Re: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question
I think it's a software problem. Either the software doesn't allow free posting to the list, or the software is too complicated for the moderator to change people into unmoderated status. Just my two cents. Theresa -- === Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.com === ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question
You know, that is kind of why I do not post much anymore. Threads became quite confused as some posts were held back and answered earlier thread posts, which were themselves answered by others who posted later but were passed through sooner. I think I would be a long-time framer too, by now. True about those flame wars, but there is little evidence of them now. So either people are better behaved or the moderation is working. Alan On 4/06/14 1:52 AM, Craig Ede wrote: Statements like Ken's (below) argue for some loosening of the moderation of this list. It's one thing to block spammers (and troublemakers) but serious users ought to be able to post their questions without long waits and to see the answers posted by experienced users who are being moderated. [As a long-time framer I suggest this with a clear memory of the flame-wars that used to break out here every year and a half or so.] Ken, you could also send a plea to the moderator(s) to pass you through without moderation. Who is/are the moderators at this point anyway? Craig *From:*framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Poshedly *Sent:* Friday, May 30, 2014 9:32 AM *To:* FrameMaker Users List *Subject:* FrameMaker graphics question I did cross-post this elsewhere because -- for whatever reason -- I don't see my infrequent posts on this list until one or two days after posting and that just doesn't work for me, ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as a...@alphabyte.co.nz. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question
Craig asked who is the moderator of this list at this point, and I have to say that I don't know. I did visit the www.frameusers.com website, and that site appears to still be owned by Brad Anderson, who also used to be (and maybe still is...) the listowner of this list. But I also noted that there is no content there that is newer than July 2011 (FrameMaker 10 still being referred to as new), so it appears that FrameMaker and frameusers.com are not very high on Brad's priority list these days. -Fred Ridder Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 09:30:59 +1200 From: a...@alphabyte.co.nz To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question You know, that is kind of why I do not post much anymore. Threads became quite confused as some posts were held back and answered earlier thread posts, which were themselves answered by others who posted later but were passed through sooner. I think I would be a long-time framer too, by now. True about those flame wars, but there is little evidence of them now. So either people are better behaved or the moderation is working. Alan On 4/06/14 1:52 AM, Craig Ede wrote: Statements like Ken's (below) argue for some loosening of the moderation of this list. It's one thing to block spammers (and troublemakers) but serious users ought to be able to post their questions without long waits and to see the answers posted by experienced users who are being moderated. [As a long-time framer I suggest this with a clear memory of the flame-wars that used to break out here every year and a half or so.] Ken, you could also send a plea to the moderator(s) to pass you through without moderation. Who is/are the moderators at this point anyway? Craig *From:*framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Poshedly *Sent:* Friday, May 30, 2014 9:32 AM *To:* FrameMaker Users List *Subject:* FrameMaker graphics question I did cross-post this elsewhere because -- for whatever reason -- I don't see my infrequent posts on this list until one or two days after posting and that just doesn't work for me, ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as a...@alphabyte.co.nz. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question
I emailed a question to the moderator about this a year ago or so but never even got a reply. I have instead stopped writing to the list. -j On 2014-06-03 15:52, Craig Ede wrote: Statements like Ken's (below) argue for some loosening of the moderation of this list. It's one thing to block spammers (and troublemakers) but serious users ought to be able to post their questions without long waits and to see the answers posted by experienced users who are being moderated. [As a long-time framer I suggest this with a clear memory of the flame-wars that used to break out here every year and a half or so.] Ken, you could also send a plea to the moderator(s) to pass you through without moderation. Who is/are the moderators at this point anyway? Craig *From:*framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Poshedly *Sent:* Friday, May 30, 2014 9:32 AM *To:* FrameMaker Users List *Subject:* FrameMaker graphics question I did cross-post this elsewhere because -- for whatever reason -- I don't see my infrequent posts on this list until one or two days after posting and that just doesn't work for me, -- Johan Anglemark Tel: 0708-65 10 88 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question
I made a similar complaint about the over-moderation and delays as of late on this list, and the message was never posted to the list... as I expect this one to not be posted as well. Manual approval for every single message to the list is an outdated method. For those people who need help resolving problems in a timely manner, having to wait until the next 24- or 48-hour moderation point comes up slows down communication and resolution in both directions. On an open list, responses can be made and viewed as fast as the parties make them. With manual moderation, party A makes a request, it's actually made public up to 24 hours later. Even if someone responds with an answer, THAT response won't be seen by the originator (unless cc'd) until another 24 hours pass, thus slowing down each response cycle to as long as 48 hours. This list was not always manually processed like it is now. What brought it on, and was it approved by the list membership or unilaterally decided upon by one or two parties? For that matter, as Craig asked, who is actually in charge of this list? For the list to be effective, the communication needs to be in real time (or as close to real time as email allows). -Dan From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:52 AM To: 'Ken Poshedly'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question Statements like Ken's (below) argue for some loosening of the moderation of this list. It's one thing to block spammers (and troublemakers) but serious users ought to be able to post their questions without long waits and to see the answers posted by experienced users who are being moderated. [As a long-time framer I suggest this with a clear memory of the flame-wars that used to break out here every year and a half or so.] Ken, you could also send a plea to the moderator(s) to pass you through without moderation. Who is/are the moderators at this point anyway? Craig From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 9:32 AM To: FrameMaker Users List Subject: FrameMaker graphics question I did cross-post this elsewhere because -- for whatever reason -- I don't see my infrequent posts on this list until one or two days after posting and that just doesn't work for me, ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question
Just to let all know that I had e-mailed the list moderator either the same day or one day later (and that was what? a week ago or so?), and I still don't know why my posts are held back. -- Ken in Atlanta On Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:57 AM, Harding, Dan dhard...@illinois.edu wrote: I made a similar complaint about the over-moderation and delays as of late on this list, and the message was never posted to the list… as I expect this one to not be posted as well. Manual approval for every single message to the list is an outdated method. For those people who need help resolving problems in a timely manner, having to wait until the next 24- or 48-hour moderation point comes up slows down communication and resolution in both directions. On an open list, responses can be made and viewed as fast as the parties make them. With manual moderation, party A makes a request, it’s actually made public up to 24 hours later. Even if someone responds with an answer, THAT response won’t be seen by the originator (unless cc’d) until another 24 hours pass, thus slowing down each response cycle to as long as 48 hours. This list was not always manually processed like it is now. What brought it on, and was it approved by the list membership or unilaterally decided upon by one or two parties? For that matter, as Craig asked, who is actually in charge of this list? For the list to be effective, the communication needs to be in real time (or as close to real time as email allows). -Dan From:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:52 AM To: 'Ken Poshedly'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question Statements like Ken's (below) argue for some loosening of the moderation of this list. It's one thing to block spammers (and troublemakers) but serious users ought to be able to post their questions without long waits and to see the answers posted by experienced users who are being moderated. [As a long-time framer I suggest this with a clear memory of the flame-wars that used to break out here every year and a half or so.] Ken, you could also send a plea to the moderator(s) to pass you through without moderation. Who is/are the moderators at this point anyway? Craig From:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 9:32 AM To: FrameMaker Users List Subject: FrameMaker graphics question I did cross-post this elsewhere because -- for whatever reason -- I don't see my infrequent posts on this list until one or two days after posting and that just doesn't work for me, ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question
I USED to be unmoderated on this list but for some reason I got unlisted. About 10 years ago I wrote a pleading letter asking to be reinstated but I heard nothing . . . and my posts show up days (and days) later. -Theresa -- === Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.com === ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
