Re: FrameMaker 10 Crashes when I do a Find and Replace of a character format

[Shmuel Wolfson]

  
  
FrameMaker seems to get stressed out doing book searches. That's one
of it's favorite times to crash in previous versions as well. I find
that if you open all the files in the book before the search, it
doesn't tend to crash from a book search. 

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133


On 2/21/2012 8:39 PM, Joseph Lorenzini wrote:
Hi Richard,
  
  A framemaker engineer has reached out to me and we are currently
  in the process of troubleshooting the problem. If we end up
  identifying what the problem is and a workaround, I'll be sure to
  notify the list serve. 
  
  Please keep in mind that the "Character Format" option in the find
  dialog box doesn't exist until FM 10. You can also search for
  paragraph and character format overrides which you could not do in
  previous releases. Finally, please be aware that this only seems
  reproducible with some extremely large books of mine that have
  been upgraded from FM 9. I can't reproduce this crash on a smaller
  book or a book created from scratch, in those other cases
  everything works as expected. 
  
  In answer to your questions:
  
  1) I am doing this because I first want to zero out all the
  formatting and then inherit a specific formatting from the body
  text. this ensures that i ONLY find text that is bolded and is
  body text and not finding bolded paragraphs that are bolded
  because of the paragraph format, such as H1 or H2. 
  
  2) I do not believe I am applying on top of the format override
  but rather replacing the format override with the char tag. When I
  did my testing in a single FM file, I tried this once on one piece
  of text that had the bold override applied to it. Prior to the the
  find and replace, I searched for character format overrides and
  the find mechanism flagged this text as having an override. After
  the find and replace occurred, I searched for character format
  overrides and the find mechanism did NOT flag this text as having
  an override
  
  3)In the FM data model, my understanding is that part of a
  character format is the char tag. So when I do a copy special and
  copy the character format, I am getting the character format tag
  in addition to everything else associated with the character
  format. 
  
  4) I was doing a find and replace across the entire book. I do
  this all the time and when I do I don't have a document open. I've
  never had a problem before. In any case, I have experimented with
  the find and replace when all the docs are opened and the crash
  still occurs. 
  
  Sincerely,
  Joe 
  
  On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Combs,
Richard richard.co...@polycom.com
wrote:

  

  

  
  I don't have FM10, but since I don't see any response on the
  list, I'll toss out some questions/comments that occurred to
  me:
  
  -- After step 7 (setting the dialog to As Is), why are you
  doing step 8 (setting it to the format at the cursor
  location)?
  
  -- In step 10, when you "apply a character format," I assume
  you mean a defined char tag. Why are you applying it on top of
  a format override? You realize that you're adding the char tag
  formatting to the override, not replacing the override? (At
  least, that's the case if your char tag is properly defined,
  with non-relevant parameters set to As Is.)
  
  -- In step 11, you're copying *all* the formatting of the
  selected text, not the char tag itself. IOW, if you select
  some text that has the Emphasis char tag (defined as Italic +
  As Is) applied, and that text is in a blue 20-pt Futura
  heading, what you're copying to the clipboard (and pasting) is
  blue 20-pt Futura Italic.
  
  -- In step 12, why are you closing all docs? I suspect this is
  the nut of the crashing problem. Although earlier versions of
  FM, IIRC, display an error dialog when you don't have a cursor
  location.
  
  HTH!
  
  Richard G. Combs
  Senior Technical Writer
  Polycom, Inc.
  richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
  303-223-5111
  --
  rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
  303-903-6372
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RE: FrameMaker 10 Crashes when I do a Find and Replace of a character format

[Combs, Richard]

Joseph Lorenzini wrote:
 
 Please keep in mind that the Character Format option in the find
 dialog box doesn't exist until FM 10.  

That's simply not true. Both Find Character Format and Find Character Tag have 
been there as long as I can remember (at least 5.5 or 6). I'm looking at a 7.2 
Find/Change dialog set to Find Character Format right now. 
 
 In answer to your questions:
 
 1)  I am doing this  because I first want to zero out all the
 formatting and then inherit a specific formatting from the body text.
 this ensures that i ONLY find text that is bolded and is body text and
 not finding bolded paragraphs that are  bolded because of the paragraph
 format, such as H1 or H2.

Then steps 7 and 8 are unnecessary. When the Find Character Format dialog 
opens, it has the settings at the text cursor. At Step 4, put the text cursor 
in bolded body text, and step 9 is also unnecessary. Saves a few keystrokes. 
:-)  

 2) I do not  believe I am applying  on top of the format override but
 rather replacing the format override with the char tag. When I did my
 testing in a single FM file, I tried this once on one piece of text
 that had the bold override applied to it. Prior to the the find and
 replace, I searched for character format overrides and the find
 mechanism flagged this text as having an override. After the find and
 replace occurred, I searched for character format overrides and the
 find mechanism did NOT flag this text as having an override

You may be right. It's been a long time since I've dealt with ad hoc char 
formatting (in fact, my interface customizations eliminate all the easy ways to 
apply ad hoc formatting, like the B button, Ctrl+b shortcut, etc.). I do know 
(just confirmed, in 7.2 at least) that if you apply a char tag and then apply a 
different char tag on top of it, the characteristics of the first (that aren't 
changed by the second) still remain. But FM remembers only the second char tag 
(it has only one bucket for storing that info) and marks it with an asterisk, 
indicating an override. 
 
 3)In the FM data model, my understanding is that part of a character
 format is the char tag. So when I do a copy special and copy the
 character format, I am getting the character format tag in addition to
 everything else associated with the character format.

Yes, I should have said not _just_ the char tag itself. It's the in addition 
to everything else that I was trying to point out. If every place you paste 
has everything else the same as the place from which you copied, there's no 
problem. But if you copy from a body text pgf and paste to, for instance, a 
table text pgf that uses a different typeface .  
 
 4) I was doing a find and replace across the entire book. I do this all
 the time and when I do I don't have a document open. I've never had a
 problem before. In any case, I have experimented with the find and
 replace when all the docs are opened and the crash still occurs.

Sorry to hear that it crashes anyway. For some people, at least, book 
operations have been more stable when some or all of the documents are open. It 
was worth a try. 

Good luck with the FM engineer. I'll look forward to learning the resolution, 
since moving to FM 10 is in my not-too-distant future. :-} 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
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FrameMaker 10 Crashes when I do a Find and Replace of a character format

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FrameMaker 10 Crashes when I do a Find and Replace of a character format

[Combs, Richard]

Joseph Lorenzini wrote:

> Please keep in mind that the "Character Format" option in the find
> dialog box doesn't exist until FM 10.? 

That's simply not true. Both Find Character Format and Find Character Tag have 
been there as long as I can remember (at least 5.5 or 6). I'm looking at a 7.2 
Find/Change dialog set to Find Character Format right now. 

> In answer to your questions:
> 
> 1)? I am doing this? because I first want to zero out all the
> formatting and then inherit a specific formatting from the body text.
> this ensures that i ONLY find text that is bolded and is body text and
> not finding bolded paragraphs that are? bolded because of the paragraph
> format, such as H1 or H2.

Then steps 7 and 8 are unnecessary. When the Find Character Format dialog 
opens, it has the settings at the text cursor. At Step 4, put the text cursor 
in bolded body text, and step 9 is also unnecessary. Saves a few keystrokes. 
:-)  

> 2) I do not? believe I am applying? on top of the format override but
> rather replacing the format override with the char tag. When I did my
> testing in a single FM file, I tried this once on one piece of text
> that had the bold override applied to it. Prior to the the find and
> replace, I searched for character format overrides and the find
> mechanism flagged this text as having an override. After the find and
> replace occurred, I searched for character format overrides and the
> find mechanism did NOT flag this text as having an override

You may be right. It's been a long time since I've dealt with ad hoc char 
formatting (in fact, my interface customizations eliminate all the easy ways to 
apply ad hoc formatting, like the B button, Ctrl+b shortcut, etc.). I do know 
(just confirmed, in 7.2 at least) that if you apply a char tag and then apply a 
different char tag on top of it, the characteristics of the first (that aren't 
changed by the second) still remain. But FM remembers only the second char tag 
(it has only one "bucket" for storing that info) and marks it with an asterisk, 
indicating an override. 

> 3)In the FM data model, my understanding is that part of a character
> format is the char tag. So when I do a copy special and copy the
> character format, I am getting the character format tag in addition to
> everything else associated with the character format.

Yes, I should have said "not _just_ the char tag itself." It's the "in addition 
to everything else" that I was trying to point out. If every place you paste 
has "everything else" the same as the place from which you copied, there's no 
problem. But if you copy from a body text pgf and paste to, for instance, a 
table text pgf that uses a different typeface .  

> 4) I was doing a find and replace across the entire book. I do this all
> the time and when I do I don't have a document open. I've never had a
> problem before. In any case, I have experimented with the find and
> replace when all the docs are opened and the crash still occurs.

Sorry to hear that it crashes anyway. For some people, at least, book 
operations have been more stable when some or all of the documents are open. It 
was worth a try. 

Good luck with the FM engineer. I'll look forward to learning the resolution, 
since moving to FM 10 is in my not-too-distant future. :-} 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
--

RE: FrameMaker 10 Crashes when I do a Find and Replace of a character format

[Combs, Richard]

Joseph Lorenzini wrote:
 
 If I do a find and replace of a character format across an entire book,
 Framemaker sucks up all the memory on my system and then crashes. I was
 wondering if anyone else has seen this behavior.
 
 Steps to Reproduce
 
 1. create a large book that contains several hundred pages and many
 framemaker files. Ideally, there should be 20 or so files in it.
 2. through out the book, highlight text and then press ctrl+b. This
 applies a character format override of bold.
 3.  open a framemaker doc from the book.
 4. place your cursor in some  body text.
 5. open the find dialog box.
 6. Set find to character format.
 7. In the find char format dialog box, press shift+F8.
 8. In the find char format dialog box, press shift+F9.
 9. in th find char format dialog box, set the weight to bold and then
 click the set button.
 10. in the framemaker doc, find some text that has bold override
 applied to it and then apply a character format.
 11. Use the copy special to copy the character format to your
 clipboard.
 12. close all documents.
 13. make sure the book is active.
 14. in the find dialog box, set change to by pasting.
 15. select the find button.

I don't have FM10, but since I don't see any response on the list, I'll toss 
out some questions/comments that occurred to me: 

-- After step 7 (setting the dialog to As Is), why are you doing step 8 
(setting it to the format at the cursor location)? 

-- In step 10, when you apply a character format, I assume you mean a defined 
char tag. Why are you applying it on top of a format override? You realize that 
you're adding the char tag formatting to the override, not replacing the 
override? (At least, that's the case if your char tag is properly defined, with 
non-relevant parameters set to As Is.)

-- In step 11, you're copying *all* the formatting of the selected text, not 
the char tag itself. IOW, if you select some text that has the Emphasis char 
tag (defined as Italic + As Is) applied, and that text is in a blue 20-pt 
Futura heading, what you're copying to the clipboard (and pasting) is blue 
20-pt Futura Italic. 

-- In step 12, why are you closing all docs? I suspect this is the nut of the 
crashing problem. Although earlier versions of FM, IIRC, display an error 
dialog when you don't have a cursor location. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
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Re: FrameMaker 10 Crashes when I do a Find and Replace of a character format

[Joseph Lorenzini]

Hi Richard,

A framemaker engineer has reached out to me and we are currently in the
process of troubleshooting the problem. If we end up identifying what the
problem is and a workaround, I'll be sure to notify the list serve.

Please keep in mind that the Character Format option in the find dialog
box doesn't exist until FM 10.  You can also search for paragraph and
character format overrides which you could not do in previous releases.
Finally, please be aware that this only seems reproducible with some
extremely large books of mine that have been upgraded from FM 9. I can't
reproduce this crash on a smaller book or a book created from scratch, in
those other cases everything works as expected.

In answer to your questions:

1)  I am doing this  because I first want to zero out all the formatting
and then inherit a specific formatting from the body text. this ensures
that i ONLY find text that is bolded and is body text and not finding
bolded paragraphs that are  bolded because of the paragraph format, such as
H1 or H2.

2) I do not  believe I am applying  on top of the format override but
rather replacing the format override with the char tag. When I did my
testing in a single FM file, I tried this once on one piece of text that
had the bold override applied to it. Prior to the the find and replace, I
searched for character format overrides and the find mechanism flagged this
text as having an override. After the find and replace occurred, I searched
for character format overrides and the find mechanism did NOT flag this
text as having an override

3)In the FM data model, my understanding is that part of a character format
is the char tag. So when I do a copy special and copy the character format,
I am getting the character format tag in addition to everything else
associated with the character format.

4) I was doing a find and replace across the entire book. I do this all the
time and when I do I don't have a document open. I've never had a problem
before. In any case, I have experimented with the find and replace when all
the docs are opened and the crash still occurs.

Sincerely,
Joe

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Combs, Richard
richard.co...@polycom.comwrote:


 I don't have FM10, but since I don't see any response on the list, I'll
 toss out some questions/comments that occurred to me:

 -- After step 7 (setting the dialog to As Is), why are you doing step 8
 (setting it to the format at the cursor location)?

 -- In step 10, when you apply a character format, I assume you mean a
 defined char tag. Why are you applying it on top of a format override? You
 realize that you're adding the char tag formatting to the override, not
 replacing the override? (At least, that's the case if your char tag is
 properly defined, with non-relevant parameters set to As Is.)

 -- In step 11, you're copying *all* the formatting of the selected text,
 not the char tag itself. IOW, if you select some text that has the Emphasis
 char tag (defined as Italic + As Is) applied, and that text is in a blue
 20-pt Futura heading, what you're copying to the clipboard (and pasting) is
 blue 20-pt Futura Italic.

 -- In step 12, why are you closing all docs? I suspect this is the nut of
 the crashing problem. Although earlier versions of FM, IIRC, display an
 error dialog when you don't have a cursor location.

 HTH!

 Richard G. Combs
 Senior Technical Writer
 Polycom, Inc.
 richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
 303-223-5111
 --
 rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
 303-903-6372
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FrameMaker 10 Crashes when I do a Find and Replace of a character format

[Combs, Richard]

Joseph Lorenzini wrote:

> If I do a find and replace of a character format across an entire book,
> Framemaker sucks up all the memory on my system and then crashes. I was
> wondering if anyone else has seen this behavior.
> 
> Steps to Reproduce
> 
> 1. create a large book that contains several hundred pages and many
> framemaker files. Ideally, there should be 20 or so files in it.
> 2. through out the book, highlight text and then press ctrl+b. This
> applies a character format override of bold.
> 3.? open a framemaker doc from the book.
> 4. place your cursor in some? body text.
> 5. open the find dialog box.
> 6. Set find to character format.
> 7. In the find char format dialog box, press shift+F8.
> 8. In the find char format dialog box, press shift+F9.
> 9. in th find char format dialog box, set the weight to bold and then
> click the set button.
> 10. in the framemaker doc, find some text that has bold override
> applied to it and then apply a character format.
> 11. Use the copy special to copy the character format to your
> clipboard.
> 12. close all documents.
> 13. make sure the book is active.
> 14. in the find dialog box, set change to "by pasting".
> 15. select the find button.

I don't have FM10, but since I don't see any response on the list, I'll toss 
out some questions/comments that occurred to me: 

-- After step 7 (setting the dialog to As Is), why are you doing step 8 
(setting it to the format at the cursor location)? 

-- In step 10, when you "apply a character format," I assume you mean a defined 
char tag. Why are you applying it on top of a format override? You realize that 
you're adding the char tag formatting to the override, not replacing the 
override? (At least, that's the case if your char tag is properly defined, with 
non-relevant parameters set to As Is.)

-- In step 11, you're copying *all* the formatting of the selected text, not 
the char tag itself. IOW, if you select some text that has the Emphasis char 
tag (defined as Italic + As Is) applied, and that text is in a blue 20-pt 
Futura heading, what you're copying to the clipboard (and pasting) is blue 
20-pt Futura Italic. 

-- In step 12, why are you closing all docs? I suspect this is the nut of the 
crashing problem. Although earlier versions of FM, IIRC, display an error 
dialog when you don't have a cursor location. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
--

FrameMaker 10 Crashes when I do a Find and Replace of a character format

[Joseph Lorenzini]

Hi Richard,

A framemaker engineer has reached out to me and we are currently in the
process of troubleshooting the problem. If we end up identifying what the
problem is and a workaround, I'll be sure to notify the list serve.

Please keep in mind that the "Character Format" option in the find dialog
box doesn't exist until FM 10.  You can also search for paragraph and
character format overrides which you could not do in previous releases.
Finally, please be aware that this only seems reproducible with some
extremely large books of mine that have been upgraded from FM 9. I can't
reproduce this crash on a smaller book or a book created from scratch, in
those other cases everything works as expected.

In answer to your questions:

1)  I am doing this  because I first want to zero out all the formatting
and then inherit a specific formatting from the body text. this ensures
that i ONLY find text that is bolded and is body text and not finding
bolded paragraphs that are  bolded because of the paragraph format, such as
H1 or H2.

2) I do not  believe I am applying  on top of the format override but
rather replacing the format override with the char tag. When I did my
testing in a single FM file, I tried this once on one piece of text that
had the bold override applied to it. Prior to the the find and replace, I
searched for character format overrides and the find mechanism flagged this
text as having an override. After the find and replace occurred, I searched
for character format overrides and the find mechanism did NOT flag this
text as having an override

3)In the FM data model, my understanding is that part of a character format
is the char tag. So when I do a copy special and copy the character format,
I am getting the character format tag in addition to everything else
associated with the character format.

4) I was doing a find and replace across the entire book. I do this all the
time and when I do I don't have a document open. I've never had a problem
before. In any case, I have experimented with the find and replace when all
the docs are opened and the crash still occurs.

Sincerely,
Joe

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Combs, Richard
wrote:

>
> I don't have FM10, but since I don't see any response on the list, I'll
> toss out some questions/comments that occurred to me:
>
> -- After step 7 (setting the dialog to As Is), why are you doing step 8
> (setting it to the format at the cursor location)?
>
> -- In step 10, when you "apply a character format," I assume you mean a
> defined char tag. Why are you applying it on top of a format override? You
> realize that you're adding the char tag formatting to the override, not
> replacing the override? (At least, that's the case if your char tag is
> properly defined, with non-relevant parameters set to As Is.)
>
> -- In step 11, you're copying *all* the formatting of the selected text,
> not the char tag itself. IOW, if you select some text that has the Emphasis
> char tag (defined as Italic + As Is) applied, and that text is in a blue
> 20-pt Futura heading, what you're copying to the clipboard (and pasting) is
> blue 20-pt Futura Italic.
>
> -- In step 12, why are you closing all docs? I suspect this is the nut of
> the crashing problem. Although earlier versions of FM, IIRC, display an
> error dialog when you don't have a cursor location.
>
> HTH!
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-903-6372
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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FrameMaker 10 Crashes when I do a Find and Replace of a character format

[Joseph Lorenzini]

Hi all:

If I do a find and replace of a character format across an entire book,
Framemaker sucks up all the memory on my system and then crashes. I was
wondering if anyone else has seen this behavior.

Steps to Reproduce

1. create a large book that contains several hundred pages and many
framemaker files. Ideally, there should be 20 or so files in it.
2. through out the book, highlight text and then press ctrl+b. This applies
a character format override of bold.
3.  open a framemaker doc from the book.
4. place your cursor in some  body text.
5. open the find dialog box.
6. Set find to character format.
7. In the find char format dialog box, press shift+F8.
8. In the find char format dialog box, press shift+F9.
9. in th find char format dialog box, set the weight to bold and then click
the set button.
10. in the framemaker doc, find some text that has bold override applied to
it and then apply a character format.
11. Use the copy special to copy the character format to your clipboard.
12. close all documents.
13. make sure the book is active.
14. in the find dialog box, set change to by pasting.
15. select the find button.

System Specs:
Win 7, 64 bit
Processor: Intel Core i5
8 GB of RAM
solid state drive
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FrameMaker 10 Crashes when I do a Find and Replace of a character format

[Joseph Lorenzini]

Hi all:

If I do a find and replace of a character format across an entire book,
Framemaker sucks up all the memory on my system and then crashes. I was
wondering if anyone else has seen this behavior.

Steps to Reproduce

1. create a large book that contains several hundred pages and many
framemaker files. Ideally, there should be 20 or so files in it.
2. through out the book, highlight text and then press ctrl+b. This applies
a character format override of bold.
3.  open a framemaker doc from the book.
4. place your cursor in some  body text.
5. open the find dialog box.
6. Set find to character format.
7. In the find char format dialog box, press shift+F8.
8. In the find char format dialog box, press shift+F9.
9. in th find char format dialog box, set the weight to bold and then click
the set button.
10. in the framemaker doc, find some text that has bold override applied to
it and then apply a character format.
11. Use the copy special to copy the character format to your clipboard.
12. close all documents.
13. make sure the book is active.
14. in the find dialog box, set change to "by pasting".
15. select the find button.

System Specs:
Win 7, 64 bit
Processor: Intel Core i5
8 GB of RAM
solid state drive
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