Re: Fit or fitted?
On 2014-May-29 8:28 PM, Writer wrote: It's not a verb in this case; it's a predicate adjective. Nadine Exactly. No one sells fit sheets :-) s. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Fit or fitted?
At 12:28 p.m. 30/05/2014, Writer wrote: It's not a verb in this case; it's a predicate adjective. Nadine From: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com To: Stephen O'Brien sobr...@innovmetric.com; Frame Users (framers@lists.frameusers.com) framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:42:49 AM Subject: Re: Fit or fitted? Per Betty Azar, in American English, the present, simple past, and past tense of the verb to fit are all fit. Actually, it's not. The example from the OP used fit as a transitive verb and fitted was applied as the past participle. A pedagogue would rule this usage illegal but English, the bastard language of the world, grows this way. Usage of fit as a transitive verb has become widespread in my lifetime, although I'd have got the red crayon if I used it in a high school composition. Things get muddy when we try to use fit in the passive voice, which is the usage in question here. Intransitive verbs can't be used in passive voice so what do we do? We can try to borrow the past historic of the intransitive verb, which is fit or we can pursue the formation of a participle by regularising it. The members iof the Olympic team were fit for their new uniforms doesn't work. The members of the Olympic team were fitted for their new uniforms seems to. My call would be that the regularising rule applies here. If the OP MUST use passive voice (dubious tech writing practice at best) then make fitted the participle, rather than awkwardly stealing the past historic from the transitive verb. It fits better (sic: intransitive!) with other forward formations that are already in use. Helen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker graphics question
I did cross-post this elsewhere because -- for whatever reason -- I don't see my infrequent posts on this list until one or two days after posting and that just doesn't work for me, We produce operator and other manuals for a heavy equipment manufacturing company using FrameMaker 11.0 on a Windows XP plaform. 1. Is there a way to force a certain width line border around all imported graphics as they are brought in? 2. Is there a more elegant way to insert a sequential figure number than how my company currently does it? Background for question 1: The procedure here for inserting images is to first insert a right-aligned anchored frame 3.25 in. wide. That frame is set to Run into Paragraph and as already stated, Right Aligned; it is anchored to its procedural text to the left, so if its procedural text is deleted or moved, that anchored frame goes with it. I then import by reference an subject image inside that anchored frame, scale it to 2.75 in. wide and then right-align it inside that anchored frame. (The height of the subject image, of course, then dictates the height of the anchored frame, but that's no problem.) That leaves a 0.50 inch margin between the left side of the subject image and the left side of the anchored frame. The reason for the anchored frame, by the way, is to artificially force the procedural text for that subject graphic into a one-column format. Yes, I'm one of the few who still believes that a true two-column format should be used throughout a book (whether or not there are images on the right), but my NOT tech writing or page layout-sophisticated supervisor believes all white space on a page needs to be used. Thus, most pages wind up with a mix of one-column and two-column layouts. (Those paragraphs not accompanied by a graphic are full-page-width, while those paragraphs with a graphic are artificially left-column-width. Pretty sloppy to my way of thinking.) Anyway . . . after importing, positioning and scaling the subject image as described above, I left-click on it (the image, not the anchored frame) and use the Graphics toolbox icons to select a solid black border that is 0.5 pt in width because all images (referenced or embedded) import naked (with no line border). So CAN a line border with a predefined width be set so we don't have to do it for every image? (Of course anchored frames with images that are used repeatedly are simply copied and pasted wherever required and they retain their size and border attributes.) Background for question 2: After the image is imported, positioned, sized and bordered, a small text box is also placed inside the anchored frame but directly below the subject image and left-aligned with its left border. The empty paragraph marker within that little text box is then tagged section graphic counter; it is set to then automatically display the word Fig. and the applicable chapter and sequential figure number separated by a hyphen. For example, Fig. 1-2. Surely you get the idea. That little text box is a problem because one has to eyeball its placement to make sure it's not too close and not too far from its subject graphic and that it is perfectly left-aligned with the left border of its subject graphic. Then the subject graphic's runaround props must be set to Do not runaround or else no graphic counter text appears inside the little text box.What a damn pain in the . . .! Note that we do also use full-page-width images and in those cases, I simply insert a two-row, single-column table, stretch it to full-page-width, import and center the image into the top row (or cell), tag the empty paragraph marker inside row 2 as section graphic counter and the result is as described above (left-aligned text with Fig. 1-2 or whatever), but without having to create another funky little text box. I toyed with creating a one-column, two-row, right-aligned table to use this method for single-column-width graphics, but FrameMaker doesn't allow text to the left of a table (at least that I know of). And Frame (or a least MY version) doesn't allow placement of a table inside an anchored frame. (I just tried it once more and it won't.) So again I ask if there a way to accomplish this whole extravaganza more simply? Yep, it's Friday. Ken in Atlanta ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Question about formats for files in book
Hi Framers, Perhaps this is a philosophical question but it has been my habit to make a book with ONE master page set and ONE paragraph catalogue and ONE character catalogue. Over the course of building the document, I import changes into other files in the same book. Somehow, I had the idea that this was the way it was done. With the Frame 12 templates created by Bernard Aschwanden, it seems that each template second has only those paragraph and character catalogues as are required for that section (e.g. Cover, Legal and Contacts). Of course, I might not be quite understanding what's going on yet... What are your ideas? Thanks, Theresa -- === Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.com === ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Fit or fitted?
It's passive voice. On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Writer generic...@yahoo.ca wrote: It's not a verb in this case; it's a predicate adjective. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Fit or fitted?
In The bed has fitted sheets, fitted is an adjective. In The sheets are fitted to the bed, it's passive voice. On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Stuart Rogers srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote: On 2014-May-29 8:28 PM, Writer wrote: It's not a verb in this case; it's a predicate adjective. Nadine Exactly. No one sells fit sheets :-) ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Reproducible FM12 file corruption?
I've been seeing occasional wonkiness (yes, I know... it's a technical term) since upgrading from FM10 to TCS5 (FM12), but I think I have narrowed at least one of them down to the point where the behavior is reproducible on demand, but I'll be darned if I know what is triggering it. Let's find out if it's just my installation/environment or if it affects others. I'm running TCS5 under Windows 7, 64-bit Enterprise. To try to eliminate character paragraph format catalog issues and template anomalies, once I was able to reproduce the behavior, I tried doing the same in a generic FM file, and am also seeing the behavior there, so that's what I'm going to walk through. I've included screenshots of what I see along the way. 1. Create a new file using the default Portrait blank paper. http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-1.png 2. Copy in a few paragraphs of generic text (I use www.lipsum.com). http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-2.png 3. Save the file. 4. Place your cursor in one of the paragraphs. 5. In the Paragraph Designer, change the Spread to 1% and hit Enter to Apply. http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-3.png 6. Save the file. 7. Press Ctrl+z to undo. 8. WHAMMO! http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-4.png On my system, the margins change completely, as if room for side heads was added. In my main working file it also put footnotes in the middle of pages. Also, it's not just any kind of change prior to a save and then undo that triggers the corruption. Simple text edits do not trigger it, however changes in the paragraph and character designers do. It's not just font attributes, but changing paragraph attributes and applying them, followed by a save and undo will also trigger the corruption. Changing the color of selected text via the tool palette, save, undo, will also trigger it. It appears to be the sequence of (1) anything involving changing *ATTRIBUTES* of text, (2) a save, and (3) an immediate undo, that triggers it. If I do the above steps without a save, the undo does not cause the corruption. It's as if reverting to a pre-save state makes FM go haywire. Now that I know what triggers the page going nuts, I now know what to avoid doing. I would experience this periodically since I'm a save-monkey, and wouldn't know what the heck was going on. Bizarre. Dan Harding Technical Editorial Specialist University of Illinois Tax School ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Fit or fitted?
Hm... Bastard? How so? Tim From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] on behalf of Helen Borrie [hele...@iinet.net.au] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 2:47 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Fit or fitted? At 12:28 p.m. 30/05/2014, Writer wrote: It's not a verb in this case; it's a predicate adjective. Nadine From: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com To: Stephen O'Brien sobr...@innovmetric.com; Frame Users (framers@lists.frameusers.com) framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:42:49 AM Subject: Re: Fit or fitted? Per Betty Azar, in American English, the present, simple past, and past tense of the verb to fit are all fit. Actually, it's not. The example from the OP used fit as a transitive verb and fitted was applied as the past participle. A pedagogue would rule this usage illegal but English, the bastard language of the world, grows this way. Usage of fit as a transitive verb has become widespread in my lifetime, although I'd have got the red crayon if I used it in a high school composition. Things get muddy when we try to use fit in the passive voice, which is the usage in question here. Intransitive verbs can't be used in passive voice so what do we do? We can try to borrow the past historic of the intransitive verb, which is fit or we can pursue the formation of a participle by regularising it. The members iof the Olympic team were fit for their new uniforms doesn't work. The members of the Olympic team were fitted for their new uniforms seems to. My call would be that the regularising rule applies here. If the OP MUST use passive voice (dubious tech writing practice at best) then make fitted the participle, rather than awkwardly stealing the past historic from the transitive verb. It fits better (sic: intransitive!) with other forward formations that are already in use. Helen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as tp...@telecomsys.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tpann%40telecomsys.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this message may be privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, or responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any review, forwarding, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication or any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately, and delete it and all attachments from your computer and network. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Fit or fitted?
The Chicago Manual of Style prefers fitted in this case: This verb
is undergoing a shift. It has traditionally been conjugated
fit–fitted–fitted, but today fit–fit–fit is prevalent in American
English {when she tried on the dress, it fit quite well}. In the
passive voice, however, fitted is still normal {the horse was fitted
with a new harness}.
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