Re: Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0
Theresa Zamborsky wrote: Hi Stuart, Yes, the second table will move to the next page when there isn't enough room on the bottom of the page for its first two rows. We want to keep the two tables together in all instances (the first table with at least the first two lines of the second table). So if there's not enough room on the page for the first table AND the first two lines of the second table, we want them both to go to the next page together. Theresa, Try putting a soft return (Ctrl + Enter) between the two table anchors, and set the second table to two orphan rows. You may have to play around with the font size of the blank anchoring pgf, or use the negative Space Above/Space Below trick to get the white space right. But if your script can handle the soft return, I think this will work. best, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com If it makes things work more easily, why isn't it called lubrican? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0
Hi Theresa Have you tried anchoring them in different paragraphs and setting the anchor of the second table to keep with previous? I'd expect that to do exactly what you want, as long as the second table's table style has 2 as its orphan row setting and the first table has a very high number for that setting. You can play with the size of the anchoring paragraph to get the visual look you need, so that shouldn't cause problems. Cheers, Rebecca Theresa Zamborsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5/01/08 06:27 Hi Stuart, Yes, the second table will move to the next page when there isn't enough room on the bottom of the page for its first two rows. We want to keep the two tables together in all instances (the first table with at least the first two lines of the second table). So if there's not enough room on the page for the first table AND the first two lines of the second table, we want them both to go to the next page together. Thanks, Theresa -Original Message- From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:18 AM To: Theresa Zamborsky Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0 On Wednesday, January 02, 2008 04:49 PM, Theresa Zamborsky wrote: | Does anyone have suggestions of how to keep two tables (that use | different table formats) together in Frame 6.0? These two tables | are both anchored on the same blank para. line, but sometimes the | second table paginates to the next page. Because of Frame scripts | that we use, the two tables need to remain anchored on the same | para. line for the time being. I already tried having the tables | anchored to two separate para. lines and keeping those two para. | lines together, but that breaks our Frame script. | Theresa Zamborsky wrote: Hi Lester, Thanks for your email response and to the other email response I got with similar suggestions. These are all good suggestions about controlling where or how much a single table will break across pages. My issue is that the second table sometimes breaks away from the first table, depending on the pagination of each page. I want at least the first two lines of the second table to stay together with the first table in all instances. The two tables are both anchored to the same blank paragraph line. Theresa, Are you saying that the 2nd table sometimes moves to the next page even when there is room for its first two rows below the first table? Or is it the case that the 2nd table only moves when there is *not* enough room for its first two rows? If the latter, I can't see a solution -- you can't put 6 gallons in a 5-gallon tank. If the former, have you been able to determine what is causing the maverick pagination? We thought of putting the first table into an anchored frame inside the top (straddled) row of the second table to keep both together in one table. But because of the amount of conditional text that we use, this isn't an option either. The anchored frame will not shrink or expand automatically to accommodate the various conditional text versions, and the documents are too long for us to adjust the anchored frames manually. Since you're already using Framescript, could you write a script that would resize the frames for this scenario? Best, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com If it makes things work more easily, why isn't it called lubrican? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rebecca.officer%40alliedtelesis.co.nz Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesis Labs. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0
Hi Lester, Thanks for your email response and to the other email response I got with similar suggestions. These are all good suggestions about controlling where or how much a single table will break across pages. My issue is that the second table sometimes breaks away from the first table, depending on the pagination of each page. I want at least the first two lines of the second table to stay together with the first table in all instances. The two tables are both anchored to the same blank paragraph line. We thought of putting the first table into an anchored frame inside the top (straddled) row of the second table to keep both together in one table. But because of the amount of conditional text that we use, this isn't an option either. The anchored frame will not shrink or expand automatically to accommodate the various conditional text versions, and the documents are too long for us to adjust the anchored frames manually. Thanks, Theresa -Original Message- From: Lester C. Smalley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:22 AM To: Theresa Zamborsky; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0 Theresa - Is it acceptable to have the tables themselves break over page/column boundaries? You should check the Orphan Row setting (in the Basic tab of the table designer) and change the value to a smaller figure, even down to its minimum setting of 1. Note that this is explicitly only orphan rows - there is no widow row option, so you could get an initial single row and then the balance of the table on the next page. There is also the possibility that the rows have a custom minimum height or Keep with Next/Previous settings (both controlled via Table Row Format) that affect how a table breaks if necessary. You might also reduce the cell margins of the table design, and also of the paragraphs used in the cells (under the Table Cell tab of the paragraph designer) to reduce the vertical space needed for the contents of a row. The table's Space Above/Space Below properties may also affect pagination. Finally, does the anchoring paragraph have its Keep with Next, or the next paragraph the Keep with Previous, setting enabled? On Wednesday, January 02, 2008 04:49 PM, Theresa Zamborsky wrote: | Does anyone have suggestions of how to keep two tables (that use | different table formats) together in Frame 6.0? These two tables | are both anchored on the same blank para. line, but sometimes the | second table paginates to the next page. Because of Frame scripts | that we use, the two tables need to remain anchored on the same | para. line for the time being. I already tried having the tables | anchored to two separate para. lines and keeping those two para. | lines together, but that breaks our Frame script. | | Any suggestions would be appreciated. | | | Thanks, | | Theresa I hope this helps. - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0
On Wednesday, January 02, 2008 04:49 PM, Theresa Zamborsky wrote: | Does anyone have suggestions of how to keep two tables (that use | different table formats) together in Frame 6.0? These two tables | are both anchored on the same blank para. line, but sometimes the | second table paginates to the next page. Because of Frame scripts | that we use, the two tables need to remain anchored on the same | para. line for the time being. I already tried having the tables | anchored to two separate para. lines and keeping those two para. | lines together, but that breaks our Frame script. | Theresa Zamborsky wrote: Hi Lester, Thanks for your email response and to the other email response I got with similar suggestions. These are all good suggestions about controlling where or how much a single table will break across pages. My issue is that the second table sometimes breaks away from the first table, depending on the pagination of each page. I want at least the first two lines of the second table to stay together with the first table in all instances. The two tables are both anchored to the same blank paragraph line. Theresa, Are you saying that the 2nd table sometimes moves to the next page even when there is room for its first two rows below the first table? Or is it the case that the 2nd table only moves when there is *not* enough room for its first two rows? If the latter, I can't see a solution -- you can't put 6 gallons in a 5-gallon tank. If the former, have you been able to determine what is causing the maverick pagination? We thought of putting the first table into an anchored frame inside the top (straddled) row of the second table to keep both together in one table. But because of the amount of conditional text that we use, this isn't an option either. The anchored frame will not shrink or expand automatically to accommodate the various conditional text versions, and the documents are too long for us to adjust the anchored frames manually. Since you're already using Framescript, could you write a script that would resize the frames for this scenario? Best, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com If it makes things work more easily, why isn't it called lubrican? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0
Theresa - Is it acceptable to have the tables themselves break over page/column boundaries? You should check the Orphan Row setting (in the Basic tab of the table designer) and change the value to a smaller figure, even down to its minimum setting of 1. Note that this is explicitly only orphan rows - there is no widow row option, so you could get an initial single row and then the balance of the table on the next page. There is also the possibility that the rows have a custom minimum height or Keep with Next/Previous settings (both controlled via Table Row Format) that affect how a table breaks if necessary. You might also reduce the cell margins of the table design, and also of the paragraphs used in the cells (under the Table Cell tab of the paragraph designer) to reduce the vertical space needed for the contents of a row. The table's Space Above/Space Below properties may also affect pagination. Finally, does the anchoring paragraph have its Keep with Next, or the next paragraph the Keep with Previous, setting enabled? On Wednesday, January 02, 2008 04:49 PM, Theresa Zamborsky wrote: | Does anyone have suggestions of how to keep two tables (that use | different table formats) together in Frame 6.0? These two tables | are both anchored on the same blank para. line, but sometimes the | second table paginates to the next page. Because of Frame scripts | that we use, the two tables need to remain anchored on the same | para. line for the time being. I already tried having the tables | anchored to two separate para. lines and keeping those two para. | lines together, but that breaks our Frame script. | | Any suggestions would be appreciated. | | | Thanks, | | Theresa I hope this helps. - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
