Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

[Pat Christenson]

Here's my suggestion: Create a document for each display you need. In that 
documents, redefine the conditions so that all are black (not As Is) and the 
one has a color. Then Import Condition Settings from one of those docs to your 
doc.

Pat Christenson

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Subject: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions. I'm 
hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually concerns 
the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in it.

My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is actually 
indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous versions of the 
document set that have various conditions turned on, but only one of the 
indicators being visible.

That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H, he 
wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants the 
INDICATOR for F to be visible.

Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to black 
on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and another MIF 
snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure would be nice if I 
could toggle the indicators for individual conditions. The way I'm doing it is 
a bit error prone, and it is also very tedious.

Is this something that could be done with an ExpressScript or MIF editing?
Is it worth putting individually toggleable condition indicators in as a 
feature request with Adobe? Am I the only person with an issue like this?
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Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

[Lin Sims]

I hadn't, but in my case it won't work. There isn't enough white space in
the standard template to do this, and I'm not allowed to play with page
layout. There's a corporate-mandated template we all use.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Have you thought of displaying these and other useful reminders, hints,
> keys, legends, indicators, etc., in header/footer or other non-main-content
> areas on master pages? You can contain them in anchored frames whose parent
> paragraph was conditionalized so that a single show/hide command would be
> the only action needed. This "master" condition name and a brief
> instruction could be displayed in a non-printing color, so it would always
> be visible.
>
> This is one missing FrameMaker feature that, IIRC, has never been
> requested, namely a place to display such info outside the main content
> area. Layout applications, like InDesign, offer such non-printing bleed and
> slug areas. In FM, the convention has been, when needed, to design oversize
> pages and use cropping marks.
>
> HTH
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>
>> Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions.
>> I'm
>> hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually
>> concerns the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in
>> it.
>>
>> My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is
>> actually indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous
>> versions of the document set that have various conditions turned on, but
>> only one of the indicators being visible.
>>
>> That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H,
>> he wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants
>> the INDICATOR for F to be visible.
>>
>> Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to
>> black on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and
>> another MIF snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure
>> would
>> be nice if I could toggle the indicators for individual conditions. The
>> way
>> I'm doing it is a bit error prone, and it is also very tedious.
>>
>> Is this something that could be done with an ExpressScript or MIF editing?
>> Is it worth putting individually toggleable condition indicators in as a
>> feature request with Adobe? Am I the only person with an issue like this?
>> --
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Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

[Peter Gold]

Have you thought of displaying these and other useful reminders, hints,
keys, legends, indicators, etc., in header/footer or other non-main-content
areas on master pages? You can contain them in anchored frames whose parent
paragraph was conditionalized so that a single show/hide command would be
the only action needed. This "master" condition name and a brief
instruction could be displayed in a non-printing color, so it would always
be visible.

This is one missing FrameMaker feature that, IIRC, has never been
requested, namely a place to display such info outside the main content
area. Layout applications, like InDesign, offer such non-printing bleed and
slug areas. In FM, the convention has been, when needed, to design oversize
pages and use cropping marks.

HTH

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions. I'm
> hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually
> concerns the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in it.
>
> My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is
> actually indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous
> versions of the document set that have various conditions turned on, but
> only one of the indicators being visible.
>
> That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H,
> he wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants
> the INDICATOR for F to be visible.
>
> Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to
> black on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and
> another MIF snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure would
> be nice if I could toggle the indicators for individual conditions. The way
> I'm doing it is a bit error prone, and it is also very tedious.
>
> Is this something that could be done with an ExpressScript or MIF editing?
> Is it worth putting individually toggleable condition indicators in as a
> feature request with Adobe? Am I the only person with an issue like this?
> --
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Re: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

[Craig, Alison]

Actually, if you find some way to do that, I would find it useful on occasion.

Alison Craig
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From: Framers 
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Of Lin Sims
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:24 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: [Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions. I'm
hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually
concerns the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in it.

My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is
actually indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous
versions of the document set that have various conditions turned on, but
only one of the indicators being visible.

That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H,
he wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants
the INDICATOR for F to be visible.

Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to
black on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and
another MIF snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure would
be nice if I could toggle the indicators for individual conditions. The way
I'm doing it is a bit error prone, and it is also very tedious.

Is this something that could be done with an ExpressScript or MIF editing?
Is it worth putting individually toggleable condition indicators in as a
feature request with Adobe? Am I the only person with an issue like this?
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[Framers] Toggling Condition Indicators Individually

[Lin Sims]

Earlier I got excellent advice on how to build conditional expressions. I'm
hoping someone here has thoughts on the above. This question actually
concerns the same set of files with 8 or 10 different condition tags in it.

My boss has a hard time remembering what each condition indicator is
actually indicating. As a result, he has asked me to create numerous
versions of the document set that have various conditions turned on, but
only one of the indicators being visible.

That is to say, if the document has conditions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H,
he wants to see the information tagged A, D, F, and G, but he only wants
the INDICATOR for F to be visible.

Right now I'm using MIF snippets to reset the colors for A, D, and G to
black on white (having discovered that As-Is just doesn't cut it), and
another MIF snippet to reset them to their normal colors, but it sure would
be nice if I could toggle the indicators for individual conditions. The way
I'm doing it is a bit error prone, and it is also very tedious.

Is this something that could be done with an ExpressScript or MIF editing?
Is it worth putting individually toggleable condition indicators in as a
feature request with Adobe? Am I the only person with an issue like this?
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Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

[Jack DeLand]

Thanks for verifying- been having Comcast troubles. 

Jack DeLand
734 972 3026

> On Nov 17, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Stamm, David  wrote:
> 
> 2016-11-17-04T20:10Z
> 
> Jack -
> 
> Yes, your posts got through, as did your message.  Whether I can act on your 
> message is another matter.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dave Stamm
> Information Engineer
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jack DeLand [mailto:jackdel...@comcast.net] 
> Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 15:08
> To: Robert Lauriston
> Cc: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
> 
> Are my posts not getting through? Recommend this quite a while back. 
> 
> Jack DeLand
> 734 972 3026
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2016, at 2:55 PM, Robert Lauriston  wrote:
>> 
>> It doesn't matter why Notepad sucks, you need a professional-quality 
>> text editor. The most popular among tech writers is probably
>> Notepad++.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Stamm, David  
>>> wrote:
>>> 2016-11-17-04T19:15Z
>>> 
>>> Robert -
>>> 
>>> You, too, have hit upon something.  Your test resulted in no joy again.  
>>> ¿So, what does Notepad do that corrupts the .mif file?
>>> 
>>> Dave Stamm
>>> Information Engineer
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] 
>>> On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
>>> Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 14:11
>>> To: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
>>> 
>>> It's easy to check if Notepad is the issue. Save as .mif, open in Notepad, 
>>> save a copy, open the copy in FrameMaker.
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Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

[4XScripts]

No. Corruption is because of the missing BOM(see my last post). That is 
only one Byte that you can't see in normal view



Am 17.11.2016 um 21:14 schrieb Robert Lauriston:

You could find out exactly how Notepad is corrupting the file by
opening a MIF, saving a copy, and using the FC command to compare the
two.
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Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

[Peter Gold]

To open a MIF file in FM​ as plain text, press and hold Shift (or Ctrl)
when choosing Open, then choose Text in the dialog box that appears.
(Working from long-unused human memory experience.)

See:


http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/help.html?content=Chap2-FrameMaker-Basics_099.html

Save the file as Text when done editing to keep it in MIF format. In FM,
open normally to convert the MIF text into FM format. Save as FM.

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Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

[Stamm, David]

2016-11-17-04T20:25Z

All –

Thanks again for the help to chase up the cause of and the solution to the 
problem.

Good news for me:  I’m installing Notepad++ as I type.

¡Thanks!
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

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Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 14:59
To: Robert Lauriston
Cc: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

I swear by Notepad++

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
It doesn't matter why Notepad sucks, you need a professional-quality
text editor. The most popular among tech writers is probably
Notepad++.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Stamm, David 
> wrote:
> 2016-11-17-04T19:15Z
>
> Robert -
>
> You, too, have hit upon something.  Your test resulted in no joy again.  ¿So, 
> what does Notepad do that corrupts the .mif file?
>
> Dave Stamm
> Information Engineer
>
> -Original Message-
> From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com 
> [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 14:11
> To: Stamm, David-P45904; 
> framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
>
> It's easy to check if Notepad is the issue. Save as .mif, open in Notepad, 
> save a copy, open the copy in FrameMaker.
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Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

[4XScripts]

Never use Notepad !!

Its saves without BOMsee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_order_mark

And that distroyes the file.

Use Notepad++ instead.


Am 17.11.2016 um 18:42 schrieb Jack DeLand:

I never trust Notepad. Notepad++ is a free programming editor, very nice. 
You'll love it!

Jack DeLand
734 972 3026


On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Stamm, David  wrote:

2016-11-17-04T17:25Z

Windows 7 Enterprise operating system

FrameMaker 2015 Release (13.0.5.547) installed on workstation

FrameMaker source and inset files are on a server on our local area network

==

Help, please, even if only to tell me that I'm "holding my mouth wrong."

With [BookName].book open, on the menu bar, I choose File | Save Book As... > 
MIF 2015 (.mif).  The program saves the .book file as [BookName].mif.

Through Windows Explorer, I open [BookName].mif with Notepad, delete various 
and sundry cruft such bad color definitions, old character tags, and old 
conditional text tags.

I save [BookName].mif and exit Notepad.

Through Windows Explorer, I try to open [BookName].mif with FrameMaker 2015, which 
displays the "Unknown file type" window.

In the "Unknown file type" window, there are numerous types of file listed.  
"MIF" is among the choices, but .fm is not.

When I choose "MIF" and the "Convert" button, the program complains that "The filter 
encountered an error and could not complete the translation."

¿Am I the only one who has experienced this?

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Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

[Robert Lauriston]

You could find out exactly how Notepad is corrupting the file by
opening a MIF, saving a copy, and using the FC command to compare the
two.
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Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

[Stamm, David]

2016-11-17-04T20:10Z

Jack -

Yes, your posts got through, as did your message.  Whether I can act on your 
message is another matter.

Thanks,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

-Original Message-
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Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 15:08
To: Robert Lauriston
Cc: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

Are my posts not getting through? Recommend this quite a while back. 

Jack DeLand
734 972 3026

> On Nov 17, 2016, at 2:55 PM, Robert Lauriston  wrote:
> 
> It doesn't matter why Notepad sucks, you need a professional-quality 
> text editor. The most popular among tech writers is probably
> Notepad++.
> 
>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Stamm, David  wrote:
>> 2016-11-17-04T19:15Z
>> 
>> Robert -
>> 
>> You, too, have hit upon something.  Your test resulted in no joy again.  
>> ¿So, what does Notepad do that corrupts the .mif file?
>> 
>> Dave Stamm
>> Information Engineer
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] 
>> On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
>> Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 14:11
>> To: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
>> 
>> It's easy to check if Notepad is the issue. Save as .mif, open in Notepad, 
>> save a copy, open the copy in FrameMaker.
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Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

[Stamm, David]

2016-11-17-04T20:00Z

Steve -

Thanks for that peek into the arcana of ASCII files:  I learned something there.

To further the test, I opened the .mif file with SyncRO Soft  XML 
Editor, saved the file as a copy, and opened the copy with FrameMaker.  Then I 
used XML Editor to delete some cruft and to save the file.  FrameMaker opened 
the file just fine.

Given the mysterious (to me) performance of Notepad, here's what I think might 
have happened.  Somewhere in that perfectly-good .mif file, Notepad found a "0" 
and turned it sideways to try to be a "1."  If that wasn't enough, then Notepad 
laid the "1" on its side and tried to make it into an underscore.  FrameMaker 
easily detected the ruse and refused to recognize the corrupted file.

That's my story, and I plan to stick to it (until further notice in case I 
actually learn the cause of the problem).

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 14:33
To: Stamm, David-P45904; Robert Lauriston; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

At 19:14 + 17/11/16, Stamm, David wrote:

>You, too, have hit upon something.  Your test resulted in no joy again.  ¿So, 
>what does Notepad do that corrupts the .mif file?

Wildly guessing here based on Mac experience A MIF file is an ASCII text 
file. So you have to think, what could go wrong with an ASCII text file?

. Variations in character encoding standards

. Non-compliance with the expected line end character/character combo (i.e. LF, 
CR, CR+LF and so on)

. Fniger troulbe when editing ;-)

and so on.

On Mac I never had any issues with MIF-washing, but saying that doesn't help 
you. I've now got a mixed-platform system and editors that can display 
invisible characters, so happy to run trials if that would help.
 
-- 
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Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

[Stamm, David]

2016-11-17-04T20:05Z

To those who have recommended Notepad++, I’ll look into it, but constraints 
here might not allow it.  At home, I use it.  Regardless, thanks for the 
suggestions.

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

From: John Sgammato [mailto:john.sgamm...@actifio.com]
Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 14:59
To: Robert Lauriston
Cc: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

I swear by Notepad++

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
It doesn't matter why Notepad sucks, you need a professional-quality
text editor. The most popular among tech writers is probably
Notepad++.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Stamm, David 
> wrote:
> 2016-11-17-04T19:15Z
>
> Robert -
>
> You, too, have hit upon something.  Your test resulted in no joy again.  ¿So, 
> what does Notepad do that corrupts the .mif file?
>
> Dave Stamm
> Information Engineer
>
> -Original Message-
> From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com 
> [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 14:11
> To: Stamm, David-P45904; 
> framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
>
> It's easy to check if Notepad is the issue. Save as .mif, open in Notepad, 
> save a copy, open the copy in FrameMaker.
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Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

[John Sgammato]

I swear by Notepad++

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> It doesn't matter why Notepad sucks, you need a professional-quality
> text editor. The most popular among tech writers is probably
> Notepad++.
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Stamm, David 
> wrote:
> > 2016-11-17-04T19:15Z
> >
> > Robert -
> >
> > You, too, have hit upon something.  Your test resulted in no joy again.
> ¿So, what does Notepad do that corrupts the .mif file?
> >
> > Dave Stamm
> > Information Engineer
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On
> Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> > Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 14:11
> > To: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
> >
> > It's easy to check if Notepad is the issue. Save as .mif, open in
> Notepad, save a copy, open the copy in FrameMaker.
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Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

[Robert Lauriston]

It doesn't matter why Notepad sucks, you need a professional-quality
text editor. The most popular among tech writers is probably
Notepad++.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Stamm, David  wrote:
> 2016-11-17-04T19:15Z
>
> Robert -
>
> You, too, have hit upon something.  Your test resulted in no joy again.  ¿So, 
> what does Notepad do that corrupts the .mif file?
>
> Dave Stamm
> Information Engineer
>
> -Original Message-
> From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 14:11
> To: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
>
> It's easy to check if Notepad is the issue. Save as .mif, open in Notepad, 
> save a copy, open the copy in FrameMaker.
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Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

[Steve Rickaby]

At 19:14 + 17/11/16, Stamm, David wrote:

>You, too, have hit upon something.  Your test resulted in no joy again.  ¿So, 
>what does Notepad do that corrupts the .mif file?

Wildly guessing here based on Mac experience A MIF file is an ASCII text 
file. So you have to think, what could go wrong with an ASCII text file?

. Variations in character encoding standards

. Non-compliance with the expected line end character/character combo (i.e. LF, 
CR, CR+LF and so on)

. Fniger troulbe when editing ;-)

and so on.

On Mac I never had any issues with MIF-washing, but saying that doesn't help 
you. I've now got a mixed-platform system and editors that can display 
invisible characters, so happy to run trials if that would help.
 
-- 
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Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

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It's easy to check if Notepad is the issue. Save as .mif, open in
Notepad, save a copy, open the copy in FrameMaker.
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Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

[Stamm, David]

2016-11-17-04T19:15Z

Robert -

You, too, have hit upon something.  Your test resulted in no joy again.  ¿So, 
what does Notepad do that corrupts the .mif file?

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

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Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 14:11
To: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

It's easy to check if Notepad is the issue. Save as .mif, open in Notepad, save 
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Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

[Stamm, David]

2016-11-17-04T19:00Z

Fred -

You're onto something here.  Right after I saved the file as .mif, I _was_ able 
to open it with FrameMaker.  The only other "plain-text editor" I have 
conveniently available is WordPad, so I used that to delete only offending 
color definitions.

I _was_ able to  open the .mif file with FrameMaker after it displayed an 
informational window, the content of which I didn't "capture."

I used WordPad a second time to delete some offending character tags and opened 
the .mif file with FrameMaker without complaint.  Go figure.

In the .mif file, each offending character tag was tagged as a ">
 on behalf of Stamm, David >
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:25 PM
To: FrameMaker user's list posting
Subject: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

2016-11-17-04T17:25Z

Windows 7 Enterprise operating system

FrameMaker 2015 Release (13.0.5.547) installed on workstation

FrameMaker source and inset files are on a server on our local area network

==

Help, please, even if only to tell me that I'm "holding my mouth wrong."

With [BookName].book open, on the menu bar, I choose File | Save Book As... > 
MIF 2015 (.mif).  The program saves the .book file as [BookName].mif.

Through Windows Explorer, I open [BookName].mif with Notepad, delete various 
and sundry cruft such bad color definitions, old character tags, and old 
conditional text tags.

I save [BookName].mif and exit Notepad.

Through Windows Explorer, I try to open [BookName].mif with FrameMaker 2015, 
which displays the "Unknown file type" window.

In the "Unknown file type" window, there are numerous types of file listed.  
"MIF" is among the choices, but .fm is not.

When I choose "MIF" and the "Convert" button, the program complains that "The 
filter encountered an error and could not complete the translation."

¿Am I the only one who has experienced this?

Thanks,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer.

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Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

[Fred Ridder]

Are you able to open the MIF file *before* you make your deletions? If so, I'd 
have to guess that something is happening in the MIF editing that is not kosher 
and is, in fact, corrupting the file.


Have you tried using any other text editor besides Notepad? It would be good to 
eliminate that application as the possible cause of the problem.


-FR



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Subject: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

2016-11-17-04T17:25Z

Windows 7 Enterprise operating system

FrameMaker 2015 Release (13.0.5.547) installed on workstation

FrameMaker source and inset files are on a server on our local area network

==

Help, please, even if only to tell me that I'm "holding my mouth wrong."

With [BookName].book open, on the menu bar, I choose File | Save Book As... > 
MIF 2015 (.mif).  The program saves the .book file as [BookName].mif.

Through Windows Explorer, I open [BookName].mif with Notepad, delete various 
and sundry cruft such bad color definitions, old character tags, and old 
conditional text tags.

I save [BookName].mif and exit Notepad.

Through Windows Explorer, I try to open [BookName].mif with FrameMaker 2015, 
which displays the "Unknown file type" window.

In the "Unknown file type" window, there are numerous types of file listed.  
"MIF" is among the choices, but .fm is not.

When I choose "MIF" and the "Convert" button, the program complains that "The 
filter encountered an error and could not complete the translation."

¿Am I the only one who has experienced this?

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Dave Stamm
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Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

[Stamm, David]

2016-11-17-04T18:00Z

Robert -

Thanks for the suggestion, but no joy:  the same thing happens.

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

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Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 12:57
To: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

Skip Windows Explorer. Use File > Open in FrameMaker.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Stamm, David  wrote:
> ... Through Windows Explorer, I try to open [BookName].mif with FrameMaker 
> 2015, which displays the "Unknown file type" window.
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Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

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Skip Windows Explorer. Use File > Open in FrameMaker.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Stamm, David  wrote:
> ... Through Windows Explorer, I try to open [BookName].mif with FrameMaker 
> 2015, which displays the "Unknown file type" window.
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Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files

[Jack DeLand]

I never trust Notepad. Notepad++ is a free programming editor, very nice. 
You'll love it!

Jack DeLand
734 972 3026

> On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Stamm, David  wrote:
> 
> 2016-11-17-04T17:25Z
> 
> Windows 7 Enterprise operating system
> 
> FrameMaker 2015 Release (13.0.5.547) installed on workstation
> 
> FrameMaker source and inset files are on a server on our local area network
> 
> ==
> 
> Help, please, even if only to tell me that I'm "holding my mouth wrong."
> 
> With [BookName].book open, on the menu bar, I choose File | Save Book As... > 
> MIF 2015 (.mif).  The program saves the .book file as [BookName].mif.
> 
> Through Windows Explorer, I open [BookName].mif with Notepad, delete various 
> and sundry cruft such bad color definitions, old character tags, and old 
> conditional text tags.
> 
> I save [BookName].mif and exit Notepad.
> 
> Through Windows Explorer, I try to open [BookName].mif with FrameMaker 2015, 
> which displays the "Unknown file type" window.
> 
> In the "Unknown file type" window, there are numerous types of file listed.  
> "MIF" is among the choices, but .fm is not.
> 
> When I choose "MIF" and the "Convert" button, the program complains that "The 
> filter encountered an error and could not complete the translation."
> 
> ¿Am I the only one who has experienced this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Dave Stamm
> Information Engineer.
> 
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[Framers] Mif wash .book files

[Stamm, David]

2016-11-17-04T17:25Z

Windows 7 Enterprise operating system

FrameMaker 2015 Release (13.0.5.547) installed on workstation

FrameMaker source and inset files are on a server on our local area network

==

Help, please, even if only to tell me that I'm "holding my mouth wrong."

With [BookName].book open, on the menu bar, I choose File | Save Book As... > 
MIF 2015 (.mif).  The program saves the .book file as [BookName].mif.

Through Windows Explorer, I open [BookName].mif with Notepad, delete various 
and sundry cruft such bad color definitions, old character tags, and old 
conditional text tags.

I save [BookName].mif and exit Notepad.

Through Windows Explorer, I try to open [BookName].mif with FrameMaker 2015, 
which displays the "Unknown file type" window.

In the "Unknown file type" window, there are numerous types of file listed.  
"MIF" is among the choices, but .fm is not.

When I choose "MIF" and the "Convert" button, the program complains that "The 
filter encountered an error and could not complete the translation."

¿Am I the only one who has experienced this?

Thanks,
Dave Stamm
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