Re: A giggle from the Adobe website

[Robert Lauriston]

I think FrameMaker's docs are the least bad of all the authoring tools
I've used or evaluated.

Their biggest weakness is often complete lack of coverage of
higher-level tasks. E.g. there are no templates in the usual sense, so
how do you work around that? The sample files they've provided not
only don't embody best practices, they were apparently created by
people who didn't understand many of the (properly documented)
fundamentals.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Sharp, Amy
 wrote:
>>  My personal feeling is that documentation from Adobe has declined, and is 
>> threatening to approach the Microsoft level.
>
> I think Microsoft has a leg up on Adobe docs, albeit a skinny leg. Even 
> before Adobe bought the company, FM docs were, shall we say, less than 
> robust. They remind me of open-source philosophy where developers wait for a 
> user to document that an icon means means "crash and burn," not "save this 
> file."
>
> If not for Sarah O'Keefe and Scriptorium, FrameMaker would have been 
> abandoned a decade ago. Just saying.
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Re: A giggle from the Adobe website

[Sharp, Amy]

>  My personal feeling is that documentation from Adobe has declined, and is 
> threatening to approach the Microsoft level.

I think Microsoft has a leg up on Adobe docs, albeit a skinny leg. Even before 
Adobe bought the company, FM docs were, shall we say, less than robust. They 
remind me of open-source philosophy where developers wait for a user to 
document that an icon means means "crash and burn," not "save this file."

If not for Sarah O'Keefe and Scriptorium, FrameMaker would have been abandoned 
a decade ago. Just saying.


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RE: Sundorne SetPrint - Does it work with Frame 12?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Your e-mail below and mine “crossed in the mail”. Sorry to jump the gun a bit.

Z

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Spreadbury
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 11:41 AM
To: Craig, Alison; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Sundorne SetPrint - Does it work with Frame 12?

Craig,
Slap my hand. I was wrong.
I copied the SetPrint folder to the wrong Frame 12 folder.
It does work.
Slap my hand twice.
Sorry.
Works as advertised.

On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:34 PM, David Spreadbury 
mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

Craig,
I thought I had tried this when I first installed Frame 12, but just checked it 
again.
The answer is No, using the instructions that come with SetPrint.
No console message is written. Selecting File > Print points to the default 
printer, not Adobe PDF.
No errors are displayed either. It appears that SetPrint is completely ignored 
in Frame 12.
Dave
PS: It would be nice if it did though.

On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:25 PM, "Craig, Alison" 
mailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com>> wrote:

Has anyone tested the Sundorne SetPrint plugin with Frame 12?

Does it work?

Alison


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RE: Sundorne SetPrint - Does it work with Frame 12?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Ummm … it works for me.

Also, I just looked at the source code for SetPrint (thanks to Ian Hawkins for 
releasing it to the world!) and see no reason for it to fail in recent 
FrameMaker versions.

As an FYI, you have to have a SetPrint.ini file in the same folder where you 
have the DLL. This folder is C:\Program Files 
(x86)\Adobe\AdobeFrameMaker12\fminit\Plugins …

I just tried it and it worked fine …

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Spreadbury
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 11:35 AM
To: Craig, Alison; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Sundorne SetPrint - Does it work with Frame 12?

Craig,
I thought I had tried this when I first installed Frame 12, but just checked it 
again.
The answer is No, using the instructions that come with SetPrint.
No console message is written. Selecting File > Print points to the default 
printer, not Adobe PDF.
No errors are displayed either. It appears that SetPrint is completely ignored 
in Frame 12.
Dave
PS: It would be nice if it did though.

On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:25 PM, "Craig, Alison" 
mailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com>> wrote:

Has anyone tested the Sundorne SetPrint plugin with Frame 12?

Does it work?

Alison


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RE: Sundorne SetPrint - Does it work with Frame 12?

[Craig, Alison]

Great. Thanks.

Alison


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From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 11:41 AM
To: Craig, Alison; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Sundorne SetPrint - Does it work with Frame 12?

Craig,
Slap my hand. I was wrong.
I copied the SetPrint folder to the wrong Frame 12 folder.
It does work.
Slap my hand twice.
Sorry.
Works as advertised.

On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:34 PM, David Spreadbury 
mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

Craig,
I thought I had tried this when I first installed Frame 12, but just checked it 
again.
The answer is No, using the instructions that come with SetPrint.
No console message is written. Selecting File > Print points to the default 
printer, not Adobe PDF.
No errors are displayed either. It appears that SetPrint is completely ignored 
in Frame 12.
Dave
PS: It would be nice if it did though.

On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:25 PM, "Craig, Alison" 
mailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com>> wrote:

Has anyone tested the Sundorne SetPrint plugin with Frame 12?

Does it work?

Alison


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Re: Sundorne SetPrint - Does it work with Frame 12?

[David Spreadbury]

Craig,Slap my hand. I was wrong.I copied the SetPrint folder to the wrong Frame 
12 folder.It does work.Slap my hand twice.Sorry.Works as advertised.
 

 On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:34 PM, David Spreadbury 
 wrote:
   

 Craig,I thought I had tried this when I first installed Frame 12, but just 
checked it again.The answer is No, using the instructions that come with 
SetPrint.No console message is written. Selecting File > Print points to the 
default printer, not Adobe PDF.No errors are displayed either. It appears that 
SetPrint is completely ignored in Frame 12.DavePS: It would be nice if it did 
though.
 

 On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:25 PM, "Craig, Alison" 
 wrote:
   

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Re: Sundorne SetPrint - Does it work with Frame 12?

[David Spreadbury]

Craig,I thought I had tried this when I first installed Frame 12, but just 
checked it again.The answer is No, using the instructions that come with 
SetPrint.No console message is written. Selecting File > Print points to the 
default printer, not Adobe PDF.No errors are displayed either. It appears that 
SetPrint is completely ignored in Frame 12.DavePS: It would be nice if it did 
though.
 

 On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:25 PM, "Craig, Alison" 
 wrote:
   

  Has 
anyone tested the Sundorne SetPrint plugin with Frame 12?    Does it work?    
Alison       Alison Craig | Technical Documentation Lead Ultrasonix |130-4311 
Viking Way|Richmond, BC V6V 2K9 | analogicultrasound.com T 604-279-8550 ext 127 
| F 604-279-8559    
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Sundorne SetPrint - Does it work with Frame 12?

[Craig, Alison]

Has anyone tested the Sundorne SetPrint plugin with Frame 12?

Does it work?

Alison


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RE: FM9 Crashes when Creating PDFs with files that Contain PDFs

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Hi Alison,

If you’re really sure that the FM files have not been changed, nor have the 
(PDF) images referenced, then it must be something in your system.

Did you (or someone else) change a local printer or a network printer? Or did 
you remove, or update VISIO installation or MSoffice? Or change other software?
It’s possible that the pdf files you created from visio use a font that is no 
longer available on your system. You won’t notice until it’s gone ...

Another thing is remove all your temp files, and font cache files (search your 
PC). Your distiller folder has a cache, plus saved error messages. may be these 
can give a clue?


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RE: A giggle from the Adobe website

[Craig Ede]

I'd have to say I agree with Ed here, rather than Scott.
Craig Ede


> Subject: Re: A giggle from the Adobe website 
> From: qui...@airmail.net 
> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:51:10 -0500 
> To: enodl...@gmail.com 
> CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com 
>  
> My personal feeling is that documentation from Adobe has declined, and  
> is threatening to approach the Microsoft level. 
>  
>  
> On Oct 28, 2014, at 10:09, Ed Nodland  
> mailto:enodl...@gmail.com>> wrote: 
>  
> I get it now.  All this time they thought I was not using Framemaker.   
> From wiki: "An end user of a computer  
> system or  
> software is someone who uses it." 
>  
> I will let them know I am an end-user.  That could explain why we get  
> answers that are high-level, vague, or sound like short sound bites.  I  
> was checking IT manager. 
>  
> I'll add that the program, documentation, and support is much better  
> than it was in 2007 - 2010 and the support community is amazing. 
>  
> Ed 
>
  
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RE: FM9 Crashes when Creating PDFs with files that Contain PDFs (WAS: Frame 9 Crashing – Can’t Create PDFs)

[Craig, Alison]

With the exception of a single branding image on manual covers, I always import 
by reference. So that isn’t the issue.

Alison


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From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 1:54 PM
To: Lin Sims; Craig, Alison
Cc: Frame Users; Mike Wickham
Subject: Re: FM9 Crashes when Creating PDFs with files that Contain PDFs (WAS: 
Frame 9 Crashing – Can’t Create PDFs)

Craig,
Your post implies she is importing them INTO the fm file. Has she tried 
Importing by Reference?
It should work,and is probably the preferred way anyhow.
Dave

On Monday, October 27, 2014 3:29 PM, Lin Sims 
mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The SVG bug (which only prevented being able to search text in SVG graphics 
imported into Frame and then distilled to PDF) was fixed in the latest patch 
update to FM12.
I admit I am not going by direct experience regarding the use of PDF as a 
graphic format. One of my coworkers has been forced to embed single-page PDFs 
into Frame files for a particular document set she works on. She was the one 
who said that the file size bloated from that. The files were output from a 
database, and she was adding 50 or so to a book. I think she had to break the 
chapter she was adding them to into multiple files in order to get it to 
distill properly.
I don't think I've ever heard that the preferred workflow was to create a 
graphic, save it as PDF, and then import it into a Frame file that was going to 
be PDFed. That seems ... odd to me for some reason, but that may just be me. :-)
Good luck,

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Craig, Alison 
mailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com>> wrote:
In what version of Frame is the SVG problem fixed? I’m using FM9.

As for why I use the PDFs (from Visio), I was under the impression that this 
was a recommended workflow. And I’ve never seen anyone mention that including 
PDF images in the book bloats the final Frame PDF or I might have looked for an 
alternative before.

The interesting things is, I have been using this method for years with the 
same book files and have never had a problem before. In fact, when I built PDF 
files for review in mid-September, there wasn’t a single hesitation. The PDFs 
the Print to Book… option first encounter were not edited between mid-September 
and when I encountered the problem last week.

I spent a lot of time thinking over the weekend and remember an issue I had 
with Pantone warning re: mismatched “definitions”. I cannot recall how I made 
this go away – or if I actually did anything at all – so I’m going to run a few 
tests.

Cross your fingers for me.

Alison

Alison Craig | Technical Documentation Lead
Ultrasonix | 130-4311 Viking Way | Richmond, BC  V6V 2K9 | 
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T 604-279-8550 ext 127 | F 604-279-8559

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
 On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 6:09 AM
To: Mike Wickham
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: FM9 Crashes when Creating PDFs with files that Contain PDFs (WAS: 
Frame 9 Crashing – Can’t Create PDFs)

Out of curiousity, Allison, why are you printing the Visio graphics to PDF and 
then importing them into a Frame file that is printed to PDF? Embedding a PDF 
file into a file that is going to be printed to PDF tends to drastically 
increase the size of the file being distilled.
Given that your testing has pretty much narrowed down the issue to pages with 
embedded PDF images/graphics, I'd strongly suggest seeing if a different image 
format would do what you need. Is it necessary that they be PDF, or could 
another searchable format such as SVG (now that Adobe has fixed the SVG to PDF 
but) be used instead?

On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Mike Wickham 
mailto:i...@mikewickham.com>> wrote:
I thought I recalled Dov Isaacs explaining this as a Windows problem, rather 
than a FrameMaker problem. I found the following quote from him online, which 
appears to reference what was later called the fntcache.dat bug (and fixed with 
a hotfix and, later, Windows update), and a Windows bug relating to large page 
sizes and large fonts. I don't know if that one was ever fixed and may still 
require setting a lower dpi as a workaround. (I would note that I have no text 
or image dropout at 1200 dpi on Windows 7.)

NOTE: The following is a 10-year old quote:
"(2) There is a known problem with FrameMaker under Windows only in which text 
may disappear from the output page (i.e., selective text dropout) when printing 
to PostScript devices, including Acrobat Distiller. Unfortunately, the problem 
is NOT reproducible from system to system or document to document either user

Re: FM9 Crashes when Creating PDFs with files that Contain

[Lin Sims]

Then I guess it's just me ...

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Davis, David <
david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com> wrote:

> A PDF file of a Visio diagram is more or less just a bunch of PostScript
> instructions telling the computer to draw some lines and shapes.
> That's a good efficient easily-portable non-lossy way to represent a
> vector diagram.
> Nothing odd about it!
> David
>
>
> On Monday, October 27, 2014 3:29 PM, Lin Sims 
> wrote:
>
>
> I don't think I've ever heard that the preferred workflow was to create a
> graphic, save it as PDF, and then import it into a Frame file that was
> going to be PDFed. That seems ... odd to me for some reason, but that may
> just be me. :-)
>
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RE: FM9 Crashes when Creating PDFs with files that Contain

[Davis, David]

A PDF file of a Visio diagram is more or less just a bunch of PostScript 
instructions telling the computer to draw some lines and shapes.
That's a good efficient easily-portable non-lossy way to represent a vector 
diagram.
Nothing odd about it!
David


On Monday, October 27, 2014 3:29 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:


I don't think I've ever heard that the preferred workflow was to create a 
graphic, save it as PDF, and then import it into a Frame file that was going to 
be PDFed. That seems ... odd to me for some reason, but that may just be me. :-)

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Re: A giggle from the Adobe website

[Scott Turner]

My personal feeling is that documentation from Adobe has declined, and is 
threatening to approach the Microsoft level.


> On Oct 28, 2014, at 10:09, Ed Nodland  wrote:
> 
> I get it now.  All this time they thought I was not using Framemaker.  From 
> wiki: "An end user of a computer system or software is someone who uses it." 
> 
> I will let them know I am an end-user.  That could explain why we get answers 
> that are high-level, vague, or sound like short sound bites.  I was checking 
> IT manager.
> 
> I'll add that the program, documentation, and support is much better than it 
> was in 2007 - 2010 and the support community is amazing.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Helen Borrie  wrote:
>> Pat Christenson wrote:
>> 
>> I was visiting Adobe's website earlier and noticed that when you sign up, 
>> you have to make a choice from the list of Job Titles. One of the choices is 
>> End User.
>> 
>> Really? That's a job title? ;-)
>> 
>> At 07:19 a.m. 28/10/2014, Writer wrote:
>> 
>> >It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it.
>> >
>> >I hear the pay sucks, too.
>> 
>> And don't we *always* get the blame when something goes pear-shaped?
>> 
>> Helen
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Re: A giggle from the Adobe website

[Ed Nodland]

I get it now.  All this time they thought I was not using Framemaker.  From
wiki: "An end user of a computer system
 or software is
someone who uses it."

I will let them know I am an end-user.  That could explain why we get
answers that are high-level, vague, or sound like short sound bites.  I was
checking IT manager.

I'll add that the program, documentation, and support is much better than
it was in 2007 - 2010 and the support community is amazing.

Ed


On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Helen Borrie  wrote:

> Pat Christenson wrote:
>
> I was visiting Adobe's website earlier and noticed that when you sign up,
> you have to make a choice from the list of Job Titles. One of the choices
> is End User.
>
> Really? That's a job title? ;-)
>
> At 07:19 a.m. 28/10/2014, Writer wrote:
>
> >It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it.
> >
> >I hear the pay sucks, too.
>
> And don't we *always* get the blame when something goes pear-shaped?
>
> Helen
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Re: pear shaped RE: A giggle from the Adobe website

[Lin Sims]

Too late!

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Craig Ede  wrote:

> I thought it was the fear of all technical writers that over the years
> working at a desk we all will go pear shaped. (Heads up! This is not an
> irrational fear!)
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> C-
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RE: A giggle from the Adobe website

[Craig Ede]

Given the amount of noise on this list about how the interface to FM is
inadequate, I would think there would be a raft of end-users out there
willing to sign on for this.

Craig
BTW: I am quite happy to be working in FM12. It's not perfect, but better
than any of the previous versions I've used (and I signed on with FrameMaker
3.0)

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pear shaped RE: A giggle from the Adobe website

[Craig Ede]

I thought it was the fear of all technical writers that over the years
working at a desk we all will go pear shaped. (Heads up! This is not an
irrational fear!)

C-

 

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RE: what to back up before reinstalling

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Always a good idea to deactivate & reactivate. Yes, custom workspaces can be 
restored via your backup.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins
Sent: October-27-14 5:29 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: what to back up before reinstalling

Sigh. I have to reinstall Framemaker 12 on my Win7 system. Before I 
do so, I am creating a list of all of the files that I need to back 
up so that I can restore all of my customization after I reinstall. 
Here is my list so far (not including all of the add-ins and scripts 
that are unique to my installation).

Back up the following from 
C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Framemaker\12
Folder WorkSpaces (specifically the .cfsw and .fws files)
Folder Linguistics
File consfile.txt
File maker.ini
File pdfsize.ini

Back up the following from C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\AdobeFrameMaker12
Folder Templates
Folder fminit
Folder plugins
maker.ini

Any others? I will post the final list somewhere that will serve as a 
resource to the rest of us; I've had no luck searching for such a 
list on Adobe or by Googling.

Two additional questions: Does anyone know if backing up the 
WorkSpaces folder REALLY allows you to retrieve your custom 
workspaces after reinstall? I vaguely remember having a problem with 
this when I upgraded to FM12. And do I need to deactivate my current 
installation before reinstalling it on the same computer?

Carol

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