Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

[David Creamer]

I can do that with the TCS versions of Frame, so I except it is the same
with the standalone subscription.
However, I don't think you can install an earlier version than when you
started your subscription, but I'm not sure.

David Creamer
IDEAS Training

It used to be that you could have more than one version of a program
available in the Creative Cloud subscription. I would expect that to be the
same with FrameMaker? Can someone confirm that?


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Re: [Framers] Override default CSS created during conversion to Basic HTML

[Pat Christenson]

I found it can do it super-fast with NotePad++ (free download). What a 
time-saver!

Thanks.

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Override default CSS created during conversion to Basic 
HTML

Write a script to change the CSS references in all the HTML files at once. Or 
use Funduc Search and Replace for Windows.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Pat Christenson 
 wrote:
> The Manage CSS options are Import and Export. I can import the remote CSS but 
> it still creates a locate CSS, using the content of the remote one.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
>  
> On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 12:47 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Override default CSS created during conversion 
> to Basic HTML
>
> The Manage CSS dialog is supposed to allow you to specify an external CSS 
> file.
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Pat Christenson 
>  wrote:
>> FrameMaker 2017, Windows
>>
>> I have 100+ FrameMaker files in a book to convert to individual Basic HTML 
>> files. Everything is going well, except for one thing.
>>
>> The HTML files will be uploaded to a server, which is where the Official, 
>> Approved CSS file resides. The problem is when I publish the book, 
>> FrameMaker creates a CSS file on my system that each of the HTML files is 
>> linked to. I cannot find a way to replace that link in the files with a link 
>> to the CSS on the server.
>>
>> Manually fixing it in each file is not a practical option; these will be 
>> occasionally updated and I need to automate this.
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Re: [Framers] Override default CSS created during conversion to Basic HTML

[Robert Lauriston]

Write a script to change the CSS references in all the HTML files at
once. Or use Funduc Search and Replace for Windows.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Pat Christenson
 wrote:
> The Manage CSS options are Import and Export. I can import the remote CSS but 
> it still creates a locate CSS, using the content of the remote one.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
>  On 
> Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 12:47 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Override default CSS created during conversion to 
> Basic HTML
>
> The Manage CSS dialog is supposed to allow you to specify an external CSS 
> file.
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Pat Christenson 
>  wrote:
>> FrameMaker 2017, Windows
>>
>> I have 100+ FrameMaker files in a book to convert to individual Basic HTML 
>> files. Everything is going well, except for one thing.
>>
>> The HTML files will be uploaded to a server, which is where the Official, 
>> Approved CSS file resides. The problem is when I publish the book, 
>> FrameMaker creates a CSS file on my system that each of the HTML files is 
>> linked to. I cannot find a way to replace that link in the files with a link 
>> to the CSS on the server.
>>
>> Manually fixing it in each file is not a practical option; these will be 
>> occasionally updated and I need to automate this.
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Re: [Framers] Fwd: Starting DITA 1.2

[Robert Lauriston]

DITA is an XML data model. DTDs are one of many parts of that model
and are not required for all DITA documents.

https://dita.xml.org

http://docs.oasis-open.org/dita/v1.2/os/spec/DITA1.2-spec.html

People commonly don't publish XML. That's a source format and they
publish PDF, online help, static HTML, whatever.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:52 AM, shuttie27  wrote:
> No, DITA is not XML. It is a DTD that can be used to create XML documents. It 
> can also be used within a FrameMaker structured application to create 
> structured FM documents that can remain just that, with output to PDF. The 
> DITA EDD within FrameMaker will take care of the paragraph and character 
> tagging. There is absolutely no requirement to output XML if you don't want 
> to. My point was that the OP can create FM documents using the DITA 
> application in FramaMaker, output to PDF, and think about XML later on. That 
> is exactly what I did some years back.
> Roger
>
>
> Sent from my tablet.
>  Original message From: Robert Lauriston 
>  Date: 28/06/2018  18:12  (GMT+00:00) To: "An email 
> list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." 
>  Subject: [Framers] Fwd:  Starting DITA 1.2
> "Forget about XML for the time being. You can use DITA or any other
> structure without having to convert it to XML."
>
> DITA is XML. Or are you saying that you could use unstructured
> FrameMaker paragraph and character tags in the same way you would DITA
> elements? That's not entirely true, some elements have no counterpart
> in unstructured FrameMaker.
>
> If you can accomplish something using unstructured FrameMaker, why put
> in all the time and effort to use structured? Conversely, if you
> really need DITA, FrameMaker's probably not the best tool.
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Roger Shuttleworth 
> Date: Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 2:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Starting DITA 1.2
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>
>
> ... Forget about XML for the time being. You can use DITA or any other
> structure without having to convert it to XML. I did that for a couple
> of years before even attempting to create XML. ...
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Re: [Framers] Override default CSS created during conversion to Basic HTML

[Pat Christenson]

The Manage CSS options are Import and Export. I can import the remote CSS but 
it still creates a locate CSS, using the content of the remote one.

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On 
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Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 12:47 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Override default CSS created during conversion to Basic 
HTML

The Manage CSS dialog is supposed to allow you to specify an external CSS file.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Pat Christenson 
 wrote:
> FrameMaker 2017, Windows
>
> I have 100+ FrameMaker files in a book to convert to individual Basic HTML 
> files. Everything is going well, except for one thing.
>
> The HTML files will be uploaded to a server, which is where the Official, 
> Approved CSS file resides. The problem is when I publish the book, FrameMaker 
> creates a CSS file on my system that each of the HTML files is linked to. I 
> cannot find a way to replace that link in the files with a link to the CSS on 
> the server.
>
> Manually fixing it in each file is not a practical option; these will be 
> occasionally updated and I need to automate this.
>
> Any help?
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Re: [Framers] Fwd: Starting DITA 1.2

[shuttie27]

No, DITA is not XML. It is a DTD that can be used to create XML documents. It 
can also be used within a FrameMaker structured application to create 
structured FM documents that can remain just that, with output to PDF. The DITA 
EDD within FrameMaker will take care of the paragraph and character tagging. 
There is absolutely no requirement to output XML if you don't want to. My point 
was that the OP can create FM documents using the DITA application in 
FramaMaker, output to PDF, and think about XML later on. That is exactly what I 
did some years back.
Roger


Sent from my tablet.
 Original message From: Robert Lauriston  
Date: 28/06/2018  18:12  (GMT+00:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe 
FrameMaker software."  Subject: [Framers] Fwd:  
Starting DITA 1.2 
"Forget about XML for the time being. You can use DITA or any other
structure without having to convert it to XML."

DITA is XML. Or are you saying that you could use unstructured
FrameMaker paragraph and character tags in the same way you would DITA
elements? That's not entirely true, some elements have no counterpart
in unstructured FrameMaker.

If you can accomplish something using unstructured FrameMaker, why put
in all the time and effort to use structured? Conversely, if you
really need DITA, FrameMaker's probably not the best tool.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Roger Shuttleworth 
Date: Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 2:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Framers] Starting DITA 1.2
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com


... Forget about XML for the time being. You can use DITA or any other
structure without having to convert it to XML. I did that for a couple
of years before even attempting to create XML. ...
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Re: [Framers] Override default CSS created during conversion to Basic HTML

[Robert Lauriston]

The Manage CSS dialog is supposed to allow you to specify an external CSS file.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Pat Christenson
 wrote:
> FrameMaker 2017, Windows
>
> I have 100+ FrameMaker files in a book to convert to individual Basic HTML 
> files. Everything is going well, except for one thing.
>
> The HTML files will be uploaded to a server, which is where the Official, 
> Approved CSS file resides. The problem is when I publish the book, FrameMaker 
> creates a CSS file on my system that each of the HTML files is linked to. I 
> cannot find a way to replace that link in the files with a link to the CSS on 
> the server.
>
> Manually fixing it in each file is not a practical option; these will be 
> occasionally updated and I need to automate this.
>
> Any help?
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[Framers] Override default CSS created during conversion to Basic HTML

[Pat Christenson]

FrameMaker 2017, Windows

I have 100+ FrameMaker files in a book to convert to individual Basic HTML 
files. Everything is going well, except for one thing.

The HTML files will be uploaded to a server, which is where the Official, 
Approved CSS file resides. The problem is when I publish the book, FrameMaker 
creates a CSS file on my system that each of the HTML files is linked to. I 
cannot find a way to replace that link in the files with a link to the CSS on 
the server.

Manually fixing it in each file is not a practical option; these will be 
occasionally updated and I need to automate this.

Any help?


Pat Christenson
Senior Technical Writer, Client Education
Morningstar, Inc.
pat.christen...@morningstar.com

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[Framers] Fwd: Starting DITA 1.2

[Robert Lauriston]

"Forget about XML for the time being. You can use DITA or any other
structure without having to convert it to XML."

DITA is XML. Or are you saying that you could use unstructured
FrameMaker paragraph and character tags in the same way you would DITA
elements? That's not entirely true, some elements have no counterpart
in unstructured FrameMaker.

If you can accomplish something using unstructured FrameMaker, why put
in all the time and effort to use structured? Conversely, if you
really need DITA, FrameMaker's probably not the best tool.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Roger Shuttleworth 
Date: Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 2:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Framers] Starting DITA 1.2
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com


... Forget about XML for the time being. You can use DITA or any other
structure without having to convert it to XML. I did that for a couple
of years before even attempting to create XML. ...
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Re: [Framers] Starting DITA 1.2

[Roger Shuttleworth]

Further to Scott's excellent advice:

There are two separate issues here. One is DITA, and the other is 
structured authoring in FrameMaker. Of these, you should tackle the 
latter first. DITA is only one of the possible structures that you could 
use; the important first step is to bring your mindset to think in terms 
of structure as well as content. I am very grateful for a course that I 
attended many years ago on structured writing. On that course, having 
determined what our document structure should be, we simply used 
paragraph and character formats to define it by making full use of the 
"Next Pfg Format" property in the Paragraph Designer.


So you should constantly be asking yourself, "What IS this?" as well as 
"What should it say?" From your original post, it sounds as though you 
already have the concepts of structure in your existing manuals - 
consistent use of paragraph formats, and so on.


Having got that mindset under control, it was relatively easy to ensure 
that all new content was written in a structured way, still using 
unstructured FM. And that, in turn, made it easier to transition to 
structured FM later on.


My advice would be to try writing some sample topics using the default 
DITA 1.2 application that is supplied with FM. (Caveat: My latest 
version is FM11, so I'm assuming that it is the same in newer versions.)


Another important piece of advice (IMHO): Forget about XML for the time 
being. You can use DITA or any other structure without having to convert 
it to XML. I did that for a couple of years before even attempting to 
create XML. XML output is not without its own challenges, which you 
don't need at this stage.


Since you are documenting programming commands, most of your topics will 
be DITA  topics. You can wrap these in higher-level  
topics, keeping them all in one document. That is a whole lot easier 
than creating hundreds of standalone topic files - that can come later 
on. So forget about ditamaps for now.


I hope this helps.

Some versions back Adobe supplied with FM a structured authoring 
"cookbook", which was a tutorial with a set of files that you could work 
on. It was a great learning tool. Unfortunately, in their wisdom they 
discontinued it, but someone on the list may be able to supply you with 
it - I think it was pre-FM9.


Regards,

Roger


On 27/06/2018 19:34, Scott Prentice wrote:

Hi C2...

That's a big question. Not one that can be answered properly via email.

First .. read up on basic DITA concepts. Don't focus on what you want 
to do with it and how you can change it. Learn the fundamentals of 
DITA and structured authoring in FrameMaker. Here are a couple places 
to start (other people will likely have other ideas too) ..


- http://www.publishingsmarter.com/resources/books-and-articles
- https://www.scriptorium.com/learning-dita/

Also .. you may want to get on the framemaker-dita (Yahoo) maillist, 
you may get more help there.


When reading about DITA concepts, don't worry about finding 
information about FrameMaker and DITA .. the concepts apply equally to 
all editors. Once you learn the basics of the topic and map models, 
you can focus on how you work with those models in FrameMaker. 
Similarly, you can learn about structured authoring in FrameMaker 
without focusing on DITA. DITA is just one model that you can use in 
FrameMaker, the basics of structured authoring in FrameMaker are the 
same regardless of the model. There are FM/DITA specific issues, but 
once you need to worry about that you'll be further down the path.


Once you've learned a bit about DITA and start to feel comfortable 
creating basic topics and maps, you may want to consider trying to 
modify the elements and model .. try to avoid that as long as 
possible. Just work with what's there .. really. You'll be better off.


In order to modify the model you should create your own structure 
application then modify that. Don't modify the default structure 
applications in FrameMaker. You *will* break things (everyone does), 
and if you don't have the default apps available to use, you'll be in 
trouble.


Take this slow, and you'll find that DITA can be very powerful .. just 
don't try to rush things.


Cheers,
...scott



On 6/27/18 11:04 AM, cuc tu wrote:

Hello Frame-users,

I’m not familiar with structuring authoring, so hoping to get some 
guidance on creating DITA reference topics of programming commands. 
I'm spending a lot of time searching for help and not getting very 
far for the time I'me spending.


First, I wonder if there are good samples to review of something 
similar.


Next, I’m unsure of what would be an appropriate high level element 
structure.


My main question is how should all the content blocks be structured 
and under what elements? From my perspective, is the whole chapter 
wrapped inside a reference element, with more nested reference 
elements for each main command grouping, and then each command yet 
another nested reference