RE: Quark versus FrameMaker

[Holwell, Pat]

As noted, Quark is really a designing application and not really meant for 
writing documentation. We tried using it in my organization, but found that it 
couldn't handle large manuals very well  it crashed everytime we tried to 
generate a TOC  Index, 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Creamer
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:06 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Quark versus FrameMaker

 I have a client who has just been acquired. They want me to rebrand their
 technical documentation (currently in Word) to comply with their new brand. I
 suggested FrameMaker, but they are pushing Quark. I alway thought of Quark as
 more appropriate for designers that do brochures, etc.
 
 Has anyone used Quark for technical documentation? I would appreciate any
 advice/feedback on using this tool to create technical documentation. I guess
 what I am really looking for is information to sell them on FrameMaker over
 Quark.
 
This was a questions I answered recently for Layers Magazine--it concerns
InDesign and FrameMaker, but I will discuss QuarkXPress at the end:

Q: I¹m trying to decide between InDesign and FrameMaker for producing my
books. Any advice?
A: Both programs are very good for producing books, but generally, InDesign
is better graphically, while FrameMaker is better in some specialized (but
important) areas. For example, Frame has conditional text (hide/show text),
multiple indices, more advanced XML support, track changes*,
cross-referencing**, document compare, built-in equation editor**,
cross-column headlines, and table footnotes. InDesign excels in the graphics
area, including native Illustrator and Photoshop import with full
transparency support, built-in transparency and Photoshop-like effects, the
standard Adobe pen tool, color management, multi-media support, and better
PDF export. Features that are more-or-less equal include table styles,
variables, numbered lists, anchored graphics, and overall text formatting. I
should also mention that InDesign is cross-platform, while FrameMaker not
available on the Mac.

*Available in InDesign using InCopy
**Available in InDesign as third-party plug-in

Comparing QuarkXPress to InDesign...
Quark's tables are very limited, it does not do numbered lists or footnotes
natively, it's text formatting/editing is not as capable, and it does not
have variables (or any of the above mentioned Frame features).

This comparison is not meant to be complete. Feel free to contact me if you
have any other questions about the three programs.

David Creamer
I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training
http://www.IDEAStraining.com
Adobe Certified Trainer  Expert in FrameMaker and InDesign
Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988)


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Quark versus FrameMaker

[Holwell, Pat]

As noted, Quark is really a designing application and not really meant for 
writing documentation. We tried using it in my organization, but found that it 
couldn't handle large manuals very well & it crashed everytime we tried to 
generate a TOC & Index, 

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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Creamer
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:06 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Quark versus FrameMaker

> I have a client who has just been acquired. They want me to rebrand their
> technical documentation (currently in Word) to comply with their new brand. I
> suggested FrameMaker, but they are pushing Quark. I alway thought of Quark as
> more appropriate for designers that do brochures, etc.
> 
> Has anyone used Quark for technical documentation? I would appreciate any
> advice/feedback on using this tool to create technical documentation. I guess
> what I am really looking for is information to sell them on FrameMaker over
> Quark.
> 
This was a questions I answered recently for Layers Magazine--it concerns
InDesign and FrameMaker, but I will discuss QuarkXPress at the end:

Q: I?m trying to decide between InDesign and FrameMaker for producing my
books. Any advice?
A: Both programs are very good for producing books, but generally, InDesign
is better graphically, while FrameMaker is better in some specialized (but
important) areas. For example, Frame has conditional text (hide/show text),
multiple indices, more advanced XML support, track changes*,
cross-referencing**, document compare, built-in equation editor**,
cross-column headlines, and table footnotes. InDesign excels in the graphics
area, including native Illustrator and Photoshop import with full
transparency support, built-in transparency and Photoshop-like effects, the
standard Adobe pen tool, color management, multi-media support, and better
PDF export. Features that are more-or-less equal include table styles,
variables, numbered lists, anchored graphics, and overall text formatting. I
should also mention that InDesign is cross-platform, while FrameMaker not
available on the Mac.

*Available in InDesign using InCopy
**Available in InDesign as third-party plug-in

Comparing QuarkXPress to InDesign...
Quark's tables are very limited, it does not do numbered lists or footnotes
natively, it's text formatting/editing is not as capable, and it does not
have variables (or any of the above mentioned Frame features).

This comparison is not meant to be complete. Feel free to contact me if you
have any other questions about the three programs.

David Creamer
I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training
http://www.IDEAStraining.com
Adobe Certified Trainer & Expert in FrameMaker and InDesign
Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988)


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Training

[Holwell, Pat]

I took RoboHelp training at Digitrain in Addison. It's a certified Adobe
training center & wasn't extremely impressed, but thought they did
pretty well. I trained at their site, but they also conduct training at
your location. 

I took my FrameMaker training from a certified Adobe trainer and thought
she did an excellent job, but I don't have her name & number handy. If
you'd like for me to locate the info, please contact me off-list & I'll
see what I can do.

Thanks!

Pat

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From: framers-bounces+pat.holwell=idearc@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+pat.holwell=idearc.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of David Creamer
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:59 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Training

> I am in the market for introductory and advance Framemaker training
> for about 10 students.  I am looking for recommendations for training
> providers that can come to my facility in the Dallas, Texas area to
> deliver the training.  Any suggestions?
> 
> Mike Derryberry

I suggest looking at the Adobe site for regional trainers, however your
choice in training companies should not be dictated by proximity alone.


Of course, we do on-site training around the country.
(We are based in San Diego, CA.)
If interested, please contact me for additional information.

David Creamer
I.D.E.A.S.
http://www.IDEAStraining.com
Results-Oriented Training & Consulting for Print & Web since 1990
Over 27 years Publishing, 13 years Web, and 9 years Video experience
Contributing Editor for Layers Magazine
Adobe Certified Trainer and Expert (since 1995)
Adobe Certified Creative Suite CS2 Master
[InDesign, Photoshop, Illustrator, Acrobat, GoLive]
Adobe Certified Print & Web Specialist
Adobe Certified for FrameMaker, InCopy, PageMaker, & Premiere
(FrameMaker certified since 1992)
Authorized Quark Training Consultant (since 1988)
 QuarkXPress Certified Expert - Print & Web: ver.6&7
Authorized Markzware FlightCheck Trainer
Enfocus Certified Trainer (PitStop Pro/Server, Instant PDF)
Authorized Microsoft Publisher Service Provider
Authorized FileMaker Trainer
Apple Consultants Network member (since 1990)
Apple Certified Help Desk Specialist
Southern CA, Arizona, and at your location



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Need to Change the Company Name on the Master Pages of LOTS of Manuals

[Holwell, Pat]

Effective next Monday, 11/20, our company will have a new name. As a
result, we need to change the name on the Master Pages of MANY pages of
MANY manuals. The footers on the Master Pages are set up follows:

Created Date:   Manual Name

Revised Date:   XXX (Co. Name) Restricted   Page #


We don't want to change anything except the company name and if we apply
our current template, the dates would change. There's probably a simple
method for making this change, but my mind's a blank & I've not been
able to come up with anything. Thanks in advance for any help you might
be able to give!

Pat Holwell
972/453-3018