Re: Anyone else looking at Frame WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-15 Thread Yves Barbion
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:57 PM, John Sgammato jsgamm...@imprivata.comwrote:

 That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, but I would need a
 Drupal version, not a WordPress version.
 Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book as 300 individual
 HTML procedures and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I would
 have my grail - all my official released procedures could get pumped into a
 Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned by our Support team!



Hi John

Hmmm, FrameMaker + HTML + Drupal... this sounds like a great opportunity for
using DITA. I wrote the first version of the content for our (Drupal)
website in DITA (using FrameMaker + DITA-FMx), and then just published the
ditamap as XHTML, using the DITA Open Toolkit. Each DITA topic corresponds
to a page on our website. The only missing link back then (2007) was between
Drupal and DITA: I had to copy/paste the HTML over in Drupal. Meanwhile,
some clever Drupal developers have also become interested in DITA, for
example Kristof Van Tomme of Pronovix. He has already developed some great
DITA+Drupal stuff:

http://www.pronovix.com/category/all/dita

Cheers


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RE: Anyone else looking at Frame WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-15 Thread John Sgammato
I have long thought that DITA was in my future, but it always seemed to be too 
risky for a lone writer with little time for RD work. 

It looks like the tools are arriving to enable me to do what I envision.

It’s good to be a part of a group with similar interests!

john

 

 

From: Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 2:25 AM
To: John Sgammato; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Anyone else looking at Frame  WordPress (as a CMS)

 

 

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:57 PM, John Sgammato jsgamm...@imprivata.com wrote:

That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, but I would need a Drupal 
version, not a WordPress version.
Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book as 300 individual HTML 
procedures and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I would have my 
grail - all my official released procedures could get pumped into a 
Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned by our Support team!

 


Hi John

Hmmm, FrameMaker + HTML + Drupal... this sounds like a great opportunity for 
using DITA. I wrote the first version of the content for our (Drupal) website 
in DITA (using FrameMaker + DITA-FMx), and then just published the ditamap as 
XHTML, using the DITA Open Toolkit. Each DITA topic corresponds to a page on 
our website. The only missing link back then (2007) was between Drupal and 
DITA: I had to copy/paste the HTML over in Drupal. Meanwhile, some clever 
Drupal developers have also become interested in DITA, for example Kristof Van 
Tomme of Pronovix. He has already developed some great DITA+Drupal stuff:

http://www.pronovix.com/category/all/dita

Cheers


-- 
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RE: Anyone else looking at Frame WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-15 Thread John Sgammato
Well that's certainly good news!
As you know, 2581 modules is quite a lot. Certainly too many to assess
individually, so that table helps a lot. 
I have used it, and tried a couple of the modules, most recently about
18 months ago, but I ran into trouble with finishing the job; I could
successfully import a hundred procedures or so, but at the time I could
not match the new db entries into useful nodes for Support (IIRC it
could only make one very limited content type). When I realized that I
would have to tag them all individually, I put it to the back burner
rather than work though the issues.
I guess there has been a lot of development in that time. I hope to get
back to it soon, unless...
 
Yves (and Jeremy) is right that DITA would be a natural way to go for
this project. And if I move the DITA project to the front burner, then
the Drupal side of the project will be even more advanced, or even
solved by the time I have DITA under control.

(Very sincere apologies to my good friend Art for hijacking his
WordPress thread!)
john
 

-Original Message-
From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:18 PM
To: FrameUsers List
Cc: John Sgammato
Subject: Re: Anyone else looking at Frame  WordPress (as a CMS)

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:13:36 -0500, Jeremy H. Griffith 
jer...@omsys.com wrote:

In fact, if you go to drupal.org and search for import HTML files, 
you get 279986 hits.  The module above is just the first one.  If you 
set the filter to Modules, you have only 2581 to look through...  
vbg

And if you want a nice set of tables showing the major choices and their
features, go to the Wiki page at:
  http://groups.drupal.org/node/21338

There are modules that go to/from WordPress, too, via CSV, and import
WordPress Extended RSS:
  http://drupal.org/project/wordpress_import

I love Drupal.  ;-)

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  jer...@omsys.com  http://www.omsys.com/
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Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-15 Thread Yves Barbion
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:57 PM, John Sgammato wrote:

> That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, but I would need a
> Drupal version, not a WordPress version.
> Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book as 300 individual
> HTML procedures and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I would
> have my grail - all my official released procedures could get pumped into a
> Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned by our Support team!
>
>
>
Hi John

Hmmm, FrameMaker + HTML + Drupal... this sounds like a great opportunity for
using DITA. I wrote the first version of the content for our (Drupal)
website in DITA (using FrameMaker + DITA-FMx), and then just published the
ditamap as XHTML, using the DITA Open Toolkit. Each DITA topic corresponds
to a page on our website. The only missing link back then (2007) was between
Drupal and DITA: I had to copy/paste the HTML over in Drupal. Meanwhile,
some clever Drupal developers have also become interested in DITA, for
example Kristof Van Tomme of Pronovix. He has already developed some great
DITA+Drupal stuff:

http://www.pronovix.com/category/all/dita

Cheers


-- 
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Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-15 Thread John Sgammato
I have long thought that DITA was in my future, but it always seemed to be too 
risky for a lone writer with little time for R work. 

It looks like the tools are arriving to enable me to do what I envision.

It?s good to be a part of a group with similar interests!

john





From: Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 2:25 AM
To: John Sgammato; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)





On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:57 PM, John Sgammato  
wrote:

That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, but I would need a Drupal 
version, not a WordPress version.
Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book as 300 individual HTML 
procedures and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I would have my 
grail - all my official released procedures could get pumped into a 
Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned by our Support team!




Hi John

Hmmm, FrameMaker + HTML + Drupal... this sounds like a great opportunity for 
using DITA. I wrote the first version of the content for our (Drupal) website 
in DITA (using FrameMaker + DITA-FMx), and then just published the ditamap as 
XHTML, using the DITA Open Toolkit. Each DITA topic corresponds to a page on 
our website. The only missing link back then (2007) was between Drupal and 
DITA: I had to copy/paste the HTML over in Drupal. Meanwhile, some clever 
Drupal developers have also become interested in DITA, for example Kristof Van 
Tomme of Pronovix. He has already developed some great DITA+Drupal stuff:

http://www.pronovix.com/category/all/dita

Cheers


-- 
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Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-15 Thread John Sgammato
Well that's certainly good news!
As you know, 2581 modules is quite a lot. Certainly too many to assess
individually, so that table helps a lot. 
I have used it, and tried a couple of the modules, most recently about
18 months ago, but I ran into trouble with finishing the job; I could
successfully import a hundred procedures or so, but at the time I could
not match the new db entries into useful nodes for Support (IIRC it
could only make one very limited content type). When I realized that I
would have to tag them all individually, I put it to the back burner
rather than work though the issues.
I guess there has been a lot of development in that time. I hope to get
back to it soon, unless...

Yves (and Jeremy) is right that DITA would be a natural way to go for
this project. And if I move the DITA project to the front burner, then
the Drupal side of the project will be even more advanced, or even
solved by the time I have DITA under control.

(Very sincere apologies to my good friend Art for hijacking his
WordPress thread!)
john


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From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:18 PM
To: FrameUsers List
Cc: John Sgammato
Subject: Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:13:36 -0500, "Jeremy H. Griffith" 
 wrote:

>In fact, if you go to drupal.org and search for "import HTML files", 
>you get 279986 hits.  The module above is just the first one.  If you 
>set the filter to "Modules", you have only 2581 to look through...  
>

And if you want a nice set of tables showing the major choices and their
features, go to the Wiki page at:
  http://groups.drupal.org/node/21338

There are modules that go to/from WordPress, too, via CSV, and import
WordPress Extended RSS:
  http://drupal.org/project/wordpress_import

I love Drupal.  ;-)

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/


Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-15 Thread Chris Despopoulos
Can somebody point toward the CSV format that Drupal and other WIKIs expect?? 
Is that actually documented somewhere?? Or am I just missing the point?

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Re: Anyone else looking at Frame WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-14 Thread Art Campbell
Just as an update -- this certainly seems to be possible; I'm doing
some testing.

The workflow seems to be (unstructured):

1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post
types and other bits and pieces on import.

It may be possible to streamline this if you can twiddle MIF2Go or a
script to do a post-processing step and generate a CSV, but I don't
know if that's possible. Yet.

And I suspect it'd be pretty easy to go from DITA or another structure
to CSV, but I haven't played with that at all.

Art Campbell
               art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
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On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com wrote:
 I know some people that are going from DITA into WP (and Drupal). Here's a
 link to a recent Silicon Valley DITA Interest Group meeting where they
 presented their work ..

   http://svdig.ditamap.com/posts/267

 They author documentation in DITA (potentially FM-authored) and publish into
 Wordpress. The resulting pages can be commented and searched in the WP
 environment. Future updates to the documentation and be uploaded into WP,
 replacing the previous versions, but maintaining the associated comments.

 Using WP as the CMS host implies (to me) that you're trying to round trip
 (store data in WP, download/checkout to FM for authoring, then upload back
 to WP) .. which in theory could work if HTML is your source format. You'd
 just need the code bits to do the checkin and checkout .. but it
 certainly could work.

 The WP-DITA-FM path that I've explored basically just requires a fairly
 simple PHP script that reads the WP database directly and writes out a file
 that is the entire database dump, but wraps up each page in DITA topics
 with titles and other markup properly DITA-ified. The resulting single DITA
 file can be opened in Frame which applies all of the proper formatting, then
 saved directly to a PDF.

 In theory something similar could be used to round-trip content, but since
 the standard internal markup in WP is HTML, you'd have to be sure to author
 the DITA content using a very limited set of the specification. The nice
 thing about using DITA as the intermediate markup is that you have lots of
 tools for authoring and publishing available.

 Cheers,

 ...scott



 Art Campbell wrote:

 I've been thinking about going the other way, Scott, using FM to
 single-source HTML into WordPress containers of different types. I've
 done several sites that seem to be morphing their way to a
 documentation model, and I think WP would be a pretty strong CMS host.

 How have you been structuring the DITA on the WP side? Plug-ins, or
 your own stuff, or something else?

 Art

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 On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com
 wrote:


 Hi Art...

 I've been messing around with exporting DITA from Wordpress, then opening
 that in FrameMaker for PDF publishing. Works pretty nice.

 ...scott


 Art Campbell wrote:


 Just checking in... I've been using and pushing Wordpress as a CMS for
 several web sites lately and have been very pleased with the results.
 I'm at the point of seeing if anyone else is working on something
 similar -- I'm curious if anyone else is playing with a Frame 
 WordPress extraction, conversion, or what-have-you.

 Cheers,
 Art

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 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
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RE: Anyone else looking at Frame WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-14 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Art,

How are you doing step 2: Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
Thanks.

Rick

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:23 AM
To: Scott Prentice; FrameUsers List
Cc: Jeremy Griffith; Jeremy H. Griffith
Subject: Re: Anyone else looking at Frame  WordPress (as a CMS)

Just as an update -- this certainly seems to be possible; I'm doing
some testing.

The workflow seems to be (unstructured):

1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post
types and other bits and pieces on import.

It may be possible to streamline this if you can twiddle MIF2Go or a
script to do a post-processing step and generate a CSV, but I don't
know if that's possible. Yet.

And I suspect it'd be pretty easy to go from DITA or another structure
to CSV, but I haven't played with that at all.

Art Campbell
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Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
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Re: Anyone else looking at Frame WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-14 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:23:18 -0400, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com wrote:

The workflow seems to be (unstructured):

1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.

That doesn't make sense to me.  Why have Mif2Go make
RTF, with very different requirements than HTML, and
then use something else to make the clean HTML/XHTML
you can have Mif2Go make in the first place?

I hope the intermediate step isn't using Word, which
produces horrible HTML.  But Word is what our RTF is
tuned for...

3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post
types and other bits and pieces on import.

WordPress doesn't import HTML?  CSV is a very old and 
limited format...  Does WordPress use it internally,
or does it use its own XML format, as I'd expect?

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Re: Anyone else looking at Frame WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-14 Thread Art Campbell
Jeremy, the tool I'm playing with converts a directory of RTF files
into clean HTML, but then performs a second step of parsing each file
into a format that can be pulled into a SQL database -- hence the CSV
format for the lowest common denominator DB format...

Yes, you can cut and paste HTML into Wordpress pretty easily. One file
at a time. You have several hundred or thousand to do, it could be a
little wearing...

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On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith jer...@omsys.com wrote:
 On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:23:18 -0400, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

The workflow seems to be (unstructured):

1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.

 That doesn't make sense to me.  Why have Mif2Go make
 RTF, with very different requirements than HTML, and
 then use something else to make the clean HTML/XHTML
 you can have Mif2Go make in the first place?

 I hope the intermediate step isn't using Word, which
 produces horrible HTML.  But Word is what our RTF is
 tuned for...

3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post
types and other bits and pieces on import.

 WordPress doesn't import HTML?  CSV is a very old and
 limited format...  Does WordPress use it internally,
 or does it use its own XML format, as I'd expect?

 -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  jer...@omsys.com  http://www.omsys.com/

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RE: Anyone else looking at Frame WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-14 Thread John Sgammato
That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, but I would need a Drupal 
version, not a WordPress version.
Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book as 300 individual HTML 
procedures and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I would have my 
grail - all my official released procedures could get pumped into a 
Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned by our Support team!

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:49 PM
To: Jeremy H. Griffith
Cc: FrameUsers List
Subject: Re: Anyone else looking at Frame  WordPress (as a CMS)

Jeremy, the tool I'm playing with converts a directory of RTF files into clean 
HTML, but then performs a second step of parsing each file into a format that 
can be pulled into a SQL database -- hence the CSV format for the lowest common 
denominator DB format...

Yes, you can cut and paste HTML into Wordpress pretty easily. One file at a 
time. You have several hundred or thousand to do, it could be a little 
wearing...

Art Campbell
               art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
                                                      No disclaimers apply.
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On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith jer...@omsys.com wrote:
 On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:23:18 -0400, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

The workflow seems to be (unstructured):

1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.

 That doesn't make sense to me.  Why have Mif2Go make RTF, with very 
 different requirements than HTML, and then use something else to make 
 the clean HTML/XHTML you can have Mif2Go make in the first place?

 I hope the intermediate step isn't using Word, which produces horrible 
 HTML.  But Word is what our RTF is tuned for...

3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post 
types and other bits and pieces on import.

 WordPress doesn't import HTML?  CSV is a very old and limited 
 format...  Does WordPress use it internally, or does it use its own 
 XML format, as I'd expect?

 -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  jer...@omsys.com  http://www.omsys.com/

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Re: Anyone else looking at Frame WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-14 Thread Art Campbell
Exactly!

It's another target for single sourcing out of Frame.
And once all the info is in the CMS or the database... you're free to
set up the web site / knowledge base / online doc site as you want

Art

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On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:57 PM, John Sgammato jsgamm...@imprivata.com wrote:
 That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, but I would need a Drupal 
 version, not a WordPress version.
 Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book as 300 individual HTML 
 procedures and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I would have my 
 grail - all my official released procedures could get pumped into a 
 Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned by our Support team!

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
 Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:49 PM
 To: Jeremy H. Griffith
 Cc: FrameUsers List
 Subject: Re: Anyone else looking at Frame  WordPress (as a CMS)

 Jeremy, the tool I'm playing with converts a directory of RTF files into 
 clean HTML, but then performs a second step of parsing each file into a 
 format that can be pulled into a SQL database -- hence the CSV format for the 
 lowest common denominator DB format...

 Yes, you can cut and paste HTML into Wordpress pretty easily. One file at a 
 time. You have several hundred or thousand to do, it could be a little 
 wearing...

 Art Campbell
                art.campb...@gmail.com
   ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
 redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
                                                       No disclaimers apply.
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 On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith jer...@omsys.com wrote:
 On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:23:18 -0400, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

The workflow seems to be (unstructured):

1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.

 That doesn't make sense to me.  Why have Mif2Go make RTF, with very
 different requirements than HTML, and then use something else to make
 the clean HTML/XHTML you can have Mif2Go make in the first place?

 I hope the intermediate step isn't using Word, which produces horrible
 HTML.  But Word is what our RTF is tuned for...

3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post
types and other bits and pieces on import.

 WordPress doesn't import HTML?  CSV is a very old and limited
 format...  Does WordPress use it internally, or does it use its own
 XML format, as I'd expect?

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Re: Anyone else looking at Frame WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-14 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:57:51 -0400, John Sgammato 
jsgamm...@imprivata.com wrote:

That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, 
but I would need a Drupal version, not a WordPress 
version.

Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book 
as 300 individual HTML procedures 

Sure, no problem.  In about ten seconds. g

and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I 
would have my grail - all my official released procedures 
could get pumped into a Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned 
by our Support team!

Easy one.  There's a Drupal module that does what
you want:
  http://drupal.org/project/import_html

In fact, if you go to drupal.org and search for
import HTML files, you get 279986 hits.  The
module above is just the first one.  If you set
the filter to Modules, you have only 2581 to
look through...  vbg

For DITA folks, Dick Johnson has published his
infocenter on Drupal at:
  http://www.ditainfo.info
And Don Day Himself is working on DITA for Drupal:
  
http://pronovix.com/documentation-dita-open-source-cms-drupal-presentation-cmsdita-n-america-baltimore

Of course, if you use DITA source, DITA2Go does the
same fast, thorough job that Mif2Go does... and it
is free, available at:
  http://dita2go.com
which is itself a Drupal site.  ;-)

Enjoy!

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Re: Anyone else looking at Frame WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-14 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:13:36 -0500, Jeremy H. Griffith 
jer...@omsys.com wrote:

In fact, if you go to drupal.org and search for
import HTML files, you get 279986 hits.  The
module above is just the first one.  If you set
the filter to Modules, you have only 2581 to
look through...  vbg

And if you want a nice set of tables showing the
major choices and their features, go to the Wiki 
page at:
  http://groups.drupal.org/node/21338

There are modules that go to/from WordPress, too,
via CSV, and import WordPress Extended RSS:
  http://drupal.org/project/wordpress_import

I love Drupal.  ;-)

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Re: Anyone else looking at Frame WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-14 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:57:51 -0400, John Sgammato 
jsgamm...@imprivata.com wrote:

That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, 
but I would need a Drupal version, not a WordPress 
version.

Harking back to your original question, about CMS use,
there's this Drupal module, which I'm looking at for 
an entirely different purpose, but which is made for 
CMS support:
  http://drupal.org/project/cmis

And you might look at the CMIS standard itself:
  http://www.aiim.org/community/blogs/expert/CMIS-A-Standard-Whose-Time-has-Come

Then there's the 4601 hits for content management
in Modules; skim down that list for more ideas of
what's already available:
  
http://drupal.org/search/apachesolr_multisitesearch/content%20management?filters=ss_meta_type%3Amodule

One of the companies involved in the Drupal CMIS 
mosule is Alfresco, worth a look at too:
  http://www.alfresco.com/products/networks/community/
Free for non-commercial use only.

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Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-14 Thread Art Campbell
Just as an update -- this certainly seems to be possible; I'm doing
some testing.

The workflow seems to be (unstructured):

1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post
types and other bits and pieces on import.

It may be possible to streamline this if you can twiddle MIF2Go or a
script to do a post-processing step and generate a CSV, but I don't
know if that's possible. Yet.

And I suspect it'd be pretty easy to go from DITA or another structure
to CSV, but I haven't played with that at all.

Art Campbell
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply.
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On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:
> I know some people that are going from DITA into WP (and Drupal). Here's a
> link to a recent Silicon Valley DITA Interest Group meeting where they
> presented their work ..
>
> ? http://svdig.ditamap.com/posts/267
>
> They author documentation in DITA (potentially FM-authored) and publish into
> Wordpress. The resulting pages can be commented and searched in the WP
> environment. Future updates to the documentation and be uploaded into WP,
> replacing the previous versions, but maintaining the associated comments.
>
> Using WP as the CMS host implies (to me) that you're trying to round trip
> (store data in WP, download/checkout to FM for authoring, then upload back
> to WP) .. which in theory could work if HTML is your source format. You'd
> just need the code bits to do the "checkin" and "checkout" .. but it
> certainly could work.
>
> The WP->DITA->FM path that I've explored basically just requires a fairly
> simple PHP script that reads the WP database directly and writes out a file
> that is the entire database dump, but wraps up each "page" in DITA topics
> with titles and other markup properly DITA-ified. The resulting single DITA
> file can be opened in Frame which applies all of the proper formatting, then
> saved directly to a PDF.
>
> In theory something similar could be used to round-trip content, but since
> the standard internal markup in WP is HTML, you'd have to be sure to author
> the DITA content using a very limited set of the specification. The nice
> thing about using DITA as the intermediate markup is that you have lots of
> tools for authoring and publishing available.
>
> Cheers,
>
> ...scott
>
>
>
> Art Campbell wrote:
>>
>> I've been thinking about going the other way, Scott, using FM to
>> single-source HTML into WordPress containers of different types. I've
>> done several sites that seem to be morphing their way to a
>> documentation model, and I think WP would be a pretty strong CMS host.
>>
>> How have you been structuring the DITA on the WP side? Plug-ins, or
>> your own stuff, or something else?
>>
>> Art
>>
>> Art Campbell
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
>> ?"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
>> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?No disclaimers apply.
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? DoD 358
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Scott Prentice 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Art...
>>>
>>> I've been messing around with exporting DITA from Wordpress, then opening
>>> that in FrameMaker for PDF publishing. Works pretty nice.
>>>
>>> ...scott
>>>
>>>
>>> Art Campbell wrote:
>>>

 Just checking in... I've been using and pushing Wordpress as a CMS for
 several web sites lately and have been very pleased with the results.
 I'm at the point of seeing if anyone else is working on something
 similar -- I'm curious if anyone else is playing with a Frame >
 WordPress extraction, conversion, or what-have-you.

 Cheers,
 Art

 Art Campbell
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?art.campbell at gmail.com
 ?"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers
 apply.


>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>


Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-14 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Art,

How are you doing step 2: Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
Thanks.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
rick at frameexpert.com

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:23 AM
To: Scott Prentice; FrameUsers List
Cc: Jeremy Griffith; Jeremy H. Griffith
Subject: Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

Just as an update -- this certainly seems to be possible; I'm doing
some testing.

The workflow seems to be (unstructured):

1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post
types and other bits and pieces on import.

It may be possible to streamline this if you can twiddle MIF2Go or a
script to do a post-processing step and generate a CSV, but I don't
know if that's possible. Yet.

And I suspect it'd be pretty easy to go from DITA or another structure
to CSV, but I haven't played with that at all.

Art Campbell
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply.
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Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-14 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:23:18 -0400, Art Campbell  
wrote:

>The workflow seems to be (unstructured):
>
>1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
>2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.

That doesn't make sense to me.  Why have Mif2Go make
RTF, with very different requirements than HTML, and
then use something else to make the clean HTML/XHTML
you can have Mif2Go make in the first place?

I hope the intermediate step isn't using Word, which
produces horrible HTML.  But Word is what our RTF is
tuned for...

>3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
>4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post
>types and other bits and pieces on import.

WordPress doesn't import HTML?  CSV is a very old and 
limited format...  Does WordPress use it internally,
or does it use its own XML format, as I'd expect?

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/


Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-14 Thread Art Campbell
Jeremy, the tool I'm playing with converts a directory of RTF files
into clean HTML, but then performs a second step of parsing each file
into a format that can be pulled into a SQL database -- hence the CSV
format for the lowest common denominator DB format...

Yes, you can cut and paste HTML into Wordpress pretty easily. One file
at a time. You have several hundred or thousand to do, it could be a
little wearing...

Art Campbell
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358

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On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith  wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:23:18 -0400, Art Campbell  
> wrote:
>
>>The workflow seems to be (unstructured):
>>
>>1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
>>2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
>
> That doesn't make sense to me. ?Why have Mif2Go make
> RTF, with very different requirements than HTML, and
> then use something else to make the clean HTML/XHTML
> you can have Mif2Go make in the first place?
>
> I hope the intermediate step isn't using Word, which
> produces horrible HTML. ?But Word is what our RTF is
> tuned for...
>
>>3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
>>4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post
>>types and other bits and pieces on import.
>
> WordPress doesn't import HTML? ?CSV is a very old and
> limited format... ?Does WordPress use it internally,
> or does it use its own XML format, as I'd expect?
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
> ? ?http://www.omsys.com/
>


Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-14 Thread John Sgammato
That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, but I would need a Drupal 
version, not a WordPress version.
Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book as 300 individual HTML 
procedures and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I would have my 
grail - all my official released procedures could get pumped into a 
Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned by our Support team!

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:49 PM
To: Jeremy H. Griffith
Cc: FrameUsers List
Subject: Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

Jeremy, the tool I'm playing with converts a directory of RTF files into clean 
HTML, but then performs a second step of parsing each file into a format that 
can be pulled into a SQL database -- hence the CSV format for the lowest common 
denominator DB format...

Yes, you can cut and paste HTML into Wordpress pretty easily. One file at a 
time. You have several hundred or thousand to do, it could be a little 
wearing...

Art Campbell
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358

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On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith  wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:23:18 -0400, Art Campbell  
> wrote:
>
>>The workflow seems to be (unstructured):
>>
>>1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
>>2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
>
> That doesn't make sense to me. ?Why have Mif2Go make RTF, with very 
> different requirements than HTML, and then use something else to make 
> the clean HTML/XHTML you can have Mif2Go make in the first place?
>
> I hope the intermediate step isn't using Word, which produces horrible 
> HTML. ?But Word is what our RTF is tuned for...
>
>>3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
>>4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post 
>>types and other bits and pieces on import.
>
> WordPress doesn't import HTML? ?CSV is a very old and limited 
> format... ?Does WordPress use it internally, or does it use its own 
> XML format, as I'd expect?
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
> ? ?http://www.omsys.com/
>
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Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-14 Thread Art Campbell
Exactly!

It's another target for single sourcing out of Frame.
And once all the info is in the CMS or the database... you're free to
set up the web site / knowledge base / online doc site as you want

Art

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On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:57 PM, John Sgammato  
wrote:
> That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, but I would need a Drupal 
> version, not a WordPress version.
> Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book as 300 individual HTML 
> procedures and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I would have my 
> grail - all my official released procedures could get pumped into a 
> Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned by our Support team!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:49 PM
> To: Jeremy H. Griffith
> Cc: FrameUsers List
> Subject: Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)
>
> Jeremy, the tool I'm playing with converts a directory of RTF files into 
> clean HTML, but then performs a second step of parsing each file into a 
> format that can be pulled into a SQL database -- hence the CSV format for the 
> lowest common denominator DB format...
>
> Yes, you can cut and paste HTML into Wordpress pretty easily. One file at a 
> time. You have several hundred or thousand to do, it could be a little 
> wearing...
>
> Art Campbell
> ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
> ? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
> redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply.
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358
>
> I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith  
> wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:23:18 -0400, Art Campbell  
>> wrote:
>>
>>>The workflow seems to be (unstructured):
>>>
>>>1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
>>>2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
>>
>> That doesn't make sense to me. ?Why have Mif2Go make RTF, with very
>> different requirements than HTML, and then use something else to make
>> the clean HTML/XHTML you can have Mif2Go make in the first place?
>>
>> I hope the intermediate step isn't using Word, which produces horrible
>> HTML. ?But Word is what our RTF is tuned for...
>>
>>>3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
>>>4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post
>>>types and other bits and pieces on import.
>>
>> WordPress doesn't import HTML? ?CSV is a very old and limited
>> format... ?Does WordPress use it internally, or does it use its own
>> XML format, as I'd expect?
>>
>> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
>> ? ?http://www.omsys.com/
>>
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Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-14 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:57:51 -0400, "John Sgammato" 
 wrote:

>That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, 
>but I would need a Drupal version, not a WordPress 
>version.
>
>Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book 
>as 300 individual HTML procedures 

Sure, no problem.  In about ten seconds. 

>and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I 
>would have my grail - all my official released procedures 
>could get pumped into a Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned 
>by our Support team!

Easy one.  There's a Drupal module that does what
you want:
  http://drupal.org/project/import_html

In fact, if you go to drupal.org and search for
"import HTML files", you get 279986 hits.  The
module above is just the first one.  If you set
the filter to "Modules", you have only 2581 to
look through...  

For DITA folks, Dick Johnson has published his
infocenter on Drupal at:
  http://www.ditainfo.info
And Don Day Himself is working on "DITA for Drupal":
  
http://pronovix.com/documentation-dita-open-source-cms-drupal-presentation-cmsdita-n-america-baltimore

Of course, if you use DITA source, DITA2Go does the
same fast, thorough job that Mif2Go does... and it
is free, available at:
  http://dita2go.com
which is itself a Drupal site.  ;-)

Enjoy!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/


Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-14 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:13:36 -0500, "Jeremy H. Griffith" 
 wrote:

>In fact, if you go to drupal.org and search for
>"import HTML files", you get 279986 hits.  The
>module above is just the first one.  If you set
>the filter to "Modules", you have only 2581 to
>look through...  

And if you want a nice set of tables showing the
major choices and their features, go to the Wiki 
page at:
  http://groups.drupal.org/node/21338

There are modules that go to/from WordPress, too,
via CSV, and import WordPress Extended RSS:
  http://drupal.org/project/wordpress_import

I love Drupal.  ;-)

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/


Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-14 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:57:51 -0400, "John Sgammato" 
 wrote:

>That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, 
>but I would need a Drupal version, not a WordPress 
>version.

Harking back to your original question, about CMS use,
there's this Drupal module, which I'm looking at for 
an entirely different purpose, but which is made for 
CMS support:
  http://drupal.org/project/cmis

And you might look at the CMIS standard itself:
  http://www.aiim.org/community/blogs/expert/CMIS-A-Standard-Whose-Time-has-Come

Then there's the 4601 hits for "content management"
in Modules; skim down that list for more ideas of
what's already available:
  
http://drupal.org/search/apachesolr_multisitesearch/content%20management?filters=ss_meta_type%3Amodule

One of the companies involved in the Drupal CMIS 
mosule is Alfresco, worth a look at too:
  http://www.alfresco.com/products/networks/community/
Free for non-commercial use only.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/


Re: Anyone else looking at Frame WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-05 Thread Scott Prentice

Hi Art...

I've been messing around with exporting DITA from Wordpress, then 
opening that in FrameMaker for PDF publishing. Works pretty nice.


...scott


Art Campbell wrote:

Just checking in... I've been using and pushing Wordpress as a CMS for
several web sites lately and have been very pleased with the results.
I'm at the point of seeing if anyone else is working on something
similar -- I'm curious if anyone else is playing with a Frame 
WordPress extraction, conversion, or what-have-you.

Cheers,
Art

Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
  


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Re: Anyone else looking at Frame WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-05 Thread Art Campbell
I've been thinking about going the other way, Scott, using FM to
single-source HTML into WordPress containers of different types. I've
done several sites that seem to be morphing their way to a
documentation model, and I think WP would be a pretty strong CMS host.

How have you been structuring the DITA on the WP side? Plug-ins, or
your own stuff, or something else?

Art

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  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
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On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com wrote:
 Hi Art...

 I've been messing around with exporting DITA from Wordpress, then opening
 that in FrameMaker for PDF publishing. Works pretty nice.

 ...scott


 Art Campbell wrote:

 Just checking in... I've been using and pushing Wordpress as a CMS for
 several web sites lately and have been very pleased with the results.
 I'm at the point of seeing if anyone else is working on something
 similar -- I'm curious if anyone else is playing with a Frame 
 WordPress extraction, conversion, or what-have-you.

 Cheers,
 Art

 Art Campbell
               art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
                                                      No disclaimers apply.



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Re: Anyone else looking at Frame WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-05 Thread Scott Prentice
I know some people that are going from DITA into WP (and Drupal). Here's 
a link to a recent Silicon Valley DITA Interest Group meeting where they 
presented their work ..


   http://svdig.ditamap.com/posts/267

They author documentation in DITA (potentially FM-authored) and publish 
into Wordpress. The resulting pages can be commented and searched in the 
WP environment. Future updates to the documentation and be uploaded into 
WP, replacing the previous versions, but maintaining the associated 
comments.


Using WP as the CMS host implies (to me) that you're trying to round 
trip (store data in WP, download/checkout to FM for authoring, then 
upload back to WP) .. which in theory could work if HTML is your source 
format. You'd just need the code bits to do the checkin and checkout 
.. but it certainly could work.


The WP-DITA-FM path that I've explored basically just requires a 
fairly simple PHP script that reads the WP database directly and writes 
out a file that is the entire database dump, but wraps up each page in 
DITA topics with titles and other markup properly DITA-ified. The 
resulting single DITA file can be opened in Frame which applies all of 
the proper formatting, then saved directly to a PDF.


In theory something similar could be used to round-trip content, but 
since the standard internal markup in WP is HTML, you'd have to be sure 
to author the DITA content using a very limited set of the 
specification. The nice thing about using DITA as the intermediate 
markup is that you have lots of tools for authoring and publishing 
available.


Cheers,

...scott



Art Campbell wrote:

I've been thinking about going the other way, Scott, using FM to
single-source HTML into WordPress containers of different types. I've
done several sites that seem to be morphing their way to a
documentation model, and I think WP would be a pretty strong CMS host.

How have you been structuring the DITA on the WP side? Plug-ins, or
your own stuff, or something else?

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com wrote:
  

Hi Art...

I've been messing around with exporting DITA from Wordpress, then opening
that in FrameMaker for PDF publishing. Works pretty nice.

...scott


Art Campbell wrote:


Just checking in... I've been using and pushing Wordpress as a CMS for
several web sites lately and have been very pleased with the results.
I'm at the point of seeing if anyone else is working on something
similar -- I'm curious if anyone else is playing with a Frame 
WordPress extraction, conversion, or what-have-you.

Cheers,
Art

Art Campbell
  art.campb...@gmail.com
 ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.

  



  

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Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-05 Thread Scott Prentice
Hi Art...

I've been messing around with exporting DITA from Wordpress, then 
opening that in FrameMaker for PDF publishing. Works pretty nice.

...scott


Art Campbell wrote:
> Just checking in... I've been using and pushing Wordpress as a CMS for
> several web sites lately and have been very pleased with the results.
> I'm at the point of seeing if anyone else is working on something
> similar -- I'm curious if anyone else is playing with a Frame >
> WordPress extraction, conversion, or what-have-you.
>
> Cheers,
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
>art.campbell at gmail.com
>   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>   No disclaimers apply.
>   



Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-05 Thread Art Campbell
I've been thinking about going the other way, Scott, using FM to
single-source HTML into WordPress containers of different types. I've
done several sites that seem to be morphing their way to a
documentation model, and I think WP would be a pretty strong CMS host.

How have you been structuring the DITA on the WP side? Plug-ins, or
your own stuff, or something else?

Art

Art Campbell
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358



On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:
> Hi Art...
>
> I've been messing around with exporting DITA from Wordpress, then opening
> that in FrameMaker for PDF publishing. Works pretty nice.
>
> ...scott
>
>
> Art Campbell wrote:
>>
>> Just checking in... I've been using and pushing Wordpress as a CMS for
>> several web sites lately and have been very pleased with the results.
>> I'm at the point of seeing if anyone else is working on something
>> similar -- I'm curious if anyone else is playing with a Frame >
>> WordPress extraction, conversion, or what-have-you.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Art
>>
>> Art Campbell
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
>> ?"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
>> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?No disclaimers apply.
>>
>
>


Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-05 Thread Scott Prentice
I know some people that are going from DITA into WP (and Drupal). Here's 
a link to a recent Silicon Valley DITA Interest Group meeting where they 
presented their work ..

http://svdig.ditamap.com/posts/267

They author documentation in DITA (potentially FM-authored) and publish 
into Wordpress. The resulting pages can be commented and searched in the 
WP environment. Future updates to the documentation and be uploaded into 
WP, replacing the previous versions, but maintaining the associated 
comments.

Using WP as the CMS host implies (to me) that you're trying to round 
trip (store data in WP, download/checkout to FM for authoring, then 
upload back to WP) .. which in theory could work if HTML is your source 
format. You'd just need the code bits to do the "checkin" and "checkout" 
.. but it certainly could work.

The WP->DITA->FM path that I've explored basically just requires a 
fairly simple PHP script that reads the WP database directly and writes 
out a file that is the entire database dump, but wraps up each "page" in 
DITA topics with titles and other markup properly DITA-ified. The 
resulting single DITA file can be opened in Frame which applies all of 
the proper formatting, then saved directly to a PDF.

In theory something similar could be used to round-trip content, but 
since the standard internal markup in WP is HTML, you'd have to be sure 
to author the DITA content using a very limited set of the 
specification. The nice thing about using DITA as the intermediate 
markup is that you have lots of tools for authoring and publishing 
available.

Cheers,

...scott



Art Campbell wrote:
> I've been thinking about going the other way, Scott, using FM to
> single-source HTML into WordPress containers of different types. I've
> done several sites that seem to be morphing their way to a
> documentation model, and I think WP would be a pretty strong CMS host.
>
> How have you been structuring the DITA on the WP side? Plug-ins, or
> your own stuff, or something else?
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
>art.campbell at gmail.com
>   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>   No disclaimers apply.
>DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:
>   
>> Hi Art...
>>
>> I've been messing around with exporting DITA from Wordpress, then opening
>> that in FrameMaker for PDF publishing. Works pretty nice.
>>
>> ...scott
>>
>>
>> Art Campbell wrote:
>> 
>>> Just checking in... I've been using and pushing Wordpress as a CMS for
>>> several web sites lately and have been very pleased with the results.
>>> I'm at the point of seeing if anyone else is working on something
>>> similar -- I'm curious if anyone else is playing with a Frame >
>>> WordPress extraction, conversion, or what-have-you.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Art
>>>
>>> Art Campbell
>>>   art.campbell at gmail.com
>>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
>>> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>>>  No disclaimers apply.
>>>
>>>   
>> 
>
>   


Anyone else looking at Frame WordPress (as a CMS)

2011-07-04 Thread Art Campbell
Just checking in... I've been using and pushing Wordpress as a CMS for
several web sites lately and have been very pleased with the results.
I'm at the point of seeing if anyone else is working on something
similar -- I'm curious if anyone else is playing with a Frame 
WordPress extraction, conversion, or what-have-you.

Cheers,
Art

Art Campbell
               art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
                                                      No disclaimers apply.
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2011-07-04 Thread Art Campbell
Just checking in... I've been using and pushing Wordpress as a CMS for
several web sites lately and have been very pleased with the results.
I'm at the point of seeing if anyone else is working on something
similar -- I'm curious if anyone else is playing with a Frame >
WordPress extraction, conversion, or what-have-you.

Cheers,
Art

Art Campbell
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358