[Framers] DropDownBody format destroys indents

2016-05-05 Thread Nancy Allison 
FM 12 in Windows 7:
   When I select text and apply the HTML5 option DropDownBody, in the
   Responsive HTML output, indents for numbered  and bulleted steps are
   trashed. How do I fix this, and why does it mess them up in the first
   place?
   Presumably, you can select any assortment of paragraph formats and
   apply the HTML5 drop-down text option, so how can only one DropDownBody
   paragraph tag apply to all the different paragraph formats?
   Thanks for any and all enlightment.
   --Nancy
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Art Campbell 
Another possibility is that SVG doesn't include a preview (I don't know --
format never interested me), but if so, FM may be creating one, which may
account for the size increase.

Might try saving the Visio as PNG and importing that to see what happens;
it's generally a great all purpose format.


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On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> Pertinents:
>
> Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
> FrameMaker 12, latest patch
> Visio 2013
>
> I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just
> blowing up the Frame file size.
>
> Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
>
> Visio file: 150,011
> SVG file: 15,830
>
> I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat
> similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
> sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
>
> I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple diagram
> should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Art Campbell 
I haven't encountered it, but crop and modify PDFs all the time in
Photoshop. I believe there's also a cropping tool in the full version of
Acrobat.


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On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Craig, Alison 
wrote:

> > Can you use PDF or EPS?
>
> I saved Visio drawings to PDF for years and imported them by reference
> into Frame with absolutely no problem. Then I had to upgrade to Visio 2013
> and now I can't get properly sized PDFs out of Visio.
>
> There is always some extra white space around the drawing even though that
> white space doesn't exist in the Visio file (I use the "Fit to Drawing"
> option with all Visio margins set to 0).
>
> If anyone else has encountered this problem and has a fix, I'd love to
> hear it.
>
> Alison
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=
> bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 12:15 PM
> To: Lin Sims; TECHWR-L Writing; Frame Users
> Subject: Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
>
>
> > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston
> > 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like
> >> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.
> >>
> >> I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF
> >> worked the best.
> >>
> >> I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by
> >> copying"). I always import by reference.
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> >> > Pertinents:
> >> >
> >> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 FrameMaker 12,
> >> > latest patch Visio 2013
> >> >
> >> > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that
> >> > is just blowing up the Frame file size.
> >> >
> >> > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> >> > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
> >> >
> >> > Visio file: 150,011
> >> > SVG file: 15,830
> >> >
> >> > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> >> > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A
> >> > somewhat similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG
> >> > (34,688) files sizes only increases the Frame file size to
> >> > 1,207,296.
> >> >
> >> > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple
> >> > diagram should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file
> >> > size?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Craig, Alison 
> Can you use PDF or EPS?

I saved Visio drawings to PDF for years and imported them by reference into 
Frame with absolutely no problem. Then I had to upgrade to Visio 2013 and now I 
can't get properly sized PDFs out of Visio. 

There is always some extra white space around the drawing even though that 
white space doesn't exist in the Visio file (I use the "Fit to Drawing" option 
with all Visio margins set to 0).

If anyone else has encountered this problem and has a fix, I'd love to hear it. 

Alison


-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 12:15 PM
To: Lin Sims; TECHWR-L Writing; Frame Users
Subject: Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size


> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> 
> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like 
>> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.
>>
>> I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF 
>> worked the best.
>>
>> I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by 
>> copying"). I always import by reference.
>>
>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> > Pertinents:
>> >
>> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 FrameMaker 12, 
>> > latest patch Visio 2013
>> >
>> > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that 
>> > is just blowing up the Frame file size.
>> >
>> > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
>> > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
>> >
>> > Visio file: 150,011
>> > SVG file: 15,830
>> >
>> > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the 
>> > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A 
>> > somewhat similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG 
>> > (34,688) files sizes only increases the Frame file size to 
>> > 1,207,296.
>> >
>> > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple 
>> > diagram should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file 
>> > size?
>
>
>
>
> --
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Lin Sims 
The choice of SVG is also because of the proposed switch to DITA, because
it scales whereas PNG doesn't, and also there is at least one group in the
company that runs scripts against the files for auditing purposes. They can
read the text in an SVG (or PDF) but not in a PNG graphic.

And as I said a little while ago, the conversion from Visio to PDF resulted
in a graphic that imported to Frame with no bloating issues.

It's just weird that the one graphic is doing this. I have, literally,
hundreds of images that were created and imported the same way, and none of
them are causing this kind of inflation. I'm leaning towards a corrupt
Visio file, and I may redraw it at some point to see if that makes a
difference.

Thanks all for the help. Sometimes you just need to bounce the idea off
others to get a grip on what's going on.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain 
wrote:

> SVG is a vector format - very efficient, but needs to be rasterized for
> printing and display purposes. Usually converted on the fly (when
> output/printed) by tools that properly work with SVG.
>
> It is possible that FrameMaker creates bit-mapped images at the point of
> _importing_ the SVG - i.e., without keeping it in vector form.
>
> Then, depending on the dpi, combined with the size of the image, etc.,
> this may be resulting in a large image being brought in.
>
> Could also be that there is some inefficiency/bugginess in the SVG->bitmap
> conversion process in FrameMaker.
>
> Can you save the file as a PNG or PDF from Visio rather than SVG?
> FrameMaker may handle it better.
>
> > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format
>
> PDF are PNG are also public formats. Maybe you can talk to the people
> maintaining the corporate standards?
>
> Z
>
> BTW, a side-bar: _never_ use JPEG for business graphics, screen captures,
> line drawings, etc. ... you will hate the resulting dots and artifacts in
> the JPEG image! I always use PNG for these kinds of "images".
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-
> > bounces+syed.hosain=aeris@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin
> > Sims
> > Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 12:04 PM
> > To: Robert Lauriston 
> > Cc: Frame Users ; TECHWR-L Writing
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
> >
> > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format.
> Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got obliterated
> thanks to being bought by another corporation.
> >
> > I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the
> same settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly different.
> >
> > Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference.
> >
> > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like
> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.
> > >
> > > I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF
> worked the best.
> > >
> > > I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by
> copying"). I always import by reference.
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims 
> wrote: Pertinents:
> > > >
> > > > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 FrameMaker 12,
> latest patch Visio 2013
> > > >
> > > > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is
> just blowing up the Frame file size.
> > > >
> > > > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> > > > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
> > > >
> > > > Visio file: 150,011
> > > > SVG file: 15,830
> > > >
> > > > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat
> similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
> sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
> > > >
> > > > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple
> diagram should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>



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Re: [Framers] Autonumbering for a Fourth Level Paragraph

2016-05-05 Thread Robert Lauriston 
You're not zeroing things out correctly and you have an extra level.

> Heading 1 (Chapter)
> Chapter <$chapnum>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>:

If you have only four autonumber levels, that should be Chapter
<$chapnum>< =0>< =0>< =0>:

> Heading 2 (Section)
> <$chapnum>.< =0>< >< >

<$chapnum>.< =0>< =0>

> Heading 3 (Paragraph)
> ..< >< >

<$chapnum>..< =0>

> Heading 4 (actually a SubParagraph)
> ...< >

<$chapnum>...

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 1:07 PM,   wrote:
> Okay
>
> Here goes:
>
> Heading 1 (Chapter)
> Chapter <$chapnum>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>:
>
> Heading 2 (Section)
> .< =0>< >< >
>
> Heading 3 (Paragraph)
> ..< >< >
>
> Heading 4 (actually a SubParagraph)
> ...< >
>
> Hope this makes sense
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Robert Lauriston 
> To: ecid...@zoominternet.net, framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Sent: Thu, 05 May 2016 15:20:50 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumbering for a Fourth Level Paragraph
>
> When you say "Section," is that a new chapter file?
>
> It would help if you posted the paragraph tag names and autonumber
> strings for each.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM,   wrote:
>> I tried your suggestion
>>
>> It's fine in Section 1
>>
>> However, when it comes to Section 2, it still returns the value of 1.2.1.3 
>> for the first encounter
>>
>> Hm, as Mr. Spock would say "fascinating"
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Robert Lauriston 
>> To: ecid...@zoominternet.net, framers@lists.frameusers.com
>> Sent: Thu, 05 May 2016 14:29:50 -0400 (EDT)
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumbering for a Fourth Level Paragraph
>>
>> I believe what you want is:
>>
>> heading 1 (chapter title): <$chapnum>< =0>< =0>< =0>
>> heading 2: <$chapnum>.< =0>< =0>
>> heading 3: <$chapnum>..< =0>
>> heading 4: <$chapnum>...
>>
>> Personally I stopped using <$chapnum> and just do that with
>> autonumbers. That way I don't have to have a separate chapter for each
>> file.
>>
>> http://www.microtype.com/resources/articles/AUTONUM_DE.PDF
>>
>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:09 AM,   wrote:
>>> Fellow Frame Templars
>>>
>>> I, a most unworthy Templar, request assistance in determining why Frame 
>>> (version 11, Unstructured) refuses to display the numbering I desire:
>>>
>>> I speak of a numbering scheme for Heading 4.
>>> Currently, the numbering reads:
>>> <$chapnum>...< >
>>> Returning the value of:
>>> 1.1.1.1
>>>
>>> Succeeding Heading 4 tagged paragraphs follow suit with 1.1.1.2 and so on
>>>
>>> So in the next section, section 2, the value returned for the FIRST sub 
>>> section is
>>>
>>> 2.1.1.3 and NOT 2.1.1.1
>>
>> --
>>
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>> 724.846.1474 (home)
>> 724.494.9213 (cell)
>> 412.776.8184 (office)
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain 
SVG is a vector format - very efficient, but needs to be rasterized for 
printing and display purposes. Usually converted on the fly (when 
output/printed) by tools that properly work with SVG.

It is possible that FrameMaker creates bit-mapped images at the point of 
_importing_ the SVG - i.e., without keeping it in vector form.

Then, depending on the dpi, combined with the size of the image, etc., this may 
be resulting in a large image being brought in.

Could also be that there is some inefficiency/bugginess in the SVG->bitmap 
conversion process in FrameMaker.

Can you save the file as a PNG or PDF from Visio rather than SVG? FrameMaker 
may handle it better. 

> Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format

PDF are PNG are also public formats. Maybe you can talk to the people 
maintaining the corporate standards?

Z

BTW, a side-bar: _never_ use JPEG for business graphics, screen captures, line 
drawings, etc. ... you will hate the resulting dots and artifacts in the JPEG 
image! I always use PNG for these kinds of "images".

> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-
> bounces+syed.hosain=aeris@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin
> Sims
> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 12:04 PM
> To: Robert Lauriston 
> Cc: Frame Users ; TECHWR-L Writing
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
> 
> Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format. 
> Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got obliterated 
> thanks to being bought by another corporation.
> 
> I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the same 
> settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly different.
> 
> Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference.
> 
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston  wrote:
> 
> > Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like a bug 
> > in FrameMaker's SVG support.
> >
> > I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF worked 
> > the best.
> >
> > I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by 
> > copying"). I always import by reference.
> >
> > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims  wrote: 
> > Pertinents:
> > >
> > > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 FrameMaker 12, latest 
> > > patch Visio 2013
> > >
> > > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just 
> > > blowing up the Frame file size.
> > >
> > > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> > > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
> > >
> > > Visio file: 150,011
> > > SVG file: 15,830
> > >
> > > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the 
> > > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A 
> > > somewhat similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) 
> > > files sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
> > >
> > > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple 
> > > diagram should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Lin Sims 
The PDF version of the graphic does not noticeably change the file size. I
am leaning toward some sort of corruption of the original Visio file, since
other SVGs saved out of the same instance of Visio are not having the same
effect.

I'll put redrawing the graphic on my ToDo list.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> We use default settings for SVG import. No gradient shading. We use
> patterns or solid colors.
>
> I may try saving this graphic out to PDF and see what happens.
>
> This isn't an emergency so much as a nuisance and a cause for curiosity.
> I've got documents with hundreds of graphics in them, and I don't recall
> ever seeing this issue before. This particular file only has 2 graphics,
> and the other graphic does not cause anything like this bloat.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
>
>> Can you use PDF or EPS? Those have been supported for a long time and
>> are probably less buggy. FrameMaker's SVG support is kind of a kludge.
>>
>> Raster quality is a setting in the Import SVG dialog. If the diagram
>> has a gradient fill, a high-resolution rasterization could be
>> enormous.
>>
>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format.
>> > Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got
>> obliterated
>> > thanks to being bought by another corporation.
>> >
>> > I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the
>> > same settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly
>> different.
>> >
>> > Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference.
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like
>> >> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.
>> >>
>> >> I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF
>> >> worked the best.
>> >>
>> >> I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by
>> >> copying"). I always import by reference.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> >> > Pertinents:
>> >> >
>> >> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
>> >> > FrameMaker 12, latest patch
>> >> > Visio 2013
>> >> >
>> >> > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is
>> >> > just
>> >> > blowing up the Frame file size.
>> >> >
>> >> > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
>> >> > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
>> >> >
>> >> > Visio file: 150,011
>> >> > SVG file: 15,830
>> >> >
>> >> > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
>> >> > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A
>> >> > somewhat
>> >> > similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688)
>> files
>> >> > sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple
>> >> > diagram
>> >> > should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Lin Sims
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [Framers] Autonumbering for a Fourth Level Paragraph

2016-05-05 Thread Robert Lauriston 
When you say "Section," is that a new chapter file?

It would help if you posted the paragraph tag names and autonumber
strings for each.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM,   wrote:
> I tried your suggestion
>
> It's fine in Section 1
>
> However, when it comes to Section 2, it still returns the value of 1.2.1.3 
> for the first encounter
>
> Hm, as Mr. Spock would say "fascinating"
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Robert Lauriston 
> To: ecid...@zoominternet.net, framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Sent: Thu, 05 May 2016 14:29:50 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumbering for a Fourth Level Paragraph
>
> I believe what you want is:
>
> heading 1 (chapter title): <$chapnum>< =0>< =0>< =0>
> heading 2: <$chapnum>.< =0>< =0>
> heading 3: <$chapnum>..< =0>
> heading 4: <$chapnum>...
>
> Personally I stopped using <$chapnum> and just do that with
> autonumbers. That way I don't have to have a separate chapter for each
> file.
>
> http://www.microtype.com/resources/articles/AUTONUM_DE.PDF
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:09 AM,   wrote:
>> Fellow Frame Templars
>>
>> I, a most unworthy Templar, request assistance in determining why Frame 
>> (version 11, Unstructured) refuses to display the numbering I desire:
>>
>> I speak of a numbering scheme for Heading 4.
>> Currently, the numbering reads:
>> <$chapnum>...< >
>> Returning the value of:
>> 1.1.1.1
>>
>> Succeeding Heading 4 tagged paragraphs follow suit with 1.1.1.2 and so on
>>
>> So in the next section, section 2, the value returned for the FIRST sub 
>> section is
>>
>> 2.1.1.3 and NOT 2.1.1.1
>
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Lin Sims 
We use default settings for SVG import. No gradient shading. We use
patterns or solid colors.

I may try saving this graphic out to PDF and see what happens.

This isn't an emergency so much as a nuisance and a cause for curiosity.
I've got documents with hundreds of graphics in them, and I don't recall
ever seeing this issue before. This particular file only has 2 graphics,
and the other graphic does not cause anything like this bloat.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> Can you use PDF or EPS? Those have been supported for a long time and
> are probably less buggy. FrameMaker's SVG support is kind of a kludge.
>
> Raster quality is a setting in the Import SVG dialog. If the diagram
> has a gradient fill, a high-resolution rasterization could be
> enormous.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format.
> > Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got obliterated
> > thanks to being bought by another corporation.
> >
> > I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the
> > same settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly
> different.
> >
> > Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference.
> >
> > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like
> >> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.
> >>
> >> I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF
> >> worked the best.
> >>
> >> I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by
> >> copying"). I always import by reference.
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> >> > Pertinents:
> >> >
> >> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
> >> > FrameMaker 12, latest patch
> >> > Visio 2013
> >> >
> >> > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is
> >> > just
> >> > blowing up the Frame file size.
> >> >
> >> > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> >> > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
> >> >
> >> > Visio file: 150,011
> >> > SVG file: 15,830
> >> >
> >> > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> >> > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A
> >> > somewhat
> >> > similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
> >> > sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
> >> >
> >> > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple
> >> > diagram
> >> > should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lin Sims
>



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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Robert Lauriston 
Can you use PDF or EPS? Those have been supported for a long time and
are probably less buggy. FrameMaker's SVG support is kind of a kludge.

Raster quality is a setting in the Import SVG dialog. If the diagram
has a gradient fill, a high-resolution rasterization could be
enormous.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format.
> Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got obliterated
> thanks to being bought by another corporation.
>
> I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the
> same settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly different.
>
> Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like
>> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.
>>
>> I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF
>> worked the best.
>>
>> I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by
>> copying"). I always import by reference.
>>
>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> > Pertinents:
>> >
>> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
>> > FrameMaker 12, latest patch
>> > Visio 2013
>> >
>> > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is
>> > just
>> > blowing up the Frame file size.
>> >
>> > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
>> > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
>> >
>> > Visio file: 150,011
>> > SVG file: 15,830
>> >
>> > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
>> > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A
>> > somewhat
>> > similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
>> > sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
>> >
>> > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple
>> > diagram
>> > should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>
>
>
>
> --
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Lin Sims 
As a small follow-up, the Import SVG settings are the defaults:

Raster Quality: 72 DPI
Width: SVG Width
Height: SVG Height

Still looking for Art's suggestion of save as frame image, but I doubt if
that's contributing.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> Pertinents:
>
> Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
> FrameMaker 12, latest patch
> Visio 2013
>
> I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just
> blowing up the Frame file size.
>
> Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
>
> Visio file: 150,011
> SVG file: 15,830
>
> I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat
> similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
> sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
>
> I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple diagram
> should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>
> --
> Lin Sims
>



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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Art Campbell 
Importing by reference (best practice) or copied in?
Do you have Save as Frame Image activated or Off?


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On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> Pertinents:
>
> Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
> FrameMaker 12, latest patch
> Visio 2013
>
> I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just
> blowing up the Frame file size.
>
> Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
>
> Visio file: 150,011
> SVG file: 15,830
>
> I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat
> similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
> sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
>
> I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple diagram
> should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>
> --
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Lin Sims 
Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format.
Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got obliterated
thanks to being bought by another corporation.

I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the
same settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly different.

Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like
> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.
>
> I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF
> worked the best.
>
> I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by
> copying"). I always import by reference.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > Pertinents:
> >
> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
> > FrameMaker 12, latest patch
> > Visio 2013
> >
> > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just
> > blowing up the Frame file size.
> >
> > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
> >
> > Visio file: 150,011
> > SVG file: 15,830
> >
> > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A
> somewhat
> > similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
> > sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
> >
> > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple
> diagram
> > should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>



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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Lin Sims 
I wish it were by reference, but because of how our DCMS handles
unstructured Frame, we have to import by copy.

I don't think I'm aware of Save as Frame Image. I'll have to check.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Art Campbell  wrote:

> Importing by reference (best practice) or copied in?
> Do you have Save as Frame Image activated or Off?
>
>
> Art Campbell
> art.campb...@gmail.com
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> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>   No disclaimers apply.
>DoD 358
>
> I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>
>> Pertinents:
>>
>> Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
>> FrameMaker 12, latest patch
>> Visio 2013
>>
>> I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just
>> blowing up the Frame file size.
>>
>> Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
>> Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
>>
>> Visio file: 150,011
>> SVG file: 15,830
>>
>> I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
>> conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat
>> similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
>> sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
>>
>> I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple diagram
>> should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>>
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Robert Lauriston 
Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like
a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.

I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF
worked the best.

I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by
copying"). I always import by reference.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> Pertinents:
>
> Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
> FrameMaker 12, latest patch
> Visio 2013
>
> I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just
> blowing up the Frame file size.
>
> Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
>
> Visio file: 150,011
> SVG file: 15,830
>
> I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat
> similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
> sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
>
> I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple diagram
> should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
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[Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Lin Sims 
Pertinents:

Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
FrameMaker 12, latest patch
Visio 2013

I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just
blowing up the Frame file size.

Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160

Visio file: 150,011
SVG file: 15,830

I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat
similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.

I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple diagram
should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?

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Re: [Framers] Autonumbering for a Fourth Level Paragraph

2016-05-05 Thread ecidade 
I tried your suggestion

It's fine in Section 1

However, when it comes to Section 2, it still returns the value of 1.2.1.3 for 
the first encounter

Hm, as Mr. Spock would say "fascinating"


- Original Message -
From: Robert Lauriston 
To: ecid...@zoominternet.net, framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thu, 05 May 2016 14:29:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumbering for a Fourth Level Paragraph

I believe what you want is:

heading 1 (chapter title): <$chapnum>< =0>< =0>< =0>
heading 2: <$chapnum>.< =0>< =0>
heading 3: <$chapnum>..< =0>
heading 4: <$chapnum>...

Personally I stopped using <$chapnum> and just do that with
autonumbers. That way I don't have to have a separate chapter for each
file.

http://www.microtype.com/resources/articles/AUTONUM_DE.PDF

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:09 AM,   wrote:
> Fellow Frame Templars
>
> I, a most unworthy Templar, request assistance in determining why Frame 
> (version 11, Unstructured) refuses to display the numbering I desire:
>
> I speak of a numbering scheme for Heading 4.
> Currently, the numbering reads:
> <$chapnum>...< >
> Returning the value of:
> 1.1.1.1
>
> Succeeding Heading 4 tagged paragraphs follow suit with 1.1.1.2 and so on
>
> So in the next section, section 2, the value returned for the FIRST sub 
> section is
>
> 2.1.1.3 and NOT 2.1.1.1

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Re: [Framers] Autonumbering for a Fourth Level Paragraph

2016-05-05 Thread Carol J. Elkins 
I have always found it helpful to set up your autonumbering using a 
matrix such as the one on page 4 of the PDF that Robert provided a 
link for. Training yourself to use a single series identifier for all 
of the autonumbers in a book will pay off a zillion times down the 
road. I learned this technique from Brad Anderson at a 2003 
FrameUsers conference. Every time I design a new template, I create a 
matrix to help me code the numbering. I think this is a far more 
robust way to autonumber than using separate series labels for 
paragraphs or tables or figures.


Carol

At 12:29 PM 5/5/2016, Robert Lauriston wrote:

I believe what you want is:

heading 1 (chapter title): <$chapnum>< =0>< =0>< =0>
heading 2: <$chapnum>.< =0>< =0>
heading 3: <$chapnum>..< =0>
heading 4: <$chapnum>...

http://www.microtype.com/resources/articles/AUTONUM_DE.PDF


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Re: [Framers] Autonumbering for a Fourth Level Paragraph

2016-05-05 Thread Robert Lauriston 
I believe what you want is:

heading 1 (chapter title): <$chapnum>< =0>< =0>< =0>
heading 2: <$chapnum>.< =0>< =0>
heading 3: <$chapnum>..< =0>
heading 4: <$chapnum>...

Personally I stopped using <$chapnum> and just do that with
autonumbers. That way I don't have to have a separate chapter for each
file.

http://www.microtype.com/resources/articles/AUTONUM_DE.PDF

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:09 AM,   wrote:
> Fellow Frame Templars
>
> I, a most unworthy Templar, request assistance in determining why Frame 
> (version 11, Unstructured) refuses to display the numbering I desire:
>
> I speak of a numbering scheme for Heading 4.
> Currently, the numbering reads:
> <$chapnum>...< >
> Returning the value of:
> 1.1.1.1
>
> Succeeding Heading 4 tagged paragraphs follow suit with 1.1.1.2 and so on
>
> So in the next section, section 2, the value returned for the FIRST sub 
> section is
>
> 2.1.1.3 and NOT 2.1.1.1
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[Framers] Autonumbering for a Fourth Level Paragraph

2016-05-05 Thread ecidade 
Fellow Frame Templars

I, a most unworthy Templar, request assistance in determining why Frame 
(version 11, Unstructured) refuses to display the numbering I desire:

I speak of a numbering scheme for Heading 4.  
Currently, the numbering reads:
<$chapnum>...< > 
Returning the value of:
1.1.1.1

Succeeding Heading 4 tagged paragraphs follow suit with 1.1.1.2 and so on

So in the next section, section 2, the value returned for the FIRST sub section 
is

2.1.1.3 and NOT 2.1.1.1

So where am I going wrong?

Can someone render assistance?  I hope I have provided enough information to 
render support.

All the best

Eduardo

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