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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF [No Classification]

2021-08-23 Thread rick

No. I tried software to convert the equations to images but a lot of them
blew up and were urecognizable.

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Hey Rick, Did this ever go anywhere w/ you at all? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF [No Classification]

2021-08-23 Thread tammyvb

Hey Rick, Did this ever go anywhere w/ you at all? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van
Boening Principal/Owner Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF [No Classification]

2021-08-09 Thread rick

Please send me one of your Word documents offlist. Thanks.


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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF [No Classification]

2021-08-09 Thread tammyvb

Hey Rick, Holy cr*p. That would be awesome. Let me know if you have time to
talk. This would so be worth scripting (the extraction part). TVB Tammy Van
Boening Principal/Owner Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com
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Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF [No Classification] That might
be worth exploring. I did find a word add-on that converts all equations to
images. If the image quality can be controlled on export from Word, this may
be the way to go. Or, this may work: 1) Convert equations to images. 2)
Convert Word to PDF. 3) Extract images from the PDF. -Original
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF [No Classification]

2021-08-09 Thread rick

That might be worth exploring. I did find a word add-on that converts all
equations to images. If the image quality can be controlled on export from
Word, this may be the way to go. Or, this may work:

1) Convert equations to images.
2) Convert Word to PDF.
3) Extract images from the PDF.

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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF [No Classification]

2021-08-09 Thread Mitchell, Richard (NNPPI)

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I you want to use an option that will manipulate graphics from Word have you 
tried inserting the equation into a graphic frame so that Word thinks it is a 
graphic?

Thanks

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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-08 Thread Shmuel Wolfson

David Schor once recommencement the following Adobe Acrobat Distiller 
options for clearer graphics in PDFs:
In the PDF Settings (Job Options in earlier Acrobat Distiller versions) 
Images configuration, turn off Downsampling and set compression to ZIP.


Hope this helps.

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On 06-Aug-21 1:32 AM, tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com wrote:


I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations are being
created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation editor. The .docx
file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the equations in the
document are automatically saved as .pngs in a separate folder named as
image.(n), where n is the image number.  I double-click an equation in this
folder to automatically open the equation in my image editor (SnagIT - I
don't need anything as heavy as Photoshop as I am not doing any
modifications to the equations) and save the equation without any changes to
it whatsoever with a new name. I then import the image into Framemaker by
reference.   I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I select it for
import - any image in the folder that was created during the saving of the
Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog box when
I select it for import and although this seems nutty to me (because none of
the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and crisp in the source FM
file (The Advanced Properties of any image in SnagIT is also showing a
resolution of 96 dpi);  however, upon generation of the PDF, it goes to h*ll
in a handbasket. The equation looks almost as if the font is almost bold and
therefore much darker than the text in the FM source file, and it's not
nearly as crisp and clear as in the source FM document - it actually looks
blurry/pixelated.

  


Initially, the font that was  being used in the equations is Cambria Math,
Size 14 with a default color of black without any lightening of the color.
(The font that is being used in the book is also set to a default color of
black without any lightening of the color.) I tried lightening the font
color by different percentages in the Word document and then regenerated the
equations as graphics, and that helps a bit, but overall, these graphics are
just not nearly as crisp as they need to be in the final PDF.  Any other
graphics that were taken as a capture and then imported by reference as  PNG
are as crisp as I am used to in FM.

  

  


I am just at a loss for how to get this cleared up, but it's absolutely
mandatory that I get this problem resolved because the whole focus of the
book is the equations.

  


Any thoughts are sincerely appreciated.

  


TVB

  

  

  


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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-07 Thread Peter Gold

First principles -- Any chance that a particular Word -> PDF export option
could help?

On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, 1:54 PM tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com <
tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:

> Yea. It was one of the first things that Rick had me try
>
> we saved the word document to a PDF and opened it up and the equations
> aren’t being recognized as an image they’re being recognized as text.
>
> I appreciate all the thoughts and input it really does help maybe we will
> eventually stumble on some thing though
>
> Sent from my iPhone. Pardon the typos.
>
> > On Aug 6, 2021, at 10:37 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> >
> > I think I mentioned it, earlier, but I no longer recall if Tammy tried
> it
> > or not.
> >
> >> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:20 PM Peter Gold  >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ummm... I thought about going outside the box and searched the web for
> >> extracting images from PDF. One of the interesting results suggested
> using
> >> Export all images from within Acrobat. Of course, one needs to start by
> >> saving or exporting the Word source document to PDF. I don't have a
> running
> >> version of FM to import an exported TIFF, JPG, or PNG and evaluate the
> >> result. Could be worth a try. IIRC, this isn't one of the methods you've
> >> mentioned.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-07 Thread tammyvb spectrumwritingllc . com

Yea. It was one of the first things that Rick had me try

we saved the word document to a PDF and opened it up and the equations aren’t 
being recognized as an image they’re being recognized as text.

I appreciate all the thoughts and input it really does help maybe we will 
eventually stumble on some thing though

Sent from my iPhone. Pardon the typos.

> On Aug 6, 2021, at 10:37 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> 
> I think I mentioned it, earlier, but I no longer recall if Tammy tried it
> or not.
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:20 PM Peter Gold 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ummm... I thought about going outside the box and searched the web for
>> extracting images from PDF. One of the interesting results suggested using
>> Export all images from within Acrobat. Of course, one needs to start by
>> saving or exporting the Word source document to PDF. I don't have a running
>> version of FM to import an exported TIFF, JPG, or PNG and evaluate the
>> result. Could be worth a try. IIRC, this isn't one of the methods you've
>> mentioned.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-07 Thread Sue Thomson

Reading Rick’s reply makes me wonder: if you can’t change the resolution, can 
you change the font size of the original text? Maybe if you make the font 
significantly bigger you can shrink down the *.png so that it is more readable.


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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread Lin Sims

I think I mentioned it, earlier, but I no longer recall if Tammy tried it
or not.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:20 PM Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Ummm... I thought about going outside the box and searched the web for
> extracting images from PDF. One of the interesting results suggested using
> Export all images from within Acrobat. Of course, one needs to start by
> saving or exporting the Word source document to PDF. I don't have a running
> version of FM to import an exported TIFF, JPG, or PNG and evaluate the
> result. Could be worth a try. IIRC, this isn't one of the methods you've
> mentioned.
>
>
>

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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread Peter Gold

Ummm... I thought about going outside the box and searched the web for
extracting images from PDF. One of the interesting results suggested using
Export all images from within Acrobat. Of course, one needs to start by
saving or exporting the Word source document to PDF. I don't have a running
version of FM to import an exported TIFF, JPG, or PNG and evaluate the
result. Could be worth a try. IIRC, this isn't one of the methods you've
mentioned.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 4:48 PM  wrote:

> So, here's the low down: 1.) For the Word doc that contains the equations:
> >
> In Word, under File / Options / Advanced / Image Size and Quality, I
> selected "Do Not Compress Images in File" and changed the default output to
> High fidelity. 2.) I then saved the doc as an htm/html file and followed
> the
> instructions: In the Save As dialog box, Tools / Web Options / Pictures,
> choose a screen size in higher quality such as 1920 x 1200 and set pixels
> per inch to 120 ppi. 3.) After the file was saved and the PNGs extracted, I
> selected a couple of equations and imported them into my FM document, but .
> . . for some of these equations, 120 ppi made them incredibly small (some
> equations are very simple and small is not so good, and some are very
> complicated and small is good. They run the gamut), but I went ahead and
> left them as-is. 4.) I made sure to use the High Quality Print job option
> that I had modified ONLY to embed selected fonts (I did not change any of
> the other options). 5.) I printed the file to .ps in a watched folder,
> which
> was then distilled to a PDF. Looking at the file: Definitely much more
> clear
> than w/out selecting all these options, but if the equation contained
> subscripts or superscripts that had descenders (for example, the word
> "drainage" w/ "g" having a descender), then that part of the font was
> blurry
> or cut off altogether. The same thing happened when saving straight to HTML
> w/out all these options and I figured the lack of resolution of the images
> was the culprit. I was hoping that by selecting these options that this
> issue would be alleviated, but alas, it does not appear to be the case.
> It's
> obviously something about how Word saves equations to PNGs that I have
> absolutely NO control over - it doesn't neatly save the descenders for any
> superscript or subscript at all. With the vector image, that is not an
> issue. And for grins and giggles, I downloaded a trial of MathType and
> created a simple equation with a subscript that had a descender and saved
> the file as an .gif, and the same problem occurred - not as blatant,
> albeit,
> but still there. So, I guess the moral of this story is equations do not
> like to be converted to a rasterized image and pounding them into
> submission
> via the vector approach that I described gives me the clarity that I need
> in
> my final PDF output. This list still rocks and I couldn't survive without
> it. Y'all don't know how much I appreciate you and being able to be a
> member
> of this community. TGIF!!! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at
> spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original
> Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August 6,
> 2021 2:19 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF I did a
> quick trial run. For whatever reason, converting to html provided TWO PNG
> files, one that had a good quality and one that was just miserable. The
> good
> quality one is still raster, not vector, but it looked pretty good up to
> about 400% or so. On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 4:16 PM Peter Gold wrote: > Lin
> harnessed the Force using Yoda-wisdom: "The sound of the right > answer
> comes from asking the right question! " > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, 3:08 PM
> Lin
> Sims wrote: > > > I think I found the answer for how to get the PNG files
> to
> a higher > > quality: > > > > > > - > > > > In Word, under File / Options /
> Advanced / Image Size and > > Quality, > check > > "Do Not Compress Images
> in File" and change the default output to High > > fidelity. > > - > > > >
> In the Save As dialog box, Tools / Web Options / Pictures, choose a > >
> screen size in higher quality such as 1920x1200 and set pixels > > per >
> inch > > to > > 120 ppi. > > > > > > This is from: > > > > >
> https://superuser.com/questions/1282555/saving-word-file-as-html-decre >
> ases-quality-of-equations > > > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 3:46 PM wrote: > >
> > >

Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread tammyvb

So, here's the low down: 1.) For the Word doc that contains the equations: >
In Word, under File / Options / Advanced / Image Size and Quality, I
selected "Do Not Compress Images in File" and changed the default output to
High fidelity. 2.) I then saved the doc as an htm/html file and followed the
instructions: In the Save As dialog box, Tools / Web Options / Pictures,
choose a screen size in higher quality such as 1920 x 1200 and set pixels
per inch to 120 ppi. 3.) After the file was saved and the PNGs extracted, I
selected a couple of equations and imported them into my FM document, but .
. . for some of these equations, 120 ppi made them incredibly small (some
equations are very simple and small is not so good, and some are very
complicated and small is good. They run the gamut), but I went ahead and
left them as-is. 4.) I made sure to use the High Quality Print job option
that I had modified ONLY to embed selected fonts (I did not change any of
the other options). 5.) I printed the file to .ps in a watched folder, which
was then distilled to a PDF. Looking at the file: Definitely much more clear
than w/out selecting all these options, but if the equation contained
subscripts or superscripts that had descenders (for example, the word
"drainage" w/ "g" having a descender), then that part of the font was blurry
or cut off altogether. The same thing happened when saving straight to HTML
w/out all these options and I figured the lack of resolution of the images
was the culprit. I was hoping that by selecting these options that this
issue would be alleviated, but alas, it does not appear to be the case. It's
obviously something about how Word saves equations to PNGs that I have
absolutely NO control over - it doesn't neatly save the descenders for any
superscript or subscript at all. With the vector image, that is not an
issue. And for grins and giggles, I downloaded a trial of MathType and
created a simple equation with a subscript that had a descender and saved
the file as an .gif, and the same problem occurred - not as blatant, albeit,
but still there. So, I guess the moral of this story is equations do not
like to be converted to a rasterized image and pounding them into submission
via the vector approach that I described gives me the clarity that I need in
my final PDF output. This list still rocks and I couldn't survive without
it. Y'all don't know how much I appreciate you and being able to be a member
of this community. TGIF!!! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at
spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original
Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August 6,
2021 2:19 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF I did a
quick trial run. For whatever reason, converting to html provided TWO PNG
files, one that had a good quality and one that was just miserable. The good
quality one is still raster, not vector, but it looked pretty good up to
about 400% or so. On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 4:16 PM Peter Gold wrote: > Lin
harnessed the Force using Yoda-wisdom: "The sound of the right > answer
comes from asking the right question! " > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, 3:08 PM Lin
Sims wrote: > > > I think I found the answer for how to get the PNG files to
a higher > > quality: > > > > > > - > > > > In Word, under File / Options /
Advanced / Image Size and > > Quality, > check > > "Do Not Compress Images
in File" and change the default output to High > > fidelity. > > - > > > >
In the Save As dialog box, Tools / Web Options / Pictures, choose a > >
screen size in higher quality such as 1920x1200 and set pixels > > per >
inch > > to > > 120 ppi. > > > > > > This is from: > > > > >
https://superuser.com/questions/1282555/saving-word-file-as-html-decre >
ases-quality-of-equations > > > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 3:46 PM wrote: > >
> > > Here is a summary of the issue: > > > > > > Equations originate from
the client in MS Word. > > > > > > Tammy wants to save the equations as
images for import into FrameMaker. > > > > > > The fastest way to do this is
to save the Word file as HTML > > > because it rasterizes the equations as
PNG files for inclusion in > > > the HTML. The problem is that the
resolution of these rasterized > > > PNG files is 96 dpi, which > is > > >
suitable for the web, but not for print. We can't see a way to > > >
increase > > the > > > resolution in the Word rasterization process. > > > >
> > > > -- > > Lin Sims > > ___
> > > > T

Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain

For reference, PNG is _always_ a "raster" (a lossless, color bitmap), it is not 
a vector format at all. 

In general, for raster images, JPEG is decent to good for photographs only. If 
you want to keep lines and font "straight" (for example for business graphics 
and text, etc.) without any random pixel artifacts, then PNG is the right 
format for these. 

The quality of the bitmap (from vectors, fonts, etc.) is related to 
rasterization process settings (i.e., whatever internal conversion process is 
used for the equations in this case). 

Z

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

I did a quick trial run. For whatever reason, converting to html provided TWO 
PNG files, one that had a good quality and one that was just miserable.
The good quality one is still raster, not vector, but it looked pretty good up 
to about 400% or so.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 4:16 PM Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Lin harnessed the Force using Yoda-wisdom: "The sound of the right 
> answer comes from asking the right question! "
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, 3:08 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
>
> > I think I found the answer for how to get the PNG files to a higher
> > quality:
> >
> >
> >-
> >
> >In Word, under File / Options / Advanced / Image Size and 
> > Quality,
> check
> >"Do Not Compress Images in File" and change the default output to High
> >fidelity.
> >-
> >
> >In the Save As dialog box, Tools / Web Options / Pictures, choose a
> >screen size in higher quality such as 1920x1200 and set pixels 
> > per
> inch
> > to
> >120 ppi.
> >
> >
> > This is from:
> >
> >
> https://superuser.com/questions/1282555/saving-word-file-as-html-decre
> ases-quality-of-equations
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 3:46 PM  wrote:
> >
> > > Here is a summary of the issue:
> > >
> > > Equations originate from the client in MS Word.
> > >
> > > Tammy wants to save the equations as images for import into FrameMaker.
> > >
> > > The fastest way to do this is to save the Word file as HTML 
> > > because it rasterizes the equations as PNG files for inclusion in 
> > > the HTML. The problem is that the resolution of these rasterized 
> > > PNG files is 96 dpi, which
> is
> > > suitable for the web, but not for print. We can't see a way to 
> > > increase
> > the
> > > resolution in the Word rasterization process.
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread tammyvb

Hi Lin, Yep, I noticed that as well - I would get two images, one miserable
and one good and I had no idea as to why. I will try this and let you know
ASAP. OMG - thank you! Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at
spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original
Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August 6,
2021 2:19 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF I did a
quick trial run. For whatever reason, converting to html provided TWO PNG
files, one that had a good quality and one that was just miserable. The good
quality one is still raster, not vector, but it looked pretty good up to
about 400% or so. On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 4:16 PM Peter Gold wrote: > Lin
harnessed the Force using Yoda-wisdom: "The sound of the right > answer
comes from asking the right question! " > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, 3:08 PM Lin
Sims wrote: > > > I think I found the answer for how to get the PNG files to
a higher > > quality: > > > > > > - > > > > In Word, under File / Options /
Advanced / Image Size and > > Quality, > check > > "Do Not Compress Images
in File" and change the default output to High > > fidelity. > > - > > > >
In the Save As dialog box, Tools / Web Options / Pictures, choose a > >
screen size in higher quality such as 1920x1200 and set pixels > > per >
inch > > to > > 120 ppi. > > > > > > This is from: > > > > >
https://superuser.com/questions/1282555/saving-word-file-as-html-decre >
ases-quality-of-equations > > > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 3:46 PM wrote: > >
> > > Here is a summary of the issue: > > > > > > Equations originate from
the client in MS Word. > > > > > > Tammy wants to save the equations as
images for import into FrameMaker. > > > > > > The fastest way to do this is
to save the Word file as HTML > > > because it rasterizes the equations as
PNG files for inclusion in > > > the HTML. The problem is that the
resolution of these rasterized > > > PNG files is 96 dpi, which > is > > >
suitable for the web, but not for print. We can't see a way to > > >
increase > > the > > > resolution in the Word rasterization process. > > > >
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread Lin Sims

I did a quick trial run. For whatever reason, converting to html provided
TWO PNG files, one that had a good quality and one that was just miserable.
The good quality one is still raster, not vector, but it looked pretty good
up to about 400% or so.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 4:16 PM Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Lin harnessed the Force using Yoda-wisdom: "The sound of the right answer
> comes from asking the right question! "
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, 3:08 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
>
> > I think I found the answer for how to get the PNG files to a higher
> > quality:
> >
> >
> >-
> >
> >In Word, under File / Options / Advanced / Image Size and Quality,
> check
> >"Do Not Compress Images in File" and change the default output to High
> >fidelity.
> >-
> >
> >In the Save As dialog box, Tools / Web Options / Pictures, choose a
> >screen size in higher quality such as 1920x1200 and set pixels per
> inch
> > to
> >120 ppi.
> >
> >
> > This is from:
> >
> >
> https://superuser.com/questions/1282555/saving-word-file-as-html-decreases-quality-of-equations
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 3:46 PM  wrote:
> >
> > > Here is a summary of the issue:
> > >
> > > Equations originate from the client in MS Word.
> > >
> > > Tammy wants to save the equations as images for import into FrameMaker.
> > >
> > > The fastest way to do this is to save the Word file as HTML because it
> > > rasterizes the equations as PNG files for inclusion in the HTML. The
> > > problem
> > > is that the resolution of these rasterized PNG files is 96 dpi, which
> is
> > > suitable for the web, but not for print. We can't see a way to increase
> > the
> > > resolution in the Word rasterization process.
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread Peter Gold

Lin harnessed the Force using Yoda-wisdom: "The sound of the right answer
comes from asking the right question! "

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, 3:08 PM Lin Sims  wrote:

> I think I found the answer for how to get the PNG files to a higher
> quality:
>
>
>-
>
>In Word, under File / Options / Advanced / Image Size and Quality, check
>"Do Not Compress Images in File" and change the default output to High
>fidelity.
>-
>
>In the Save As dialog box, Tools / Web Options / Pictures, choose a
>screen size in higher quality such as 1920x1200 and set pixels per inch
> to
>120 ppi.
>
>
> This is from:
>
> https://superuser.com/questions/1282555/saving-word-file-as-html-decreases-quality-of-equations
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 3:46 PM  wrote:
>
> > Here is a summary of the issue:
> >
> > Equations originate from the client in MS Word.
> >
> > Tammy wants to save the equations as images for import into FrameMaker.
> >
> > The fastest way to do this is to save the Word file as HTML because it
> > rasterizes the equations as PNG files for inclusion in the HTML. The
> > problem
> > is that the resolution of these rasterized PNG files is 96 dpi, which is
> > suitable for the web, but not for print. We can't see a way to increase
> the
> > resolution in the Word rasterization process.
> >
> >
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread Lin Sims

I think I found the answer for how to get the PNG files to a higher quality:


   -

   In Word, under File / Options / Advanced / Image Size and Quality, check
   "Do Not Compress Images in File" and change the default output to High
   fidelity.
   -

   In the Save As dialog box, Tools / Web Options / Pictures, choose a
   screen size in higher quality such as 1920x1200 and set pixels per inch to
   120 ppi.


This is from:
https://superuser.com/questions/1282555/saving-word-file-as-html-decreases-quality-of-equations

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 3:46 PM  wrote:

> Here is a summary of the issue:
>
> Equations originate from the client in MS Word.
>
> Tammy wants to save the equations as images for import into FrameMaker.
>
> The fastest way to do this is to save the Word file as HTML because it
> rasterizes the equations as PNG files for inclusion in the HTML. The
> problem
> is that the resolution of these rasterized PNG files is 96 dpi, which is
> suitable for the web, but not for print. We can't see a way to increase the
> resolution in the Word rasterization process.
>
>
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread rick

Here is a summary of the issue:

Equations originate from the client in MS Word.

Tammy wants to save the equations as images for import into FrameMaker.

The fastest way to do this is to save the Word file as HTML because it
rasterizes the equations as PNG files for inclusion in the HTML. The problem
is that the resolution of these rasterized PNG files is 96 dpi, which is
suitable for the web, but not for print. We can't see a way to increase the
resolution in the Word rasterization process.

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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain

I have been reading this thread with some interest, but remain confused about 
one thing. 

As I understand (perhaps incorrectly?), since the equation "source" that is 
brought into FrameMaker is a PNG image (right?), _all_ knowledge of fonts, 
text, equation info, etc. is really not in there. 

I.e., PNG's are just loss-less bit-maps without any such context details!

So, if viewing it as an image within FrameMaker looks good, then there is 
_probably_ some issue with the FM conversion/printing/process of going from PNG 
--> PDF that needs to be figured out?

I would also look at the "staying at 96 dpi" for the PNG input - this is 
typical for web displays and the like (although somewhat low for today's 
high-res monitors). 

Perhaps, using a higher DPI original (without simply interpolating from a 96 
dpi original) may fix the crispness and detail issues noted? 

Meaning that I think that looking at the Word originals is not vital per se, I 
would think ... other than perhaps checking for a setting that selects higher 
DPI values for PNG creation from the equations.

This is a complete SWAG, of course!

Z

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Subject: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations are being 
created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation editor. The .docx 
file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the equations in the document 
are automatically saved as .pngs in a separate folder named as image.(n), where 
n is the image number.  I double-click an equation in this folder to 
automatically open the equation in my image editor (SnagIT - I don't need 
anything as heavy as Photoshop as I am not doing any modifications to the 
equations) and save the equation without any changes to it whatsoever with a 
new name. I then import the image into Framemaker by
reference.   I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I select it for
import - any image in the folder that was created during the saving of the Word 
file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog box when I select 
it for import and although this seems nutty to me (because none of the images 
are over-sized). . . they look clear and crisp in the source FM file (The 
Advanced Properties of any image in SnagIT is also showing a resolution of 96 
dpi);  however, upon generation of the PDF, it goes to h*ll in a handbasket. 
The equation looks almost as if the font is almost bold and therefore much 
darker than the text in the FM source file, and it's not nearly as crisp and 
clear as in the source FM document - it actually looks blurry/pixelated.

 

Initially, the font that was  being used in the equations is Cambria Math, Size 
14 with a default color of black without any lightening of the color.
(The font that is being used in the book is also set to a default color of 
black without any lightening of the color.) I tried lightening the font color 
by different percentages in the Word document and then regenerated the 
equations as graphics, and that helps a bit, but overall, these graphics are 
just not nearly as crisp as they need to be in the final PDF.  Any other 
graphics that were taken as a capture and then imported by reference as  PNG 
are as crisp as I am used to in FM. 

 

 

I am just at a loss for how to get this cleared up, but it's absolutely 
mandatory that I get this problem resolved because the whole focus of the book 
is the equations.

 

Any thoughts are sincerely appreciated.

 

TVB

 

 

 

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Principal/Owner

Spectrum Writing, LLC

www.spectrumwritingllc.com  

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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread Robert Lauriston

Sounds like you don't have High Quality Print selected in the PDF settings.

https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2015/using/using-framemaker-2015/frm_generating_output/Configure_PDF_settings-.htm

On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 3:32 PM  wrote:
>
> ...  I then import the image into Framemaker by
> reference. ... they look clear and crisp in the source FM
> file ...;  however, upon generation of the PDF ... The equation looks almost 
> as if the font is almost bold and
> therefore much darker than the text in the FM source file, and it's not
> nearly as crisp and clear as in the source FM document - it actually looks
> blurry/pixelated. ...
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread tammyvb

Hi Lin,

That is a brilliant idea. Let me forward this on to Rick.

See, I knew this list would think of something to try!

Thank you!

TVB


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 On
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

What I was thinking was import the one RTF file into FrameMaker, then save
the graphics out since once it's in Frame it's a PNG. Someone like Rick
Quatro or Russ Ward or Bernard Aschwanden probably has a script that does
that already, or can write one for not too much money.

Although from the point of wanting a vector graphic, Rick's workaround is
obviously a better solution and probably about equally tedious. :)

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Good luck. I'm sorry we haven't been able to come up with anything beyond a
really, really manual solution so far.


On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 1:55 PM  wrote:

> Hi Lin, No worries about your instructions. I am still kinda' in the 
> same boat in that the equations are all in one great big file, so I 
> would have to make multiple files to import as RTF. Where can I find 
> this Word-PC list?
> Do
> you have a website/link at all? And thank you so much! TVB Tammy Van 
> Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com 
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: Framers On 
> Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 11:49 AM To: An email 
> list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: 
> [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF As another 
> thought, you might try posting to the Word-PC email list and see if 
> anyone has a suggestion for how to get the equations OUT of Word in a 
> format you can use? On Fri, Aug 6,
> 2021 at 1:45 PM Lin Sims wrote: > I saved to RTF and then imported the 
> RTF into FrameMaker. The result > in FrameMaker was a PNG. > > I'm 
> sorry, I think I didn't make that clear before. :( > > On Fri, Aug 6, 
> 2021 at 12:29 PM wrote: > >> Hi Lin, OK, just saved one of the 
> equation docs to RTF and nada, zip, >> zilch. >> . . the equations 
> were not converted to PNGs. They remained as equations. >> It's just a
simple save to RTF, right? GRR . . .
> Tammy Van Boening >> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot 
> com >> www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: 
> Framers >> On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: >> Friday, >> August 6, 2021 
> 9:26 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe >> FrameMaker 
> software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in >> the 
> generated PDF Well, that sucks. If it's any help, when Word >> 
> converts to RTF, the equations are turned into PNGs. It should be >> 
> possible to save them out separately. I think. Never had to do
> >> something like that with Word. Also, you can export images only 
> >> from >>
> the PDF file to PNG, JPEG, JPEG2000, and TIFF formats. >> Again, don't 
> know if that'll be useful, but I offer it as something >> to consider. 
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:10 AM wrote: > Hi Lin, Thank >> you for the 
> approach. The extra rub is that I need to > produce >> another 
> document that uses the exact same equations but w/out > all >> the 
> text of this current guide >> - basically, just an appendix of > 
> equations, so I need to be able to >> share them among multiple files. 
> I > was trying to write once in Word >> and save to PNG so that I 
> could > obviously import by reference into >> multiple documents and 
> have just > one location (the Word document) >> where I would maintain 
> updates. > Compliments of Ric, I have a >> variation of this w/ saving 
> the Word doc > to a PDF, cropping the >> document to get the equation 
> that I need as a > PDF and importing as >> a PDF. Yes, very tedious, 
> but at least I can > share among multiple >> files and as w/ your 
> approach, I now have vector > files for the >> images, not rasterized 
> files, so they remain crisp and > clear no >> matter the zoom level in 
> the PDF. (So you and Ric were on the > same >> page- great minds do 
> think alike!) I just wish there was a way to > >> automate this, but 
> for now, I will plow through unless someone comes >> > up w/ a 
> different approach. Thank you again! TVB Tammy Van Boening >> > Tammy 
> dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > >> 
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -

Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread Lin Sims

What I was thinking was import the one RTF file into FrameMaker, then save
the graphics out since once it's in Frame it's a PNG. Someone like Rick
Quatro or Russ Ward or Bernard Aschwanden probably has a script that does
that already, or can write one for not too much money.

Although from the point of wanting a vector graphic, Rick's workaround is
obviously a better solution and probably about equally tedious. :)

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word-pc-subscribe-requ...@liverpool.ac.uk

You don't have to put anything in the subject or message body.

Good luck. I'm sorry we haven't been able to come up with anything beyond a
really, really manual solution so far.


On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 1:55 PM  wrote:

> Hi Lin, No worries about your instructions. I am still kinda' in the same
> boat in that the equations are all in one great big file, so I would have
> to
> make multiple files to import as RTF. Where can I find this Word-PC list?
> Do
> you have a website/link at all? And thank you so much! TVB Tammy Van
> Boening
> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: Framers On
> Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 11:49 AM To: An email list
> for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers]
> Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF As another thought, you might
> try posting to the Word-PC email list and see if anyone has a suggestion
> for
> how to get the equations OUT of Word in a format you can use? On Fri, Aug
> 6,
> 2021 at 1:45 PM Lin Sims wrote: > I saved to RTF and then imported the RTF
> into FrameMaker. The result > in FrameMaker was a PNG. > > I'm sorry, I
> think I didn't make that clear before. :( > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 12:29
> PM wrote: > >> Hi Lin, OK, just saved one of the equation docs to RTF and
> nada, zip, >> zilch. >> . . the equations were not converted to PNGs. They
> remained as equations. >> It's just a simple save to RTF, right? GRR . . .
> Tammy Van Boening >> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com >>
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: Framers >> On
> Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: >> Friday, >> August 6, 2021 9:26 AM To: An email
> list for people using Adobe >> FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers]
> Appearance of graphics in >> the generated PDF Well, that sucks. If it's
> any
> help, when Word >> converts to RTF, the equations are turned into PNGs. It
> should be >> possible to save them out separately. I think. Never had to do
> >> something like that with Word. Also, you can export images only from >>
> the PDF file to PNG, JPEG, JPEG2000, and TIFF formats. >> Again, don't know
> if that'll be useful, but I offer it as something >> to consider. On Fri,
> Aug 6, 2021 at 11:10 AM wrote: > Hi Lin, Thank >> you for the approach. The
> extra rub is that I need to > produce >> another document that uses the
> exact same equations but w/out > all >> the text of this current guide >> -
> basically, just an appendix of > equations, so I need to be able to >>
> share
> them among multiple files. I > was trying to write once in Word >> and save
> to PNG so that I could > obviously import by reference into >> multiple
> documents and have just > one location (the Word document) >> where I would
> maintain updates. > Compliments of Ric, I have a >> variation of this w/
> saving the Word doc > to a PDF, cropping the >> document to get the
> equation
> that I need as a > PDF and importing as >> a PDF. Yes, very tedious, but at
> least I can > share among multiple >> files and as w/ your approach, I now
> have vector > files for the >> images, not rasterized files, so they remain
> crisp and > clear no >> matter the zoom level in the PDF. (So you and Ric
> were on the > same >> page- great minds do think alike!) I just wish there
> was a way to > >> automate this, but for now, I will plow through unless
> someone comes >> > up w/ a different approach. Thank you again! TVB Tammy
> Van Boening >> > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > >>
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -- Lin Sims >>
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread tammyvb

Hi Lin, No worries about your instructions. I am still kinda' in the same
boat in that the equations are all in one great big file, so I would have to
make multiple files to import as RTF. Where can I find this Word-PC list? Do
you have a website/link at all? And thank you so much! TVB Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: Framers On
Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 11:49 AM To: An email list
for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers]
Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF As another thought, you might
try posting to the Word-PC email list and see if anyone has a suggestion for
how to get the equations OUT of Word in a format you can use? On Fri, Aug 6,
2021 at 1:45 PM Lin Sims wrote: > I saved to RTF and then imported the RTF
into FrameMaker. The result > in FrameMaker was a PNG. > > I'm sorry, I
think I didn't make that clear before. :( > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 12:29
PM wrote: > >> Hi Lin, OK, just saved one of the equation docs to RTF and
nada, zip, >> zilch. >> . . the equations were not converted to PNGs. They
remained as equations. >> It's just a simple save to RTF, right? GRR . . .
Tammy Van Boening >> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com >>
www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: Framers >> On
Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: >> Friday, >> August 6, 2021 9:26 AM To: An email
list for people using Adobe >> FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers]
Appearance of graphics in >> the generated PDF Well, that sucks. If it's any
help, when Word >> converts to RTF, the equations are turned into PNGs. It
should be >> possible to save them out separately. I think. Never had to do
>> something like that with Word. Also, you can export images only from >>
the PDF file to PNG, JPEG, JPEG2000, and TIFF formats. >> Again, don't know
if that'll be useful, but I offer it as something >> to consider. On Fri,
Aug 6, 2021 at 11:10 AM wrote: > Hi Lin, Thank >> you for the approach. The
extra rub is that I need to > produce >> another document that uses the
exact same equations but w/out > all >> the text of this current guide >> -
basically, just an appendix of > equations, so I need to be able to >> share
them among multiple files. I > was trying to write once in Word >> and save
to PNG so that I could > obviously import by reference into >> multiple
documents and have just > one location (the Word document) >> where I would
maintain updates. > Compliments of Ric, I have a >> variation of this w/
saving the Word doc > to a PDF, cropping the >> document to get the equation
that I need as a > PDF and importing as >> a PDF. Yes, very tedious, but at
least I can > share among multiple >> files and as w/ your approach, I now
have vector > files for the >> images, not rasterized files, so they remain
crisp and > clear no >> matter the zoom level in the PDF. (So you and Ric
were on the > same >> page- great minds do think alike!) I just wish there
was a way to > >> automate this, but for now, I will plow through unless
someone comes >> > up w/ a different approach. Thank you again! TVB Tammy
Van Boening >> > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > >>
www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -- Lin Sims >>
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread tammyvb

To address a lot of questions in one email: None of these are stupid questions, 
and I don't take any as such. I have to be cognizant of what my SME prefers and 
is comfortable with to maintain and edit the equations, but I need to use 
Framemaker because the manual is a massive technical manual that details all 
the scientific principles behind the equations and it is riddled with other 
graphics, x-references, etc and I need to share the equations with yet another 
manual. . . so that make FM the go to tool for final production. Yes, it's a 
bit of a sticky mess, but it's what I have to work with and I can push only so 
much. If my SME uses an open source editor such as MathType, it appears that I 
can save each equation as a GIF at 150 dpi. . . might be good enough, I am not 
sure but anyway, each equation would have to be its own file to accomplish this 
and that would add extra overhead for my SME. When you save the Word document 
to htm/html, then Windoze assumes (and rightfully so) that you're using the 
content for the Web, so the equations are saved out as PNGs at 96 dpi, which is 
fine for the web, but not for print, and upsampling obviously is not possible. 
So, even though I am importing each PNG, and then printing the book to .ps 
which I send to a watched folder, and then distilling in Distiller w/ custom 
job options, it doesn't make a difference. The PNGs are at 96 dpi and that's 
all I got to work with. I tried to save the Word docx as an .rtf as per Lin 
(because in Avdvanced Settings, you can specify the image resolution that you 
want for images in the Save As function), but the equations are not being saved 
as PNGs in this case as Lin indicated. . . I am sure that it's a 
version-dependent function and my version is Word 2016. I also tried the change 
the name to .zip and extract, but the equations are NOT being recognized as 
media objects w/ this approach so no media folder exists w/ the equations as 
PNGs. Why they are being recognized as such for htm/html conversion but not 
this way, I have no idea. For now, I have a workaround . . . I have saved the 
Word file to a PDF, and I then crop each equation out and save as a PDF and 
then I will import the equation as PDF. At least that way they are vector 
images and not rasterized, and zooming in and out in a PDF doesn't affect them. 
. .crisp and clean no matter the zoom level. But, I am open to any other 
thoughts besides calling it good for Friday and drowning myself in a pitcher of 
margaritas . . hey, it's 11:30 somewhere. TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot 
vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com 
-Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Friday, 
August 6, 2021 11:38 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker 
software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF 
Are there any options you or the SME author can set, which would affect the 
equation editor's HTML output? If so, are there any meaningful improvements? 
Any roads not yet taken? On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, 12:04 PM Fred Ridder wrote: > I 
suspect the answer is that whoever is creating the equations does > not have 
(and does not want to have to pay for and learn how to use) a > FrameMaker 
license. > > But a perhaps less stupid question is whether it's possible and > 
practical to use a free-standing equation editor (e.g., MathType, > MathMagic) 
or a tool that is based on LaTeX (e.g. LyX)? The LaTeX > approach is kind of 
PITA because even the best tools are only WYSIWYM > (what you see is what you 
mean), but most professinals consider the > end result to be the best quality 
available. > > -FR > >  > From: Framers > > on 
behalf of Lin Sims > Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 8:06 AM > To: An email list 
for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > 
Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF > > Probably 
a stupid question, but is there a reason you're creating the > equations in 
Word rather than in Frame's Equation Editor? > > On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 6:32 PM 
wrote: > > > I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations 
> > are being created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation > > 
editor. The .docx file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all > > the 
equations in the document are automatically saved as .pngs in a > > separate 
folder named as image.(n), where n is the image number. I > > double-click an 
equation in > this > > folder to automatically open the equation in my image 
editor (SnagIT > > - I don't need anything as heavy as Photoshop as I am not 
doing any > > modifications to the equations) and save the equation without any 
> > changes to it whatsoever with a new name. I then import the image &

Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread Lin Sims

As another thought, you might try posting to the Word-PC email list and see
if anyone has a suggestion for how to get the equations OUT of Word in a
format you can use?

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 1:45 PM Lin Sims  wrote:

> I saved to RTF and then imported the RTF into FrameMaker. The result in
> FrameMaker was a PNG.
>
> I'm sorry, I think I didn't make that clear before. :(
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 12:29 PM  wrote:
>
>> Hi Lin, OK, just saved one of the equation docs to RTF and nada, zip,
>> zilch.
>> . . the equations were not converted to PNGs. They remained as equations.
>> It's just a simple save to RTF, right? GRR . . . Tammy Van Boening Tammy
>> dot
>> vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com
>> -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent:
>> Friday,
>> August 6, 2021 9:26 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker
>> software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated
>> PDF
>> Well, that sucks. If it's any help, when Word converts to RTF, the
>> equations
>> are turned into PNGs. It should be possible to save them out separately. I
>> think. Never had to do something like that with Word. Also, you can export
>> images only from the PDF file to PNG, JPEG, JPEG2000, and TIFF formats.
>> Again, don't know if that'll be useful, but I offer it as something to
>> consider. On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:10 AM wrote: > Hi Lin, Thank you for
>> the
>> approach. The extra rub is that I need to > produce another document that
>> uses the exact same equations but w/out > all the text of this current
>> guide
>> - basically, just an appendix of > equations, so I need to be able to
>> share
>> them among multiple files. I > was trying to write once in Word and save
>> to
>> PNG so that I could > obviously import by reference into multiple
>> documents
>> and have just > one location (the Word document) where I would maintain
>> updates. > Compliments of Ric, I have a variation of this w/ saving the
>> Word
>> doc > to a PDF, cropping the document to get the equation that I need as
>> a >
>> PDF and importing as a PDF. Yes, very tedious, but at least I can > share
>> among multiple files and as w/ your approach, I now have vector > files
>> for
>> the images, not rasterized files, so they remain crisp and > clear no
>> matter
>> the zoom level in the PDF. (So you and Ric were on the > same page- great
>> minds do think alike!) I just wish there was a way to > automate this, but
>> for now, I will plow through unless someone comes > up w/ a different
>> approach. Thank you again! TVB Tammy Van Boening > Tammy dot vanboening at
>> spectrumwritingllc dot com > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -- Lin Sims
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread Lin Sims

I saved to RTF and then imported the RTF into FrameMaker. The result in
FrameMaker was a PNG.

I'm sorry, I think I didn't make that clear before. :(

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 12:29 PM  wrote:

> Hi Lin, OK, just saved one of the equation docs to RTF and nada, zip,
> zilch.
> . . the equations were not converted to PNGs. They remained as equations.
> It's just a simple save to RTF, right? GRR . . . Tammy Van Boening Tammy
> dot
> vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent:
> Friday,
> August 6, 2021 9:26 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker
> software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated
> PDF
> Well, that sucks. If it's any help, when Word converts to RTF, the
> equations
> are turned into PNGs. It should be possible to save them out separately. I
> think. Never had to do something like that with Word. Also, you can export
> images only from the PDF file to PNG, JPEG, JPEG2000, and TIFF formats.
> Again, don't know if that'll be useful, but I offer it as something to
> consider. On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:10 AM wrote: > Hi Lin, Thank you for
> the
> approach. The extra rub is that I need to > produce another document that
> uses the exact same equations but w/out > all the text of this current
> guide
> - basically, just an appendix of > equations, so I need to be able to share
> them among multiple files. I > was trying to write once in Word and save to
> PNG so that I could > obviously import by reference into multiple documents
> and have just > one location (the Word document) where I would maintain
> updates. > Compliments of Ric, I have a variation of this w/ saving the
> Word
> doc > to a PDF, cropping the document to get the equation that I need as a
> >
> PDF and importing as a PDF. Yes, very tedious, but at least I can > share
> among multiple files and as w/ your approach, I now have vector > files for
> the images, not rasterized files, so they remain crisp and > clear no
> matter
> the zoom level in the PDF. (So you and Ric were on the > same page- great
> minds do think alike!) I just wish there was a way to > automate this, but
> for now, I will plow through unless someone comes > up w/ a different
> approach. Thank you again! TVB Tammy Van Boening > Tammy dot vanboening at
> spectrumwritingllc dot com > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -- Lin Sims
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread Peter Gold

Are there any options you or the SME author can set, which would affect the
equation editor's HTML output? If so, are there any meaningful
improvements? Any roads not yet taken?

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, 12:04 PM Fred Ridder  wrote:

> I suspect the answer is that whoever is creating the equations does not
> have (and does not want to have to pay for and learn how to use) a
> FrameMaker license.
>
> But a perhaps less stupid question is whether it's possible and practical
> to use a free-standing equation editor (e.g., MathType, MathMagic) or a
> tool that is based on LaTeX (e.g. LyX)?  The LaTeX approach is kind of PITA
> because even the best tools are only WYSIWYM (what you see is what you
> mean), but most professinals consider the end result to be the best
> quality available.
>
> -FR
>
> 
> From: Framers 
> on behalf of Lin Sims 
> Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 8:06 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF
>
> Probably a stupid question, but is there a reason you're creating the
> equations in Word rather than in Frame's Equation Editor?
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 6:32 PM  wrote:
>
> > I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations are
> > being
> > created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation editor. The
> > .docx
> > file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the equations in the
> > document are automatically saved as .pngs in a separate folder named as
> > image.(n), where n is the image number.  I double-click an equation in
> this
> > folder to automatically open the equation in my image editor (SnagIT - I
> > don't need anything as heavy as Photoshop as I am not doing any
> > modifications to the equations) and save the equation without any changes
> > to
> > it whatsoever with a new name. I then import the image into Framemaker by
> > reference.   I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I select it for
> > import - any image in the folder that was created during the saving of
> the
> > Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog box
> when
> > I select it for import and although this seems nutty to me (because none
> of
> > the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and crisp in the source
> FM
> > file (The Advanced Properties of any image in SnagIT is also showing a
> > resolution of 96 dpi);  however, upon generation of the PDF, it goes to
> > h*ll
> > in a handbasket. The equation looks almost as if the font is almost bold
> > and
> > therefore much darker than the text in the FM source file, and it's not
> > nearly as crisp and clear as in the source FM document - it actually
> looks
> > blurry/pixelated.
>
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread Art Campbell

What process are you using to create the PDF? And what versions of Frame
and Acrobat?

And what settings? Turning off compressions of graphics, specifying high
quality print in the Acrobat printer, etc.?

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On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 6:32 PM  wrote:

> I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations are
> being
> created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation editor. The
> .docx
> file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the equations in the
> document are automatically saved as .pngs in a separate folder named as
> image.(n), where n is the image number.  I double-click an equation in this
> folder to automatically open the equation in my image editor (SnagIT - I
> don't need anything as heavy as Photoshop as I am not doing any
> modifications to the equations) and save the equation without any changes
> to
> it whatsoever with a new name. I then import the image into Framemaker by
> reference.   I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I select it for
> import - any image in the folder that was created during the saving of the
> Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog box when
> I select it for import and although this seems nutty to me (because none of
> the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and crisp in the source FM
> file (The Advanced Properties of any image in SnagIT is also showing a
> resolution of 96 dpi);  however, upon generation of the PDF, it goes to
> h*ll
> in a handbasket. The equation looks almost as if the font is almost bold
> and
> therefore much darker than the text in the FM source file, and it's not
> nearly as crisp and clear as in the source FM document - it actually looks
> blurry/pixelated.
>
>
>
> Initially, the font that was  being used in the equations is Cambria Math,
> Size 14 with a default color of black without any lightening of the color.
> (The font that is being used in the book is also set to a default color of
> black without any lightening of the color.) I tried lightening the font
> color by different percentages in the Word document and then regenerated
> the
> equations as graphics, and that helps a bit, but overall, these graphics
> are
> just not nearly as crisp as they need to be in the final PDF.  Any other
> graphics that were taken as a capture and then imported by reference as
> PNG
> are as crisp as I am used to in FM.
>
>
>
>
>
> I am just at a loss for how to get this cleared up, but it's absolutely
> mandatory that I get this problem resolved because the whole focus of the
> book is the equations.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts are sincerely appreciated.
>
>
>
> TVB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tammy Van Boening
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread Fred Ridder

I suspect the answer is that whoever is creating the equations does not have 
(and does not want to have to pay for and learn how to use) a FrameMaker 
license.

But a perhaps less stupid question is whether it's possible and practical to 
use a free-standing equation editor (e.g., MathType, MathMagic) or a tool that 
is based on LaTeX (e.g. LyX)?  The LaTeX approach is kind of PITA because even 
the best tools are only WYSIWYM (what you see is what you mean), but most 
professinals consider the end result to be the best quality available.

-FR


From: Framers  on 
behalf of Lin Sims 
Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 8:06 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

Probably a stupid question, but is there a reason you're creating the
equations in Word rather than in Frame's Equation Editor?

On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 6:32 PM  wrote:

> I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations are
> being
> created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation editor. The
> .docx
> file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the equations in the
> document are automatically saved as .pngs in a separate folder named as
> image.(n), where n is the image number.  I double-click an equation in this
> folder to automatically open the equation in my image editor (SnagIT - I
> don't need anything as heavy as Photoshop as I am not doing any
> modifications to the equations) and save the equation without any changes
> to
> it whatsoever with a new name. I then import the image into Framemaker by
> reference.   I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I select it for
> import - any image in the folder that was created during the saving of the
> Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog box when
> I select it for import and although this seems nutty to me (because none of
> the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and crisp in the source FM
> file (The Advanced Properties of any image in SnagIT is also showing a
> resolution of 96 dpi);  however, upon generation of the PDF, it goes to
> h*ll
> in a handbasket. The equation looks almost as if the font is almost bold
> and
> therefore much darker than the text in the FM source file, and it's not
> nearly as crisp and clear as in the source FM document - it actually looks
> blurry/pixelated.

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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread tammyvb

Hi Lin, OK, just saved one of the equation docs to RTF and nada, zip, zilch.
. . the equations were not converted to PNGs. They remained as equations.
It's just a simple save to RTF, right? GRR . . . Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot
vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com
-Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday,
August 6, 2021 9:26 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker
software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF
Well, that sucks. If it's any help, when Word converts to RTF, the equations
are turned into PNGs. It should be possible to save them out separately. I
think. Never had to do something like that with Word. Also, you can export
images only from the PDF file to PNG, JPEG, JPEG2000, and TIFF formats.
Again, don't know if that'll be useful, but I offer it as something to
consider. On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:10 AM wrote: > Hi Lin, Thank you for the
approach. The extra rub is that I need to > produce another document that
uses the exact same equations but w/out > all the text of this current guide
- basically, just an appendix of > equations, so I need to be able to share
them among multiple files. I > was trying to write once in Word and save to
PNG so that I could > obviously import by reference into multiple documents
and have just > one location (the Word document) where I would maintain
updates. > Compliments of Ric, I have a variation of this w/ saving the Word
doc > to a PDF, cropping the document to get the equation that I need as a >
PDF and importing as a PDF. Yes, very tedious, but at least I can > share
among multiple files and as w/ your approach, I now have vector > files for
the images, not rasterized files, so they remain crisp and > clear no matter
the zoom level in the PDF. (So you and Ric were on the > same page- great
minds do think alike!) I just wish there was a way to > automate this, but
for now, I will plow through unless someone comes > up w/ a different
approach. Thank you again! TVB Tammy Van Boening > Tammy dot vanboening at
spectrumwritingllc dot com > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -- Lin Sims
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread tammyvb

Thank you! I will see what this leads to. It is much appreciated. TVB Tammy
Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: Framers On
Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 9:26 AM To: An email list
for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers]
Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF Well, that sucks. If it's any
help, when Word converts to RTF, the equations are turned into PNGs. It
should be possible to save them out separately. I think. Never had to do
something like that with Word. Also, you can export images only from the PDF
file to PNG, JPEG, JPEG2000, and TIFF formats. Again, don't know if that'll
be useful, but I offer it as something to consider. On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at
11:10 AM wrote: > Hi Lin, Thank you for the approach. The extra rub is that
I need to > produce another document that uses the exact same equations but
w/out > all the text of this current guide - basically, just an appendix of
> equations, so I need to be able to share them among multiple files. I >
was trying to write once in Word and save to PNG so that I could > obviously
import by reference into multiple documents and have just > one location
(the Word document) where I would maintain updates. > Compliments of Ric, I
have a variation of this w/ saving the Word doc > to a PDF, cropping the
document to get the equation that I need as a > PDF and importing as a PDF.
Yes, very tedious, but at least I can > share among multiple files and as w/
your approach, I now have vector > files for the images, not rasterized
files, so they remain crisp and > clear no matter the zoom level in the PDF.
(So you and Ric were on the > same page- great minds do think alike!) I just
wish there was a way to > automate this, but for now, I will plow through
unless someone comes > up w/ a different approach. Thank you again! TVB
Tammy Van Boening > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com >
www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -- Lin Sims
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread Lin Sims

Well, that sucks. If it's any help, when Word converts to RTF, the
equations are turned into PNGs. It should be possible to save them out
separately. I think. Never had to do something like that with Word.

Also, you can export images only from the PDF file to PNG, JPEG, JPEG2000,
and TIFF formats. Again, don't know if that'll be useful, but I offer it as
something to consider.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:10 AM  wrote:

> Hi Lin, Thank you for the approach. The extra rub is that I need to produce
> another document that uses the exact same equations but w/out all the text
> of this current guide - basically, just an appendix of equations, so I need
> to be able to share them among multiple files. I was trying to write once
> in
> Word and save to PNG so that I could obviously import by reference into
> multiple documents and have just one location (the Word document) where I
> would maintain updates. Compliments of Ric, I have a variation of this w/
> saving the Word doc to a PDF, cropping the document to get the equation
> that
> I need as a PDF and importing as a PDF. Yes, very tedious, but at least I
> can share among multiple files and as w/ your approach, I now have vector
> files for the images, not rasterized files, so they remain crisp and clear
> no matter the zoom level in the PDF. (So you and Ric were on the same page-
> great minds do think alike!) I just wish there was a way to automate this,
> but for now, I will plow through unless someone comes up w/ a different
> approach. Thank you again! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at
> spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com
>


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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread tammyvb

Hi Simon, I was doing this: The best way to get the 'graphics' from Word is
to save the document as DOCX format, and open the DOCX from ZIP archive
program such as 7-zip. Alternatively, do a File > Save As [or wherever
Microsoft have moved the function], and save the file to HTML format - which
should then give you easy access to the graphics. But, the image quality is
good only for the web at 96 dpi, not for printed material. And in the other
approach of saving to a zip file, the equations are not being recognized as
media objects, so I do not have a media folder that contains them when I
unzip the file. Why the equations are recognized when saving to HTM/HTML as
media, but not w/ the zip approach is beyond me. . . . Thanks! TVB Tammy Van
Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: Simon BUCH Sent:
Friday, August 6, 2021 8:36 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe
FrameMaker software. ; tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com Subject: Re: [Framers]
Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF Hello Tammy, I have seen this
effect before [many years ago with FrameMaker 5.5.6!] where one customer
wanted to insert content from Office, and so did a Copy, and Paste in
FrameMaker.   This resulted in a "Object link embedded" graphic.   With a
range of tests, we determined that you couldn't even use the "graphic" in
WordPad as it suffered exactly the same problem that you see when printing
it from FrameMaker. Microsoft claim that they still support OLE.   If they
do, then they've been supporting it very badly, as they seem to think it
works. The best way to get the 'graphics' from Word is to save the document
as DOCX format, and open the DOCX from ZIP archive program such as 7-zip.
Alternatively, do a File > Save As [or wherever Microsoft have moved the
function], and save the file to HTML format - which should then give you
easy access to the graphics. HTH! On 06/08/2021 15:29,
tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com wrote: > Thanks, but I tried this approach
and the equations are not being > recognized as media/graphics objects.
There is no media folder w/ the > equations as PNGs. I have no idea why they
are being recognized as > media objects for a web export, but not this
approach. The equations > are being rasterized at a quality that is good
enough for the web, but > definitely not for print. I have a workaround that
Ric helped me with > , but it's a long tedious one but at this point, I
don't know if I > have any other options. I will keep taking any and all
thoughts. > Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at >
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread tammyvb

Hi Lin, Thank you for the approach. The extra rub is that I need to produce
another document that uses the exact same equations but w/out all the text
of this current guide - basically, just an appendix of equations, so I need
to be able to share them among multiple files. I was trying to write once in
Word and save to PNG so that I could obviously import by reference into
multiple documents and have just one location (the Word document) where I
would maintain updates. Compliments of Ric, I have a variation of this w/
saving the Word doc to a PDF, cropping the document to get the equation that
I need as a PDF and importing as a PDF. Yes, very tedious, but at least I
can share among multiple files and as w/ your approach, I now have vector
files for the images, not rasterized files, so they remain crisp and clear
no matter the zoom level in the PDF. (So you and Ric were on the same page-
great minds do think alike!) I just wish there was a way to automate this,
but for now, I will plow through unless someone comes up w/ a different
approach. Thank you again! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at
spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original
Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August 6,
2021 8:40 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF Also,
below is what I suggested on the Adobe community, in case you hadn't seen it
yet: Just for giggles, I tried saving a Word file with an equation in it as
an RTF and then using Frame to open the file. The equation came over okay,
and when I save the file to PDF, it looks the same in the PDF file as in the
Frame or Word files. Perhaps what you can do is save the Word file with all
the equations as RTF, then open it in Frame and just copy the relevant
equations into place as you go? You won't be able to update them as they get
imported as PNGs, but they look crisp enough to me. Note: I am using Word
365 and FrameMaker 2020, fully patched. I do not know how or if this will
work in earlier versions, but it surely can't hurt to try. On Fri, Aug 6,
2021 at 10:38 AM Lin Sims wrote: > Ouch. My sympathies. > > On Fri, Aug 6,
2021 at 10:24 AM wrote: > >> I am not the one responsible for creating and
maintaining the equations. >> They are maintained by a SME on the client
side and the SME needs >> them in a tool that he can use which is Word.
Tammy Van Boening Tammy >> dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com >>
www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original >> Message- From: Framers On
Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August >> 6, >> 2021 6:06 AM To: An email
list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. >> Subject: Re: [Framers]
Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF >> Probably a stupid question,
but is there a reason you're creating the >> equations in Word rather than
in Frame's Equation Editor? On Thu, Aug >> 5, 2021 at 6:32 PM >> wrote: > I
have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The >> equations are >
being created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's >> native equation >
editor. The .docx file is then saved as an >> .htm/.html file and all the >
equations in the document are >> automatically saved as .pngs in a >
separate folder named as >> image.(n), where n is the image number. I >
double-click an equation >> in this folder to automatically open the >
equation in my image >> editor (SnagIT - I don't need anything as heavy > as
Photoshop as I >> am not doing any modifications to the equations) and >
save the >> equation without any changes to it whatsoever with a new > name.
I >> then import the image into Framemaker by > reference. I don't mess w/
>> the dpi of the image when I select it for > import - any image in the >>
folder that was created during the saving of > the Word file shows a >> dpi
of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog > box when I select >> it for
import and although this seems nutty to me >> > (because none of the images
are over-sized). . . they look clear >> > and > >> crisp in the source FM
file (The Advanced Properties of any image in >> > SnagIT is also showing a
resolution of 96 dpi); however, upon > >> generation of the PDF, it goes to
h*ll in a handbasket. The equation >> > looks almost as if the font is
almost bold and therefore much >> darker > than the text in the FM source
file, and it's not nearly as >> crisp and > clear as in the source FM
document - it actually looks > >> blurry/pixelated. > > > > Initially, the
font that was being used in >> the equations is Cambria > Math, Size 14 with
a default color of >> black without any lightening of the colo

Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread Lin Sims

Also, below is what I suggested on the Adobe community, in case you hadn't
seen it yet:

Just for giggles, I tried saving a Word file with an equation in it as an
RTF and then using Frame to open the file. The equation came over okay, and
when I save the file to PDF, it looks the same in the PDF file as in the
Frame or Word files.

Perhaps what you can do is save the Word file with all the equations as
RTF, then open it in Frame and just copy the relevant equations into place
as you go? You won't be able to update them as they get imported as PNGs,
but they look crisp enough to me.

Note: I am using Word 365 and FrameMaker 2020, fully patched. I do not know
how or if this will work in earlier versions, but it surely can't hurt to
try.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 10:38 AM Lin Sims  wrote:

> Ouch. My sympathies.
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 10:24 AM  wrote:
>
>> I am not the one responsible for creating and maintaining the equations.
>> They are maintained by a SME on the client side and the SME needs them in
>> a
>> tool that he can use which is Word. Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening
>> at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original
>> Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August 6,
>> 2021 6:06 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF
>> Probably
>> a stupid question, but is there a reason you're creating the equations in
>> Word rather than in Frame's Equation Editor? On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 6:32
>> PM
>> wrote: > I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The
>> equations
>> are > being created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation >
>> editor. The .docx file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the >
>> equations in the document are automatically saved as .pngs in a > separate
>> folder named as image.(n), where n is the image number. I > double-click
>> an
>> equation in this folder to automatically open the > equation in my image
>> editor (SnagIT - I don't need anything as heavy > as Photoshop as I am not
>> doing any modifications to the equations) and > save the equation without
>> any changes to it whatsoever with a new > name. I then import the image
>> into
>> Framemaker by > reference. I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I
>> select it for > import - any image in the folder that was created during
>> the
>> saving of > the Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic
>> Scaling
>> dialog > box when I select it for import and although this seems nutty to
>> me
>> > (because none of the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and >
>> crisp in the source FM file (The Advanced Properties of any image in >
>> SnagIT is also showing a resolution of 96 dpi); however, upon > generation
>> of the PDF, it goes to h*ll in a handbasket. The equation > looks almost
>> as
>> if the font is almost bold and therefore much darker > than the text in
>> the
>> FM source file, and it's not nearly as crisp and > clear as in the source
>> FM
>> document - it actually looks > blurry/pixelated. > > > > Initially, the
>> font
>> that was being used in the equations is Cambria > Math, Size 14 with a
>> default color of black without any lightening of the color. > (The font
>> that
>> is being used in the book is also set to a default > color of black
>> without
>> any lightening of the color.) I tried > lightening the font color by
>> different percentages in the Word > document and then regenerated the
>> equations as graphics, and that > helps a bit, but overall, these graphics
>> are just not nearly as crisp > as they need to be in the final PDF. Any
>> other graphics that were > taken as a capture and then imported by
>> reference
>> as PNG are as crisp > as I am used to in FM. > > > > > > I am just at a
>> loss
>> for how to get this cleared up, but it's > absolutely mandatory that I get
>> this problem resolved because the > whole focus of the book is the
>> equations. > > > > Any thoughts are sincerely appreciated. > > > > TVB >
>> > >
>> > > > > > Tammy Van Boening > > Principal/Owner > > Spectrum Writing, LLC
>> >
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread Lin Sims

Ouch. My sympathies.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 10:24 AM  wrote:

> I am not the one responsible for creating and maintaining the equations.
> They are maintained by a SME on the client side and the SME needs them in a
> tool that he can use which is Word. Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening
> at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original
> Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August 6,
> 2021 6:06 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF Probably
> a stupid question, but is there a reason you're creating the equations in
> Word rather than in Frame's Equation Editor? On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 6:32 PM
> wrote: > I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations
> are > being created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation >
> editor. The .docx file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the >
> equations in the document are automatically saved as .pngs in a > separate
> folder named as image.(n), where n is the image number. I > double-click an
> equation in this folder to automatically open the > equation in my image
> editor (SnagIT - I don't need anything as heavy > as Photoshop as I am not
> doing any modifications to the equations) and > save the equation without
> any changes to it whatsoever with a new > name. I then import the image
> into
> Framemaker by > reference. I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I
> select it for > import - any image in the folder that was created during
> the
> saving of > the Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling
> dialog > box when I select it for import and although this seems nutty to
> me
> > (because none of the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and >
> crisp in the source FM file (The Advanced Properties of any image in >
> SnagIT is also showing a resolution of 96 dpi); however, upon > generation
> of the PDF, it goes to h*ll in a handbasket. The equation > looks almost as
> if the font is almost bold and therefore much darker > than the text in the
> FM source file, and it's not nearly as crisp and > clear as in the source
> FM
> document - it actually looks > blurry/pixelated. > > > > Initially, the
> font
> that was being used in the equations is Cambria > Math, Size 14 with a
> default color of black without any lightening of the color. > (The font
> that
> is being used in the book is also set to a default > color of black without
> any lightening of the color.) I tried > lightening the font color by
> different percentages in the Word > document and then regenerated the
> equations as graphics, and that > helps a bit, but overall, these graphics
> are just not nearly as crisp > as they need to be in the final PDF. Any
> other graphics that were > taken as a capture and then imported by
> reference
> as PNG are as crisp > as I am used to in FM. > > > > > > I am just at a
> loss
> for how to get this cleared up, but it's > absolutely mandatory that I get
> this problem resolved because the > whole focus of the book is the
> equations. > > > > Any thoughts are sincerely appreciated. > > > > TVB > >
> >
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread Simon BUCH


Hello Tammy,

I have seen this effect before [many years ago with FrameMaker 5.5.6!] 
where one customer wanted to insert content from Office, and so did a 
Copy, and Paste in FrameMaker.   This resulted in a "Object link 
embedded" graphic.   With a range of tests, we determined that you 
couldn't even use the "graphic" in WordPad as it suffered exactly the 
same problem that you see when printing it from FrameMaker.


Microsoft claim that they still support OLE.   If they do, then they've 
been supporting it very badly, as they seem to think it works.


The best way to get the 'graphics' from Word is to save the document as 
DOCX format, and open the DOCX from ZIP archive program such as 7-zip.   
Alternatively, do a File > Save As [or wherever Microsoft have moved the 
function], and save the file to HTML format - which should then give you 
easy access to the graphics.


HTH!


On 06/08/2021 15:29, tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com wrote:

Thanks, but I tried this approach and the equations are not being recognized
as media/graphics objects. There is no media folder w/ the equations as
PNGs. I have no idea why they are being recognized as media objects for a
web export, but not this approach. The equations are being rasterized at a
quality that is good enough for the web, but definitely not for print. I
have a workaround that Ric helped me with , but it's a long tedious one but
at this point, I don't know if I have any other options. I will keep taking
any and all thoughts. Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread tammyvb

Thanks, but I tried this approach and the equations are not being recognized
as media/graphics objects. There is no media folder w/ the equations as
PNGs. I have no idea why they are being recognized as media objects for a
web export, but not this approach. The equations are being rasterized at a
quality that is good enough for the web, but definitely not for print. I
have a workaround that Ric helped me with , but it's a long tedious one but
at this point, I don't know if I have any other options. I will keep taking
any and all thoughts. Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at
spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original
Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Caroline Tabach Sent: Thursday,
August 5, 2021 10:59 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker
software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF
Possibly you don't have to save as html. I can't check this right now, but
docx, is itself xml. This is how you can get graphics from a Word docx, by
changing extension to zip Text below is from a text from David Creamer to
this list a few years ago, but I don't remember where I learnt it There are
various tutorials on the web I might suggest a slightly different way of
getting the graphics out of a Word file (works for PowerPoint too)... Make
sure the file is in the .docx format, not .doc (and .pptx, not .ppt) Make a
copy of the file for safety Change the file extension from .docx to .zip
Open the zip file Look for the doc folder (or ppt) Look for the media folder
All the graphics are there--usually in a higher quality than a web export
Give it a try to get your graphics files On Fri, 6 Aug 2021, 01:32 , wrote:
> I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations are >
being created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation > editor.
The .docx file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the > equations
in the document are automatically saved as .pngs in a > separate folder
named as image.(n), where n is the image number. I > double-click an
equation in this folder to automatically open the > equation in my image
editor (SnagIT - I don't need anything as heavy > as Photoshop as I am not
doing any modifications to the equations) and > save the equation without
any changes to it whatsoever with a new > name. I then import the image into
Framemaker by > reference. I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I
select it for > import - any image in the folder that was created during the
saving of > the Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling
dialog > box when I select it for import and although this seems nutty to me
> (because none of the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and >
crisp in the source FM file (The Advanced Properties of any image in >
SnagIT is also showing a resolution of 96 dpi); however, upon > generation
of the PDF, it goes to h*ll in a handbasket. The equation > looks almost as
if the font is almost bold and therefore much darker > than the text in the
FM source file, and it's not nearly as crisp and > clear as in the source FM
document - it actually looks > blurry/pixelated. > > > > Initially, the font
that was being used in the equations is Cambria > Math, Size 14 with a
default color of black without any lightening of the color. > (The font that
is being used in the book is also set to a default > color of black without
any lightening of the color.) I tried > lightening the font color by
different percentages in the Word > document and then regenerated the
equations as graphics, and that > helps a bit, but overall, these graphics
are just not nearly as crisp > as they need to be in the final PDF. Any
other graphics that were > taken as a capture and then imported by reference
as PNG are as crisp > as I am used to in FM. > > > > > > I am just at a loss
for how to get this cleared up, but it's > absolutely mandatory that I get
this problem resolved because the > whole focus of the book is the
equations. > > > > Any thoughts are sincerely appreciated. > > > > TVB > > >
> > > > > Tammy Van Boening > > Principal/Owner > > Spectrum Writing, LLC >
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com > > 303-840-1755 > > > > > _ > > > < >
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread tammyvb

And not a stupid one- it's totally valid. - Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot 
vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com 
-Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, 
August 6, 2021 6:06 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker 
software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF 
Probably a stupid question, but is there a reason you're creating the equations 
in Word rather than in Frame's Equation Editor? On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 6:32 PM 
wrote: > I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations are 
> being created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation > editor. 
The .docx file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the > equations in 
the document are automatically saved as .pngs in a > separate folder named as 
image.(n), where n is the image number. I > double-click an equation in this 
folder to automatically open the > equation in my image editor (SnagIT - I 
don't need anything as heavy > as Photoshop as I am not doing any modifications 
to the equations) and > save the equation without any changes to it whatsoever 
with a new > name. I then import the image into Framemaker by > reference. I 
don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I select it for > import - any image in 
the folder that was created during the saving of > the Word file shows a dpi of 
96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog > box when I select it for import and 
although this seems nutty to me > (because none of the images are over-sized). 
. . they look clear and > crisp in the source FM file (The Advanced Properties 
of any image in > SnagIT is also showing a resolution of 96 dpi); however, upon 
> generation of the PDF, it goes to h*ll in a handbasket. The equation > looks 
almost as if the font is almost bold and therefore much darker > than the text 
in the FM source file, and it's not nearly as crisp and > clear as in the 
source FM document - it actually looks > blurry/pixelated. > > > > Initially, 
the font that was being used in the equations is Cambria > Math, Size 14 with a 
default color of black without any lightening of the color. > (The font that is 
being used in the book is also set to a default > color of black without any 
lightening of the color.) I tried > lightening the font color by different 
percentages in the Word > document and then regenerated the equations as 
graphics, and that > helps a bit, but overall, these graphics are just not 
nearly as crisp > as they need to be in the final PDF. Any other graphics that 
were > taken as a capture and then imported by reference as PNG are as crisp > 
as I am used to in FM. > > > > > > I am just at a loss for how to get this 
cleared up, but it's > absolutely mandatory that I get this problem resolved 
because the > whole focus of the book is the equations. > > > > Any thoughts 
are sincerely appreciated. > > > > TVB > > > > > > > > Tammy Van Boening > > 
Principal/Owner > > Spectrum Writing, LLC > > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > > 
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread tammyvb

I am not the one responsible for creating and maintaining the equations.
They are maintained by a SME on the client side and the SME needs them in a
tool that he can use which is Word. Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening
at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original
Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August 6,
2021 6:06 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF Probably
a stupid question, but is there a reason you're creating the equations in
Word rather than in Frame's Equation Editor? On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 6:32 PM
wrote: > I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations
are > being created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation >
editor. The .docx file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the >
equations in the document are automatically saved as .pngs in a > separate
folder named as image.(n), where n is the image number. I > double-click an
equation in this folder to automatically open the > equation in my image
editor (SnagIT - I don't need anything as heavy > as Photoshop as I am not
doing any modifications to the equations) and > save the equation without
any changes to it whatsoever with a new > name. I then import the image into
Framemaker by > reference. I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I
select it for > import - any image in the folder that was created during the
saving of > the Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling
dialog > box when I select it for import and although this seems nutty to me
> (because none of the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and >
crisp in the source FM file (The Advanced Properties of any image in >
SnagIT is also showing a resolution of 96 dpi); however, upon > generation
of the PDF, it goes to h*ll in a handbasket. The equation > looks almost as
if the font is almost bold and therefore much darker > than the text in the
FM source file, and it's not nearly as crisp and > clear as in the source FM
document - it actually looks > blurry/pixelated. > > > > Initially, the font
that was being used in the equations is Cambria > Math, Size 14 with a
default color of black without any lightening of the color. > (The font that
is being used in the book is also set to a default > color of black without
any lightening of the color.) I tried > lightening the font color by
different percentages in the Word > document and then regenerated the
equations as graphics, and that > helps a bit, but overall, these graphics
are just not nearly as crisp > as they need to be in the final PDF. Any
other graphics that were > taken as a capture and then imported by reference
as PNG are as crisp > as I am used to in FM. > > > > > > I am just at a loss
for how to get this cleared up, but it's > absolutely mandatory that I get
this problem resolved because the > whole focus of the book is the
equations. > > > > Any thoughts are sincerely appreciated. > > > > TVB > > >
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread Lin Sims

Probably a stupid question, but is there a reason you're creating the
equations in Word rather than in Frame's Equation Editor?

On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 6:32 PM  wrote:

> I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations are
> being
> created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation editor. The
> .docx
> file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the equations in the
> document are automatically saved as .pngs in a separate folder named as
> image.(n), where n is the image number.  I double-click an equation in this
> folder to automatically open the equation in my image editor (SnagIT - I
> don't need anything as heavy as Photoshop as I am not doing any
> modifications to the equations) and save the equation without any changes
> to
> it whatsoever with a new name. I then import the image into Framemaker by
> reference.   I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I select it for
> import - any image in the folder that was created during the saving of the
> Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog box when
> I select it for import and although this seems nutty to me (because none of
> the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and crisp in the source FM
> file (The Advanced Properties of any image in SnagIT is also showing a
> resolution of 96 dpi);  however, upon generation of the PDF, it goes to
> h*ll
> in a handbasket. The equation looks almost as if the font is almost bold
> and
> therefore much darker than the text in the FM source file, and it's not
> nearly as crisp and clear as in the source FM document - it actually looks
> blurry/pixelated.
>
>
>
> Initially, the font that was  being used in the equations is Cambria Math,
> Size 14 with a default color of black without any lightening of the color.
> (The font that is being used in the book is also set to a default color of
> black without any lightening of the color.) I tried lightening the font
> color by different percentages in the Word document and then regenerated
> the
> equations as graphics, and that helps a bit, but overall, these graphics
> are
> just not nearly as crisp as they need to be in the final PDF.  Any other
> graphics that were taken as a capture and then imported by reference as
> PNG
> are as crisp as I am used to in FM.
>
>
>
>
>
> I am just at a loss for how to get this cleared up, but it's absolutely
> mandatory that I get this problem resolved because the whole focus of the
> book is the equations.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts are sincerely appreciated.
>
>
>
> TVB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tammy Van Boening
>
> Principal/Owner
>
> Spectrum Writing, LLC
>
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com 
>
> 303-840-1755
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-06 Thread Simon BUCH


Hello,

How are you making the PDF?
Using File > Print, and sending the print job to the Adobe PDF printer?

I would first of all check the Adobe PDF print options.   The 'standard' 
settings will often downsample monochome, gray scale, and colour 
graphics to unacceptable quality.   Then remember that with Windows 
printer drivers, you not only have to configure the "Printing 
preferences", but you also *must* configure the "Advanced" 'Printing 
Defaults', usually with the same parameters.



I suspect that Word has stored the equations as 24 bit colour, which the 
Acrobat Distiller process is then mutating.

For most purposes, 8 bit gray scale is usually sufficient.


/// Simon BUCH


On 05/08/2021 23:32, tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com wrote:

I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations are being
created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation editor. The .docx
file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the equations in the
document are automatically saved as .pngs in a separate folder named as
image.(n), where n is the image number.  I double-click an equation in this
folder to automatically open the equation in my image editor (SnagIT - I
don't need anything as heavy as Photoshop as I am not doing any
modifications to the equations) and save the equation without any changes to
it whatsoever with a new name. I then import the image into Framemaker by
reference.   I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I select it for
import - any image in the folder that was created during the saving of the
Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog box when
I select it for import and although this seems nutty to me (because none of
the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and crisp in the source FM
file (The Advanced Properties of any image in SnagIT is also showing a
resolution of 96 dpi);  however, upon generation of the PDF, it goes to h*ll
in a handbasket. The equation looks almost as if the font is almost bold and
therefore much darker than the text in the FM source file, and it's not
nearly as crisp and clear as in the source FM document - it actually looks
blurry/pixelated.

  


Initially, the font that was  being used in the equations is Cambria Math,
Size 14 with a default color of black without any lightening of the color.
(The font that is being used in the book is also set to a default color of
black without any lightening of the color.) I tried lightening the font
color by different percentages in the Word document and then regenerated the
equations as graphics, and that helps a bit, but overall, these graphics are
just not nearly as crisp as they need to be in the final PDF.  Any other
graphics that were taken as a capture and then imported by reference as  PNG
are as crisp as I am used to in FM.

  

  


I am just at a loss for how to get this cleared up, but it's absolutely
mandatory that I get this problem resolved because the whole focus of the
book is the equations.

  


Any thoughts are sincerely appreciated.

  


TVB

  

  

  


Tammy Van Boening

Principal/Owner

Spectrum Writing, LLC

www.spectrumwritingllc.com 

303-840-1755

  



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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-05 Thread Caroline Tabach

Possibly you don't have to save as html.

I can't check this right now, but docx, is itself xml.

This is how you can get graphics from a Word docx,  by changing extension
to zip

Text below is from a text from David Creamer to this list a few years ago,
but I don't remember where I learnt it

There are various tutorials on the web

I might suggest a slightly different way of getting the graphics out of a
Word file (works for PowerPoint too)...

Make sure the file is in the .docx format, not .doc (and .pptx, not .ppt)
Make a copy of the file for safety
Change the file extension from .docx to .zip
Open the zip file
Look for the doc folder (or ppt)
Look for the media folder
All the graphics are there--usually in a higher quality than a web export

Give it a try to get your graphics files


On Fri, 6 Aug 2021, 01:32 ,  wrote:

> I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations are
> being
> created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation editor. The
> .docx
> file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the equations in the
> document are automatically saved as .pngs in a separate folder named as
> image.(n), where n is the image number.  I double-click an equation in this
> folder to automatically open the equation in my image editor (SnagIT - I
> don't need anything as heavy as Photoshop as I am not doing any
> modifications to the equations) and save the equation without any changes
> to
> it whatsoever with a new name. I then import the image into Framemaker by
> reference.   I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I select it for
> import - any image in the folder that was created during the saving of the
> Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog box when
> I select it for import and although this seems nutty to me (because none of
> the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and crisp in the source FM
> file (The Advanced Properties of any image in SnagIT is also showing a
> resolution of 96 dpi);  however, upon generation of the PDF, it goes to
> h*ll
> in a handbasket. The equation looks almost as if the font is almost bold
> and
> therefore much darker than the text in the FM source file, and it's not
> nearly as crisp and clear as in the source FM document - it actually looks
> blurry/pixelated.
>
>
>
> Initially, the font that was  being used in the equations is Cambria Math,
> Size 14 with a default color of black without any lightening of the color.
> (The font that is being used in the book is also set to a default color of
> black without any lightening of the color.) I tried lightening the font
> color by different percentages in the Word document and then regenerated
> the
> equations as graphics, and that helps a bit, but overall, these graphics
> are
> just not nearly as crisp as they need to be in the final PDF.  Any other
> graphics that were taken as a capture and then imported by reference as
> PNG
> are as crisp as I am used to in FM.
>
>
>
>
>
> I am just at a loss for how to get this cleared up, but it's absolutely
> mandatory that I get this problem resolved because the whole focus of the
> book is the equations.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts are sincerely appreciated.
>
>
>
> TVB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tammy Van Boening
>
> Principal/Owner
>
> Spectrum Writing, LLC
>
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com 
>
> 303-840-1755
>
>
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-05 Thread Peter Gold

On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 7:30 PM tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com <
tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:

> Hi Lise,
>
> I won’t bore you with all the details, but unfortunately, a screen grab
> direct from the Word doc is not an option.
>
> Thanks for replying. . . Believe me, it just helps to know that someone is
> trying for me
>
> Sent from my iPhone. Pardon the typos.
>
> > On Aug 5, 2021, at 5:42 PM, Lise Bible  wrote:
> >
> > Tammy, that sounds hair-tearingly-out frustrating!
>

Obviously, anyone who could coin and use a term like"hair-tearingly-out
frustrating" can imagine creative ways to solve problems that may not have
solutions.  ;) Thanks for the attempt, Lise!

I remember my small company's CEO commenting after a few of us brought him
a messy problem to sort out, "Hmmm... Too many handoffs! See if fixing that
solves it." So, I’m looking at the transformations from Word's equation
editor to HTML to PNG to PDF via FM, and wondering if somewhere along the
line there are opportunities to control the fonts. Seems like opportunities
for rounding errors to affect line widths of recalculated fonts. Perhaps
specifying a different original font size, weight, or foundry, or a
different HTML conversion tool or method might make a difference.

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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-05 Thread tammyvb spectrumwritingllc . com

Hi Lise,

I won’t bore you with all the details, but unfortunately, a screen grab direct 
from the Word doc is not an option.

Thanks for replying. . . Believe me, it just helps to know that someone is 
trying for me

Sent from my iPhone. Pardon the typos.

> On Aug 5, 2021, at 5:42 PM, Lise Bible  wrote:
> 
> Tammy, that sounds hair-tearingly-out frustrating!
> I don't have any brilliant technical clues to help you, but would it be
> just as fast (e.g., slow) to use Snag-It to capture the equation in Word
> when it's on-screen, and save that?
> If you're already opening the exported images from Word in Snag-it, would
> that save a step?
> Or does that not result in any great advantage or better resolution? I
> don't have Snag-it on this computer so I don't know what the image
> resolution options are when capturing.
> 
> Good luck!
> Lise
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 5:32 PM  wrote:
>> 
>> I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations are
>> being
>> created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation editor. The
>> .docx
>> file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the equations in the
>> document are automatically saved as .pngs in a separate folder named as
>> image.(n), where n is the image number.  I double-click an equation in this
>> folder to automatically open the equation in my image editor (SnagIT - I
>> don't need anything as heavy as Photoshop as I am not doing any
>> modifications to the equations) and save the equation without any changes
>> to
>> it whatsoever with a new name. I then import the image into Framemaker by
>> reference.   I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I select it for
>> import - any image in the folder that was created during the saving of the
>> Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog box when
>> I select it for import and although this seems nutty to me (because none of
>> the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and crisp in the source FM
>> file (The Advanced Properties of any image in SnagIT is also showing a
>> resolution of 96 dpi);  however, upon generation of the PDF, it goes to
>> h*ll
>> in a handbasket. The equation looks almost as if the font is almost bold
>> and
>> therefore much darker than the text in the FM source file, and it's not
>> nearly as crisp and clear as in the source FM document - it actually looks
>> blurry/pixelated.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Initially, the font that was  being used in the equations is Cambria Math,
>> Size 14 with a default color of black without any lightening of the color.
>> (The font that is being used in the book is also set to a default color of
>> black without any lightening of the color.) I tried lightening the font
>> color by different percentages in the Word document and then regenerated
>> the
>> equations as graphics, and that helps a bit, but overall, these graphics
>> are
>> just not nearly as crisp as they need to be in the final PDF.  Any other
>> graphics that were taken as a capture and then imported by reference as
>> PNG
>> are as crisp as I am used to in FM.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I am just at a loss for how to get this cleared up, but it's absolutely
>> mandatory that I get this problem resolved because the whole focus of the
>> book is the equations.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Any thoughts are sincerely appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> TVB
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tammy Van Boening
>> 
>> Principal/Owner
>> 
>> Spectrum Writing, LLC
>> 
>> www.spectrumwritingllc.com 
>> 
>> 303-840-1755
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

2021-08-05 Thread Lise Bible

Tammy, that sounds hair-tearingly-out frustrating!
I don't have any brilliant technical clues to help you, but would it be
just as fast (e.g., slow) to use Snag-It to capture the equation in Word
when it's on-screen, and save that?
If you're already opening the exported images from Word in Snag-it, would
that save a step?
Or does that not result in any great advantage or better resolution? I
don't have Snag-it on this computer so I don't know what the image
resolution options are when capturing.

Good luck!
Lise

On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 5:32 PM  wrote:

> I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations are
> being
> created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation editor. The
> .docx
> file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the equations in the
> document are automatically saved as .pngs in a separate folder named as
> image.(n), where n is the image number.  I double-click an equation in this
> folder to automatically open the equation in my image editor (SnagIT - I
> don't need anything as heavy as Photoshop as I am not doing any
> modifications to the equations) and save the equation without any changes
> to
> it whatsoever with a new name. I then import the image into Framemaker by
> reference.   I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I select it for
> import - any image in the folder that was created during the saving of the
> Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog box when
> I select it for import and although this seems nutty to me (because none of
> the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and crisp in the source FM
> file (The Advanced Properties of any image in SnagIT is also showing a
> resolution of 96 dpi);  however, upon generation of the PDF, it goes to
> h*ll
> in a handbasket. The equation looks almost as if the font is almost bold
> and
> therefore much darker than the text in the FM source file, and it's not
> nearly as crisp and clear as in the source FM document - it actually looks
> blurry/pixelated.
>
>
>
> Initially, the font that was  being used in the equations is Cambria Math,
> Size 14 with a default color of black without any lightening of the color.
> (The font that is being used in the book is also set to a default color of
> black without any lightening of the color.) I tried lightening the font
> color by different percentages in the Word document and then regenerated
> the
> equations as graphics, and that helps a bit, but overall, these graphics
> are
> just not nearly as crisp as they need to be in the final PDF.  Any other
> graphics that were taken as a capture and then imported by reference as
> PNG
> are as crisp as I am used to in FM.
>
>
>
>
>
> I am just at a loss for how to get this cleared up, but it's absolutely
> mandatory that I get this problem resolved because the whole focus of the
> book is the equations.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts are sincerely appreciated.
>
>
>
> TVB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tammy Van Boening
>
> Principal/Owner
>
> Spectrum Writing, LLC
>
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com 
>
> 303-840-1755
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