Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties

[Craig Ede]

Hello Alison,

Since anything can happen in a FrameMaker file that is out there in use, I 
always document my templates by writing a style guide in that template going 
through all the various tags, and other settings that make up a FrameMaker 
file. By keeping that information in the template you prevent redefinition of 
elements in one book/file from being mistaken for the sanctioned settings. It 
also allows importing of the definitions of any of the elements from the 
template when you have to bring a book/file back into compliance with a 
template.

This worked well when have 50+ engineers working in the individual files that 
make up a book, some of whom are only casually interested in not using the Word 
format-as-you-go method of working.

In my opinion, any FrameMaker template should self document in this way so that 
one knows the rules one is working with.

Those are my 2 cents worth.

Craig Ede


From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 6:17 PM
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Subject: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties

Is there a way to print Character, Paragraph and Table tag properties
directly from a Frame file?

As a lone writer, I never have time to create a decent style guide, but in
the Spring I'm going to have access to a student from a local tech comm
program and I want them to at least start documenting tags for a style
guide.

If there's a way to export these details, even if the output isn't pretty,
that would be great.



Alison

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Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties

[acraig]

Unfortunately, due to the security precautions that our company takes, third
party apps can take months to be approved - it they are approved at all.

I do have the Silicon Prairie tools, so I'll have to explore them in depth.
I only took a quick glance and didn't see what I was looking for - I didn't
read all the instructions (as I should have).

The MIF method looks workable if a little cumbersome. 

Thanks for the ideas.

Alison 


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From: Framers  On
Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: December 14, 2023 7:41 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties

Just an additional comment on my earlier Format List from squidds.de
post: I'm using an older version of FM, so haven't bought this utility for a
while. But I seem to recall that, since I last purchased, they changed their
license from a one-time purchase to requiring an upgrade with every FM
upgrade. So you might want to check that out and consider it before any
purchase.

Mike Wickham

On 12/13/2023 6:17 PM, acr...@shaw.ca wrote:
> Is there a way to print Character, Paragraph and Table tag properties 
> directly from a Frame file?
>
> As a lone writer, I never have time to create a decent style guide, 
> but in the Spring I'm going to have access to a student from a local 
> tech comm program and I want them to at least start documenting tags 
> for a style guide.
>
> If there's a way to export these details, even if the output isn't 
> pretty, that would be great.
>
>   
>
> Alison
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Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties

[Mike Wickham]

Just an additional comment on my earlier Format List from squidds.de 
post: I'm using an older version of FM, so haven't bought this utility 
for a while. But I seem to recall that, since I last purchased, they 
changed their license from a one-time purchase to requiring an upgrade 
with every FM upgrade. So you might want to check that out and consider 
it before any purchase.


Mike Wickham

On 12/13/2023 6:17 PM, acr...@shaw.ca wrote:

Is there a way to print Character, Paragraph and Table tag properties
directly from a Frame file?

As a lone writer, I never have time to create a decent style guide, but in
the Spring I'm going to have access to a student from a local tech comm
program and I want them to at least start documenting tags for a style
guide.

If there's a way to export these details, even if the output isn't pretty,
that would be great.

  


Alison

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Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties

[Mike Wickham]

There is a utility that I like a lot for this. Squidds.de makes a 
Finalyser plugin that contains a whole bunch of utilities.. One is 
Format List. It prints out what you want and, unlike the Silicon Prairie 
Software plugin, puts all the paragraph properties into a single table.  
This makes it much easier to scan down a column to find a style with an 
errant font, for example.


The problem is that the squidds.de site is a bear to operate for 
ordering. First, it's in German, so you have to turn on the English 
version, which isn't perfect. Then you have to find the Finalyser 
product. Then you have to find the price list for it, which is the only 
place that displays options to buy individual utilities (on the second 
page). $299 Euros for Format List. Not cheap, considering that it used 
to $99.


Mike Wickham

On 12/13/2023 6:17 PM, acr...@shaw.ca wrote:

Is there a way to print Character, Paragraph and Table tag properties
directly from a Frame file?

As a lone writer, I never have time to create a decent style guide, but in
the Spring I'm going to have access to a student from a local tech comm
program and I want them to at least start documenting tags for a style
guide.

If there's a way to export these details, even if the output isn't pretty,
that would be great.

  


Alison

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Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties

[Dennis Hays]

   SiliconPrairieSoftware has Paragraph Tools and Character Tools which
   produces separate files listing the styles.
   Dennis

   --
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   On Thursday, Dec 14, 2023 at 8:58 AM, Thomas Bain
   <[1]tom.b...@icloud.com> wrote:
   Alison - Others may have a better solution, but, if you save a Frame
   file as
   a .mif, the definitions are within. For example, here's part of a
   paragraph
   tag definition:
   
   
   
   
   ...
   
   
   
   
   
   
   ...
   > # end of PgfFont
   ...
   
   
   
   > # end of TabStop
   ...
   > # end of Pgf
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   From: Framers
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   Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 19:17
   To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
   Subject: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties
   Is there a way to print Character, Paragraph and Table tag properties
   directly from a Frame file?
   As a lone writer, I never have time to create a decent style guide, but
   in
   the Spring I'm going to have access to a student from a local tech comm
   program and I want them to at least start documenting tags for a style
   guide.
   If there's a way to export these details, even if the output isn't
   pretty,
   that would be great.
   Alison
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Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties

[Thomas Bain]

Alison - Others may have a better solution, but, if you save a Frame file as
a .mif, the definitions are within. For example, here's part of a paragraph
tag definition:


  
  
  
...
  
   
   
   
   
   
   ...
  > # end of PgfFont
...
  
   
   
  > # end of TabStop
  ...
 > # end of Pgf

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
Behalf Of acr...@shaw.ca
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 19:17
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties

Is there a way to print Character, Paragraph and Table tag properties
directly from a Frame file?

As a lone writer, I never have time to create a decent style guide, but in
the Spring I'm going to have access to a student from a local tech comm
program and I want them to at least start documenting tags for a style
guide.

If there's a way to export these details, even if the output isn't pretty,
that would be great.

 

Alison 

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Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to a word document"

[Julie A. Sigrist]

I agree with Alison. I also use a FRAME > PDF > WORD option so personnel can 
edit the docs. They prefer to use something other than the comment capabilities 
of Acrobat. Usually, the conversion is relatively good, but I find many issues 
when scientific/mathematical symbols are used. It can get quite ugly.

Your client has yet to deal with long documents like this in Word. "Drink 
heavily and then run away" also sounds like a good option.

Julie Sigrist
513-607-1444
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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 6:55 PM
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to a word 
document"

I've been using the FRAME > PDF > WORD option a lot lately (50-150 page docs) 
so the engineers can do their editing and commenting in the Word doc.

But I always preface my explanation to them with the caveat... "this creates an 
incredibly ugly Word file".

If you do the test run on 20 pages or so (pick complex pages) and do a truly 
honest quote, I can't imagine why the client would want to continue.

But " drink heavily and then run away" is a really good option as well. :-)

Alison


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From: Framers 
mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=shaw...@lists.frameusers.com>>
 On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: December 13, 2023 7:51 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to a word 
document"

Thanks everyone for all the responses. Despite the "death knell" tone, I was 
99.9% sure that that was going to be the case. Sigh. I need to reach out to my 
client and set the expectations and let them decide how badly they want to go 
down the rabbit hole - and it won't be cheap. I am still sticking with my 
original solution which is to drink heavily and then run away.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com 
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com>
>  On Behalf
> Of Dennis Hays
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 5:29 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to
> a word document"
>
>
> That may be useful for single files, but what about a book file
> containing multiple .fm files?
> Dennis
>
> --
> Dennis Hays
> Quantum Mechanic
> +1 518.779.2322
>
> On Tuesday, Dec 12, 2023 at 4:33 PM, B. Smalbro 
> <[1]stu...@smalbro.dk>
> wrote:
> I would suggest saving the fm document to pdf. And then export the pdf
> to WordIt is important to use the Save As feature from FM rather than
> print. Gives a pdf where text flows are kept.Best regards
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