bulk MIF files.

It'd pay to search the FM files first to make sure no text is using any of the old styles.

Then back up everything

Then convert all your FM files to MIF, open the MIF files in bulk, figure out the paragraph catalog lines for your unwanted styles, and use global search and replace across all your files to remove those catalog entries.

Did I mention you want to back everything up first?

Cheers
Rebecca John Posada jposad...@gmail.com 20/03/13 13:44
Rick..im interested. Here's the kicker...im in a super-locked down environment and to install anything takes an act of god. Does your plugin require the installation of anything above and beyond FM11. Feel free to carry this conversation off-list.
On Mar 19, 2013 7:13 PM, "Matt Sullivan" m...@mattrsullivan.com wrote:

I've used Rick Quatro's excellent affordable plug-ins in producing my FM11 book, and for other clients.

-Matt
Matt R. Sullivan co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11 P: 714.960.6840 | C: 714.585.2335 | m...@mattrsullivan.com @mattrsullivan LinkedIn facebook mattrsullivan.com

On Mar 19, 2013, at 8:54 AM, john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com wrote:
Hi, guys...As I created my template from scratch, I have a number of Pstyles that I've used, then stopped using. I therefore have a bunch ofstyles that I need to clean out...from about 500 files. I maintain acontrol document with only the valid styles and when I need to change ormodify a style, I do it in this document to test it's impact, then importto all other docs in book. What this won't do is remove styles from all thefiles that aren't in the control document.How do you go about doing this?John Posada-**This E-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. Ifyou are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose oruse any part of it. If you have received this message in error,please delete it and all copies from your system and notify thesender immediately by return E-mail.Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely, secure,error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for anyerrors or omissions.**SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT!___You are currently subscribed to framers as m...@mattrsullivan.com.Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.comor visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40mattrsullivan.comSend administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.___You are currently subscribed to framers as jposad...@gmail.com.Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.comor visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jposada99%40gmail.comSend administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidentialinformation
intended only for the use of the addresseenamed above. If you are not the
intended recipient ofthis message you are hereby notified that you must
notdisseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it.If you have
received this message in error pleasenotify Allied TelesisLabs Ltd
immediately.Any views expressed in this message are those of
theindividual sender, except where the sender has theauthority to issue
and specifically states them tobe the views of Allied Telesis Labs.

___

You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

RE: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-20 Thread Harro de Jong

John Posada wrote:
 
 Hi, guys...As I created my template from scratch, I have a number of P styles 
 that
 I've used, then stopped using. I therefore have a bunch of styles that I need 
 to clean
 out...from about 500 files. I maintain a control document with only the valid 
 styles
 and when I need to change or modify a style, I do it in this document to test 
 it's
 impact, then import to all other docs in book. What this won't do is remove 
 styles
 from all the files that aren't in the control document.


As others said, Silicon Prairie's Paragraph Tools works well for this. In 
addition, I'd create a new temporary book and add all the Frame files to it 
that you want to convert. This way you only have to set up and run the 
conversion once. 

Paragraph Tools installation is by dropping a .dll file into fminit\Plugins. No 
installer to run.


Harro de Jong
Triview
___


You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Keyboard shortcut for frame anchoring position?

2013-03-20 Thread Harding, Dan

FrameMaker 10, Windows 7 64-bit.

I'm a keyboard-centric kinda guy. I eschew the mouse whenever possible. So I 
try to learn keyboard shortcuts, and for more lengthy processes, I automate via 
AutoHotkey. I'm running into issues with these [CENSORED] pods and that certain 
elements and actions are not accessible via keyboard.

For placing a certain type of graphic, I uses the following keystrokes:

Esc f I f (import file)
filename Enter
Esc m p (shrinkwrap)
Shift-left arrow (selects graphic)

Now here's where the bugaboo occurs. I want to change the anchoring position of 
the selected object from its At Insertion Point to Below current line, but 
cannot figure out a way to do it without having to use the mouse!

(The graphic imports as Below current line, but shrinkwrapping it changes it, 
so I need to change it back. The reason the shrinkwrap step is necessary is 
that the graphic imports with space padded around it by default, which the 
shrinkwrapping removes. I don't want that extra padded space.)

Esc s a will get focus to that pod, but the Anchoring Position dropdown is 
never selectable.

Is there some sort of keyboard shortcut that will either get me to that 
dropdown list to change its setting, or that will set the anchor to Below 
current line?

Prior to the advent of pods, this was actually doable.

Alternatively, is there a way to set FrameMaker so that all imported graphics 
are automatically shrinkwrapped, or have no padding?

Grr... Idonwannausamouse!

Dan Harding
Technical Editorial Specialist
University of Illinois Tax School
419 Mumford Hall
1301 West Gregory Drive
Urbana, IL 61801
217-333-0935

___


You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Re: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

Here's the ExtendScript I linked to earlier. The DeleteUnused...Fmt
functions would seem to make it pretty simple. You could maybe create
a giant scratch book containing all your .fm files and run the script
once.

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/scripting/WSfbe285cf4bf3fffd-491bdbc212f9bbd97f1-7f1c.html

/*/
/*
 */
/* ADOBE SYSTEMS INCORPORATED
 */
/* Copyright 1986 - 2011 Adobe Systems Incorporated*/
/* All Rights Reserved
 */
/*
 */
/* NOTICE:  Adobe permits you to use, modify, and distribute this  */
/* file in accordance with the terms of the Adobe license agreement */
/* accompanying it.  If you have received this file from a source   */
/* other than Adobe, then your use, modification, or distribution  */
/* of it requires the prior written permission of Adobe.
 */
/*
   */
/**/
/*
 * Program Name:
 * delete unused formats  
 *
 * Author:
 *  Vikash Kumar (vik...@adobe.com)
 *
 * General Description:
 *This script deletes all the unused table, paragraph and
character formats in a book
 *
 **/


book = app.ActiveBook
bookTraverse(book)

function bookTraverse(book)
{
if (!book.ObjectValid() )
{
Alert (No Active book ,Constants.FF_ALERT_CONTINUE_WARN)
return
 }

var ret = Alert (All the files in the book will be modified and
saved: Press OK to continue or cancel to
abort,Constants.FF_ALERT_OK_DEFAULT)
 if (ret == -1)
{
return
}
var compBook = book.FirstComponentInBook
while(compBook.ObjectValid() )
{
var compName = compBook.Name
var compType = compBook.BookComponentFileType
var doc = open(compName)

if (compType == Constants.FV_BK_BOOK)
{
bookTraverse (doc)
 }
  if (doc.ObjectValid() )
  {
deletefromdoc (doc)
saveDoc (doc, doc.Name)
doc.Close (1)
   }
compBook = compBook.NextBookComponentInDFSOrder
 }
 Alert (Operation finished ,Constants.FF_ALERT_CONTINUE_WARN)
}


function deletefromdoc(doc)
{
 doc.DeleteUnusedTblFmt()
 doc.DeleteUnusedPgfFmt()
doc.DeleteUnusedCharFmt()
 }


function open(filename)
{
var openProp = GetOpenDefaultParams()

var i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_FileIsOldVersion)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=Constants.FV_DoOK

i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_FontNotFoundInCatalog)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=Constants.FV_DoOK

i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_FontNotFoundInDoc)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=Constants.FV_DoOK

i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_FileIsInUse)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=Constants.FV_DoCancel

i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_AlertUserAboutFailure)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=Constants.FV_DoCancel

i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_LockCantBeReset)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=Constants.FV_DoOK

i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_MakeVisible)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=false

var retParm = new PropVals()
var fileObj=Open(filename,openProp,retParm);
return fileObj
}


function saveDoc(file,mifName) {

var params = GetSaveDefaultParams()
var returnParamsp =new PropVals()
var i = GetPropIndex(params, Constants.FS_FileType)
params[i].propVal.ival =Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary

//doc2save = SimpleOpen(D:\\extendscript\\myScripts\\tfiles\\SimpleOpen.fm,0);
file.Save(mifName, params, returnParamsp)
return
}
___


You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Re: Old FrameMaker versions

Conflicts between extensions were more common in those days. FileMaker
for Windows originally had the same .fm extension as FrameMaker.

On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Steve Rickaby
srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk wrote:
 The only question remains as to why Word and FrameMaker documents had the 
 same extent, when their internal format was so different.
___


You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com.

Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com

Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-20 Thread Alan T Litchfield

Paragraph Tools is good value for money. You should also use Character 
Tools for those pesky unused character styles and formats.

Alan

On 20/03/13 3:00 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> My FindChangeFormats plugin does one format at a time. It doesn't
> require FrameScript. I have a FindChangeFormatsBatch that can do
> hundreds of formats at once, but it requires FrameScript. If you don't
> want to buy FrameScript, you should look at the Silicon Prairie Tools. I
> haven't used this one in particular, but their plugins are usually well
> done (and cheap).
>
> Rick
>
> *From:*framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *John Posada
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:44 PM
> *To:* FrameUsers List
> *Subject:* Re: Need to get my FM11 styles under control
>
> Rick..im interested. Here's the kicker...im in a super-locked down
> environment and to install anything takes an act of god. Does your
> plugin require the installation of anything above and beyond FM11. Feel
> free to carry this conversation off-list.
>
> On Mar 19, 2013 7:13 PM, "Matt Sullivan"  > wrote:
>
> I've used Rick Quatro's excellent affordable plug-ins in producing my
> FM11 book, and for other clients.
>
>
> -Matt
>
> *Matt R. Sullivan*
> *co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11
> *
> *P:* 714.960.6840  | *C:* 714.585.2335
>  | matt at mattrsullivan.com  mattrsullivan.com>
>
> @mattrsullivan
> 
> LinkedIn
> 
> facebook
> 
> mattrsullivan.com 
>
> On Mar 19, 2013, at 8:54 AM, john.x.posada at us.hsbc.com
>  wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi, guys...As I created my template from scratch, I have a number of P
> styles that I've used, then stopped using. I therefore have a bunch of
> styles that I need to clean out...from about 500 files. I maintain a
> control document with only the valid styles and when I need to change or
> modify a style, I do it in this document to test it's impact, then import
> to all other docs in book. What this won't do is remove styles from all the
> files that aren't in the control document.
>
> How do you go about doing this?
>
> John Posada
>
> -
> **
> This E-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. If
> you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or
> use any part of it. If you have received this message in error,
> please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the
> sender immediately by return E-mail.
>
> Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely, secure,
> error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any
> errors or omissions.
> **
> SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT!
> ___
>
>
> You are currently subscribed to framers as matt at mattrsullivan.com
> .
>
> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com
> .
>
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to
> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> or visit
> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40mattrsullivan.com
>
> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com
> . Visit
> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
>
>
> ___
>
>
> You are currently subscribed to framers as jposada99 at gmail.com
> .
>
> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com
> .
>
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to
> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> or visit
> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jposada99%40gmail.com
>
> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com
> . Visit
> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
>
>
>
> ___
>
>
> You are currently subscribed to framers as alan at alphabyte.co.nz.
>
> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.
>
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to
> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
> or visit 
> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz
>
> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com.

Custom font renders different when saving as PDF vs print PS and distill

2013-03-20 Thread Shlomo Perets

Dov Isaacs wrote:

| The problem appears to be associated with not using the RGB option when
using
| the "save as PDF" option.

| When you don't use the RGB option, FrameMaker uses the old UNIX FrameMaker

| PostScript generator instead of using the Windows PostScript driver via
GDI.
| Apparently that UNIX PostScript generator code had some problems mapping
characters
| in Rick's symbol font. It could have been a missing mapping table in the
font itself.

Since this CMYK support was introduced in FrameMaker 9, it was associated
with various problems in PDF outputs (seemingly unrelated to color).

In FrameMaker 9 (with all patches applied), having the CMYK option on still
transforms the standard Arial Narrow and Arial Black fonts to Times New
Roman in PDFs, and Palatino Linotype text becomes ornaments. This specific
problem was experienced with FrameMaker 10 as well (or possible even 11)l,
but was likely addressed with later patches.

As a general practice with FM9 or later, unless you have a specific need for
CMYK PDFs (and take the time/effort to check the output), I highly recommend
turning ON "Convert CMYK Colors to RGB" in the Save as PDF dialog box (i.e.
have output generated in the FM8 or earlier mode).

Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://microtype.com

FrameMaker/Acrobat/Captivate training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat
TimeSavers/Assistants

Free half-hour webinars: FM Hypertext (March 20), Embedding Files in PDFs
(March 21)

-- next part --
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
<http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130320/c164dad1/attachment.html>

Need to get my FM11 styles under control

>Paragraph Tools is good value for money. You should also use Character
Tools for those pesky unused character styles and formats.
>
>Alan

Although I am happy to recommend other tools, I should point out that my
script ($80 and requires FrameScript) handles a lot of format types at once.
Here are the instructions from the script:

/*
This script changes cross-references, paragraphs, tables, user
variables, characters, etc. from one format to another.
You can optionally delete the old format from the document's catalog.

The script requires a batch file containing four columns.
Column 1 lists the type of format to find: 
  X for cross-reference
  P for paragraph
  T for table
  V for variable
  C for character format
  CO for condition format
  MP for master page
  M for marker type
  CL for color

Column 2 lists the format to find, column 3 lists the format to change to,
and column 4 contains a Y if you want to delete the old format from the
document's catalog. If the format in column 3 does not exist in the
document,
the find format will be renamed to the change format.

The enclosed FindChangeFormatBatch.fm can be used as a batch file.

To simply delete a format from the catalog, put its format type in column
one, its name in column 2, and a Y in column 4. Leave column 3 blank.

Format names are case-sensitive.

The script can be run on a single document, book, or folder (and
subfolders).
The results of the script are recorded in a log which is saved in the same
folder as the book, document, or folder. It will have the same name as the 
book or document, but with a .log extension. If you run it on a folder,
the log will be in that folder and be called FindChangeFormatsBatch.log.


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
rick at frameexpert.com

OT: Word templates

I have a client that needs some work done with their MS Word templates. If
you do that kind of work for hire, please contact me offlist and I will
forward you information to my client. Thanks.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
rick at frameexpert.com

Need to get my FM11 styles under control

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:39 AM
To: 'Alan T Litchfield'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

>Paragraph Tools is good value for money. You should also use Character
Tools for those pesky unused character styles and formats.
>
>Alan

Although I am happy to recommend other tools, I should point out that my script 
($80 and requires FrameScript) handles a lot of format types at once.
Here are the instructions from the script:

/*
This script changes cross-references, paragraphs, tables, user variables, 
characters, etc. from one format to another.
You can optionally delete the old format from the document's catalog.

The script requires a batch file containing four columns.
Column 1 lists the type of format to find:
  X for cross-reference
  P for paragraph
  T for table
  V for variable
  C for character format
  CO for condition format
  MP for master page
  M for marker type
  CL for color

Column 2 lists the format to find, column 3 lists the format to change to, and 
column 4 contains a Y if you want to delete the old format from the document's 
catalog. If the format in column 3 does not exist in the document, the find 
format will be renamed to the change format.

The enclosed FindChangeFormatBatch.fm can be used as a batch file.

To simply delete a format from the catalog, put its format type in column one, 
its name in column 2, and a Y in column 4. Leave column 3 blank.

Format names are case-sensitive.

The script can be run on a single document, book, or folder (and subfolders).
The results of the script are recorded in a log which is saved in the same 
folder as the book, document, or folder. It will have the same name as the book 
or document, but with a .log extension. If you run it on a folder, the log will 
be in that folder and be called FindChangeFormatsBatch.log.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
rick at frameexpert.com

___

You are currently subscribed to framers as cmartinek at zebra.com.

Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
or visit 
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/cmartinek%40zebra.com

Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

- CONFIDENTIAL-

This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be 
legally privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, 
use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, 
please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email.

FM11 output crashing - silentrobohtml.exe appcrash

Ignore previous email... (responding to Rick's question)

We're looking at TCS4, trying to output one of our manuals using the default 
Multiscreen HTML5 output targets.

I did this successfully once... but now with the exact same document, its 
crashing with the following error:

RoboHelp command line did not execute successfully.
Details are that its an APPCRASH of silentrobohtml.exe

My coworker is having the same problem.

Any suggestions/solutions?

-Carla


- CONFIDENTIAL-

This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be 
legally privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, 
use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, 
please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email.

Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-20 Thread Combs, Richard

Alan T Litchfield wrote:

> Paragraph Tools is good value for money. You should also use Character
> Tools for those pesky unused character styles and formats.
> 
> Alan
> 
> On 20/03/13 3:00 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
> > Hi John,
> >
> > My FindChangeFormats plugin does one format at a time. It doesn't
> > require FrameScript. I have a FindChangeFormatsBatch that can do
> > hundreds of formats at once, but it requires FrameScript. If you don't
> > want to buy FrameScript, you should look at the Silicon Prairie Tools. I
> > haven't used this one in particular, but their plugins are usually well
> > done (and cheap).

I'm a very satisfied customer of both Silicon Prairie and Rick, and happy to 
recommend both. But John said that he's "in a super-locked down environment and 
to install anything takes an act of god." Unless I'm misunderstanding his 
statement, that rules out any plugins (including FrameScript, thus ruling out 
FS scripts). 

John, since you have FM 11, I think your only non-manual alternative is 
ExtendScript. I suspect Rick could whip up an ExtendScript script that suits 
your needs for a reasonable fee -- assuming you can at least install a script 
(non-executable) in your environment. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
--

Need to get my FM11 styles under control

Hi Richard,

Thanks for the recommendation. FWIW, duplicating this script in ExtendScript
would be a large undertaking. The FrameScript version is over 1700 lines and
has gone through quite a few iterations over the years. Just think about
what it takes to find/change a character format. You not only have to look
for occurrences in text, but also in autonumber formats, variable formats,
and cross-reference formats. Colors are complicated as well because they
show up in many different places in a document.

It is such a useful script that I will probably end up duplicating it in
ExtendScript one of these days. But if someone wanted it tomorrow, it would
certainly be more expensive than the FrameScript version! Thanks again.

Rick


I'm a very satisfied customer of both Silicon Prairie and Rick, and happy to
recommend both. But John said that he's "in a super-locked down environment
and to install anything takes an act of god." Unless I'm misunderstanding
his statement, that rules out any plugins (including FrameScript, thus
ruling out FS scripts). 

John, since you have FM 11, I think your only non-manual alternative is
ExtendScript. I suspect Rick could whip up an ExtendScript script that suits
your needs for a reasonable fee -- assuming you can at least install a
script (non-executable) in your environment. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
--






___


You are currently subscribed to framers as rick at rickquatro.com.

Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
or visit
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rick%40rickquatro.com

Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

Old FrameMaker versions

Someone posted here recently to say that 'all their old FrameMaker files had 
become Word files'.

I've just had course to look at some year 2000 files in FrameMaker 4 format. 
These have a '.doc' extent, but open just fine in FrameMaker 7. I have no idea 
why they are '.doc', but this might have given rise to the confusion  in 
question.

-- 
Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet]

Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-20 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Standing back from this discussion (I'm excluded from a lot of plugins due to 
still being on Mac), I'd just point out the fact that I keep forgetting myself: 
that Steve Kubis' (SiliconPrairie) char and para tools work at the book level 
too. 

Construct a temporary book containing all the files you want to clean up, run 
'Delete unused para/char formats', then discard temp book: job done.

-- 
Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet]

Old FrameMaker versions

2013-03-20 Thread Paul Wilbraham

I can recall, in the early days of FrameMaker, all FrameMaker documents were
given the .doc suffix.

Later, this changed to .fm, maybe around version 3 or 4.

--Paul Wilbraham


> On 20 March 2013 at 16:37 Steve Rickaby 
> wrote:
>
>
> Someone posted here recently to say that 'all their old FrameMaker files had
> become Word files'.
>
> I've just had course to look at some year 2000 files in FrameMaker 4 format.
> These have a '.doc' extent, but open just fine in FrameMaker 7. I have no idea
> why they are '.doc', but this might have given rise to the confusion in
> question.
>
> --
> Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet]
> ___
>
>
> You are currently subscribed to framers as paul.wilbraham at m-ais.com.
>
> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.
>
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to
> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
> or visit
> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/paul.wilbraham%40m-ais.com
>
> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit
> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
-- next part --
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: 
<http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130320/007f3b04/attachment.html>

Old FrameMaker versions

Yes! Whoever saved the files (in your case) from FrameMaker chose to use a 
".doc" extension, for whatever reason. I guess they figured these were 
"documents"! :)

In general, the file name extension _usually_ does not mean anything to an 
application - I could save an Excel file with an .fm extension and it would 
fail to open properly in FrameMaker! Not surprising.

And, I could also save a FrameMaker document with a ".xls" extension and still 
open it correctly in FrameMaker, although Excel would barf trying to read it!

There are interesting exceptions to this, of course. For example, Excel can 
open files with different content. A file with a ".csv" extension is assumed to 
contain comma-delimited text. A file with a ".txt" extension containing CSV 
formatted info can be treated differently by Excel than the _same_ file with a 
".csv" extension - this can lead to some interesting confusions.

The point is that Windows makes assumptions about which application to use to 
open a file based on their extension - that is their useful purpose. And 
applications can make assumptions about the file content based on the extension.

Also, a file ending in ".com" or ".exe" is assumed to be an executable - a 
FrameMaker or Word file renamed in this manner would simply fail to execute in 
Windows or DOS!

Z

Historical side-bar: this treatment is quite different in UNIX systems, where 
extensions do not have any special meaning. So, files can contain information 
that identify the content, thus allowing for the existence of the "file" 
command ... this command looks at this identifier byte in any file to tell you 
what the file is likely to be, although it also makes assumptions by looking at 
content _within_ the file (for ASCII text files for example):

# file /usr/bin/ls
/usr/bin/ls:ELF 32-bit MSB executable SPARC Version 1, dynamically linked, 
stripped
# file /usr/bin/file
/usr/bin/file:  ELF 32-bit MSB executable SPARC Version 1, dynamically linked, 
stripped
# file /etc/hosts
/etc/hosts: ascii text

By the way, the known identification bytes are listed in the file /etc/magic 
... :)

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:37 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Old FrameMaker versions

Someone posted here recently to say that 'all their old FrameMaker files had 
become Word files'.

I've just had course to look at some year 2000 files in FrameMaker 4 format. 
These have a '.doc' extent, but open just fine in FrameMaker 7. I have no idea 
why they are '.doc', but this might have given rise to the confusion  in 
question.

Old FrameMaker versions

2013-03-20 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

At 17:35 + 20/3/13, Paul Wilbraham wrote:

>I can recall, in the early days of FrameMaker, all FrameMaker documents were 
>given the .doc suffix.
> 
>Later, this changed to .fm, maybe around version 3 or 4.

That would explain it, then. The only question remains as to why Word and 
FrameMaker documents had the same extent, when their internal format was so 
different.

If Max Hoffmann is reading this, maybe he can explain?

At 10:53 -0700 20/3/13, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:

>Historical side-bar: this treatment is quite different in UNIX systems, where 
>extensions do not have any special meaning.

And the situation is more complex again on Mac, where the file type byte is 
retained in some files for backward compatibility with pre-OS X OS versions, 
which built an invisible database that matched files with their home 
application, but OS X (Unix under the covers) also takes a file name extent 
into consideration. (And on OS X you can have up to half a dozen apps that can 
open, say, a PDF.)

-- 
Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet]

Old FrameMaker versions

> And the situation is more complex again on Mac, where the file type byte is 
> retained in some files for backward compatibility with pre-OS X OS versions, 
> which built an invisible database that matched files with their home 
> application, but OS X (Unix under the covers) also takes a file name extent 
> into consideration. (And on OS X you can have up to half a dozen apps that 
> can open, say, a PDF.)

Hmmm  I would have thought (but not certain) that the current OS X release 
did not use the file name extension to select the app for opening PDF files. It 
_probably_ looks at the magic bytes just like other UNIX systems.

Which, in the case of PDF files, would be the leading bytes "%PDF-" inside the 
files.

A question though: if you have more than one app available to open a PDF file, 
how does OS X actually select which app to use?

In Windows, there is one default for each extension, but you can override that 
with a right-mouse-click on the file in Explorer, followed by a "Open With ..." 
and then select/specify the app.

Z

Old FrameMaker versions

At 12:41 -0700 20/3/13, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:

> > And the situation is more complex again on Mac,... you can have up to half 
> > a dozen apps that can open, say, a PDF.)
>
>Hmmm  I would have thought (but not certain) that the current OS X release 
>did not use the file name extension to select the app for opening PDF files. 
>It _probably_ looks at the magic bytes just like other UNIX systems.

Not sure but can check. What I do know is that the file type byte can be 
honored, but you can also set a chosen app for all files of a specific type 
(identified how, one wonders) - but that it is not always 100% foolproof. But 
I'm several OS X versions behind the leading edge anyway.

This sort of stuff makes my head hurt these days, but these links might help, 
if anyone cares:

>Which, in the case of PDF files, would be the leading bytes "%PDF-" inside the 
>files.

Maybe.

>A question though: if you have more than one app available to open a PDF file, 
>how does OS X actually select which app to use?

The user procedure is set the default app for a file is to do a 'get info' on a 
file of the type in question. That displays a dialog that allows you to choose 
the app to open that file when clicked, with an option to extend your choice to 
all files of that type. Or you can just drag the file onto the chosen app's 
icon in the Dock. I cited PDFs because it's probably the file type with most 
launch options on the average professional's Mac: Preview (Apple's default PDF 
reader), Acrobat, Adobe Reader, Illustrator, GraphicConverter (a shareware 
graphic file manipulator), PDFPen, and so on...)

>In Windows, there is one default for each extension, but you can override that 
>with a right-mouse-click on the file in Explorer, followed by a "Open With 
>..." and then select/specify the app.

Yup, I use Windows as well. I guess there is no one 'best' way to handle this 
sort of thing, and OS X can be cumbersome in this regard - like, you really 
really don't want Illustrator to open a PDF when you click on it unless you 
*really* want it to, and so on.

-- 
Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet]

Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-20 Thread rebecca officer

Hi John

If your system's too pinned down to install a plug-in, AND you know the names
of all those styles you want rid of, AND you've got a decent text editor, then
you can do this on bulk MIF files.

It'd pay to search the FM files first to make sure no text is using any of the
old styles.

Then back up everything

Then convert all your FM files to MIF, open the MIF files in bulk, figure out
the paragraph catalog lines for your unwanted styles, and use global search and
replace across all your files to remove those catalog entries.

Did I mention you want to back everything up first?

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> John Posada 20/03/13 13:44 >>>

Rick..im interested. Here's the kicker...im in a super-locked down environment
and to install anything takes an act of god. Does your plugin require the
installation of anything above and beyond FM11. Feel free to carry this
conversation off-list.
On Mar 19, 2013 7:13 PM, "Matt Sullivan" wrote:

I've used Rick Quatro's excellent affordable plug-ins in producing my FM11
book, and for other clients.

-Matt

Matt R. Sullivan
co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11
P: 714.960.6840 | C: 714.585.2335 | matt at mattrsullivan.com

@mattrsullivan LinkedIn facebook mattrsullivan.com

On Mar 19, 2013, at 8:54 AM, john.x.posada at us.hsbc.com wrote:

Hi, guys...As I created my template from scratch, I have a number of P
styles that I've used, then stopped using. I therefore have a bunch of
styles that I need to clean out...from about 500 files. I maintain a
control document with only the valid styles and when I need to change or
modify a style, I do it in this document to test it's impact, then import
to all other docs in book. What this won't do is remove styles from all the
files that aren't in the control document.

How do you go about doing this?

John Posada

-
**
This E-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. If
you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or
use any part of it. If you have received this message in error,
please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the
sender immediately by return E-mail.

Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely, secure,
error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any
errors or omissions.
**
SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT!
___

You are currently subscribed to framers as matt at mattrsullivan.com.

Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
or visit
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40mattrsullivan.com

Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.

___

You are currently subscribed to framers as jposada99 at gmail.com.

Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.

To unsubscribe send a blank email to
framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com
or visit
http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jposada99%40gmail.com

Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit
http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential
information intended only for the use of the addressee
named above. If you are not the intended recipient of
this message you are hereby notified that you must not
disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it.
If you have received this message in error please
notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately.
Any views expressed in this message are those of the
individual sender, except where the sender has the
authority to issue and specifically states them to
be the views of Allied Telesis Labs.
-- next part --
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
<http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130320/e58efacc/attachment.html>
-- next part --
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: image/png
Size: 1331 bytes
Desc: not available
URL:
<http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130320/e58efacc/attachment.png>
-- next part --
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: image/png
Size: 1380 bytes
Desc: not available
URL:
<http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130320/e58efacc/attachment-0001.png>
-- next part --
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: image/png
Size: 1576 bytes
Desc: not available
URL:
<http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130320/e58ef

Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-20 Thread Harro de Jong

John Posada wrote:
> 
> Hi, guys...As I created my template from scratch, I have a number of P styles 
> that
> I've used, then stopped using. I therefore have a bunch of styles that I need 
> to clean
> out...from about 500 files. I maintain a control document with only the valid 
> styles
> and when I need to change or modify a style, I do it in this document to test 
> it's
> impact, then import to all other docs in book. What this won't do is remove 
> styles
> from all the files that aren't in the control document.

As others said, Silicon Prairie's Paragraph Tools works well for this. In 
addition, I'd create a new temporary book and add all the Frame files to it 
that you want to convert. This way you only have to set up and run the 
conversion once. 

Paragraph Tools installation is by dropping a .dll file into fminit\Plugins. No 
installer to run.

Harro de Jong
Triview

Need to get my FM11 styles under control

Here's the ExtendScript I linked to earlier. The DeleteUnused...Fmt
functions would seem to make it pretty simple. You could maybe create
a giant scratch book containing all your .fm files and run the script
once.

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/scripting/WSfbe285cf4bf3fffd-491bdbc212f9bbd97f1-7f1c.html

/*/
/*
 */
/* ADOBE SYSTEMS INCORPORATED
 */
/* Copyright 1986 - 2011 Adobe Systems Incorporated*/
/* All Rights Reserved
 */
/*
 */
/* NOTICE:  Adobe permits you to use, modify, and distribute this  */
/* file in accordance with the terms of the Adobe license agreement */
/* accompanying it.  If you have received this file from a source   */
/* other than Adobe, then your use, modification, or distribution  */
/* of it requires the prior written permission of Adobe.
 */
/*
   */
/**/
/*
 * Program Name:
 *<< delete unused formats  >>
 *
 * Author:
 *  Vikash Kumar (vikash at adobe.com)
 *
 * General Description:
 *This script deletes all the unused table, paragraph and
character formats in a book
 *
 **/


book = app.ActiveBook
bookTraverse(book)

function bookTraverse(book)
{
if (!book.ObjectValid() )
{
Alert ("No Active book" ,Constants.FF_ALERT_CONTINUE_WARN)
return
 }

var ret = Alert ("All the files in the book will be modified and
saved: Press  to continue or  to
abort",Constants.FF_ALERT_OK_DEFAULT)
 if (ret == -1)
{
return
}
var compBook = book.FirstComponentInBook
while(compBook.ObjectValid() )
{
var compName = compBook.Name
var compType = compBook.BookComponentFileType
var doc = open(compName)

if (compType == Constants.FV_BK_BOOK)
{
bookTraverse (doc)
 }
  if (doc.ObjectValid() )
  {
deletefromdoc (doc)
saveDoc (doc, doc.Name)
doc.Close (1)
   }
compBook = compBook.NextBookComponentInDFSOrder
 }
 Alert ("Operation finished" ,Constants.FF_ALERT_CONTINUE_WARN)
}


function deletefromdoc(doc)
{
 doc.DeleteUnusedTblFmt()
 doc.DeleteUnusedPgfFmt()
doc.DeleteUnusedCharFmt()
 }


function open(filename)
{
var openProp = GetOpenDefaultParams()

var i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_FileIsOldVersion)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=Constants.FV_DoOK

i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_FontNotFoundInCatalog)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=Constants.FV_DoOK

i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_FontNotFoundInDoc)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=Constants.FV_DoOK

i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_FileIsInUse)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=Constants.FV_DoCancel

i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_AlertUserAboutFailure)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=Constants.FV_DoCancel

i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_LockCantBeReset)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=Constants.FV_DoOK

i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_MakeVisible)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=false

var retParm = new PropVals()
var fileObj=Open(filename,openProp,retParm);
return fileObj
}


function saveDoc(file,mifName) {

var params = GetSaveDefaultParams()
var returnParamsp =new PropVals()
var i = GetPropIndex(params, Constants.FS_FileType)
params[i].propVal.ival =Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary

//doc2save = SimpleOpen("D:\\extendscript\\myScripts\\tfiles\\SimpleOpen.fm",0);
file.Save(mifName, params, returnParamsp)
return
}

Old FrameMaker versions