Re: [Framers] OT: Stopping Adobe's auto install of Reader DC

2017-03-01 Thread Frank Stearns 

On Wed, 1 Mar 2017, Craig, Alison wrote:


How do you *re*install Reader 11?


This link should get you to a dropdown list of install options, 
including Reader 11. Don't be alarmed, the first pane says "Reader 
DC" but until they get around to breaking this, 11 is an option on the 
#3 dropdown list as you step through the selection process. (I spot- 
checked on various Windows and Mac OS listings, using English as the 
language.)


http://get.adobe.com/reader/otherversions

Remove DC first, then install 11. This install works quickly and 
easily (imagine that). The irritation, though, is that I've lost all 
the little config tweaks done to 11 prior to the previous DC 
hijacking, not to mention the history stack.


I despise the Acrobat "DC" programs and have adamantly refused to 
upgrade Acrobat Pro 11 to the "DC" version at work - although I seem 
to be stuck with it at home.


I'm really tired of companies reworking their programs so they're 
"new and improved" - are you listening Adobe and Microsoft?


Yes, it's rare that such reworks are an improvement. It does happen, 
but not often.


Generally that means they *look* cool (or what some dork thinks is 
cool) but they're actually massive steps backward in productivity as 
they keep driving us back to the mouse and away from shortcut keys.


Amen. And it often goes deeper than that, subtle little things where 
that same "dork" is clueless about use. One of the ongoing irritations 
with windows is that substring matches no longer fully work in file 
name searches. Why on earth would they break that? Sigh.


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Re: [Framers] OT: Stopping Adobe's auto install of Reader DC

2017-03-01 Thread Peter Gold 
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Craig, Alison 
wrote:

> As for shortcut keys, I love them as well. But every time a program is
> redesigned, the shortcut keys seem to change - or even worse, *some* keys
> change - so you have to learn them all over again.


​That's why I recently noted InDesign's Quick Apply (QA) feature on this
list in response to the mention of a new FM menu command feature that I
can't see because I'm not using recent FM releases. QA brings up a
keystroke-aware menu from which users can invoke almost every menu item,
option, script, named paragraph and character format, and more. It would be
great if Adobe would put this technology into all products. Back in the old
days (like around the time that Frank was probably working on IXgen
prototypes ) I remember learning Lotus 123's menus and options by
reciting aloud the keystroke that were the initials of the layers of the
menu sequences needed to get down to the intended command. QA is the same
kind of learning - the name of the thing itself, period.
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Re: [Framers] OT: Stopping Adobe's auto install of Reader DC

2017-03-01 Thread Craig, Alison 
I can see Reader being used a lot on mobile devices, not so much with 
Acrobat/Acrobat Pro.

As for shortcut keys, I love them as well. But every time a program is 
redesigned, the shortcut keys seem to change - or even worse, *some* keys 
change - so you have to learn them all over again.

Alison

From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 10:20 AM
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'; 'Frank Stearns'
Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Stopping Adobe's auto install of Reader DC

I think part of the issue is the tablet/mobile where the keyboard is going
away. I *love* shortcut keys and use them all the time. WAY more productive.
I put them into training, demo videos, etc.

It's not just Adobe/Microsoft either. Far too many companies are doing this
at the expense of the desktop. They need to consider the audience. I'd love
to know how many people use Adobe tools on a tablet vs a device that has a
keyboard.

Bernard



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On Behalf Of Craig, Alison
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 1:10 PM
To: Frank Stearns; An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Stopping Adobe's auto install of Reader DC

How do you *re*install Reader 11?

I despise the Acrobat "DC" programs and have adamantly refused to upgrade
Acrobat Pro 11 to the "DC" version at work - although I seem to be stuck
with it at home.

I'm really tired of companies reworking their programs so they're "new and
improved" - are you listening Adobe and Microsoft?

Generally that means they *look* cool (or what some dork thinks is cool) but
they're actually massive steps backward in productivity as they keep driving
us back to the mouse and away from shortcut keys.


Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Specialist
BK Ultrasound | 
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From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Frank Stearns
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 9:18 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: [Framers] OT: Stopping Adobe's auto install of Reader DC

This is getting insane. Four times now, behind my back, Adobe has "upgraded"
Reader 11 to DC. NO updating controls than I can find are set to auto.
They're either set to "ask before updating" or disabled.

I keep removing DC and reinstalling 11 (you'd think Adobe would get the
message), but like a bad horror movie, the DC monster keeps coming back.

Am I missing an update control somewhere? (Win7 Pro, SP1)

I recall seeing some apps designed to block Adobe from doing this, but it
seems ludicrous to have to do that (and who knows what's lurking in those
apps).

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
*** IXGEN 7-10 for FrameMaker 10-15 HERE! ***
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Re: [Framers] OT: Stopping Adobe's auto install of Reader DC

2017-03-01 Thread Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter) 
I think part of the issue is the tablet/mobile where the keyboard is going
away. I *love* shortcut keys and use them all the time. WAY more productive.
I put them into training, demo videos, etc.

It's not just Adobe/Microsoft either. Far too many companies are doing this
at the expense of the desktop. They need to consider the audience. I'd love
to know how many people use Adobe tools on a tablet vs a device that has a
keyboard.

Bernard



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From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Craig, Alison
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 1:10 PM
To: Frank Stearns; An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Stopping Adobe's auto install of Reader DC

How do you *re*install Reader 11?

I despise the Acrobat "DC" programs and have adamantly refused to upgrade
Acrobat Pro 11 to the "DC" version at work - although I seem to be stuck
with it at home.

I'm really tired of companies reworking their programs so they're "new and
improved" - are you listening Adobe and Microsoft?

Generally that means they *look* cool (or what some dork thinks is cool) but
they're actually massive steps backward in productivity as they keep driving
us back to the mouse and away from shortcut keys.


Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Specialist
BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com<mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com> |
bkultrasound.com



From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Frank Stearns
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 9:18 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: [Framers] OT: Stopping Adobe's auto install of Reader DC

This is getting insane. Four times now, behind my back, Adobe has "upgraded"
Reader 11 to DC. NO updating controls than I can find are set to auto.
They're either set to "ask before updating" or disabled.

I keep removing DC and reinstalling 11 (you'd think Adobe would get the
message), but like a bad horror movie, the DC monster keeps coming back.

Am I missing an update control somewhere? (Win7 Pro, SP1)

I recall seeing some apps designed to block Adobe from doing this, but it
seems ludicrous to have to do that (and who knows what's lurking in those
apps).

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
*** IXGEN 7-10 for FrameMaker 10-15 HERE! ***
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Re: [Framers] OT: Stopping Adobe's auto install of Reader DC

2017-03-01 Thread Craig, Alison 
How do you *re*install Reader 11?

I despise the Acrobat "DC" programs and have adamantly refused to upgrade 
Acrobat Pro 11 to the "DC" version at work - although I seem to be stuck with 
it at home.

I'm really tired of companies reworking their programs so they're "new and 
improved" - are you listening Adobe and Microsoft?

Generally that means they *look* cool (or what some dork thinks is cool) but 
they're actually massive steps backward in productivity as they keep driving us 
back to the mouse and away from shortcut keys.


Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Specialist
BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com<mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com> | 
bkultrasound.com



From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Frank Stearns
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 9:18 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: [Framers] OT: Stopping Adobe's auto install of Reader DC

This is getting insane. Four times now, behind my back, Adobe has
"upgraded" Reader 11 to DC. NO updating controls than I can find are
set to auto. They're either set to "ask before updating" or disabled.

I keep removing DC and reinstalling 11 (you'd think Adobe would get
the message), but like a bad horror movie, the DC monster keeps coming
back.

Am I missing an update control somewhere? (Win7 Pro, SP1)

I recall seeing some apps designed to block Adobe from doing this, but
it seems ludicrous to have to do that (and who knows what's lurking
in those apps).

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
*** IXGEN 7-10 for FrameMaker 10-15 HERE! ***
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[Framers] OT: Stopping Adobe's auto install of Reader DC

2017-03-01 Thread Frank Stearns 
This is getting insane. Four times now, behind my back, Adobe has 
"upgraded" Reader 11 to DC. NO updating controls than I can find are 
set to auto. They're either set to "ask before updating" or disabled.


I keep removing DC and reinstalling 11 (you'd think Adobe would get 
the message), but like a bad horror movie, the DC monster keeps coming 
back.


Am I missing an update control somewhere? (Win7 Pro, SP1)

I recall seeing some apps designed to block Adobe from doing this, but 
it seems ludicrous to have to do that (and who knows what's lurking 
in those apps).


Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
*** IXGEN 7-10 for FrameMaker 10-15 HERE! ***
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