RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book
Raj, Thanks for clarifying this and pointing out the reference in the docs. I appreciate it. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com From: Raj Kumar Gupta [mailto:rakum...@adobe.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:29 AM To: Rick Quatro; 'Shmuel'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: Kunal Saini Subject: RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book Hi Rick, This is mentioned under section Update a book with child books and XML files in Documentation of FrameMaker 12 Help PDF http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/12.0/Help/using-framemaker-12.pdf Here is the snippet from the documentation: Generated files, such as table of contents or index files from the child book are not included in the published output. This is because the generated files in the parent book contain information for the child book files as well. Also run book-wide operations separately for each book. So This is As Designed. --- Thanks and Regards, Raj Gupta FM Engineering Team From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:48 PM To: 'Shmuel'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book Conceptually, sub-books--each containing their own TOC--should work, but when you make a PDF from the master book, the generated files in each sub-book don't appear in the PDF. I haven't figured out why, but have confirmed it in my tests. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:56 AM To: Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1); framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book You could put each language in one file and create a local TOC in each file. You also might be able to use subbooks and make TOCs for each subbook, but I've never used subbooks, so I don't know if seperate TOCs per subboks exist in FM. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 23-Feb-15 9:24 PM, Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1) wrote: Happy Monday! What is the best way to set up multiple TOCs in the same book? I have a book containing 16 languages, with each language having its own TOC. I need each of the 16 TOCs to display Heading 1s and Heading 2s in their own language only. I can generate multiple TOCs in my book, but my trouble is that each TOC shows me ALL the Heading 1s and Heading 2s in my book, so I get all 16 languages in each TOC. I can easily delete them from each of the 16 TOC files, but they come back every time I update the book. The only thing I can think of doing is changing my Paragraph Tags in each language. So I'd have Heading 1_eng, Heading 1_fre, Heading 1_spa, etc. And then I'd have to apply those to every heading 1 and 2 in every one of my languages. That's a lot of work. There must be an easier way, right? Thanks, Alan ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book
Hi Rick, This is mentioned under section Update a book with child books and XML files in Documentation of FrameMaker 12 Help PDF http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/12.0/Help/using-framemaker-12.pdf Here is the snippet from the documentation: Generated files, such as table of contents or index files from the child book are not included in the published output. This is because the generated files in the parent book contain information for the child book files as well. Also run book-wide operations separately for each book. So This is As Designed. --- Thanks and Regards, Raj Gupta FM Engineering Team From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:48 PM To: 'Shmuel'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book Conceptually, sub-books--each containing their own TOC--should work, but when you make a PDF from the master book, the generated files in each sub-book don't appear in the PDF. I haven't figured out why, but have confirmed it in my tests. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.commailto:r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:56 AM To: Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1); framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book You could put each language in one file and create a local TOC in each file. You also might be able to use subbooks and make TOCs for each subbook, but I've never used subbooks, so I don't know if seperate TOCs per subboks exist in FM. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 23-Feb-15 9:24 PM, Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1) wrote: Happy Monday! What is the best way to set up multiple TOCs in the same book? I have a book containing 16 languages, with each language having its own TOC. I need each of the 16 TOCs to display Heading 1s and Heading 2s in their own language only. I can generate multiple TOCs in my book, but my trouble is that each TOC shows me ALL the Heading 1s and Heading 2s in my book, so I get all 16 languages in each TOC. I can easily delete them from each of the 16 TOC files, but they come back every time I update the book. The only thing I can think of doing is changing my Paragraph Tags in each language. So I'd have Heading 1_eng, Heading 1_fre, Heading 1_spa, etc. And then I'd have to apply those to every heading 1 and 2 in every one of my languages. That's a lot of work. There must be an easier way, right? Thanks, Alan ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.commailto:shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book
Hi Klaus, Good point. I can solve that by calling another Update, but without generating the TOCs again. Thanks for the feedback. Rick From: Mueller, Klaus [mailto:klaus.muel...@itl.eu] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 3:39 PM To: Rick Quatro Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book Hi Rick, but then a script goes through each TOC and deletes all the content except for entries to files immediately following the TOC With this approach, I see the following problem: The TOC entries of 15 languages might lead to additional TOC pages. After the script has deleted those entries, the page numbers won't be consecutive anymore (except each chapter restarts page numbering). Kind regards, Klaus ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book
Hi Rick, but then a script goes through each TOC and deletes all the content except for entries to files immediately following the TOC With this approach, I see the following problem: The TOC entries of 15 languages might lead to additional TOC pages. After the script has deleted those entries, the page numbers won't be consecutive anymore (except each chapter restarts page numbering). Kind regards, Klaus ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book
You could put each language in one file and create a local TOC in each file. You also might be able to use subbooks and make TOCs for each subbook, but I've never used subbooks, so I don't know if seperate TOCs per subboks exist in FM. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 23-Feb-15 9:24 PM, Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1) wrote: Happy Monday! What is the best way to set up multiple TOCs in the same book? I have a book containing 16 languages, with each language having its own TOC. I need each of the 16 TOCs to display Heading 1s and Heading 2s in their own language only. I can generate multiple TOCs in my book, but my trouble is that each TOC shows me ALL the Heading 1s and Heading 2s in my book, so I get all 16 languages in each TOC. I can easily delete them from each of the 16 TOC files, but they come back every time I update the book. The only thing I can think of doing is changing my Paragraph Tags in each language. So I’d have Heading 1_eng, Heading 1_fre, Heading 1_spa, etc. And then I’d have to apply those to every heading 1 and 2 in every one of my languages. That’s a lot of work. There must be an easier way, right? Thanks, Alan ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book
You could put each language in one file and create a local TOC in each file. You also might be able to use subbooks and make TOCs for each subbook, but I've never used subbooks, so I don't know if separate TOCs per subboks exist in FM. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 23-Feb-15 9:24 PM, Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1) wrote: Happy Monday! What is the best way to set up multiple TOCs in the same book? I have a book containing 16 languages, with each language having its own TOC. I need each of the 16 TOCs to display Heading 1s and Heading 2s in their own language only. I can generate multiple TOCs in my book, but my trouble is that each TOC shows me ALL the Heading 1s and Heading 2s in my book, so I get all 16 languages in each TOC. I can easily delete them from each of the 16 TOC files, but they come back every time I update the book. The only thing I can think of doing is changing my Paragraph Tags in each language. So I’d have Heading 1_eng, Heading 1_fre, Heading 1_spa, etc. And then I’d have to apply those to every heading 1 and 2 in every one of my languages. That’s a lot of work. There must be an easier way, right? Thanks, Alan ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book
Yes, tried it a couple of different ways and no success. As an alternative, I have proposed a script solution where you have a single book with the TOCs for each language in their desired positions in the main book. (This is how their book is set up currently anyway.) After you update the book, all of the TOCs have the same content, but then a script goes through each TOC and deletes all the content except for entries to files immediately following the TOC, up to the next TOC in the book. The script can be automatically invoked by the update process so it should be pretty seamless. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:22 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book Arnis over on the forums suggested working from the bottom up on these book of books scenarios - create the generated matter in the sub-books first then do the top level book last. Have you done that still have no success Rick? From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: February-24-15 8:18 AM To: 'Shmuel'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book Conceptually, sub-books--each containing their own TOC--should work, but when you make a PDF from the master book, the generated files in each sub-book don't appear in the PDF. I haven't figured out why, but have confirmed it in my tests. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:56 AM To: Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1); framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book You could put each language in one file and create a local TOC in each file. You also might be able to use subbooks and make TOCs for each subbook, but I've never used subbooks, so I don't know if seperate TOCs per subboks exist in FM. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 23-Feb-15 9:24 PM, Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1) wrote: Happy Monday! What is the best way to set up multiple TOCs in the same book? I have a book containing 16 languages, with each language having its own TOC. I need each of the 16 TOCs to display Heading 1s and Heading 2s in their own language only. I can generate multiple TOCs in my book, but my trouble is that each TOC shows me ALL the Heading 1s and Heading 2s in my book, so I get all 16 languages in each TOC. I can easily delete them from each of the 16 TOC files, but they come back every time I update the book. The only thing I can think of doing is changing my Paragraph Tags in each language. So I'd have Heading 1_eng, Heading 1_fre, Heading 1_spa, etc. And then I'd have to apply those to every heading 1 and 2 in every one of my languages. That's a lot of work. There must be an easier way, right? Thanks, Alan ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book
Conceptually, sub-books--each containing their own TOC--should work, but when you make a PDF from the master book, the generated files in each sub-book don't appear in the PDF. I haven't figured out why, but have confirmed it in my tests. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:56 AM To: Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1); framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book You could put each language in one file and create a local TOC in each file. You also might be able to use subbooks and make TOCs for each subbook, but I've never used subbooks, so I don't know if seperate TOCs per subboks exist in FM. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 23-Feb-15 9:24 PM, Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1) wrote: Happy Monday! What is the best way to set up multiple TOCs in the same book? I have a book containing 16 languages, with each language having its own TOC. I need each of the 16 TOCs to display Heading 1s and Heading 2s in their own language only. I can generate multiple TOCs in my book, but my trouble is that each TOC shows me ALL the Heading 1s and Heading 2s in my book, so I get all 16 languages in each TOC. I can easily delete them from each of the 16 TOC files, but they come back every time I update the book. The only thing I can think of doing is changing my Paragraph Tags in each language. So I'd have Heading 1_eng, Heading 1_fre, Heading 1_spa, etc. And then I'd have to apply those to every heading 1 and 2 in every one of my languages. That's a lot of work. There must be an easier way, right? Thanks, Alan ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book
Arnis over on the forums suggested working from the bottom up on these book of books scenarios - create the generated matter in the sub-books first then do the top level book last. Have you done that still have no success Rick? From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: February-24-15 8:18 AM To: 'Shmuel'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book Conceptually, sub-books--each containing their own TOC--should work, but when you make a PDF from the master book, the generated files in each sub-book don't appear in the PDF. I haven't figured out why, but have confirmed it in my tests. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.commailto:r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:56 AM To: Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1); framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book You could put each language in one file and create a local TOC in each file. You also might be able to use subbooks and make TOCs for each subbook, but I've never used subbooks, so I don't know if seperate TOCs per subboks exist in FM. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 23-Feb-15 9:24 PM, Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1) wrote: Happy Monday! What is the best way to set up multiple TOCs in the same book? I have a book containing 16 languages, with each language having its own TOC. I need each of the 16 TOCs to display Heading 1s and Heading 2s in their own language only. I can generate multiple TOCs in my book, but my trouble is that each TOC shows me ALL the Heading 1s and Heading 2s in my book, so I get all 16 languages in each TOC. I can easily delete them from each of the 16 TOC files, but they come back every time I update the book. The only thing I can think of doing is changing my Paragraph Tags in each language. So I'd have Heading 1_eng, Heading 1_fre, Heading 1_spa, etc. And then I'd have to apply those to every heading 1 and 2 in every one of my languages. That's a lot of work. There must be an easier way, right? Thanks, Alan ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.commailto:shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book
In that case, I think Alan should (if possible) put all chapters of each language in one FM file and add a local TOC to each FM file. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 24-Feb-15 3:18 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: Conceptually, sub-books--each containing their own TOC--should work, but when you make a PDF from the master book, the generated files in each sub-book don't appear in the PDF. I haven't figured out why, but have confirmed it in my tests. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:56 AM To: Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1); framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book You could put each language in one file and create a local TOC in each file. You also might be able to use subbooks and make TOCs for each subbook, but I've never used subbooks, so I don't know if seperate TOCs per subboks exist in FM. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 23-Feb-15 9:24 PM, Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1) wrote: Happy Monday! What is the best way to set up multiple TOCs in the same book? I have a book containing 16 languages, with each language having its own TOC. I need each of the 16 TOCs to display Heading 1s and Heading 2s in their own language only. I can generate multiple TOCs in my book, but my trouble is that each TOC shows me ALL the Heading 1s and Heading 2s in my book, so I get all 16 languages in each TOC. I can easily delete them from each of the 16 TOC files, but they come back every time I update the book. The only thing I can think of doing is changing my Paragraph Tags in each language. So I’d have Heading 1_eng, Heading 1_fre, Heading 1_spa, etc. And then I’d have to apply those to every heading 1 and 2 in every one of my languages. That’s a lot of work. There must be an easier way, right? Thanks, Alan ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
