Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
On 2014-Feb-14 3:23 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: Hi, Just for your information: The Windows Character Map tool may show characters, even if they are not part of the font! Therefore it could always happen that you try to copy and paste a certain character although it is not part of your font! Alternatives are. BabelMap, free and not very user-friendly. No installation necessary. You can start the exe which you download. http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelMap.html PopChars, often recommended, not free (30 Euros) http://www.ergonis.com/products/popcharwin/ Best regards Winfried Furthermore, the FM EditUtilitiesCharacter Palette also shows characters that do not exist in the font selected. FM will silently substitute a different font if you insert one of those characters using the utility. Very annoying. I use BabelMap; once you get used to it, it's not /too /hard to use. best, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character
Fei Min, there's a bit of confusion going on here! When you say... it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now The Unicode standard is not obsolete, it is alive and well at http://www.unicode.org :) It is not something defined by Adobe FrameMaker or Microsoft Windows. In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e The Windows operating system doesn't give you access to Unicode characters by that method, so that's why that didn't work! :) The utility bundled with Windows to get to them is the venerable Character Map tool (quickest way to launch it is press Windows+R, type charmap and press return, and up it pops...) Its search function is not very good though, and it doesn't show you the characters unless the currently-selected font has a glyph for it - a bit useless, really. If you want something a bit more rigorous and heavy duty for finding exotic Unicode characters, I'd recommend the free Babel Map utility http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelMap.html Your method of cutting-and-pasting the character you want from Word isn't so very wrong though! - with either Character Map or Babel Map, that is still the method you have to use: find your character in the utility, then copy and paste it into Frame. (The reason in may go wrong in Word is because Word might be showing a character using a 'Dingbat' font, which substitutes a different glyph for a different character... so when Frame renders that character with a different font, you don't get the glyph you were expecting). -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:33:50 + From: Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems Message-ID: 422cbc2f0af7d24985d811d2e556f3f00ea9a...@onwater54m.ad.onsemi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I can't find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the symbol? My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can't use the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets other characters instead. She's resorted to copying and pasting from Word, and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I've found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me what to do for FrameMaker 10? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20140213/39cd9421/attachment-0001.html *** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email comes from a division of the Invensys Group, owned by Invensys plc, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at 3rd Floor, 40 Grosvenor Place, London, SW1X 7AW (Registered number 166023). For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please select the Legal Entities link at invensys.com. Invensys PLC is owned by the Schneider-Electric Group. You may contact Invensys plc on +44 (0)20 3155 1200 or e-mail recept...@invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to
Re: Compatibility of old(ish) Software with Windows 7
Robert, I'd agree that if someone is buying a new computer and is only planning on doing word processing on it, then there's probably no point in them spending cash on getting over 2GB RAM in it (spend it on a better quality PSU, or a nice big fast SSD drive, or a couple of nice big monitor screens, or...) But if you already have a PC with 2GB RAM and have a choice of 32bit vs 64bit Windows, then I really don't see any reason to go for 32 bit on the grounds of compatibility - the only things you may have compatibility problems with are, as you say, ancient DOS programs or some obsolete hardware drivers and if someone is concerned with compatibility and wants an easy life, I don't see what they'd be doing with either of those on their PC in the first place! :) Avoiding keeping your IT estate current on compatibility grounds is very much a false economy, as sooner or later they'll find themselves marooned with software that is no longer up to the job and with no easy upgrade path... As for memory-intensive audio software: that's a textbook example of an application where 64 bit is ideal! If you're running big audio sample libraries (e.g. there's orchestral ones out there these days that run to tens of gigabytes) then you'll want them all loaded up in RAM at once, which is only possible on a 64 bit OS. You can expect hugely better performance in that scenario kind of scenario with 64 bit. If you're not seeing it then that suggests to me that something's not configured right on your PC. Message: 6 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:49:35 -0800 From: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Compatibility of old(ish) Software with Windows 7 Message-ID: can3yy4ag7kcnslesfev2r_haitompkztzuduqtpjgkhqpxy...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think buying more than 4GB of RAM would be a waste of money for most tech writers. The only thing I've done in my work where I've needed more than 4GB is testing server applications with large memory footprints. The rest of the time I'm not using even half my 4GB. Outside of work I run music software that's extremely memory-intensive and 4GB on 32-bit is not a bottleneck. On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: On a modern computer/laptop of the past few years, which are usually fully 64-bit capable and _usually_ have more than 4GB of main memory, installing Windows 7 32-bit is silly and wasteful. You end up not using the memory above 4GB (actually, less, since the graphics cards and stuff also take up some of the low-memory in a 32-bit OS load), etc., etc., etc. *** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email comes from a division of the Invensys Group, owned by Invensys plc, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at 3rd Floor, 40 Grosvenor Place, London, SW1X 7AW (Registered number 166023). For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please select the Legal Entities link at invensys.com. Invensys PLC is owned by the Schneider-Electric Group. You may contact Invensys plc on +44 (0)20 3155 1200 or e-mail recept...@invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Compatibility of old(ish) Software with Windows 7
Robert Lauriston wrote: I think buying more than 4GB of RAM would be a waste of money for most tech writers. There's one exception I'm running into at the moment: working with 3d CAD files. I'm using Solidworks Explorer to generate images for a manual; with the entire machine model loaded (a ~100 MB file), Solidworks Explorer happily eats 10+ GB of memory. Harro de Jong Triview ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special
If your colleague is getting the question mark, that's FrameMaker's way of telling you that the font you have asked me to use doesn't have a glyph for that character. It's not uncommon for tech author's to be lumbered with using a font in a Frame Template that someone in the company's Marketing Dept picked because it looks nice, and that someone in the company's IT dept installed cos it was cheap, without realising that it is doesn't have gylphs for a lot of useful technical symbols etc... If you've cut-and-pasted in from Word just by doing Ctrl+V, then chances are you've over-ridden the Frame paragraph style and/or character style for the surrounding text (so Frame may not be trying to use the font you think it's using) - to avoid this, paste into Frame using Paste Special and asking it to paste as unformatted Unicode text (Alt, E, S, U, return). Also make sure your PC has the most up-to-date version of the font installed, as font vendors issue new versions every year or two, usually containing more glyphs. (Check in Control Panel Font to find the version of the font that you have, and on the vendor's website to see if there's a new version... and then if it's not free, have fun emailing Marketing IT and trying to get them to understand what you're talking about and why you'd like them to spend money on a new version of a font...) You may simply find that the font you have been told to use doesn't have a glyph for the character you need. In that case, you can work around it by making a special character style that will apply a suitable font which does have the character... David Message: 4 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 21:07:48 + From: Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.com To: Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com, Lise Bible rentagoodb...@gmail.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems Message-ID: 422cbc2f0af7d24985d811d2e556f3f00ea9a...@onwater54m.ad.onsemi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Thank you for the directions to the Character Palette. That works for me, but my colleague is still getting a question mark when she tries to insert the infinity symbol. There?s obviously something wrong with her setup. Yes, the Character Palette is crude, so it really helped to know that 221E would get me the infinity symbol; otherwise I could spend all day looking for it, and still miss it. Also, thanks for this site, Robert: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/221e/index.htm. It?s very thorough, and it was reassuring to know that the infinity symbol is available in Trebuchet, which is the font we?re using. *** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email comes from a division of the Invensys Group, owned by Invensys plc, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at 3rd Floor, 40 Grosvenor Place, London, SW1X 7AW (Registered number 166023). For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please select the Legal Entities link at invensys.com. Invensys PLC is owned by the Schneider-Electric Group. You may contact Invensys plc on +44 (0)20 3155 1200 or e-mail recept...@invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
Red Face = I found the utilities under file to the right of the column I repeatedly stared at instead of looking around. Red Face returning to Green as in Beginner's Green. Thanks for sending me back to the place were it always was! TED On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Matt Sullivan sullivanma...@gmail.comwrote: Ted, there's nothing wrong with doing what you're doing, but it takes more keystrokes than other options. In Fm12 I have File Utilities Character Palette... you may want to check View Menus to see whether you have somehow clipped your menu selections. For the shortcuts Fred mentioned and more, see http://mattrsullivan.com/blog/fm/insert-infinity-char/, where I explain in more detail how to get what you want, and have links to the Adobe PDFs that are easier to reference than the online help lists. -Matt Matt R. Sullivan *co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11 http://framemaker11book.com/* *P:* 714.798.7596 | *C:* 714.585.2335 | m...@mattrsullivan.com http://twitter.com/mattrsullivan@mattrsullivanhttp://twitter.com/mattrsullivan http://www.linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivanlinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivan http://www.facebook.com/mattrsullivanfacebookhttp://www.facebook.com/mattrsullivan http://mattrsullivan.com/mattrsullivan.com On Feb 15, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Ted Steinberg mtedsteinb...@gmail.com wrote: I am using FrameMaker 12, unstructured = I don't see utilities under the file menu. Where would I find this ability to do diacriticals et al, and TM, Registered, et al? My workaround is to use windows character map, from which I copy and paste the symbol I want, regardless of how it looks, into my frame document, then I go to Frame's Character Catalogue and select the default paragraph font and that does it. I have not had an incompatibility issue because I think I am using well known adobe fonts. Am l AOK with this or an accident waiting to happen? *Is the above workaround the best solution or does Frame 12 have a better one?* Thanks, TED On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote: Ed Noodland wrote: Framemaker does not appear to handle hexadecimal values using the ALT + numeric keypad values. It does handle decimal values but I can't determine what the different code points (character values) are mapped to. ALT+8734 results in a solid triangle for me. But as of FrameMaker 9, there is a tool that allows input of hexadecimal (Unicode) character numbers. Look at FileUtilitiesHex Input. Not as convenient as the Alt-key, but it works. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as mtedsteinb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mtedsteinberg%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Ted Steinberg Tenstar Business Partners Minnesota, California, Costa Rica Apartado 185-7150 Turrialba, Cartago, Costa Rica 506-2556-5044 [Costa Rica] ted.steinberg5634 [Skype] mtedsteinb...@gmail.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as m...@mattrsullivan.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40mattrsullivan.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Ted Steinberg Tenstar Business Partners Minnesota, California, Costa Rica Apartado 185-7150 Turrialba, Cartago, Costa Rica 506-2556-5044 [Costa Rica] ted.steinberg5634 [Skype] mtedsteinb...@gmail.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
