Re: [Framers] OFF TOPIC, Translation Need.

2017-07-28 Thread Craig, Alison 
I can't speak for all disciplines, but in the medical device arena I know that 
some LSPs are now expanding their ISO certifications so that they are, for 
example, ISO 13485-compliant (this is the ISO standard used by Health Canada 
and CE). I believe the life sciences and medical device arms of 
TransPerfect.com claim this.

It's been so long since I had to qualify an LSP that I can't remember exactly 
what they expect when qualifying a translator - but there is absolutely no 
reason not to ask for this procedure when you're researching LSPs.

Alison

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At 21:52 + 26/7/17, Craig, Alison wrote:

>Professional translators are supposed to live in the country where they speak 
>the translation language. ISO certified firms will have this as a hiring 
>requirement.

A slightly curious criterion, but I consider myself duly informed.

By 'translation language'. I guess you mean target language.

As someone who has danced around translation for many years, I accidentally 
developed a small specialization in rewriting technical material originally 
written in English by authors who did not have English as their first language. 
I am very relieved that I never had to subcontract translation services, 
because I have never been able to reconcile the correct balance between 
expertise in the source and target languages and expertise in the subject 
matter. Clearly both is the ideal, but such animals are a rare species indeed. 
I would be interested to know what process in ISO certification of an LSP 
verifies subject matter expertise.

For example, as a result of previous work on textbooks, I have recently done 
'translation' of technical material written in German. I only have a smattering 
of German, but I do understand the subject matter. So the 'translation' process 
involves transliteration using freely-available online services, followed by 
rewriting the copy so that it makes both linguistic and technical sense in the 
target language, in this case English. The latter is the huge bulk of the work, 
with a fair bit of ironing out of idiom in the source material.

I absolutely could not perform the reverse operation. So I guess I fit Alison's 
criterion, in that I live in England: certainly my clients seem happy, but in 
no way can I claim to be a professional translator. Conversely, someone with 
good German skills but little or no understanding of, say, software development 
methodologies, might well flounder. Leaving translation aside, I know of 
English-speaking copy-editors who claim to be able to work on any material: 
this makes me worried.

So what is the ideal balance between source/target language expertise and 
subject matter expertise? I suspect this question is at the heart of LSP 
specification, and Alison's suggestion of a 'test package' seems a very sound 
one.

--
Steve
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[Framers] subject matter expertise Re: OFF TOPIC, Translation Need.

2017-07-28 Thread Craig Ede 
I know that the translation service I worked for had a certification program 
that would certify certain translators only for specific types of subject 
matter. So a 'linguist" (as they called them) in  a specific language might be 
certified to translate marketing materials, but not certified to translate 
technical manuals for biomedical devices.


Craig


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At 21:52 + 26/7/17, Craig, Alison wrote:


So what is the ideal balance between source/target language expertise and 
subject matter expertise? I suspect this question is at the heart of LSP 
specification, and Alison's suggestion of a 'test package' seems a very sound 
one.

--
Steve
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Re: [Framers] OT: Acrobat Upgrade

2017-07-28 Thread Penelope Perkins 
Theresa,

What version of XI do you have? I have 11.0.20 and just ran a check for updates 
and it reports none are available. So, I would guess that if you are not yet on 
11.0.20, the update is legitimate. If you are on 11.0.20, be cautious!

Regards,
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Once before I upgraded my Acrobat installation and it upgraded me to DC. 
What I don't remember was whether it was Acrobat Reader or my full 
installation of XI. Laboriously I uninstalled it. Then I removed Reader 
from my system so I wouldn't get those messages again.

Now the dialogue box is telling me to upgrade my version of Acrobat XI.

Should I believe it?

Thanks,
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Re: [Framers] Is there a POD for Track Text Edits?

2017-07-28 Thread John Posada 
Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Craig Ede  wrote:

> Sorry, I was on a different computer with no access to FrameMaker. In FM12
> that toolbar is under View > Toolbars > Track Text Edits.
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> I hope I've understood your question correctly. It wouldn't be the first
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> There are a series of menu bar items for this, or at least there used to
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[Framers] OT: Acrobat Upgrade

2017-07-28 Thread Theresa de Valence 
Once before I upgraded my Acrobat installation and it upgraded me to DC. 
What I don't remember was whether it was Acrobat Reader or my full 
installation of XI. Laboriously I uninstalled it. Then I removed Reader 
from my system so I wouldn't get those messages again.


Now the dialogue box is telling me to upgrade my version of Acrobat XI.

Should I believe it?

Thanks,
Theresa
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Re: [Framers] OFF TOPIC, Translation Need.

2017-07-28 Thread Steve Rickaby 
At 21:52 + 26/7/17, Craig, Alison wrote:

>Professional translators are supposed to live in the country where they speak 
>the translation language. ISO certified firms will have this as a hiring 
>requirement.

A slightly curious criterion, but I consider myself duly informed.

By 'translation language'. I guess you mean target language.

As someone who has danced around translation for many years, I accidentally 
developed a small specialization in rewriting technical material originally 
written in English by authors who did not have English as their first language. 
I am very relieved that I never had to subcontract translation services, 
because I have never been able to reconcile the correct balance between 
expertise in the source and target languages and expertise in the subject 
matter. Clearly both is the ideal, but such animals are a rare species indeed. 
I would be interested to know what process in ISO certification of an LSP 
verifies subject matter expertise.

For example, as a result of previous work on textbooks, I have recently done 
'translation' of technical material written in German. I only have a smattering 
of German, but I do understand the subject matter. So the 'translation' process 
involves transliteration using freely-available online services, followed by 
rewriting the copy so that it makes both linguistic and technical sense in the 
target language, in this case English. The latter is the huge bulk of the work, 
with a fair bit of ironing out of idiom in the source material.

I absolutely could not perform the reverse operation. So I guess I fit Alison's 
criterion, in that I live in England: certainly my clients seem happy, but in 
no way can I claim to be a professional translator. Conversely, someone with 
good German skills but little or no understanding of, say, software development 
methodologies, might well flounder. Leaving translation aside, I know of 
English-speaking copy-editors who claim to be able to work on any material: 
this makes me worried.

So what is the ideal balance between source/target language expertise and 
subject matter expertise? I suspect this question is at the heart of LSP 
specification, and Alison's suggestion of a 'test package' seems a very sound 
one.

-- 
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Re: [Framers] Is there a POD for Track Text Edits?

2017-07-28 Thread Klaus Daube 
On 27 Jul 2017 at 14:07, Lin Sims wrote:

> I don't know if these still work (they're from Frame8), but these are the
> keyboard shortcuts for the various track changes commands.
> ...

Lin, they are all still valid: I have checked against the cmds.cfg file and 
found a 
few more:

Esc s t t aAccept Edit and Show Next
Esc s t d  Disable tracking
Esc s t t rReject Edit and Show Next

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