RE: Indexing a book of books?

[Harding, Daniel B]

That did the trick, thanks!

Dan Harding
Technical Editorial Specialist
University of Illinois Tax School
339 Mumford Hall
1301 West Gregory Drive
Urbana, IL 61801
217-333-0935

From: Nakshatra Bhardwaj [mailto:nbhar...@adobe.com]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 5:13 AM
To: Harding, Daniel B; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Indexing a book of books?

Dan,

One thing that I feel you might be doing wrong is-
  I've gone in and edited the $volnum variable in each of the individual 
.fm files and made them A, B, and C.

Instead of editing the individual fm files in the book, you should try 
modifying the numbering scheme for the child book (.book) components in the 
master book itself. (For the book components in the master book, right-click 
your child book and set volume numbering for each child book-A, B and C 
sequentially or set the first one to A and set the others to 'Continue 
numbering from previous file in book'). This should get you the desired master 
index.
By design, numbering variables in hierarchical books are meant to be pushed 
from top to bottom(master book to child books). So the variables from the 
master book override and percolate down to the child books in the hierarchical 
book workflows.

Regards,
Nakshatra
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Sent: 20 January 2012 21:15
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Subject: RE: Indexing a book of books?


Thanks. I had read that thread, but that doesn't tell me what I'm doing wrong 
with my variables, why I'm not getting the prefix on a per-volume basis in the 
master index.

I don't know if the method I'm attempting is wrong, the variable 
placement/reference is incorrect, or something else.

Anyone?

From: Baruch Brodersen 
[mailto:bar...@technitext.com]mailto:[mailto:bar...@technitext.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:00 PM
To: Harding, Daniel B
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Indexing a book of books?

This thread may be of use:
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2011-September/024037.html

Best,
Baruch

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Harding, Daniel B 
dhard...@illinois.edumailto:dhard...@illinois.edu wrote:
For the first time I'm needing to have books within a book and I'm having a 
bit of a logical disconnect. What we ultimately want is 3 separate books with a 
single index that spans all 3 voumes.

We want to differentiate the volumes in the master index such that all entries 
from the first volume are preceded by A-, the second by B-, and C- for 
the third.

I've set up a .book for each volume, containing the chapters for each sub-book. 
Then I've created a master .book file that has in it the three .book files, 
along with a generated index file at that master book level.

I've set the page numbering for all files to Read from file.

I've gone in and edited the $volnum variable in each of the individual .fm 
files and made them A, B, and C. Then on the reference page of the master index 
file, I edited the IndexIX entry to read $autorange$volnum-$pagenum 
assuming that it would pull the volume number of the .fm file being read.

Apparently this isn't the way to go about it, as it's not working. I just get 
1-xx for all page numbers.

Thanks in advance.

-Dan

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Indexing a book of books?

[Harding, Daniel B]

That did the trick, thanks!

Dan Harding
Technical Editorial Specialist
University of Illinois Tax School
339 Mumford Hall
1301 West Gregory Drive
Urbana, IL 61801
217-333-0935

From: Nakshatra Bhardwaj [mailto:nbhar...@adobe.com]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 5:13 AM
To: Harding, Daniel B; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Indexing a book of books?

Dan,

One thing that I feel you might be doing wrong is-
  "I've gone in and edited the <$volnum> variable in each of the individual 
.fm files and made them A, B, and C."

Instead of editing the individual fm files in the book, you should try 
modifying the numbering scheme for the child book (.book) components in the 
master book itself. (For the book components in the master book, right-click 
your child book and set volume numbering for each child book-A, B and C 
sequentially or set the first one to A and set the others to 'Continue 
numbering from previous file in book'). This should get you the desired master 
index.
By design, numbering variables in hierarchical books are meant to be pushed 
from top to bottom(master book to child books). So the variables from the 
master book override and percolate down to the child books in the hierarchical 
book workflows.

Regards,
Nakshatra
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lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com]<mailto:[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]> On 
Behalf Of Harding, Daniel B
Sent: 20 January 2012 21:15
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Indexing a book of books?


Thanks. I had read that thread, but that doesn't tell me what I'm doing wrong 
with my variables, why I'm not getting the prefix on a per-volume basis in the 
master index.

I don't know if the method I'm attempting is wrong, the variable 
placement/reference is incorrect, or something else.

Anyone?

From: Baruch Brodersen [mailto:baruch at 
technitext.com]<mailto:[mailto:bar...@technitext.com]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:00 PM
To: Harding, Daniel B
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: Indexing a book of books?

This thread may be of use:
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2011-September/024037.html

Best,
Baruch

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Harding, Daniel B mailto:dharding at illinois.edu>> wrote:
For the first time I'm needing to have "books within a book" and I'm having a 
bit of a logical disconnect. What we ultimately want is 3 separate books with a 
single index that spans all 3 voumes.

We want to differentiate the volumes in the master index such that all entries 
from the first volume are preceded by "A-", the second by "B-", and "C-" for 
the third.

I've set up a .book for each volume, containing the chapters for each sub-book. 
Then I've created a master .book file that has in it the three .book files, 
along with a generated index file at that master book level.

I've set the page numbering for all files to "Read from file".

I've gone in and edited the <$volnum> variable in each of the individual .fm 
files and made them A, B, and C. Then on the reference page of the master index 
file, I edited the IndexIX entry to read <$autorange><$volnum>-<$pagenum> 
assuming that it would pull the volume number of the .fm file being read.

Apparently this isn't the way to go about it, as it's not working. I just get 
1-xx for all page numbers.

Thanks in advance.

-Dan

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RE: Indexing a book of books?

[Harding, Daniel B]

Thanks. I had read that thread, but that doesn't tell me what I'm doing wrong 
with my variables, why I'm not getting the prefix on a per-volume basis in the 
master index.

I don't know if the method I'm attempting is wrong, the variable 
placement/reference is incorrect, or something else.

Anyone?

From: Baruch Brodersen [mailto:bar...@technitext.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:00 PM
To: Harding, Daniel B
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Indexing a book of books?

This thread may be of use:
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2011-September/024037.html

Best,
Baruch

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Harding, Daniel B 
dhard...@illinois.edumailto:dhard...@illinois.edu wrote:
For the first time I'm needing to have books within a book and I'm having a 
bit of a logical disconnect. What we ultimately want is 3 separate books with a 
single index that spans all 3 voumes.

We want to differentiate the volumes in the master index such that all entries 
from the first volume are preceded by A-, the second by B-, and C- for 
the third.

I've set up a .book for each volume, containing the chapters for each sub-book. 
Then I've created a master .book file that has in it the three .book files, 
along with a generated index file at that master book level.

I've set the page numbering for all files to Read from file.

I've gone in and edited the $volnum variable in each of the individual .fm 
files and made them A, B, and C. Then on the reference page of the master index 
file, I edited the IndexIX entry to read $autorange$volnum-$pagenum 
assuming that it would pull the volume number of the .fm file being read.

Apparently this isn't the way to go about it, as it's not working. I just get 
1-xx for all page numbers.

Thanks in advance.

-Dan

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Indexing a book of books?

[Harding, Daniel B]

Thanks. I had read that thread, but that doesn't tell me what I'm doing wrong 
with my variables, why I'm not getting the prefix on a per-volume basis in the 
master index.

I don't know if the method I'm attempting is wrong, the variable 
placement/reference is incorrect, or something else.

Anyone?

From: Baruch Brodersen [mailto:bar...@technitext.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:00 PM
To: Harding, Daniel B
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Indexing a book of books?

This thread may be of use:
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2011-September/024037.html

Best,
Baruch

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Harding, Daniel B mailto:dharding at illinois.edu>> wrote:
For the first time I'm needing to have "books within a book" and I'm having a 
bit of a logical disconnect. What we ultimately want is 3 separate books with a 
single index that spans all 3 voumes.

We want to differentiate the volumes in the master index such that all entries 
from the first volume are preceded by "A-", the second by "B-", and "C-" for 
the third.

I've set up a .book for each volume, containing the chapters for each sub-book. 
Then I've created a master .book file that has in it the three .book files, 
along with a generated index file at that master book level.

I've set the page numbering for all files to "Read from file".

I've gone in and edited the <$volnum> variable in each of the individual .fm 
files and made them A, B, and C. Then on the reference page of the master index 
file, I edited the IndexIX entry to read <$autorange><$volnum>-<$pagenum> 
assuming that it would pull the volume number of the .fm file being read.

Apparently this isn't the way to go about it, as it's not working. I just get 
1-xx for all page numbers.

Thanks in advance.

-Dan

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Indexing a book of books?

[Harding, Daniel B]

For the first time I'm needing to have books within a book and I'm having a 
bit of a logical disconnect. What we ultimately want is 3 separate books with a 
single index that spans all 3 voumes.

We want to differentiate the volumes in the master index such that all entries 
from the first volume are preceded by A-, the second by B-, and C- for 
the third.

I've set up a .book for each volume, containing the chapters for each sub-book. 
Then I've created a master .book file that has in it the three .book files, 
along with a generated index file at that master book level.

I've set the page numbering for all files to Read from file.

I've gone in and edited the $volnum variable in each of the individual .fm 
files and made them A, B, and C. Then on the reference page of the master index 
file, I edited the IndexIX entry to read $autorange$volnum-$pagenum 
assuming that it would pull the volume number of the .fm file being read.

Apparently this isn't the way to go about it, as it's not working. I just get 
1-xx for all page numbers.

Thanks in advance.

-Dan
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Indexing a book of books?

[Harding, Daniel B]

For the first time I'm needing to have "books within a book" and I'm having a 
bit of a logical disconnect. What we ultimately want is 3 separate books with a 
single index that spans all 3 voumes.

We want to differentiate the volumes in the master index such that all entries 
from the first volume are preceded by "A-", the second by "B-", and "C-" for 
the third.

I've set up a .book for each volume, containing the chapters for each sub-book. 
Then I've created a master .book file that has in it the three .book files, 
along with a generated index file at that master book level.

I've set the page numbering for all files to "Read from file".

I've gone in and edited the <$volnum> variable in each of the individual .fm 
files and made them A, B, and C. Then on the reference page of the master index 
file, I edited the IndexIX entry to read <$autorange><$volnum>-<$pagenum> 
assuming that it would pull the volume number of the .fm file being read.

Apparently this isn't the way to go about it, as it's not working. I just get 
1-xx for all page numbers.

Thanks in advance.

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Stupid question #843: Importing a SINGLE paragraph style from another FM file?

[Harding, Daniel B]

FM10 (Win7 64-bit)

I'm lost on this one: I want to import/copy a single paragraph style definition 
from one FM file to another. Just that one style, no others, and no content.

How do I do this?

Thanks,

-Dan

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Stupid question #843: Importing a SINGLE paragraph style from another FM file?

[Harding, Daniel B]

FM10 (Win7 64-bit)

I'm lost on this one: I want to import/copy a single paragraph style definition 
from one FM file to another. Just that one style, no others, and no content.

How do I do this?

Thanks,

-Dan

Any way to disable hover bubbles?

[Harding, Daniel B]

Framemaker 10, Windows 7 64-bit.

Is there any way to disable those annoying hover bubbles that appear any time 
your mouse crosses a control or input field? They obscure what is underneath 
them, and worse, depending on what you're doing or what the bubbles are 
displayed over, they won't go away for several seconds even after the mouse is 
moved.

Frame needs to stop helping me to death... it's becoming more and more a 
Microsoft product with every passing day...

Dan Harding
Technical Editorial Specialist
University of Illinois Tax School
339 Mumford Hall
1301 West Gregory Drive
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Any way to disable hover bubbles?

[Harding, Daniel B]

Framemaker 10, Windows 7 64-bit.

Is there any way to disable those annoying hover bubbles that appear any time 
your mouse crosses a control or input field? They obscure what is underneath 
them, and worse, depending on what you're doing or what the bubbles are 
displayed over, they won't go away for several seconds even after the mouse is 
moved.

Frame needs to stop helping me to death... it's becoming more and more a 
Microsoft product with every passing day...

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RE: FrameMaker 10 Interface/Accessibility questions

[Harding, Daniel B]

Yves' suggestion is more useful to my needs that Wim's, since it can be done 
with a quick keypress rather than having to touch that obscene rodent thingie, 
although both will take you to the page where the cursor currently resides... 
if it is in text.

I'm not really referring to moving from somewhere else in the document to the 
page where the cursor is though. It's more of an issue of being able to spot a 
thin sliver of a black cursor in black text, that is blinking very slowly, 
within a huge amount of screen real estate.

The issue I have with both of the above solutions is that they require an 
action on my part. I want to be able to configure the color, size, and blink 
rate of the cursor, so I can tell at a glance where it is, not fumble around to 
find where it is or have to put the cursor somewhere just to know where it is.

Dan Harding
Technical Editorial Specialist
University of Illinois Tax School
339 Mumford Hall
1301 West Gregory Drive
Urbana, IL 61801
217-333-0935

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:23 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 10 Interface/Accessibility questions

On 12 Jul 2011 at 20:15, Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp wrote:

 Did you know that FrameMaker 10 has a command (button) to go to the 
 cursor
 location: it's right next to the zoom buttons, bottom of the screen.

On 13 Jul 2011 at 8:10, Yves Barbion wrote:

 C'mon now, Adobe, I'm wondering what the use of this Go to Insertion 
 Point button is. Just press your left or right arrow key and hold 
 down the SHIFT key while you're doing this, and you'll see your 
 insertion point very clearly.

Friends, the pont is: can I instantly spot the cursor location on a large 
screen to assure that my paste operation hits the right target? visual feedback 
is the basic requirement in a user interface (and not the design satisying only 
black-clothed people).

Nowadays so much more mousing is required than in the good old FM  9 days, 
because many Windows features (e.g. title area of app window) are just ignored 
by the new interface. 
Focus is lost every now and then (e.g. after zooming), need to click into the 
doc window... Some very basic things hamper the otherwise not so bad new 
interface.

Let's stop the rant now - it does not solve a single issue.
~~
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consultancy; On-line and paper
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FrameMaker 10 Interface/Accessibility questions

[Harding, Daniel B]

Yves' suggestion is more useful to my needs that Wim's, since it can be done 
with a quick keypress rather than having to touch that obscene rodent thingie, 
although both will take you to the page where the cursor currently resides... 
if it is in text.

I'm not really referring to moving from somewhere else in the document to the 
page where the cursor is though. It's more of an issue of being able to spot a 
thin sliver of a black cursor in black text, that is blinking very slowly, 
within a huge amount of screen real estate.

The issue I have with both of the above solutions is that they require an 
action on my part. I want to be able to configure the color, size, and blink 
rate of the cursor, so I can tell at a glance where it is, not fumble around to 
find where it is or have to put the cursor somewhere just to know where it is.

Dan Harding
Technical Editorial Specialist
University of Illinois Tax School
339 Mumford Hall
1301 West Gregory Drive
Urbana, IL 61801
217-333-0935

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:23 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 10 Interface/Accessibility questions

On 12 Jul 2011 at 20:15, Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp wrote:

> Did you know that FrameMaker 10 has a command (button) to go to the 
> cursor
> location: it's right next to the zoom buttons, bottom of the screen.

On 13 Jul 2011 at 8:10, Yves Barbion wrote:

> C'mon now, Adobe, I'm wondering what the use of this "Go to Insertion 
> Point "button is. Just press your left or right arrow key and hold 
> down the SHIFT key while you're doing this, and you'll see your 
> insertion point very clearly.

Friends, the pont is: can I instantly spot the cursor location on a large 
screen to assure that my paste operation hits the right target? visual feedback 
is the basic requirement in a user interface (and not the design satisying only 
black-clothed people).

Nowadays so much more mousing is required than in the good old FM < 9 days, 
because many Windows features (e.g. title area of app window) are just ignored 
by the new interface. 
Focus is lost every now and then (e.g. after zooming), need to click into the 
doc window... Some very basic things hamper the otherwise not so bad new 
interface.

Let's stop the rant now - it does not solve a single issue.
~~
Docu + Design Daube; Sch?racher 11; CH-8053 Z?rich Technical documentation & 
consultancy; On-line and paper
F: +41-44-422 86 25  E: ddd at daube.ch  W: www.daube.ch

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[Harding, Daniel B]

I suspect I'm out of luck on these, but it doesn't hurt to ask:

FrameMaker 10.0.1.1402
Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit


1.   When I am reconciling index entries, I keep all the individual book 
files open in separate undocked windows, which keeps them from opening in the 
primary workspace as I edit a zillion index markers. With 10-20 windows open, 
it becomes difficult to know which window is the currently active chapter 
(sometimes I need to open that window a bit larger to check context of a 
marker) because there is ZERO color difference between active and inactive 
windows. I have not found any way to make the active file window stand out from 
all the others. This appears to be a Framemaker issue rather than Windows, as 
all Aero effects are disabled on windows generated within FrameMaker


2.   I need the i-frame text position indicator (cursor) within the 
document (not the hovering cursor that moves as you move your mouse) to be more 
prominent on the screen. I frequently lose track of where I am, and have to 
either hit up and down arrows to see where the text indicator is moving. 
Ideally there would be a way to set the color, thickness, and blink frequency 
for it, for no other reason than aiding accessibility.

Thanks in advance.

Dan Harding
Technical Editorial Specialist
University of Illinois Tax School
339 Mumford Hall
1301 West Gregory Drive
Urbana, IL 61801
217-333-0935

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FrameMaker 10 Interface/Accessibility questions

[Harding, Daniel B]

I suspect I'm out of luck on these, but it doesn't hurt to ask:

FrameMaker 10.0.1.1402
Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit


1.   When I am reconciling index entries, I keep all the individual book 
files open in separate undocked windows, which keeps them from opening in the 
primary workspace as I edit a zillion index markers. With 10-20 windows open, 
it becomes difficult to know which window is the currently active chapter 
(sometimes I need to open that window a bit larger to check context of a 
marker) because there is ZERO color difference between active and inactive 
windows. I have not found any way to make the active file window stand out from 
all the others. This appears to be a Framemaker issue rather than Windows, as 
all Aero effects are disabled on windows generated within FrameMaker


2.   I need the i-frame text position indicator (cursor) within the 
document (not the hovering cursor that moves as you move your mouse) to be more 
prominent on the screen. I frequently lose track of where I am, and have to 
either hit up and down arrows to see where the text indicator is moving. 
Ideally there would be a way to set the color, thickness, and blink frequency 
for it, for no other reason than aiding accessibility.

Thanks in advance.

Dan Harding
Technical Editorial Specialist
University of Illinois Tax School
339 Mumford Hall
1301 West Gregory Drive
Urbana, IL 61801
217-333-0935

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