Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019

[techwordsmith]

Well, you are right. I now have FrameMaker 16 (2020), Adobe tech support
gave me the link, but I have no idea if it is actually released or if I have
a beta. Nobody said anything.

The vendor was told to use FrameMaker 2019 and made a mistake and sent 2020
files. I don't know if they are part of a beta or not. I was expecting 2019
files, which I can open, so didn't ask for MIF.

This opens more questions than those I originally asked  Anyone in the
know, feel free to chime in.

Cheers,

Sean



-Original Message-
From: Framers 
On Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 1:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019

Are you saying that the translator used an as-yet unreleased version?
Possibly an NDA violation?

Is the secret download location a pre-release repository?

Shouldn't the translator return a client's project in the same release it
was submitted, or in MIF, to maintain compatibility?

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 12:28 PM  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I was using FM 2019 sporadically. I received files back from a 
> translator in a version of FM I could not open. Notpad showed it was 
> FM 16, which I found was 2020.
>
>
>
> I was never notified by Adobe about the new version, any upgrade, 
> etc., despite being subscribed. That was a bit annoying.
>
>
>
> Anyway, after a lengthy but successful support call, I was shown a 
> secret URL where I could get this new version of FrameMaker, 
> downloaded it, and installed it.
>
>
>
> The icon looks the same as FM 2019. The new version self-identifies as 
> version 16, not 2020. I don't see any obvious changes off the bat. 
> Anyone have any idea what the new changes to FM 2020 are, other than 
> 2019 cannot open 2020 files?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Sean
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[Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019

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Hi all,

 

I was using FM 2019 sporadically. I received files back from a translator in
a version of FM I could not open. Notpad showed it was FM 16, which I found
was 2020.

 

I was never notified by Adobe about the new version, any upgrade, etc.,
despite being subscribed. That was a bit annoying.

 

Anyway, after a lengthy but successful support call, I was shown a secret
URL where I could get this new version of FrameMaker, downloaded it, and
installed it.

 

The icon looks the same as FM 2019. The new version self-identifies as
version 16, not 2020. I don't see any obvious changes off the bat. Anyone
have any idea what the new changes to FM 2020 are, other than 2019 cannot
open 2020 files?

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

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Re: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.

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Round-tripping is just a bad plan.

Cheers,

Sean

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Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.

...

Thinking about the alternate routes through Affinity Publisher and InDesign
moved me to try this web search query: "affinity publisher compatibility
with other application file formats"

Some interesting results abide there. Marxware has some conversion tools, as
well as links to some Affinity tutorials, and a light review of an early
Affinity Publisher release's ability to use InDesign's .IDML file
interchange format (conceptual relative of FM's MIF.) The Marxware products
seem to be Mac-only. There's an inexpensive annual subscription price and a
reasonable standalone license. There's even a free InDesign file viewer.

The real issues are in the details of which FM features and output formats
your documentation relies upon, and whether you need "round-trip"
conversion from FM to another application and back that doesn't introduce
artifacts that need attention which costs more in time and effort to fix,
than sticking with FM and paying the rental fee.
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Re: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.

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Acrobat 11 Pro here.

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Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.

I still use Adobe Acrobat Standard 8 on my current computer, which is
running 64-bit Windows 10.
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Re: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.

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I recall when hardware was way more expensive than software. No longer. Also, 
the subscription model is like leasing a car, and does not work for me. I went 
back from Photoshop and Illustrator to CorelDRAW! Because of this. It looks 
like I am phasing out my irregular use of FrameMaker, too, though not by 
choice, but by external circumstances. I remember the FM 6 paranoia, but, 
honestly, how much longer can this product persist?

Cheers,

Sean

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Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 3:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.

He was referring to the recent two-revs-back upgrade price: essentially a full 
new license.



I am old school perhaps, but I _absolutely_ do not like subscription license 
models for software. The phrase "death by a thousand cuts" comes to mind. 

I never used FrameMaker _all_ the time. I suppose, with a subscription model, 
if I had stopped using it for a while, then I _could_, in theory (if I paid 
monthly) stop the service till I restarted.

However, for me, the inability to open FM files to even _look_ at them (if I 
did not have a current subscription active), would be a poor situation.

In the "way-back-when" past, FM had an upgrade cost that worked for me - every 
few years, a $199 to $249 to $279 to $299 price was not too bad, and I kept up 
with that (although, as Robert Lauriston once noted, I did not _have_ to 
upgrade).

However, that upgraded pricing increased to $399 (I think) ... _and_ if you 
were two revs old, the cost became a new license purchase! And, that is 
unacceptable - to me, it was a thinly-veiled ploy to force people to switch to 
a subscription.

The latest "subscription ONLY model" is the last nail in that coffin, as far as 
I am concerned.

Anyway, I will stay at Fm12 ... till it stops working in the future. For short 
edits (under a day or two), I tend to use it to change old docs. For longer 
edits, I first convert to LaTeX ... just takes a day or two longer.

Z

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Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.

Ummm, how does $29.95/month or $359.88/year (with the generous 0% prepayment 
discount...) translate into "a grand (or whatever)" for a FrameMaker 
subscription? Sure, that's pretty steep if you're only working on a single 
contract, but it's less than half the single-license purchase price in the 
pre-subscription days.

-FR
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Re: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.

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Thanks for the update, Bodvar. I am on FM 15, using it little, likely jumping 
ship soon. I feel old. I remember when FM was cutting edge. No longer. Cheers!

Sean

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Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 3:44 PM
To: framers 
Subject: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.

Hello all you great people!

Sorry for the (Adobe) rant.

Due to my laptop's old age I found myself needing a new pc, a desktop this 
time. All is well with everything but Adobe FM. I recently tried to install my 
FM12 which I had lost any info about, and got a categorical No Go from Adobe 
Support (contradiction in terms).

However I managed to install my FM 10, legally bought with CD and all (for two 
computers but only one using it at a time) and got it set up and working OK. 
Only, when I tried to use it again, I got a message that it needs activation 
with Adobe. I ended up contacting Adobe online support who finally sent me an 
update and everything went well—for the time being.

Now, some 10-15 days later I started FM10, only to find that it wanted 
activation with Adobe and I had 15 days until it would not be working at all. 
At first it said, no Internet. Then it said I was connected and I tried and I 
got the message that I had no internet connection and would have to try again 
(and some other variation and try again.

The recommended webpage is of little or no help.

So finally I contacted Adobe online support. It took them approx. 90 minutes to 
figure it out. The product was too old for their databases. I gave the guy 
access to my PC and he started digging. Finally I had to uninstall and 
reinstall the FM upon which he sent me some kind of update (license key, 
probably) which he didn't manage to obey, and the same all over again. Then I 
remembered the update (TCS3) which he installed and then the other update and 
all went well. He told me he had given it a new license key (serial number) 
registered to my name. I hope for the best! And I really recommend those guys 
on the Adobe online support.

But I think I am permanently giving up on Adobe. Nowadays they seem only to 
want your money. And a lot of it. Working now on probably my last FM project.

Going for Affinity from now on, which seems fabulous software.

That's all for now.

Kind regards,
Bodvar
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Re: [Framers] can someone take the reins?

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Hey,What's going on? Framers has always been brilliant.Cheers,Sean
 Original message From: Böðvar Björgvinsson  
Date: 6/27/21  5:48 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe 
FrameMaker software."  Subject: Re: [Framers] can 
someone take the reins? Hi y'all!I am long retired and only use FM for some 
minor jobs from time to time.This list — I have no words to express how much it 
has meant to me and howprofessionally so many Framers come to the help of other 
Framers — forfree. The list has solved so many problems for me and I only hope 
that Imay have contributed just a bit to help others.In the late 90ies I 
learned Linux with a guy (John White) and there I cameinto the community of 
people that looked at helping others with theirlearning was as natural as 
drinking water.This list is in the same category. The only difference is that 
we aredealing with expensive software. In cases like that you often don't get 
anyhelp for free.So my most sincere thanks to Carol and Rick and all the others 
that havebeen the administrators of this list and all the others that have 
offeredtheir valuable help. I only hope that someone will release them 
andcontinue maintaining the list. I am also thankful for all the acquaintancesI 
have made through this list and the courses and conferences I was sofortunate 
to be able to attend. Some of them have become my Facebookfriends I hold 
dear.Best wishes to everyone,Bodvar BjorgvinssonReykjavik, Iceland.sun., 27. 
jún. 2021 kl. 21:04 skrifaði :> I'm with Mike; thanks so 
much for making this list possible! I haven't> used Frame for a few years and I 
know this would be an invaluable resource> should I ever get back to Frame.> 
Thank you!Best,Louise> Louise Kaufman1502 Meadowbrook Drive> Mason City, IA 
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Re: [Framers] Adobe Flash Player EOL - How can I still embed video in FM documents saved as PDFs?

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Camtasia on Windows used to be able to produce flash video as mp4, but not on 
the Mac. Sean
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 Subject: Re: [Framers] Adobe Flash Player EOL - 
How can I still embed video in FM documents saved as PDFs? If Flash still runs 
on your machine, can it export the videos to a morecommon embeddable format?If 
it can't export, perhaps you can run the videos in Flash on your machineand 
record them with another tool. Yeah, lots of work, but probably easierthan 
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outputs> to mp4 format. I think Techsmith's Camtasia is a more full-fledged 
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potentially means that all of the digital> > editions of our manuals that 
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

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I have to stay within  a couple of versions of the latest release to 
accommodate my tranlation vendors,  who struggle to find older versions of 
software. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: "Carol J. Elkins" 
 Date: 1/15/20  6:26 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 Ditto what 
Mike said. The ONLY reason I'm still sticking with Frame12 is because I have no 
need for structured documents and there haven't been enough non-structure 
improvements since FM12 to justify the cost of upgrading. Yes, some 
would-be-nice-to-haves, but nothing worth the price. The strength of FM is that 
I can still make it jump through serious advanced-level hoops despite its age. 
It just may take a bit longer. Same thing applies to me, too.CarolAt 04:29 PM 
1/15/2020, Mike Wickham wrote:>New versions of FrameMaker always seem to 
concentrate on adding >features for the structured community. I get it. That's 
the strenght >of the program. But the new features I'd like to see involve 
>handling of graphics and type. For example, it would be nice to be >able to 
make a graphic float in the middle of a two-column page, and >have both columns 
wrap around it. Or how about taking advantage of >the various OpenType features 
that InDesign can handle with ease, >but Frame is clueless about-- like easy, 
true small caps, or >oldstyle numerals? Or optical margins and hanging indents, 
for a >more modern, refined look in printed docs? Or a separate offset >setting 
for numerators and denominators? Right now, you can set >superscript and 
subscript offsets to work for either >super/subscripts or 
numerators/denominators, but not 
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Re: [Framers] Batch Word Conversion

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I had a system, oooh, I dunno, about 15 years ago. My client had Word templates 
that I locked down. They really were pushed to use a finite set of word styles. 
These had corresponding FM styles. It worked well. Well, as well as such things 
can. But, not using Normal was contractually agreed on, as well as 
reinforced.Generally, I plan tume to do the following if a one-time 
Word-to-Frame conversion is needed: paste plain text into FM from Word and 
reimport graphics, then apply styles in FM.SeanSent from my Verizon, Samsung 
Galaxy smartphone
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 Subject: Re: [Framers] Batch Word Conversion 
Therein lies the problem. For the past bazillion years, every single Word 
document received from my clients has been reliably tagged 100% Normal. Then 
starts a tiresome and tedious paragraph-by-paragraph conversion. I've tried 
giving them Word templates that I could easily map to FM, but their documents 
are drafted by committee and none of the 100+ committee members wants to use a 
Word template.CarolAt 03:18 PM 12/4/2019, Jeff C wrote:>This only really works 
if the Word docs are consistently 
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Re: [Framers] Question About Revision History.

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Build it into the part number?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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History. Somewhat off topic, what does everyone think about not having a 
revision history in user manuals. My company has decided they do not want this 
in any customer facing docs. Thank you for your replies. RickRichard 
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Re: [Framers] Frame 2019 Version: 15.0.4.751...current?

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I don't have a product updates button. But, that is the latest version of 
Frame.Sean
 Original message From: Lise Bible  
Date: 11/1/19  1:07 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com Framers" 
 Subject: [Framers] Frame 2019 Version: 
15.0.4.751...current? Framers,This feels like a dumb question, but I haven't 
been able to find an answerelsewhere. I have installed Frame 2019 on a new hard 
drive. If I chooseHelp>Updates from my menu, it runs the updater and says my 
app is up todate. And if I choose Help>About, I see it listed as Version: 
15.0.4.751.And yet, there is a product updates button on the welcome screen, 
and itlooks like there are 4 updates for Frame 
2019.https://supportdownloads.adobe.com/product.jsp?product=22=WindowsDo
 I trust the updater? Is 15.0.4.751 the latest version?(I had previously used 
Frame 8, and those updates were a more manualprocess, hence my 
confusion.)Thanks,Lise-- *Save the earth.* It's the only planet with 
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