Re: Word and Frame comparisons
I recall hearing (about 10 years or so ago, things may have changed), that a lot of Microsoft's documentation was written in FrameMaker, not Word, because Word couldn't handle what they needed to do. That always amused me. I wonder if it's still the case ... On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Steve Rickaby srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk wrote: At 13:41 -0700 25/9/13, Alison Craig wrote: Word isŠ (long pause), Word isŠ (another long pause). Word is for memos. Ok, I cannot resist rising to this... Quite a few years ago, I had to prepare some assembly instructions for a mineral ore separator. The client mandated Word, probably because it was the only document preparation program they had ever heard of. The version of Word I was using had the interesting property of consigning diagrams that overflowed the page into some Byte World in the Sky: that is, as added text caused them to flow off the end of the current page, they failed to appear on the following page. I had (gasp) paid support for this version of Word, so I rang Microsoft and explained the issue. After a long pause, the M$ support person said - and I am not making this up - It sounds as if you are trying to do something that is too complex for Word [yeah, like words and pictures?] - have you thought of using FrameMaker? -- Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Word and Frame comparisons
Sadly, no. They don't document their applications anymore. Scott T. Lin Sims wrote: I recall hearing (about 10 years or so ago, things may have changed), that a lot of Microsoft's documentation was written in FrameMaker, not Word, because Word couldn't handle what they needed to do. That always amused me. I wonder if it's still the case ... On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Steve Rickaby srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk wrote: At 13:41 -0700 25/9/13, Alison Craig wrote: Word isŠ (long pause), Word isŠ (another long pause). Word is for memos. Ok, I cannot resist rising to this... Quite a few years ago, I had to prepare some assembly instructions for a mineral ore separator. The client mandated Word, probably because it was the only document preparation program they had ever heard of. The version of Word I was using had the interesting property of consigning diagrams that overflowed the page into some Byte World in the Sky: that is, as added text caused them to flow off the end of the current page, they failed to appear on the following page. I had (gasp) paid support for this version of Word, so I rang Microsoft and explained the issue. After a long pause, the M$ support person said - and I am not making this up - It sounds as if you are trying to do something that is too complex for Word [yeah, like words and pictures?] - have you thought of using FrameMaker? -- Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.com mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com mailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com mailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as qui...@airmail.net. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/quills%40airmail.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Word and Frame comparisons
At 13:41 -0700 25/9/13, Alison Craig wrote: Word is (long pause), Word is (another long pause). Word is for memos. Ok, I cannot resist rising to this... Quite a few years ago, I had to prepare some assembly instructions for a mineral ore separator. The client mandated Word, probably because it was the only document preparation program they had ever heard of. The version of Word I was using had the interesting property of consigning diagrams that overflowed the page into some Byte World in the Sky: that is, as added text caused them to flow off the end of the current page, they failed to appear on the following page. I had (gasp) paid support for this version of Word, so I rang Microsoft and explained the issue. After a long pause, the M$ support person said - and I am not making this up - It sounds as if you are trying to do something that is too complex for Word [yeah, like words and pictures?] - have you thought of using FrameMaker? -- Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Word and Frame comparisons
This is 'sort of' possible in Word. Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'. Then you only alter the design as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, then it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' style. However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 'Heading Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that heading. The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19 To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates that I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple paragraph styles in one step: (1) Create Heading1 Heading 2 Heading3 next to each other (2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph Designers (3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the paragraph style and that some of the values are set to As Is (probably font size) (4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All (5) FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to paragraphs in selected area (6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 paragraphs in one step. You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xIRecorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM To: Theresa de Valence Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons Here's a nice solution for that: http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/ On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote: Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... I have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with MS Word. In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click. Can this be done in Word? Thanks, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as alastair.d...@imgtec.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alastair.dent%40imgtec.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Word and Frame comparisons
It's been my own experience that requests (actually directives) for using only Word came from the Marketing Dept and/or others who didn't believe that Tech Pubs could do the job and demanded the ability to go in and correct things as they saw fit. And because everybody knows Word, well, that was that. (I remember looking at some of their corrections and I'm glad not to be there and take the hate calls from totally confused customers.) From: Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.com To: Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com; Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com; Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:17 AM Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons This is 'sort of' possible in Word. Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'. Then you only alter the design as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, then it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' style. However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 'Heading Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that heading. The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19 To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates that I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple paragraph styles in one step: (1) Create Heading1 Heading 2 Heading3 next to each other (2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph Designers (3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the paragraph style and that some of the values are set to As Is (probably font size) (4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All (5) FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to paragraphs in selected area (6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 paragraphs in one step. You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xI Recorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM To: Theresa de Valence Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons Here's a nice solution for that: http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/ On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote: Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... I have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with MS Word. In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click. Can this be done in Word? Thanks, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as alastair.d...@imgtec.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alastair.dent%40imgtec.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as poshe...@bellsouth.net. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/poshedly%40bellsouth.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Word and Frame comparisons
You are probably right. And when people say everybody knows Word, I tend to give this reply: The good thing about Word is that you can just open it up and start typing. The bad thing about Word is that -- you can just open it up and start typing. Corinne Kenney Sr. Technical Editor/Writer Raytheon Company From: Ken Poshedly poshe...@bellsouth.net To: Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.com; Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com; Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com; Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:04 AM Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons It's been my own experience that requests (actually directives) for using only Word came from the Marketing Dept and/or others who didn't believe that Tech Pubs could do the job and demanded the ability to go in and correct things as they saw fit. And because everybody knows Word, well, that was that. (I remember looking at some of their corrections and I'm glad not to be there and take the hate calls from totally confused customers.) From: Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.com To: Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com; Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com; Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:17 AM Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons This is 'sort of' possible in Word. Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'. Then you only alter the design as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, then it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' style. However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 'Heading Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that heading. The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19 To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates that I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple paragraph styles in one step: (1) Create Heading1 Heading 2 Heading3 next to each other (2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph Designers (3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the paragraph style and that some of the values are set to As Is (probably font size) (4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All (5) FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to paragraphs in selected area (6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 paragraphs in one step. You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann%C2%A0 blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xI Recorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM To: Theresa de Valence Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons Here's a nice solution for that: http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/ On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote: Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... I have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with MS Word. In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click. Can this be done in Word? Thanks, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as alastair.d...@imgtec.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alastair.dent%40imgtec.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as poshe...@bellsouth.net. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/poshedly%40bellsouth.net Send administrative
Re: Word and Frame comparisons
Lock up templates. Restrict access to source files. However, having said that, I'm reminded of this quote: “You can’t make anything idiot proof because idiots are so ingenious.” Nadine From: Corinne Kenney skiken...@yahoo.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 2:25:58 PM Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons You are probably right. And when people say everybody knows Word, I tend to give this reply: The good thing about Word is that you can just open it up and start typing. The bad thing about Word is that -- you can just open it up and start typing. Corinne Kenney Sr. Technical Editor/Writer Raytheon Company From: Ken Poshedly poshe...@bellsouth.net To: Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.com; Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com; Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com; Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:04 AM Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons It's been my own experience that requests (actually directives) for using only Word came from the Marketing Dept and/or others who didn't believe that Tech Pubs could do the job and demanded the ability to go in and correct things as they saw fit. And because everybody knows Word, well, that was that. (I remember looking at some of their corrections and I'm glad not to be there and take the hate calls from totally confused customers.) From: Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.com To: Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com; Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com; Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:17 AM Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons This is 'sort of' possible in Word. Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'. Then you only alter the design as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, then it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' style. However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 'Heading Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that heading. The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19 To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates that I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple paragraph styles in one step: (1) Create Heading1 Heading 2 Heading3 next to each other (2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph Designers (3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the paragraph style and that some of the values are set to As Is (probably font size) (4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All (5) FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to paragraphs in selected area (6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 paragraphs in one step. You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann- http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann%C2%A0blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xI Recorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM To: Theresa de Valence Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons Here's a nice solution for that: http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/ On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote: Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... I have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with MS Word. In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click. Can this be done in Word? Thanks, Theresa ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http
RE: Word and Frame comparisons
I took a Single Sourcing class a few years ago (before I moved from Word to Frame). When I told the instructor I was writing 400+ page manuals in Word, she replied: Word is... (long pause), Word is... (another long pause). Word is for memos. Alison Alison Craig | Technical Documentation Lead Ultrasonix | 130-4311 Viking Way | Richmond, BC V6V 2K9 | analogicultrasound.comhttp://www.analogicultrasound.com T 604-279-8550 ext 127 | F 604-279-8559 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Corinne Kenney Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 11:26 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons You are probably right. And when people say everybody knows Word, I tend to give this reply: The good thing about Word is that you can just open it up and start typing. The bad thing about Word is that -- you can just open it up and start typing. Corinne Kenney Sr. Technical Editor/Writer Raytheon Company From: Ken Poshedly poshe...@bellsouth.netmailto:poshe...@bellsouth.net To: Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.commailto:alastair.d...@imgtec.com; Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.commailto:mhoff...@adobe.com; Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.commailto:shmue...@gmail.com; Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.commailto:t...@bstw.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:04 AM Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons It's been my own experience that requests (actually directives) for using only Word came from the Marketing Dept and/or others who didn't believe that Tech Pubs could do the job and demanded the ability to go in and correct things as they saw fit. And because everybody knows Word, well, that was that. (I remember looking at some of their corrections and I'm glad not to be there and take the hate calls from totally confused customers.) From: Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.commailto:alastair.d...@imgtec.com To: Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.commailto:mhoff...@adobe.com; Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.commailto:shmue...@gmail.com; Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.commailto:t...@bstw.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:17 AM Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons This is 'sort of' possible in Word. Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'. Then you only alter the design as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, then it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' style. However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 'Heading Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that heading. The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19 To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates that I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple paragraph styles in one step: (1) Create Heading1 Heading 2 Heading3 next to each other (2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph Designers (3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the paragraph style and that some of the values are set to As Is (probably font size) (4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All (5) FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to paragraphs in selected area (6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 paragraphs in one step. You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.commailto:mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann%C2%A0 blogs.adobe.com/techcommhttp://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xIRecorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM To: Theresa de Valence Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject
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Believe me I have said that as an instructor AND a user! As someone who lost, multiple times (and, of course, right at the due date) 300 page documents, I swore that if I ever had to do that kind of work in Word again, I would charge at least 5 times the normal price! On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.comwrote: I took a Single Sourcing class a few years ago (before I moved from Word to Frame). When I told the instructor I was writing 400+ page manuals in Word, she replied: ** ** “Word is… (long pause), Word is… (another long pause). Word is for memos.” ** ** Alison ** ** *Alison Craig | Technical Documentation Lead * Ultrasonix | 130-4311 Viking Way | Richmond, BC V6V 2K9 | analogicultrasound.com http://www.analogicultrasound.com *T 604-279-8550 ext 127 | F 604-279-8559** * ** ** *From:* framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Corinne Kenney *Sent:* Wednesday, September 25, 2013 11:26 AM *To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com *Subject:* Re: Word and Frame comparisons ** ** You are probably right. And when people say everybody knows Word, I tend to give this reply: The good thing about Word is that you can just open it up and start typing. The bad thing about Word is that -- you can just open it up and start typing. Corinne Kenney Sr. Technical Editor/Writer Raytheon Company ** ** *From:* Ken Poshedly poshe...@bellsouth.net *To:* Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.com; Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com; Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com; Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.com *Cc:* framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:04 AM *Subject:* Re: Word and Frame comparisons ** ** It's been my own experience that requests (actually directives) for using only Word came from the Marketing Dept and/or others who didn't believe that Tech Pubs could do the job and demanded the ability to go in and correct things as they saw fit. And because everybody knows Word, well, that was that. (I remember looking at some of their corrections and I'm glad not to be there and take the hate calls from totally confused customers.) ** ** ** ** *From:* Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.com *To:* Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com; Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com; Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.com *Cc:* framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com *Sent:* Monday, September 23, 2013 5:17 AM *Subject:* RE: Word and Frame comparisons This is 'sort of' possible in Word. Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'. Then you only alter the design as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, then it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' style. However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 'Heading Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that heading. The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19 To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates that I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple paragraph styles in one step: (1) Create Heading1 Heading 2 Heading3 next to each other (2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph Designers (3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the paragraph style and that some of the values are set to As Is (probably font size) (4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All (5) FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to paragraphs in selected area (6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 paragraphs in one step. You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann- http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann%C2%A0 blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xIRecorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM To: Theresa de Valence Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons Here's a nice solution for that: http
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So right. So darn right! The solution is, in fact, the problem. From: Corinne Kenney skiken...@yahoo.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 2:25 PM Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons You are probably right. And when people say everybody knows Word, I tend to give this reply: The good thing about Word is that you can just open it up and start typing. The bad thing about Word is that -- you can just open it up and start typing. Corinne Kenney Sr. Technical Editor/Writer Raytheon Company From: Ken Poshedly poshe...@bellsouth.net To: Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.com; Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com; Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com; Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:04 AM Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons It's been my own experience that requests (actually directives) for using only Word came from the Marketing Dept and/or others who didn't believe that Tech Pubs could do the job and demanded the ability to go in and correct things as they saw fit. And because everybody knows Word, well, that was that. (I remember looking at some of their corrections and I'm glad not to be there and take the hate calls from totally confused customers.) From: Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.com To: Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com; Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com; Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:17 AM Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons This is 'sort of' possible in Word. Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'. Then you only alter the design as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, then it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' style. However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 'Heading Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that heading. The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19 To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates that I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple paragraph styles in one step: (1) Create Heading1 Heading 2 Heading3 next to each other (2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph Designers (3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the paragraph style and that some of the values are set to As Is (probably font size) (4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All (5) FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to paragraphs in selected area (6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 paragraphs in one step. You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann%C2%A0 blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xI Recorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM To: Theresa de Valence Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons Here's a nice solution for that: http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/ On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote: Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... I have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with MS Word. In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click. Can this be done in Word? Thanks, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as alastair.d...@imgtec.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alastair.dent%40imgtec.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as poshe...@bellsouth.net. Send list
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I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates that I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple paragraph styles in one step: (1) Create Heading1 Heading 2 Heading3 next to each other (2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph Designers (3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the paragraph style and that some of the values are set to As Is (probably font size) (4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All (5) FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to paragraphs in selected area (6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 paragraphs in one step. You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xIRecorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM To: Theresa de Valence Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons Here's a nice solution for that: http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/ On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote: Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... I have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with MS Word. In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click. Can this be done in Word? Thanks, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Word and Frame comparisons
Here's a nice solution for that: http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/ On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote: Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... I have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with MS Word. In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click. Can this be done in Word? Thanks, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. . ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Word and Frame comparisons
The answer is yes and no. *If* the paragraph has a specific style assigned to it, you can return the paragraph formatting to that of the defined style by pressing Ctrl+Q. And if you have the whole paragraph selected, you can return all the characters to the default formatting for the paragraph style by pressing Ctrl+Spacebar. But if the document uses locally formatted Normal style, all you'll get by using these keystrokes is the equivalent of plain text. -Fred Ridder Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:04:25 -0500 From: t...@bstw.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Word and Frame comparisons Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... I have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with MS Word. In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click. Can this be done in Word? Thanks, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.