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Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain

Oh, bringing up the designer menus with control keys is perfectly fine!.

I meant it is just the "control-i" and "control-b" and "control-u" keys to 
format text that causes problems!

Z

From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer [mailto:dennis.brunnenme...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 01:22 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain ; FrameMaker Postings 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

Hello Z...

Thanks for your warning about the Control-key functions. I assume though that 
it is still OK to access the paragraph and character designers with the Ctrl+D 
and the Ctrl+M keystrokes. Is that true or should I rely on the menus to open 
those designers?

Dennis...

On 11/30/2016 10:28 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote:

Robert Lauriston said:

First rule of FrameMaker: use only paragraph and character tags to format your 
text.

Second rule of FrameMaker: use only paragraph and character tags to format your 
text.

Heartily, HEARTILY agreed!

In particular, the use of Control-key functions to add character formats (for 
italics and bolding, etc.) is a dangerous thing to do - whether in FrameMaker 
or Microsoft Word or elsewhere.

_Any_ later change to the paragraph format will remove all these "override 
uses" and result in a different emphasis to the text.

Z

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Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Robert Lauriston

You should set tab stops only in Paragraph Designer, right.

FrameMaker 7.2 is in most ways as good as the latest release and in
some ways better.

If you want to use any special characters, you'll want to consult the
FM7 "FrameMaker Character Sets" document:

http://wwwimages.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/devnet/framemaker/pdfs/Character_Sets.pdf

Did FrameMaker 7.2 come with Zapf Dingbats and Symbol fonts, and if so
are they usable in 64-bit Windows 7?

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer
 wrote:
> Hi everyone...
>
> I must admit that I'm overwhelmed by the number of kind and helpful
> responses I've received, especially considering my expertise at the time of
> my first posting. I'm relearning the application, having once produced a
> very nice User's Manual in or around 2007. It's been an arduous climb back
> up the learning curve after 9 years, but thanks to all of you, I'm feeling
> pretty good about it.
>
> I don't have the means, unfortunately, to upgrade to FrameMaker 8, 9 or
> beyond.  That said, I have no need to backsave anything from FM 7.2, so that
> isn't an issue. I am curious, though, about the statement below that UTF-8
> can cause some problems in 7.2 other than with backsaving.  Are there issues
> with this within a FM 7.2-only  environment?
>
> Also, since everyone has unanimously suggested that one should avoid using
> the Formatting Bar and even the shortcuts via key strokes, I assume that
> means that paragraph tabs should only be configured in the Paragraph
> Designer.
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Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer


Hello Z...

Thanks for your warning about the Control-key functions. I assume though 
that it is still OK to access the paragraph and character designers with 
the Ctrl+D and the Ctrl+M keystrokes. Is that true or should I rely on 
the menus to open those designers?


Dennis...


On 11/30/2016 10:28 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote:

Robert Lauriston said:

First rule of FrameMaker: use only paragraph and character tags to format your 
text.
Second rule of FrameMaker: use only paragraph and character tags to format your 
text.

Heartily, HEARTILY agreed!

In particular, the use of Control-key functions to add character formats (for 
italics and bolding, etc.) is a dangerous thing to do - whether in FrameMaker 
or Microsoft Word or elsewhere.

_Any_ later change to the paragraph format will remove all these "override 
uses" and result in a different emphasis to the text.

Z
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Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Craig Ede

I think 7.2 is fine within itself. The UTF8 backsaving issue to 7.0 MIF starts 
with FM7.2 and affects all the newer versions (I believe) so that shouldn't 
cause you problems. (All this from my admittedly flawed memory. Others may want 
to correct this.)


Craig
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Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer


Hi everyone...

I must admit that I'm overwhelmed by the number of kind and helpful  
responses I've received, especially considering my expertise at the time 
of my first posting. I'm relearning the application, having once 
produced a very nice User's Manual in or around 2007. It's been an 
arduous climb back up the learning curve after 9 years, but thanks to 
all of you, I'm feeling pretty good about it.


I don't have the means, unfortunately, to upgrade to FrameMaker 8, 9 or 
beyond.  That said, I have no need to backsave anything from FM 7.2, so 
that isn't an issue. I am curious, though, about the statement below 
that UTF-8 can cause some problems in 7.2 other than with backsaving.  
Are there issues with this within a FM 7.2-only  environment?


Also, since everyone has unanimously suggested that one should avoid 
using the Formatting Bar and even the shortcuts via key strokes, I 
assume that means that paragraph tabs should only be configured in the 
Paragraph Designer.


Thanks again for your valuable suggestions.

Dennis


On 11/30/2016 11:25 AM, Craig Ede wrote:

I believe 7.2 went to UTF 8 encoding which can cause some problems, especially 
with backsaving.

A translation company I worked for ran into problems trying to save later files 
back to 7.0 mif because certain characters (like bullets used in list, I see to 
remember) would be messed up by that.

Craig


From: Framers  on behalf 
of Robert Lauriston 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:20 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

The differences between unstructured FrameMaker 6 and 7.2 were fairly
minor. The main thing I recall was the addition of multi-level undo.

The big changes were in FM8, which switched from proprietary character
sets to Unicode, and FM9, which layered on the nonstandard UI (though
as you drill down some of the dialog boxes are unchanged from FM5 or
even earlier).

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:15 AM, Caroline Tabach  wrote:

... http://www.peachpit.com/articles/index.aspx?st=60562

Adobe FrameMaker Articles | 
Peachpit
www.peachpit.com
FrameMaker 7 provides you with user-friendly, powerful layout features and the 
ability to create structured documents. Lisa Jahred tells you what's new ...




These cover paragraph, table and character formats and more,
Even though they say Frame 6, the principle is the same

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Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Craig Ede

I believe 7.2 went to UTF 8 encoding which can cause some problems, especially 
with backsaving.

A translation company I worked for ran into problems trying to save later files 
back to 7.0 mif because certain characters (like bullets used in list, I see to 
remember) would be messed up by that.

Craig

From: Framers  on 
behalf of Robert Lauriston 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:20 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

The differences between unstructured FrameMaker 6 and 7.2 were fairly
minor. The main thing I recall was the addition of multi-level undo.

The big changes were in FM8, which switched from proprietary character
sets to Unicode, and FM9, which layered on the nonstandard UI (though
as you drill down some of the dialog boxes are unchanged from FM5 or
even earlier).

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:15 AM, Caroline Tabach  wrote:
> ... http://www.peachpit.com/articles/index.aspx?st=60562
Adobe FrameMaker Articles | 
Peachpit
www.peachpit.com
FrameMaker 7 provides you with user-friendly, powerful layout features and the 
ability to create structured documents. Lisa Jahred tells you what's new ...

>
> These cover paragraph, table and character formats and more,
> Even though they say Frame 6, the principle is the same
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Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Robert Lauriston

The differences between unstructured FrameMaker 6 and 7.2 were fairly
minor. The main thing I recall was the addition of multi-level undo.

The big changes were in FM8, which switched from proprietary character
sets to Unicode, and FM9, which layered on the nonstandard UI (though
as you drill down some of the dialog boxes are unchanged from FM5 or
even earlier).

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:15 AM, Caroline Tabach  wrote:
> ... http://www.peachpit.com/articles/index.aspx?st=60562
>
> These cover paragraph, table and character formats and more,
> Even though they say Frame 6, the principle is the same
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Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain

All of my replies seem to get tagged with this too. :)

Z

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Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain

Robert Lauriston said:
> First rule of FrameMaker: use only paragraph and character tags to format 
> your text.

> Second rule of FrameMaker: use only paragraph and character tags to format 
> your text.

Heartily, HEARTILY agreed!

In particular, the use of Control-key functions to add character formats (for 
italics and bolding, etc.) is a dangerous thing to do - whether in FrameMaker 
or Microsoft Word or elsewhere.

_Any_ later change to the paragraph format will remove all these "override 
uses" and result in a different emphasis to the text.

Z
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Re: [Framers] Hyperlinks

2016-11-30 Thread Fred Ridder

Oops, those references to Distiller in the last paragraph should have been 
references to Acrobat (or presumably Adobe Reader, as well) because the "Create 
links from URLs" feature operates strictly on the reader side rather than the 
PDF creation side. And if your user has disabled this feature (as is the case 
on my own system), there will be no links in your document unless you 
explicitly encode them via hypertext markers.


I clearly need another cup of coffee...

-FR



From: Framers  on 
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To: Mikey Shine; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Hyperlinks

What you describe is completely consistent with the way Acrobat's implicit 
hyperlink feature ("Create links from URLs") works. If this preference item is 
enabled in Acrobat's Preferences dialog (General page), Acrobat treats anything 
that looks like a URL (e.g., any string that begins with "HTTP:" or "HTTPS:") 
as if it's a hyperlink. This feature usually works OK if the URL is all on one 
line but falls on its face if the URL is split across two (or more) lines 
because as far as Acrobat can tell the line feed constitutes a whitespace 
character that delimits the URL string.


The proper way to handle URLs in FrameMaker is to explicitly code them in the 
source files with hypertext markers. With that mechanism the marker explicitly 
contains the actual URL (which does not need to exactly match what appear in 
the text of the document), and the string in the text that serves as the active 
link (i.e. the hot spot) is explicitly delimited by a character style that you 
apply. (If you don't apply the character style, the hot spot extends from the 
marker itself to the end of the paragraph, which is generally not desirable.) 
In practice the actual process is simpler than it sounds, but if you need the 
actual steps I can write them up for you.


Yes, it's much easier to do nothing in the source file and let Distiller do all 
the work for you, but Distiller has no ability to mind-read your intentions 
when a URL doesn't fit the pattern it knows to interpret as a URL.


-FR



From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 10:51 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Hyperlinks

Some of my url links are not being created correctly when creating a PDF from 
Frame. Most often, this seems to happen if/when a url is split across two lines 
of text but this is not always the case. Does anyone know of a way to prevent 
this from happening?

Also is anyone aware of a good software that would check all hyperlinks within 
a PDF and generate some sort of report broken links?
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Re: [Framers] Hyperlinks

2016-11-30 Thread Fred Ridder

What you describe is completely consistent with the way Acrobat's implicit 
hyperlink feature ("Create links from URLs") works. If this preference item is 
enabled in Acrobat's Preferences dialog (General page), Acrobat treats anything 
that looks like a URL (e.g., any string that begins with "HTTP:" or "HTTPS:") 
as if it's a hyperlink. This feature usually works OK if the URL is all on one 
line but falls on its face if the URL is split across two (or more) lines 
because as far as Acrobat can tell the line feed constitutes a whitespace 
character that delimits the URL string.


The proper way to handle URLs in FrameMaker is to explicitly code them in the 
source files with hypertext markers. With that mechanism the marker explicitly 
contains the actual URL (which does not need to exactly match what appear in 
the text of the document), and the string in the text that serves as the active 
link (i.e. the hot spot) is explicitly delimited by a character style that you 
apply. (If you don't apply the character style, the hot spot extends from the 
marker itself to the end of the paragraph, which is generally not desirable.) 
In practice the actual process is simpler than it sounds, but if you need the 
actual steps I can write them up for you.


Yes, it's much easier to do nothing in the source file and let Distiller do all 
the work for you, but Distiller has no ability to mind-read your intentions 
when a URL doesn't fit the pattern it knows to interpret as a URL.


-FR



From: Framers  on 
behalf of Mikey Shine 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 10:51 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Hyperlinks

Some of my url links are not being created correctly when creating a PDF from 
Frame. Most often, this seems to happen if/when a url is split across two lines 
of text but this is not always the case. Does anyone know of a way to prevent 
this from happening?

Also is anyone aware of a good software that would check all hyperlinks within 
a PDF and generate some sort of report broken links?
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Re: [Framers] Who's in charge?

2016-11-30 Thread Caroline Tabach

Although old

I found the set of articles by Lisa Jahred very very helpful  (FrameMaker, 
Beyond the Basics)

This is a link I found

http://www.peachpit.com/articles/index.aspx?st=60562

These cover paragraph, table and character formats and more,
Even though they say Frame 6, the principle is the same



Caroline Tabach
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Tel: +972-077-7745-042| carol...@radcom.com | www.radcom.com


-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 18:47
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Subject: [Framers] Who's in charge?

FrameMaker 7.2, Unstructured
Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit
Target output: PDF only

As a relatively new beginner, I hate to bother experts with this question, but 
where can I find concise information about the topics below. I have the 
original Adobe 7.0 book as well as their Classroom In A Book. Neither of them, 
as far as I can tell, address the overall concept of how these tools described 
below interact with each other. 
Instead, those books seem to be just a list of step-by-step procedures on how 
to accomplish tasks.

Oh, and I also have The Complete Reference / FrameMaker 7 book by Sarah O'Keefe 
and Sheila Loring. It's size alone is intimidating, but maybe the information I 
need is somewhere in there.

It seems to me that there are three ways to affect paragraph styles:  1) 
Paragraph designer while in Body view mode, 2) Paragraph designer while viewing 
Master and Reference Pages, and 3) the Formatting Bar.

Compounding my confusion is the fact that there are character and paragraph 
styles on the Reference pages that aren't in the Character catalog and 
Paragraph catalogs.

When working on a paragraph on the body pages, it seems like the Formatting bar 
and the Paragraph designer sometimes "disagree" with each other. Trying to 
change the  Default font style for a paragraph sometimes doesn't "take hold," 
meaning no visible changes are made when applying the desired change.

If I want to change the color of the text in a paragraph designer, do I need to 
create a new character format or a new paragraph format?

Again, all I'm looking for, as far as I can tell, is a proper reference 
document that explains the interaction between these tools,  a general 
discussion of when and how they interact, and which one to use.

Thanks.

Dennis...
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