Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility?
Thank you everyone for all the responses. I am much less concerned now about the switch. Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.Pardon the typos! Original message From: Ian Proudfoot Date: 1/9/18 11:13 AM (GMT-07:00) To: "'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'" Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? Tammy, I've found Win10 to be the most reliable and trouble-free version of Windows. I currently use it for all development work and that includes FrameMaker 10, 11, 12 2015 and 2017. So far no probe to report. Functionality seems perfect with everything doing what it should. When I have to update an older project to run on a new OS or version of FrameMaker, I make sure I have a reference set of PDF files and source documents. After upgrading a set of templates or structured applications, I compare the latest PDFs with the original reference PDF set using Acrobat to get a visual report. The last time I found any difference was due to a change of FDK client behaviour between FM9 and FM2015... Ian -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+ian.proudfoot=itp-x.co...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of tammyvb Sent: 09 January 2018 14:20 To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? Ok Stefan, These aren't trivial issues obviously and don't make me feel secure in my decision at all. I have had 3 responses saying that running Windows 10 w/ older versions of Framemaker had not been an issue. Does anyone else on this list have experience either way? Thank you. Tammy Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.Pardon the typos! Original message From: Stefan Gentz Date: 1/9/18 6:51 AM (GMT-07:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? Hi Tammy, > however, as only FM2015 is explicitly called out as being compatible with Win > 10, I am > understandingly a bit hesitant, but I probably won't have a choice. There are many people running older versions of FrameMaker on Windows 10. Adobe introduced "official" support for Windows 10 in FrameMaker 2015, Update 1. However, this only means, that Adobe has certified FM 2015, Update 1, for Windows 10. Older versions are not certified for Windows 10, and therefore there is no official support for running older versions on Windows 10. Please note, that there are certain changes in Windows 10, that have or can have an impact on FrameMaker depending on the use case. Areas where Windows has an impact on FrameMaker can be e.g. installation, rights management related issues, fonts, font rendering, and printing. Regards, Stefan Gentz Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 21:01 To: bern...@publishingsmarter.com; 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? Hi All, Thank you for the responses. Yes, from my extensive googling and pounding through the forums, it does seem that FM 10 and 12 both run just fine on Windows 10. And based on the statement that I pulled from HowToGeek, that would make sense; however, as only FM2015 is explicitly called out as being compatible with Win 10, I am understandingly a bit hesitant, but I probably won't have a choice. Carrier pigeon anyone? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com 303-840-1755 -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Aschwanden Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 12:52 PM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? FM 10 and 12 run on my Windows 10 system with no issues. Not sure about Acrobat as I avoid it when I can other than to convert files to PDF or to read them. That works fine, but I don't know about other functions in there. Bernard -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 2:41 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? All, I might be forced to upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7 Ultimate. (The reasons are not important.) I have FM 10, FM 12 and Adobe Acrobat Pro XI currently installed. Here is a comment that I found on HowToGeek's website: ***
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility?
Tammy, I've found Win10 to be the most reliable and trouble-free version of Windows. I currently use it for all development work and that includes FrameMaker 10, 11, 12 2015 and 2017. So far no probe to report. Functionality seems perfect with everything doing what it should. When I have to update an older project to run on a new OS or version of FrameMaker, I make sure I have a reference set of PDF files and source documents. After upgrading a set of templates or structured applications, I compare the latest PDFs with the original reference PDF set using Acrobat to get a visual report. The last time I found any difference was due to a change of FDK client behaviour between FM9 and FM2015... Ian -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+ian.proudfoot=itp-x.co...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of tammyvb Sent: 09 January 2018 14:20 To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? Ok Stefan, These aren't trivial issues obviously and don't make me feel secure in my decision at all. I have had 3 responses saying that running Windows 10 w/ older versions of Framemaker had not been an issue. Does anyone else on this list have experience either way? Thank you. Tammy Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.Pardon the typos! Original message From: Stefan Gentz Date: 1/9/18 6:51 AM (GMT-07:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? Hi Tammy, > however, as only FM2015 is explicitly called out as being compatible with Win > 10, I am > understandingly a bit hesitant, but I probably won't have a choice. There are many people running older versions of FrameMaker on Windows 10. Adobe introduced "official" support for Windows 10 in FrameMaker 2015, Update 1. However, this only means, that Adobe has certified FM 2015, Update 1, for Windows 10. Older versions are not certified for Windows 10, and therefore there is no official support for running older versions on Windows 10. Please note, that there are certain changes in Windows 10, that have or can have an impact on FrameMaker depending on the use case. Areas where Windows has an impact on FrameMaker can be e.g. installation, rights management related issues, fonts, font rendering, and printing. Regards, Stefan Gentz Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 21:01 To: bern...@publishingsmarter.com; 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? Hi All, Thank you for the responses. Yes, from my extensive googling and pounding through the forums, it does seem that FM 10 and 12 both run just fine on Windows 10. And based on the statement that I pulled from HowToGeek, that would make sense; however, as only FM2015 is explicitly called out as being compatible with Win 10, I am understandingly a bit hesitant, but I probably won't have a choice. Carrier pigeon anyone? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com 303-840-1755 -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Aschwanden Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 12:52 PM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? FM 10 and 12 run on my Windows 10 system with no issues. Not sure about Acrobat as I avoid it when I can other than to convert files to PDF or to read them. That works fine, but I don't know about other functions in there. Bernard -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 2:41 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? All, I might be forced to upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7 Ultimate. (The reasons are not important.) I have FM 10, FM 12 and Adobe Acrobat Pro XI currently installed. Here is a comment that I found on HowToGeek's website: * Microsoft's Windows 10 seems like a big change. The version number alone is a big leap from Windows 7, and most of the default apps are new-style "universal apps," not traditional desktop apps. But, if you depend on traditional Windows desktop applications, you shouldn't worry. Don'
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility?
Thank you! Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.Pardon the typos! Original message From: David Creamer Date: 1/9/18 8:10 AM (GMT-07:00) To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? I usually just keep the latest version installed, but periodically need to install an older version for online training. I have not had any major problems with older versions that I can remember. Windows 10, generally, is not a big deal, once you get over the start menu changes. Even that is not a major difference, really. The biggest issue I've had with older versions of Frame is using a uHD (ultra high res) monitor. The 2017 version finally works properly with my 4K monitor (there was a hack with 2015, but it was not always reliable). For older software, I keep a couple of 1080 monitors attached too. David Creamer IDEAS Training http://www.ideastraining.com Adobe Authorized Instructor & Certified Expert since 1995 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility?
Thank you! Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.Pardon the typos! Original message From: Ken Poshedly Date: 1/9/18 8:46 AM (GMT-07:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? Been using FM10 at home Windows 10 with no problems for pert near a year or longer (so far). Still also using Adobe Acrobat Pro (an older one, I forgot which). -- Ken in Atlanta From: Tammy Van Boening To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 2:41 PM Subject: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? All, I might be forced to upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7 Ultimate. (The reasons are not important.) I have FM 10, FM 12 and Adobe Acrobat Pro XI currently installed. Here is a comment that I found on HowToGeek's website: * Microsoft's Windows 10 seems like a big change. The version number alone is a big leap from Windows 7, and most of the default apps are new-style "universal apps," not traditional desktop apps. But, if you depend on traditional Windows desktop applications, you shouldn't worry. Don't let Windows 10's new look fool you - if an application ran on Windows 7, it should also run on Windows 10. * But, is this true? Will FM 10 and 12 and Adobe Acrobat XI run on Windows 10? (64-bit system). Have any of you had experience (good/bad/indifferent) running these programs on Windows 10? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com 303-840-1755 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility?
FWIW, there are free shell utilities that will emulate a Win 7 Start menu and what not. Jack DeLand 734 972 3026 > On Jan 9, 2018, at 10:10 AM, David Creamer > wrote: > > I usually just keep the latest version installed, but periodically need to > install an older version for online training. I have not had any major > problems with older versions that I can remember. > > Windows 10, generally, is not a big deal, once you get over the start menu > changes. Even that is not a major difference, really. > > The biggest issue I've had with older versions of Frame is using a uHD > (ultra high res) monitor. The 2017 version finally works properly with my 4K > monitor (there was a hack with 2015, but it was not always reliable). For > older software, I keep a couple of 1080 monitors attached too. > > David Creamer > IDEAS Training > http://www.ideastraining.com > > Adobe Authorized Instructor & Certified Expert since 1995 > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility?
Been using FM10 at home Windows 10 with no problems for pert near a year or longer (so far). Still also using Adobe Acrobat Pro (an older one, I forgot which). -- Ken in Atlanta From: Tammy Van Boening To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 2:41 PM Subject: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? All, I might be forced to upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7 Ultimate. (The reasons are not important.) I have FM 10, FM 12 and Adobe Acrobat Pro XI currently installed. Here is a comment that I found on HowToGeek's website: * Microsoft's Windows 10 seems like a big change. The version number alone is a big leap from Windows 7, and most of the default apps are new-style "universal apps," not traditional desktop apps. But, if you depend on traditional Windows desktop applications, you shouldn't worry. Don't let Windows 10's new look fool you - if an application ran on Windows 7, it should also run on Windows 10. * But, is this true? Will FM 10 and 12 and Adobe Acrobat XI run on Windows 10? (64-bit system). Have any of you had experience (good/bad/indifferent) running these programs on Windows 10? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com 303-840-1755 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility?
I usually just keep the latest version installed, but periodically need to install an older version for online training. I have not had any major problems with older versions that I can remember. Windows 10, generally, is not a big deal, once you get over the start menu changes. Even that is not a major difference, really. The biggest issue I've had with older versions of Frame is using a uHD (ultra high res) monitor. The 2017 version finally works properly with my 4K monitor (there was a hack with 2015, but it was not always reliable). For older software, I keep a couple of 1080 monitors attached too. David Creamer IDEAS Training http://www.ideastraining.com Adobe Authorized Instructor & Certified Expert since 1995 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility?
Hi Tammy, I guess you don't need too e too afraid of these issues. When you do a system upgrade, especially when it's a bigger jump, the best practice is usually to do a test on a separate instance. Generally speaking, this is just best practice in IT. Like most people, you will probably not face any issues. However, I remember a support cases, where updating Windows from 7/8 to 10 had an impact on their documents. As far as I remember, those issues were related to a change in Windows in the "Uniscribe Unicode Script Processor" which had an impact on how their OpenType fonts were rendered (having a small impact on line breaks in the documents). Also it had an impact on PDF generation, (in Win 8 fonts in PDF were wrong, in Win 10 they were correct). Regards, Stefan Gentz Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist Connect with us: Facebook | Twitter | LinkedIn | YouTube | Our Blog | Adobe TCS User Forum -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of tammyvb Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 15:20 To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? Ok Stefan, These aren't trivial issues obviously and don't make me feel secure in my decision at all. I have had 3 responses saying that running Windows 10 w/ older versions of Framemaker had not been an issue. Does anyone else on this list have experience either way? Thank you. Tammy Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.Pardon the typos! Original message From: Stefan Gentz Date: 1/9/18 6:51 AM (GMT-07:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? Hi Tammy, > however, as only FM2015 is explicitly called out as being compatible with Win > 10, I am > understandingly a bit hesitant, but I probably won't have a choice. There are many people running older versions of FrameMaker on Windows 10. Adobe introduced "official" support for Windows 10 in FrameMaker 2015, Update 1. However, this only means, that Adobe has certified FM 2015, Update 1, for Windows 10. Older versions are not certified for Windows 10, and therefore there is no official support for running older versions on Windows 10. Please note, that there are certain changes in Windows 10, that have or can have an impact on FrameMaker depending on the use case. Areas where Windows has an impact on FrameMaker can be e.g. installation, rights management related issues, fonts, font rendering, and printing. Regards, Stefan Gentz Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 21:01 To: bern...@publishingsmarter.com; 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? Hi All, Thank you for the responses. Yes, from my extensive googling and pounding through the forums, it does seem that FM 10 and 12 both run just fine on Windows 10. And based on the statement that I pulled from HowToGeek, that would make sense; however, as only FM2015 is explicitly called out as being compatible with Win 10, I am understandingly a bit hesitant, but I probably won't have a choice. Carrier pigeon anyone? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com 303-840-1755 -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Aschwanden Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 12:52 PM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? FM 10 and 12 run on my Windows 10 system with no issues. Not sure about Acrobat as I avoid it when I can other than to convert files to PDF or to read them. That works fine, but I don't know about other functions in there. Bernard -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 2:41 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? All, I might be forced to upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7 Ultimate. (The reasons are not important.) I have FM 10, FM 12 and Adobe Acrobat Pro XI currently installed. Here is a comment that I found on HowToGeek's website: * Microsoft's Windows 10 seems like a big change. The version number alone is a
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility?
I had some issues installing TCS4 on a new Win10 laptop, but managed to get it working. It sounds like you aren't getting a brand new machine, just an update "in place" so I suspect you'll be fine. From: Framers on behalf of tammyvb Sent: January 9, 2018 9:20 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? Ok Stefan, These aren't trivial issues obviously and don't make me feel secure in my decision at all. I have had 3 responses saying that running Windows 10 w/ older versions of Framemaker had not been an issue. Does anyone else on this list have experience either way? Thank you. Tammy Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.Pardon the typos! Original message From: Stefan Gentz Date: 1/9/18 6:51 AM (GMT-07:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? Hi Tammy, > however, as only FM2015 is explicitly called out as being compatible with Win > 10, I am > understandingly a bit hesitant, but I probably won't have a choice. There are many people running older versions of FrameMaker on Windows 10. Adobe introduced "official" support for Windows 10 in FrameMaker 2015, Update 1. However, this only means, that Adobe has certified FM 2015, Update 1, for Windows 10. Older versions are not certified for Windows 10, and therefore there is no official support for running older versions on Windows 10. Please note, that there are certain changes in Windows 10, that have or can have an impact on FrameMaker depending on the use case. Areas where Windows has an impact on FrameMaker can be e.g. installation, rights management related issues, fonts, font rendering, and printing. Regards, Stefan Gentz Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 21:01 To: bern...@publishingsmarter.com; 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? Hi All, Thank you for the responses. Yes, from my extensive googling and pounding through the forums, it does seem that FM 10 and 12 both run just fine on Windows 10. And based on the statement that I pulled from HowToGeek, that would make sense; however, as only FM2015 is explicitly called out as being compatible with Win 10, I am understandingly a bit hesitant, but I probably won't have a choice. Carrier pigeon anyone? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com 303-840-1755 -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Aschwanden Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 12:52 PM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? FM 10 and 12 run on my Windows 10 system with no issues. Not sure about Acrobat as I avoid it when I can other than to convert files to PDF or to read them. That works fine, but I don't know about other functions in there. Bernard -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 2:41 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? All, I might be forced to upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7 Ultimate. (The reasons are not important.) I have FM 10, FM 12 and Adobe Acrobat Pro XI currently installed. Here is a comment that I found on HowToGeek's website: * Microsoft's Windows 10 seems like a big change. The version number alone is a big leap from Windows 7, and most of the default apps are new-style "universal apps," not traditional desktop apps. But, if you depend on traditional Windows desktop applications, you shouldn't worry. Don't let Windows 10's new look fool you - if an application ran on Windows 7, it should also run on Windows 10. * But, is this true? Will FM 10 and 12 and Adobe Acrobat XI run on Windows 10? (64-bit system). Have any of you had experience (good/bad/indifferent) running these programs on Windows 10? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwri
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility?
Ok Stefan, These aren't trivial issues obviously and don't make me feel secure in my decision at all. I have had 3 responses saying that running Windows 10 w/ older versions of Framemaker had not been an issue. Does anyone else on this list have experience either way? Thank you. Tammy Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.Pardon the typos! Original message From: Stefan Gentz Date: 1/9/18 6:51 AM (GMT-07:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? Hi Tammy, > however, as only FM2015 is explicitly called out as being compatible with Win > 10, I am > understandingly a bit hesitant, but I probably won't have a choice. There are many people running older versions of FrameMaker on Windows 10. Adobe introduced "official" support for Windows 10 in FrameMaker 2015, Update 1. However, this only means, that Adobe has certified FM 2015, Update 1, for Windows 10. Older versions are not certified for Windows 10, and therefore there is no official support for running older versions on Windows 10. Please note, that there are certain changes in Windows 10, that have or can have an impact on FrameMaker depending on the use case. Areas where Windows has an impact on FrameMaker can be e.g. installation, rights management related issues, fonts, font rendering, and printing. Regards, Stefan Gentz Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 21:01 To: bern...@publishingsmarter.com; 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? Hi All, Thank you for the responses. Yes, from my extensive googling and pounding through the forums, it does seem that FM 10 and 12 both run just fine on Windows 10. And based on the statement that I pulled from HowToGeek, that would make sense; however, as only FM2015 is explicitly called out as being compatible with Win 10, I am understandingly a bit hesitant, but I probably won't have a choice. Carrier pigeon anyone? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com 303-840-1755 -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Aschwanden Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 12:52 PM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? FM 10 and 12 run on my Windows 10 system with no issues. Not sure about Acrobat as I avoid it when I can other than to convert files to PDF or to read them. That works fine, but I don't know about other functions in there. Bernard -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 2:41 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? All, I might be forced to upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7 Ultimate. (The reasons are not important.) I have FM 10, FM 12 and Adobe Acrobat Pro XI currently installed. Here is a comment that I found on HowToGeek's website: * Microsoft's Windows 10 seems like a big change. The version number alone is a big leap from Windows 7, and most of the default apps are new-style "universal apps," not traditional desktop apps. But, if you depend on traditional Windows desktop applications, you shouldn't worry. Don't let Windows 10's new look fool you - if an application ran on Windows 7, it should also run on Windows 10. * But, is this true? Will FM 10 and 12 and Adobe Acrobat XI run on Windows 10? (64-bit system). Have any of you had experience (good/bad/indifferent) running these programs on Windows 10? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com 303-840-1755 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frameusers.com&data=02%7C01%7Cgentz%40adobe.com%7C9ffb6bf21a084196618808d556d296f4%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility?
BTW, one other major thing for Windows 10: I run on a Microsoft Surface Book with dual monitors. That alone is worth getting FM2017 as it allows dialogs (and the software) to correctly size on the displays I use. That means that when I move things from my 3000/2000 resolution tablet to a 1280 or 1024 or whatever resolution other monitor, they size "right". So I don't end up squinting at one and being bombarded by the size of the other. If you DO move to Windows 10, AND you go with the high resolution it (and computers that work with it) run, then explore 2017. Bernard -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Gentz Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:52 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? Hi Tammy, > however, as only FM2015 is explicitly called out as being compatible > with Win 10, I am understandingly a bit hesitant, but I probably won't have a choice. There are many people running older versions of FrameMaker on Windows 10. Adobe introduced "official" support for Windows 10 in FrameMaker 2015, Update 1. However, this only means, that Adobe has certified FM 2015, Update 1, for Windows 10. Older versions are not certified for Windows 10, and therefore there is no official support for running older versions on Windows 10. Please note, that there are certain changes in Windows 10, that have or can have an impact on FrameMaker depending on the use case. Areas where Windows has an impact on FrameMaker can be e.g. installation, rights management related issues, fonts, font rendering, and printing. Regards, Stefan Gentz Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 21:01 To: bern...@publishingsmarter.com; 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? Hi All, Thank you for the responses. Yes, from my extensive googling and pounding through the forums, it does seem that FM 10 and 12 both run just fine on Windows 10. And based on the statement that I pulled from HowToGeek, that would make sense; however, as only FM2015 is explicitly called out as being compatible with Win 10, I am understandingly a bit hesitant, but I probably won't have a choice. Carrier pigeon anyone? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com 303-840-1755 -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Aschwanden Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 12:52 PM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? FM 10 and 12 run on my Windows 10 system with no issues. Not sure about Acrobat as I avoid it when I can other than to convert files to PDF or to read them. That works fine, but I don't know about other functions in there. Bernard -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 2:41 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? All, I might be forced to upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7 Ultimate. (The reasons are not important.) I have FM 10, FM 12 and Adobe Acrobat Pro XI currently installed. Here is a comment that I found on HowToGeek's website: * Microsoft's Windows 10 seems like a big change. The version number alone is a big leap from Windows 7, and most of the default apps are new-style "universal apps," not traditional desktop apps. But, if you depend on traditional Windows desktop applications, you shouldn't worry. Don't let Windows 10's new look fool you - if an application ran on Windows 7, it should also run on Windows 10. * But, is this true? Will FM 10 and 12 and Adobe Acrobat XI run on Windows 10? (64-bit system). Have any of you had experience (good/bad/indifferent) running these programs on Windows 10? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com 303-840-1755 ___ This message is from the Framers
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility?
Hi Tammy, > however, as only FM2015 is explicitly called out as being compatible with Win > 10, I am > understandingly a bit hesitant, but I probably won't have a choice. There are many people running older versions of FrameMaker on Windows 10. Adobe introduced "official" support for Windows 10 in FrameMaker 2015, Update 1. However, this only means, that Adobe has certified FM 2015, Update 1, for Windows 10. Older versions are not certified for Windows 10, and therefore there is no official support for running older versions on Windows 10. Please note, that there are certain changes in Windows 10, that have or can have an impact on FrameMaker depending on the use case. Areas where Windows has an impact on FrameMaker can be e.g. installation, rights management related issues, fonts, font rendering, and printing. Regards, Stefan Gentz Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 21:01 To: bern...@publishingsmarter.com; 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? Hi All, Thank you for the responses. Yes, from my extensive googling and pounding through the forums, it does seem that FM 10 and 12 both run just fine on Windows 10. And based on the statement that I pulled from HowToGeek, that would make sense; however, as only FM2015 is explicitly called out as being compatible with Win 10, I am understandingly a bit hesitant, but I probably won't have a choice. Carrier pigeon anyone? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com 303-840-1755 -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Aschwanden Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 12:52 PM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? FM 10 and 12 run on my Windows 10 system with no issues. Not sure about Acrobat as I avoid it when I can other than to convert files to PDF or to read them. That works fine, but I don't know about other functions in there. Bernard -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 2:41 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? All, I might be forced to upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7 Ultimate. (The reasons are not important.) I have FM 10, FM 12 and Adobe Acrobat Pro XI currently installed. Here is a comment that I found on HowToGeek's website: * Microsoft's Windows 10 seems like a big change. The version number alone is a big leap from Windows 7, and most of the default apps are new-style "universal apps," not traditional desktop apps. But, if you depend on traditional Windows desktop applications, you shouldn't worry. Don't let Windows 10's new look fool you - if an application ran on Windows 7, it should also run on Windows 10. * But, is this true? Will FM 10 and 12 and Adobe Acrobat XI run on Windows 10? (64-bit system). Have any of you had experience (good/bad/indifferent) running these programs on Windows 10? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com 303-840-1755 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frameusers.com&data=02%7C01%7Cgentz%40adobe.com%7C9ffb6bf21a084196618808d556d296f4%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636510384844744661&sdata=kz00rIWLmlF21fwDfM1ouZ1c7JSB1687nweY7O9F%2B0M%3D&reserved=0 Archives located at https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fframers%2540lists.frameusers.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cgentz%40adobe.com%7C9ffb6bf21a084196618808d556d296f4%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636510384844900917&sdata=C%2FLiXIYR%2BAlpFwF1caKvdqRTPWqFK9fggSj9dP2EQWc%3D&reserved=0 Subscribe and unsubscribe at https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.frameusers.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Fframers-frameus
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility?
Hi All, Thank you for the responses. Yes, from my extensive googling and pounding through the forums, it does seem that FM 10 and 12 both run just fine on Windows 10. And based on the statement that I pulled from HowToGeek, that would make sense; however, as only FM2015 is explicitly called out as being compatible with Win 10, I am understandingly a bit hesitant, but I probably won't have a choice. Carrier pigeon anyone? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com 303-840-1755 -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Aschwanden Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 12:52 PM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? FM 10 and 12 run on my Windows 10 system with no issues. Not sure about Acrobat as I avoid it when I can other than to convert files to PDF or to read them. That works fine, but I don't know about other functions in there. Bernard -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 2:41 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? All, I might be forced to upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7 Ultimate. (The reasons are not important.) I have FM 10, FM 12 and Adobe Acrobat Pro XI currently installed. Here is a comment that I found on HowToGeek's website: * Microsoft's Windows 10 seems like a big change. The version number alone is a big leap from Windows 7, and most of the default apps are new-style "universal apps," not traditional desktop apps. But, if you depend on traditional Windows desktop applications, you shouldn't worry. Don't let Windows 10's new look fool you - if an application ran on Windows 7, it should also run on Windows 10. * But, is this true? Will FM 10 and 12 and Adobe Acrobat XI run on Windows 10? (64-bit system). Have any of you had experience (good/bad/indifferent) running these programs on Windows 10? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com 303-840-1755 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility?
FM 10 and 12 run on my Windows 10 system with no issues. Not sure about Acrobat as I avoid it when I can other than to convert files to PDF or to read them. That works fine, but I don't know about other functions in there. Bernard -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 2:41 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility? All, I might be forced to upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7 Ultimate. (The reasons are not important.) I have FM 10, FM 12 and Adobe Acrobat Pro XI currently installed. Here is a comment that I found on HowToGeek's website: * Microsoft's Windows 10 seems like a big change. The version number alone is a big leap from Windows 7, and most of the default apps are new-style "universal apps," not traditional desktop apps. But, if you depend on traditional Windows desktop applications, you shouldn't worry. Don't let Windows 10's new look fool you - if an application ran on Windows 7, it should also run on Windows 10. * But, is this true? Will FM 10 and 12 and Adobe Acrobat XI run on Windows 10? (64-bit system). Have any of you had experience (good/bad/indifferent) running these programs on Windows 10? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com 303-840-1755 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility?
Hi Tammy, I've been using Frame 2012 and 2015 on Windows 10 (64-bit) and Acrobat Pro for about 3 years with no issues that I remember as giving me nightmares. Best regards, Ant On 08 January 2018 at 19:41 Tammy Van Boening wrote: All, I might be forced to upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7 Ultimate. (The reasons are not important.) I have FM 10, FM 12 and Adobe Acrobat Pro XI currently installed. Here is a comment that I found on HowToGeek's website: * Microsoft's Windows 10 seems like a big change. The version number alone is a big leap from Windows 7, and most of the default apps are new-style "universal apps," not traditional desktop apps. But, if you depend on traditional Windows desktop applications, you shouldn't worry. Don't let Windows 10's new look fool you - if an application ran on Windows 7, it should also run on Windows 10. * But, is this true? Will FM 10 and 12 and Adobe Acrobat XI run on Windows 10? (64-bit system). Have any of you had experience (good/bad/indifferent) running these programs on Windows 10? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com 303-840-1755 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to [1]framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at [2]http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at [3]http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at [4]http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to [5]listad...@frameusers.com References 1. mailto:framers@lists.frameusers 2. http://www.frameusers.com/ 3. http://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/ 4. http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com 5. mailto:listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility?
All, I might be forced to upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7 Ultimate. (The reasons are not important.) I have FM 10, FM 12 and Adobe Acrobat Pro XI currently installed. Here is a comment that I found on HowToGeek's website: * Microsoft's Windows 10 seems like a big change. The version number alone is a big leap from Windows 7, and most of the default apps are new-style "universal apps," not traditional desktop apps. But, if you depend on traditional Windows desktop applications, you shouldn't worry. Don't let Windows 10's new look fool you - if an application ran on Windows 7, it should also run on Windows 10. * But, is this true? Will FM 10 and 12 and Adobe Acrobat XI run on Windows 10? (64-bit system). Have any of you had experience (good/bad/indifferent) running these programs on Windows 10? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com 303-840-1755 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
