date:20131217

RE: CMY data in PDF for JPEGs [do have workaround, but just)

2013-12-17 Thread Davis, David

Fair enough, Steve.
Although in all seriousness, I wonder is it worth trying some other 
print-houses?
The one you're using seems to think it's still 1983 :) 

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: 13 December 2013 16:18
To: Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: CMY data in PDF for JPEGs [do have workaround, but just)

At 02:55 -0600 13/12/13, Davis, David wrote:

Not wanting to be contrary here, but why does the PDF have to be only 
grayscale, just because it's going to be printed in black and white? Surely 
the printer driver should be perfectly capable of making intelligent decisions 
about converting the colours to grey.

Apparently not - I've tried it.

(And, indeed, it will make better decisions than you can earlier in the chain, 
cos it will know more about the output device).

Actually, for all the book's I've sent to press, I've known more or less 
nothing about the output device(S) - I just get a pre-press spec from the 
printers, which often takes the form of a Distiller jobspec file. However, I do 
know a range of things that must not be in the pre-press file, such as 
hairlines. And color ;-)

I mean, for instance, any domestic or office printer in existence will happily 
print in greyscale if you feed it a colour file (there's usually a checkbox 
somewhere in the print dialog). I'm sure most of us do and see this every day. 
 I appreciate some things look better than others when neutered like this 
(some hues of colour won't give very good contrast against each other in grey) 
... but the remedy for that is more in choosing the colours in the first 
place, not in some fancy 'conversion to greyscale' process. For instance I 
can't think that green text on an orange background is ever going to be very 
clear in greyscale, no matter what point in the chain you convert it.

Well I'm not going to argue with you, but I have a pre-press spec to work to, 
and it disallowed C, M and Y channel data.

-- 
Steve

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Re: FrameMaker 9: Table Alighment

2013-12-17 Thread Shmuel Wolfson


  
  
I think what you need to do is have the
  text in the frame aligned with the bottom of the frame instead of
  the top as it usually is. I'm not sure how to do that, but I'm
  sure there is a way.
  Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

  On 17-Dec-13 4:48 PM, Waltermeyer, Brenda L. wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
FrameMaker 9 (Unstructured)
Windows 7

Is there a way to have a table grow from
  the bottom up, instead of top down?
For example:
The bottom row has a line at the bottom,
  this line is aligned with the bottom of a logo on the left
  side of the page.
I have a table that has 11 rows and each
  row is conditioned for Show/Hide.
When I hide the first row it moves the
  bottom of the table up. I want the bottom to say aligned with
  the bottom of the logo and the top of the table moves down.

Any idea? (FM file is attached for example
  only)
Thanks for the help in advance.


Brenda
  Waltermeyer
FPS Communications
JHU/APL Force Projection
Sector
443.778.8748 / 240.228.8748

The Johns Hopkins University
Applied Physics Laboratory 
11100 Johns Hopkins Road
Room MP6-S645
Laurel, MD 20723
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RE: FrameMaker 9: Table Alighment

2013-12-17 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi Brenda,

 

Not automatically. A good way to do it by hand is to put an anchored frame
above the table. After you show/hide your conditions, then you can stretch
or shrink the anchored frame to line up the table at the bottom. If you have
FrameScript, I can provide a script that would do the adjustment
automatically. If you are interested in this, please contact me offlist.
Thanks.

 

Rick

 

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585-366-4017 **NEW**

r...@frameexpert.com

 

 

 

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Subject: FrameMaker 9: Table Alighment

 

FrameMaker 9 (Unstructured)

Windows 7

 

Is there a way to have a table grow from the bottom up, instead of top down?

For example:

The bottom row has a line at the bottom, this line is aligned with the
bottom of a logo on the left side of the page.

I have a table that has 11 rows and each row is conditioned for Show/Hide.

When I hide the first row it moves the bottom of the table up. I want the
bottom to say aligned with the bottom of the logo and the top of the table
moves down.

 

Any idea? (FM file is attached for example only)

Thanks for the help in advance.

 



Brenda Waltermeyer

FPS Communications

JHU/APL Force Projection Sector

443.778.8748 / 240.228.8748

FPS_Comms_Logo_email

The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory 

11100 Johns Hopkins Road

Room MP6-S645

Laurel, MD 20723

brenda.walterme...@jhuapl.edu 

 

 

 

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Re: FrameMaker 9: Table Alighment

2013-12-17 Thread Shmuel Wolfson


  
  
Apparently it's not as easy as I
  thought. According to the link below, there is no such thing as
  vertical alignment for text within a text frame, only within a
  table cell. 
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2007-December/010290.html
  
  What you could do is add an extra paragraph mark before the table
  with space below the paragraph mark, and conventionalize the
  paragraph mark to only appear when the able row is hidden. 
  Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

  On 17-Dec-13 4:48 PM, Waltermeyer, Brenda L. wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
FrameMaker 9 (Unstructured)
Windows 7

Is there a way to have a table grow from
  the bottom up, instead of top down?
For example:
The bottom row has a line at the bottom,
  this line is aligned with the bottom of a logo on the left
  side of the page.
I have a table that has 11 rows and each
  row is conditioned for Show/Hide.
When I hide the first row it moves the
  bottom of the table up. I want the bottom to say aligned with
  the bottom of the logo and the top of the table moves down.

Any idea? (FM file is attached for example
  only)
Thanks for the help in advance.


Brenda
  Waltermeyer
FPS Communications
JHU/APL Force Projection
Sector
443.778.8748 / 240.228.8748

The Johns Hopkins University
Applied Physics Laboratory 
11100 Johns Hopkins Road
Room MP6-S645
Laurel, MD 20723
brenda.walterme...@jhuapl.edu
  



  
  
  
  
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RE: FrameMaker 9: Table Alighment

2013-12-17 Thread Reng, Dr. Winfried

Hi Brenda,

Instead of a table with many rows, you could also
use a table with just a single cell. Move all your text
inside this table. The paragraph format should have
Cell Vertical Alignment set to Bottom.
Then set a tab stop so that you can left align your values.
Or do not use any tabs, e.g.:
Prepared By: X
Prepared For: X
Task No.: X

Then your text will be aligned to the bottom.

Best regards

Winfried

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L.
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 3:49 PM
To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: FrameMaker 9: Table Alighment

FrameMaker 9 (Unstructured)
Windows 7

Is there a way to have a table grow from the bottom up, instead of top down?
For example:
The bottom row has a line at the bottom, this line is aligned with the bottom 
of a logo on the left side of the page.
I have a table that has 11 rows and each row is conditioned for Show/Hide.
When I hide the first row it moves the bottom of the table up. I want the 
bottom to say aligned with the bottom of the logo and the top of the table 
moves down.

Any idea? (FM file is attached for example only)
Thanks for the help in advance.


Brenda Waltermeyer
FPS Communications
JHU/APL Force Projection Sector
443.778.8748 / 240.228.8748
[FPS_Comms_Logo_email]
The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
11100 Johns Hopkins Road
Room MP6-S645
Laurel, MD 20723
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FrameMaker 9: Table Alighment

2013-12-17 Thread Waltermeyer, Brenda L.

FrameMaker 9 (Unstructured)
Windows 7

Is there a way to have a table grow from the bottom up, instead of top down?
For example:
The bottom row has a line at the bottom, this line is aligned with the bottom
of a logo on the left side of the page.
I have a table that has 11 rows and each row is conditioned for Show/Hide.
When I hide the first row it moves the bottom of the table up. I want the
bottom to say aligned with the bottom of the logo and the top of the table
moves down.

Any idea? (FM file is attached for example only)
Thanks for the help in advance.

Brenda Waltermeyer
FPS Communications
JHU/APL Force Projection Sector
443.778.8748 / 240.228.8748
[cid:image001.png at 01CEFB0C.3F52BF90]
The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
11100 Johns Hopkins Road
Room MP6-S645
Laurel, MD 20723
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FrameMaker 9: Table Alighment

2013-12-17 Thread Shmuel Wolfson

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FrameMaker 9: Table Alighment

2013-12-17 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi Brenda,



Not automatically. A good way to do it by hand is to put an anchored frame
above the table. After you show/hide your conditions, then you can stretch
or shrink the anchored frame to line up the table at the bottom. If you have
FrameScript, I can provide a script that would do the adjustment
automatically. If you are interested in this, please contact me offlist.
Thanks.



Rick



Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-366-4017 **NEW**

rick at frameexpert.com







From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
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Brenda L.
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:49 AM
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: FrameMaker 9: Table Alighment



FrameMaker 9 (Unstructured)

Windows 7



Is there a way to have a table grow from the bottom up, instead of top down?

For example:

The bottom row has a line at the bottom, this line is aligned with the
bottom of a logo on the left side of the page.

I have a table that has 11 rows and each row is conditioned for Show/Hide.

When I hide the first row it moves the bottom of the table up. I want the
bottom to say aligned with the bottom of the logo and the top of the table
moves down.



Any idea? (FM file is attached for example only)

Thanks for the help in advance.





Brenda Waltermeyer

FPS Communications

JHU/APL Force Projection Sector

443.778.8748 / 240.228.8748

FPS_Comms_Logo_email

The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory 

11100 Johns Hopkins Road

Room MP6-S645

Laurel, MD 20723

Brenda.Waltermeyer at jhuapl.edu 







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FrameMaker 9: Table Alighment

2013-12-17 Thread Reng, Dr. Winfried

Hi Brenda,

Instead of a table with many rows, you could also
use a table with just a single cell. Move all your text
inside this table. The paragraph format should have
"Cell Vertical Alignment" set to Bottom.
Then set a tab stop so that you can left align your values.
Or do not use any tabs, e.g.:
Prepared By: X
Prepared For: X
Task No.: X

Then your text will be aligned to the bottom.

Best regards

Winfried

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Waltermeyer, Brenda 
L.
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 3:49 PM
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: FrameMaker 9: Table Alighment

FrameMaker 9 (Unstructured)
Windows 7

Is there a way to have a table grow from the bottom up, instead of top down?
For example:
The bottom row has a line at the bottom, this line is aligned with the bottom 
of a logo on the left side of the page.
I have a table that has 11 rows and each row is conditioned for Show/Hide.
When I hide the first row it moves the bottom of the table up. I want the 
bottom to say aligned with the bottom of the logo and the top of the table 
moves down.

Any idea? (FM file is attached for example only)
Thanks for the help in advance.


Brenda Waltermeyer
FPS Communications
JHU/APL Force Projection Sector
443.778.8748 / 240.228.8748
[FPS_Comms_Logo_email]
The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
11100 Johns Hopkins Road
Room MP6-S645
Laurel, MD 20723
Brenda.Waltermeyer at jhuapl.edu<mailto:Brenda.Waltermeyer at jhuapl.edu>



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CMY data in PDF for JPEGs [do have workaround, but just)

2013-12-17 Thread Cathy Giddens

For what it's worth, after years of trying to figure out the latest version of 
distiller options - always under deadline pressure! - for the last 6 years or 
so I've just uploaded a huge ps file to the printers ftp or more recently 
dropbox acct, and let them sort it out. I send them a pdf as well, to show how 
it's meant to turn out, and a paper dummy as well for ad placement etc.

I'm signing off the list at the end of this week, I'm leaving the job and the 
company is shutting down the book I've done for the last 19 years, the last 18 
of it in Framemaker, and I can't take the FM licence with me (tried but no was 
the answer). I might sign back in on my personal email after we get back from 
the Austrian ski trip in February.

Thank you all for all the help I've had from reading this list, I've learnt 
lots from you all, plus it's been great to be part of the FM community, which 
is a bit thin on the ground down here in New Zealand. Did find some Kiwi users 
through the list too. 

Regards
Cathy Giddens |? Editor
FNZIQS, Registered Quantity Surveyor?

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Fair enough, Steve.
Although in all seriousness, I wonder is it worth trying some other 
print-houses?
The one you're using seems to think it's still 1983 :) 

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: 13 December 2013 16:18
To: Davis, David; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: CMY data in PDF for JPEGs [do have workaround, but just)

At 02:55 -0600 13/12/13, Davis, David wrote:

>Not wanting to be contrary here, but why does the PDF have to be only 
>grayscale, just because it's going to be printed in black and white? Surely 
>the printer driver should be perfectly capable of making intelligent decisions 
>about converting the colours to grey.

Apparently not - I've tried it.

>(And, indeed, it will make better decisions than you can earlier in the chain, 
>cos it will know more about the output device).

Actually, for all the book's I've sent to press, I've known more or less 
nothing about the output device(S) - I just get a pre-press spec from the 
printers, which often takes the form of a Distiller jobspec file. However, I do 
know a range of things that must not be in the pre-press file, such as 
hairlines. And color ;-)

>I mean, for instance, any domestic or office printer in existence will happily 
>print in greyscale if you feed it a colour file (there's usually a checkbox 
>somewhere in the print dialog). I'm sure most of us do and see this every day. 
> I appreciate some things look better than others when neutered like this 
>(some hues of colour won't give very good contrast against each other in grey) 
>... but the remedy for that is more in choosing the colours in the first 
>place, not in some fancy 'conversion to greyscale' process. For instance I 
>can't think that green text on an orange background is ever going to be very 
>clear in greyscale, no matter what point in the chain you convert it.

Well I'm not going to argue with you, but I have a pre-press spec to work to, 
and it disallowed C, M and Y channel data.

-- 
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