Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

[Victoria Muir]

Oooo. Personally I loathe the new Acrobat UI (and have complained to Adobe 
about it), hopefully they don't decide to go that direction for FrameMaker. 

Added my comments to FRMAKER-2449 too.

Tori Muir
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On 3/9/17, 1:39 PM, "Framers on behalf of Ian Proudfoot" 
 wrote:

I voted for FRMAKER-2449 too. I left the comment that FrameMaker has 
slavishly followed the Adobe Creative Cloud UI guidelines while being the only 
application in TCS to do so. RoboHelp uses a colourful MS ribbon interface 
while Acrobat and Captivate each follow their own unique UI styles. Then 
there's the Windows 2000 vintage style of Robo Screen Capture!

Ian

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+ian.proudfoot=itp-x.co...@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: 09 March 2017 20:50
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling 
to menu icons

Which is useful, thank you, but doesn't that mean you've just changed your 
settings for everything ELSE you use, too?

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:37 PM, techcommtools.com 
wrote:

> Hi Lin, Keith,
>
> I agree…imagine how (not) happy I was to discover that without color, 
> I needed to redo nearly all the screenshots in my Fm book!
>
> I added my “vote” to the colored icons request at
>
> > https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449
>
>
> However, you *can* adjust the size of your icons somewhat by adjusting 
> your Windows interface settings. See video #3 at
>  https://vimeopro.com/mattrsullivan/framemaker-2017-
> release-new-feature-videos  mattrsullivan/framemaker-2017-release-new-feature-videos>
> to watch a video I did for Adobe on the latest functionality.
>
> -Matt
> Matt R. Sullivan
> Tech Comm Tools
>
> online courses   |  
> you can book me 
>
> Author, FrameMaker - Creating and Publishing Content
>   Unstructured-FrameMaker-11/dp/0982811853/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&
> ie=UTF8=1414525942=1-1>
>
>
> >
> > Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 13:13:23 -0500
> > From: Lin Sims 
> > To: Frame Users 
> > Subject: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling
> >   to  menu icons
> >
> >
> > I recently purchased FM 2017 for myself at home, and was most 
> > displeased
> to
> > see that the menu icons had been returned to the "corporate 
> > standard" of tiny and faded, so that they are difficult to 
> > distinguish. This is
> causing
> > me some eye strain, and I'm not at all happy about it.
> >
> > I've put in an official feature request with Adobe, and I'm hoping 
> > at
> least
> > some of you agree with me and would be willing to vote for the request.
> >
> > I am told that the complaints of the pre-release participants on 
> > this subject were "dismissed and belittled"; perhaps if more users 
> > let Adobe know that this is a real issue they'll listen this time. 
> > Frankly, I don't understand why they didn't listen to the testers 
> > who complained. It seems like poor customer service to me.
> >
> > Here's a link to the request if you want to vote on it.
> >
> > https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449
> >
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> >
> >
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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

[Ian Proudfoot]

I voted for FRMAKER-2449 too. I left the comment that FrameMaker has slavishly 
followed the Adobe Creative Cloud UI guidelines while being the only 
application in TCS to do so. RoboHelp uses a colourful MS ribbon interface 
while Acrobat and Captivate each follow their own unique UI styles. Then 
there's the Windows 2000 vintage style of Robo Screen Capture!

Ian

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+ian.proudfoot=itp-x.co...@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: 09 March 2017 20:50
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to 
menu icons

Which is useful, thank you, but doesn't that mean you've just changed your 
settings for everything ELSE you use, too?

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:37 PM, techcommtools.com 
wrote:

> Hi Lin, Keith,
>
> I agree…imagine how (not) happy I was to discover that without color, 
> I needed to redo nearly all the screenshots in my Fm book!
>
> I added my “vote” to the colored icons request at
>
> > https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449
>
>
> However, you *can* adjust the size of your icons somewhat by adjusting 
> your Windows interface settings. See video #3 at
>  https://vimeopro.com/mattrsullivan/framemaker-2017-
> release-new-feature-videos  mattrsullivan/framemaker-2017-release-new-feature-videos>
> to watch a video I did for Adobe on the latest functionality.
>
> -Matt
> Matt R. Sullivan
> Tech Comm Tools
>
> online courses   |  
> you can book me 
>
> Author, FrameMaker - Creating and Publishing Content
>   Unstructured-FrameMaker-11/dp/0982811853/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&
> ie=UTF8=1414525942=1-1>
>
>
> >
> > Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 13:13:23 -0500
> > From: Lin Sims 
> > To: Frame Users 
> > Subject: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling
> >   to  menu icons
> >
> >
> > I recently purchased FM 2017 for myself at home, and was most 
> > displeased
> to
> > see that the menu icons had been returned to the "corporate 
> > standard" of tiny and faded, so that they are difficult to 
> > distinguish. This is
> causing
> > me some eye strain, and I'm not at all happy about it.
> >
> > I've put in an official feature request with Adobe, and I'm hoping 
> > at
> least
> > some of you agree with me and would be willing to vote for the request.
> >
> > I am told that the complaints of the pre-release participants on 
> > this subject were "dismissed and belittled"; perhaps if more users 
> > let Adobe know that this is a real issue they'll listen this time. 
> > Frankly, I don't understand why they didn't listen to the testers 
> > who complained. It seems like poor customer service to me.
> >
> > Here's a link to the request if you want to vote on it.
> >
> > https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449
> >
> > --
> > Lin Sims
> >
> >
>
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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

[Lin Sims]

Are you talking about this one, called *Bad button displays*?

https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2402

I ran a search in Tracker, but didn't find anything for index entries. Or
did you put that in the forums?

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Stamm, David  wrote:

> 2017-03-09-04T20:15Z
>
> I, too, voted in favor of your request.  I also pointed out that your
> request is analogous to my request to enlarge the typeface in the dialog
> box for index entries.  Good luck.
>
> Dave Stamm
> Information Engineer
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms.com@lists.
> frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: 2017-03-09-Thursday 13:14
> To: Frame Users
> Subject: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to
> menu icons
>
> I recently purchased FM 2017 for myself at home, and was most displeased
> to see that the menu icons had been returned to the "corporate standard" of
> tiny and faded, so that they are difficult to distinguish. This is causing
> me some eye strain, and I'm not at all happy about it.
>
> I've put in an official feature request with Adobe, and I'm hoping at
> least some of you agree with me and would be willing to vote for the
> request.
>
> I am told that the complaints of the pre-release participants on this
> subject were "dismissed and belittled"; perhaps if more users let Adobe
> know that this is a real issue they'll listen this time. Frankly, I don't
> understand why they didn't listen to the testers who complained. It seems
> like poor customer service to me.
>
> Here's a link to the request if you want to vote on it.
>
> https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449
>
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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

[Lin Sims]

Which is useful, thank you, but doesn't that mean you've just changed your
settings for everything ELSE you use, too?

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:37 PM, techcommtools.com 
wrote:

> Hi Lin, Keith,
>
> I agree…imagine how (not) happy I was to discover that without color, I
> needed to redo nearly all the screenshots in my Fm book!
>
> I added my “vote” to the colored icons request at
>
> > https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449
>
>
> However, you *can* adjust the size of your icons somewhat by adjusting
> your Windows interface settings. See video #3 at
>  https://vimeopro.com/mattrsullivan/framemaker-2017-
> release-new-feature-videos  mattrsullivan/framemaker-2017-release-new-feature-videos>
> to watch a video I did for Adobe on the latest functionality.
>
> -Matt
> Matt R. Sullivan
> Tech Comm Tools
>
> online courses   |  you
> can book me 
>
> Author, FrameMaker - Creating and Publishing Content
>   Unstructured-FrameMaker-11/dp/0982811853/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&
> ie=UTF8=1414525942=1-1>
>
>
> >
> > Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 13:13:23 -0500
> > From: Lin Sims 
> > To: Frame Users 
> > Subject: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling
> >   to  menu icons
> >
> >
> > I recently purchased FM 2017 for myself at home, and was most displeased
> to
> > see that the menu icons had been returned to the "corporate standard" of
> > tiny and faded, so that they are difficult to distinguish. This is
> causing
> > me some eye strain, and I'm not at all happy about it.
> >
> > I've put in an official feature request with Adobe, and I'm hoping at
> least
> > some of you agree with me and would be willing to vote for the request.
> >
> > I am told that the complaints of the pre-release participants on this
> > subject were "dismissed and belittled"; perhaps if more users let Adobe
> > know that this is a real issue they'll listen this time. Frankly, I don't
> > understand why they didn't listen to the testers who complained. It seems
> > like poor customer service to me.
> >
> > Here's a link to the request if you want to vote on it.
> >
> > https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449
> >
> > --
> > Lin Sims
> >
> >
>
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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

[Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia)]

I voted too.  I will admit that my 60 year old eyes get tired of this interface.

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+mark.eichelberger=fiserv@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 3:46 PM
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' 

Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to 
menu icons

I will DEFINITELY vote for both, so that link Dave would be awesome. My aging 
eyes simply cannot handle this interface for any respectable length of time.

Tammy Van Boening
Owner/Principal
Spectrum Writing, LLC
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
TammyVB  *AT*  spectrumwritingllc  *DOT*  com -Original Message-
From: Framers
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On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 1:33 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to 
menu icons

Send me the link, Dave, I'll vote for yours, too!

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Stamm, David  wrote:

> 2017-03-09-04T20:15Z
>
> I, too, voted in favor of your request.  I also pointed out that your 
> request is analogous to my request to enlarge the typeface in the 
> dialog box for index entries.  Good luck.
>
> Dave Stamm
> Information Engineer
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms.com@lists.
> frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: 2017-03-09-Thursday 13:14
> To: Frame Users
> Subject: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling 
> to menu icons
>
> I recently purchased FM 2017 for myself at home, and was most 
> displeased to see that the menu icons had been returned to the 
> "corporate standard" of tiny and faded, so that they are difficult to 
> distinguish. This is causing me some eye strain, and I'm not at all 
> happy
about it.
>
> I've put in an official feature request with Adobe, and I'm hoping at 
> least some of you agree with me and would be willing to vote for the 
> request.
>
> I am told that the complaints of the pre-release participants on this 
> subject were "dismissed and belittled"; perhaps if more users let 
> Adobe know that this is a real issue they'll listen this time.
> Frankly, I don't understand why they didn't listen to the testers who 
> complained. It seems like poor customer service to me.
>
> Here's a link to the request if you want to vote on it.
>
> https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449
>
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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

[Tammy Van Boening]

I will DEFINITELY vote for both, so that link Dave would be awesome. My
aging eyes simply cannot handle this interface for any respectable length of
time.

Tammy Van Boening
Owner/Principal
Spectrum Writing, LLC
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
TammyVB  *AT*  spectrumwritingllc  *DOT*  com
-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 1:33 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to
menu icons

Send me the link, Dave, I'll vote for yours, too!

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Stamm, David  wrote:

> 2017-03-09-04T20:15Z
>
> I, too, voted in favor of your request.  I also pointed out that your 
> request is analogous to my request to enlarge the typeface in the 
> dialog box for index entries.  Good luck.
>
> Dave Stamm
> Information Engineer
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms.com@lists.
> frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: 2017-03-09-Thursday 13:14
> To: Frame Users
> Subject: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling 
> to menu icons
>
> I recently purchased FM 2017 for myself at home, and was most 
> displeased to see that the menu icons had been returned to the 
> "corporate standard" of tiny and faded, so that they are difficult to 
> distinguish. This is causing me some eye strain, and I'm not at all happy
about it.
>
> I've put in an official feature request with Adobe, and I'm hoping at 
> least some of you agree with me and would be willing to vote for the 
> request.
>
> I am told that the complaints of the pre-release participants on this 
> subject were "dismissed and belittled"; perhaps if more users let 
> Adobe know that this is a real issue they'll listen this time. 
> Frankly, I don't understand why they didn't listen to the testers who 
> complained. It seems like poor customer service to me.
>
> Here's a link to the request if you want to vote on it.
>
> https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449
>
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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

[techcommtools.com]

Hi Lin, Keith,

I agree…imagine how (not) happy I was to discover that without color, I needed 
to redo nearly all the screenshots in my Fm book!

I added my “vote” to the colored icons request at

> https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449


However, you *can* adjust the size of your icons somewhat by adjusting your 
Windows interface settings. See video #3 at
 https://vimeopro.com/mattrsullivan/framemaker-2017-release-new-feature-videos 
 
 
to watch a video I did for Adobe on the latest functionality.

-Matt
Matt R. Sullivan 
Tech Comm Tools

online courses   |  you can 
book me 

Author, FrameMaker - Creating and Publishing Content
 



> 
> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 13:13:23 -0500
> From: Lin Sims 
> To: Frame Users 
> Subject: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling
>   to  menu icons
> 
> 
> I recently purchased FM 2017 for myself at home, and was most displeased to
> see that the menu icons had been returned to the "corporate standard" of
> tiny and faded, so that they are difficult to distinguish. This is causing
> me some eye strain, and I'm not at all happy about it.
> 
> I've put in an official feature request with Adobe, and I'm hoping at least
> some of you agree with me and would be willing to vote for the request.
> 
> I am told that the complaints of the pre-release participants on this
> subject were "dismissed and belittled"; perhaps if more users let Adobe
> know that this is a real issue they'll listen this time. Frankly, I don't
> understand why they didn't listen to the testers who complained. It seems
> like poor customer service to me.
> 
> Here's a link to the request if you want to vote on it.
> 
> https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449
> 
> -- 
> Lin Sims
> 
> 

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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

[Lin Sims]

Send me the link, Dave, I'll vote for yours, too!

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Stamm, David  wrote:

> 2017-03-09-04T20:15Z
>
> I, too, voted in favor of your request.  I also pointed out that your
> request is analogous to my request to enlarge the typeface in the dialog
> box for index entries.  Good luck.
>
> Dave Stamm
> Information Engineer
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms.com@lists.
> frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: 2017-03-09-Thursday 13:14
> To: Frame Users
> Subject: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to
> menu icons
>
> I recently purchased FM 2017 for myself at home, and was most displeased
> to see that the menu icons had been returned to the "corporate standard" of
> tiny and faded, so that they are difficult to distinguish. This is causing
> me some eye strain, and I'm not at all happy about it.
>
> I've put in an official feature request with Adobe, and I'm hoping at
> least some of you agree with me and would be willing to vote for the
> request.
>
> I am told that the complaints of the pre-release participants on this
> subject were "dismissed and belittled"; perhaps if more users let Adobe
> know that this is a real issue they'll listen this time. Frankly, I don't
> understand why they didn't listen to the testers who complained. It seems
> like poor customer service to me.
>
> Here's a link to the request if you want to vote on it.
>
> https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449
>
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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

[Stamm, David]

2017-03-09-04T20:15Z

I, too, voted in favor of your request.  I also pointed out that your request 
is analogous to my request to enlarge the typeface in the dialog box for index 
entries.  Good luck.

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Lin Sims
Sent: 2017-03-09-Thursday 13:14
To: Frame Users
Subject: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu 
icons

I recently purchased FM 2017 for myself at home, and was most displeased to see 
that the menu icons had been returned to the "corporate standard" of tiny and 
faded, so that they are difficult to distinguish. This is causing me some eye 
strain, and I'm not at all happy about it.

I've put in an official feature request with Adobe, and I'm hoping at least 
some of you agree with me and would be willing to vote for the request.

I am told that the complaints of the pre-release participants on this subject 
were "dismissed and belittled"; perhaps if more users let Adobe know that this 
is a real issue they'll listen this time. Frankly, I don't understand why they 
didn't listen to the testers who complained. It seems like poor customer 
service to me.

Here's a link to the request if you want to vote on it.

https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449

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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

[Keith Soltys]

I just added a comment and voted. My comment was: "This is important,
especially for those of us with visual problems. Word has allowed full
customization of the interface for years; I don't see why Adobe can't do
the same".

Regards
Keith

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On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> I recently purchased FM 2017 for myself at home, and was most displeased to
> see that the menu icons had been returned to the "corporate standard" of
> tiny and faded, so that they are difficult to distinguish. This is causing
> me some eye strain, and I'm not at all happy about it.
>
> I've put in an official feature request with Adobe, and I'm hoping at least
> some of you agree with me and would be willing to vote for the request.
>
> I am told that the complaints of the pre-release participants on this
> subject were "dismissed and belittled"; perhaps if more users let Adobe
> know that this is a real issue they'll listen this time. Frankly, I don't
> understand why they didn't listen to the testers who complained. It seems
> like poor customer service to me.
>
> Here's a link to the request if you want to vote on it.
>
> https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449
>
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[Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

[Lin Sims]

I recently purchased FM 2017 for myself at home, and was most displeased to
see that the menu icons had been returned to the "corporate standard" of
tiny and faded, so that they are difficult to distinguish. This is causing
me some eye strain, and I'm not at all happy about it.

I've put in an official feature request with Adobe, and I'm hoping at least
some of you agree with me and would be willing to vote for the request.

I am told that the complaints of the pre-release participants on this
subject were "dismissed and belittled"; perhaps if more users let Adobe
know that this is a real issue they'll listen this time. Frankly, I don't
understand why they didn't listen to the testers who complained. It seems
like poor customer service to me.

Here's a link to the request if you want to vote on it.

https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2449

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Re: [Framers] Questions about tech docs in an Agile environment (may be off-topic)

[Pat Christenson]

Good question.

We don't expect the users to read the entire document. There's a mini-TOC on 
the first page that lists the product sub-sections and new/enhanced features in 
each. So the expectation is that users will read that and jump to the content 
that applies to them.

But I'm going to find out if we've ever queried them about how they use release 
notes and what they would prefer.

Thanks.

Pat

From: Craig, Alison [mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 1:02 PM
To: Pat Christenson 
Subject: RE: [Framers] Questions about tech docs in an Agile environment (may 
be off-topic)

Has anyone actually surveyed your market to ask if any of your clientele 
actually *reads* 30-40 pages of release notes?

My guess is, there's not a chance that most customers even skim them.

Even better than surveying who reads them, survey what your clientele *expect* 
in a release note.

Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Specialist
BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com | 
bkultrasound.com

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[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Pat Christenson
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 9:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Questions about tech docs in an Agile environment (may 
be off-topic)

Thank you all for the information! Naturally, there have been developments here 
since I asked my question.

One of our product teams that is facing a huge push has designed a very simple 
Help system. (This was news to me and my management last Friday!) Their plan is 
for the product managers to write the Help topics, procedures, etc., and I will 
word-smith it. It's all very simple and their first pass doesn't include 
features that you would want in a "real" Help system (links, etc.) but it's a 
start and it's certainly easier than me building from scratch. So we're going 
to do our part and keep pushing for it to grow into something more robust.

I've had a couple meetings about reducing our gigantic monthly release notes on 
the other major product. I want to do a list of new and enhanced features with 
links to the details. I'm also pushing to make the content more focused on 
people who are familiar with the product. (Right now, we approach every topic 
as if the user has never seen it before and IMO, that's not the way to write 
release notes.) The question now is where to store the detailed info and how to 
re-use it in QuickStart guides, etc.

I'm making some progress--I've been asked to do a mockup of a portion of last 
month's release notes in my proposed format.

Someone here asked how much is "a lot"? Last month, the release notes for the 
two major products were 120 pages. It's the largest we've had during my tenure 
but given the way development is going, that could happen again. (Normally it's 
been 30-40 pages, which is still too much.)

I'm certainly facing challenges but that's part of why I came to this company. 
I would like to update this group every now and then on what we're learning and 
how we're handling it.

Thank you again for your thoughtful input!

Pat

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Can you be agile in a heavily regulated industry?

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